My heart is touched when I see him pulls out the tissue from his pocket and weakly wipe his nose. The man kept talking from young until his hands tremble, to "set man absolutely and unconditionally free".
truly. JK is in a league of his own. he had no dogmas to propagate, perhaps that's what people were looking for - another "new" set of dogmas to contradict the existing one and so they could take sides and feel intellectually superior. instead, he asked them over and over again - why do you NEED DOGMA? question everything you think you know. knowledge is actually very subjective. before earth was sphere, knowledge dictated earth was flat. his passion to set man free from the prison man can't even (bear to) see. i love JK and all he did for us. it is because he was there that we are here now.
Krishnamurti's words in this talk are very close to No-self and Mindfulness in Buddhism. We usually don't have mindfulness when chasing something but only by the momentum of tradition and shape.
One's gotta raise their level of spiritual understanding SO high, in order to understand this extraordinary teaching of an extraordinary man!! What a great teacher - truly the Buddha of our time!
No this is incorrect. Can we be simple enough and ask the most fundamental question…”why?” We may be afraid of the answer. We may know what we want and then becuse we may have to make a big change in our life we reject the solution. We are afraid. To ask questions is to face the fears of what we do not want to see, even tho we must see it.
I have read Krishnamurti's books since I was 13 (16 years until now), but I've never understood him totally though I learned tons of things from him. Those lessons made my life better and more deeply.
Profound teaching. Our senses are the door to the world outside.we make meaning of our surroundings..sight,smell,touch,sound through our ears,eyes ,skin etc.,These concious processes evokes neutral sensations which in that very second turns to good or bad sensations ..creating craving and aversion..both creating a desire to be or not to be..to embrace that feeling or to throw it away....some pleasant sensations create a strong attachment while others create a strong repulsion....our past conditionings decides the nature of those sensations in our mind. Here K is hinting at mindfully obseving these sensations as they evoke a reaction of craving or aversion. The trick is not to deny these sensations but rather be aware of them as they evoke a response in our mind...of anger ,lust,love,hate etc.This mindful awareness of sensations being the real reason of our reactions will create a meaningful understanding that the object outside that made me react is not the true reason for my reaction but it is the sensation that arose in my mind and their interpretation by my mind.And this discovery of sensations and it impermanent nature ..is the key to end suffering. All my thanks to K.
1. Memories/Experiences/Conditionings give birth to thoughts 2. Thoughts give birth to sensations 3. Sensations give birth to desires 4. Desires give birth to motives To be without motives, we need to be attentive towards it. To be attentive towards motive, we need to be aware of our conditionings .
He didnt say not to have motives. He said understand motives. When you wake up in the morning and brush your teeth There is a motive that you need oral hygiene. UNDERSTANDING THIS MAN IS NOT EVERYBODY'S CUP OF TEA. 😅
I thought only doing something had motive thats why i abandoned action, and avoided responsibility. Not doing it is also a motive, we all have motives conscious or subconscious, seeing the motive is the real deal. Burning it in awareness is the thing
K is like The old man at the top of the mountain. People from all over the world make the dangerous climb just to ask the wise man their most burning and complex questions. After listening, K smiles and says “What a silly question. Why are you asking K? Why must you depend on another at all? Go back and find out for yourself. Only then will you have your answer.”
@Al Gonzales In Christianity, we're taught to follow the Spirit and not the flesh. Fasting is a method to teach our own soul (mind, will, emotions) to not automatically respond to our flesh...instead our mind is to give priority to the spirit (which is communicating and open to the Holy Spirit, God). My Christian Bible college teacher teaches just what this wise man teaches. Motive (even desire as sin) is birthed first in the mind. Wisdom is wisdom across all religions.
@@betsybarnicle8016 the problem with them is no one can find those wisdoms, I mean assume that I believe in what you said and start the path of Christianity, the day I start it, I will find so many contradiction and stories and complex ideas and different sub religions and different form of Christianity in different cultures, different people everyone saying different things. I will be lost in no time unless I know the truth before I enter them, which means entering them not necessary if I know the truth I know it, and if I don't then searching through billions of ideas in Christianity only confuse me more
No motives can be a fact. To play with words is not wanting to see beyond them. Living is fuelled by motives, to understand the structure and the formations of such motives creates the energy to go beyond them. If one see that ones life is mostly self centered, and really see it then something starts to change sponstaneously.
@@BoomerStories There really are no motives, there is only human behavior that was formed out of what we call the mind. All word that bare no meaning but to the one who in turn wants something in return hence a motive. There is no energy cause the YOU can not see or feel it without the knowledge that has been passed on through culture. Since the beginning of MAN, MAN has been trying to produce the ideal man and all has lead to more and more problems/issues. The fact there is a thought to try an understand a motive will create more issues which is a motive.
@@MikenNinginThai If you have no problem looking at words, motives will also be no problem. The issues are created by the mind only and its ilusions. Thought is the creator of words, and so the focal point. The mind is self sustained by the movmenet of thought and desire that shape human behavior in an interconected interplay. Motives are there...but i also see that there is action also without motive and that also creates and uses energy ;)
Double2Seven Yep all things are created by the mind and the mind has created culture and the words we are both using here. Anything created by the mind is destructive. Wanting, thinking, etc are all one in the same :)
@@MikenNinginThai I agree with you but i dont think all things created by the mind are destructive...like a hammer can be used to build and to kill. The action itself makes all the difference ;) The only problem with thinking lies on the fuel, desire and fear ;)
This teachings are very subtle, you can't simply say OK he say have no motive then I will have no motive to learn or do sth about life or other stuffs No motivation simply means to be "Servant", a servant doesn't have a direction, everything the master say he will obey but the question is who is your master? if you have no motive but you still have desires, you become servant to your desires ( some form of animalistic sensual life ) If you have no motives and you have feelings of lost life, you will be slave to your past ( what one call depression) If you have no motives and you are in an abusive environment ( e.g a bad husband) then you become servant to e. g your husband If you have no motives and you live in a religious society, you become slave to religion If you have no motives and e.g you are 40yrs old you will be servant to your karma, I mean if you have 4 children, you still have to make money and feed them! I think it probably only works when you have no motives and recognize all sorts of "master" and slavery mechanics in the world from material to spiritual and you ignore them and stop them from putting a chain on your neck and moves you around or else you will be a not motivated being with a chain on his neck, pushing around!!
@fynes leigh sorry for the late answer. ego can be described as your self. the thing that u describe as yourself is the ego. unless an until u get rid of your self u cannot be motiveless which implies that motive is a product of your own self. so only a self realized being can be free of egoistic motive. this topic cannot be explained better than this because english is crippled language. learn sanskrit to understand better from vedas. namaskar n blessings from INDIA ..............
@fynes leigh i can understand yur confusion. but sadly this concept cannot be understood by any measure of discussion or intellectual circus. there is no battle (both internal n external) which will yield the understanding of ego or I, as u say, as a result. the more early u understand this, the more closer u will be to your self. n ultimately u will understand that actually there is no difference between yourself n anybody else. all this what i say please dont believe rather try to realize it. but again to realize it u need the proper environment (both internal n external) which i will pray that u get soon.....
For this and any other extracts, you can look it up yourself by searching for the full talk using the information in the video description. In this case, simply search for 'Saanen 1984 Q&A 3' either directly on TH-cam or Google. If you learn this method you won't need to ask for the link again. Hope this helps.
Isn't hunger a desire ? Or having food when hungry is motiveless .. So we can't live without motive.. It's v basis of our lives .. So then how to not be selfish about my sandwich ? Can I be enlightened and selfish at the same time -_-
I've imagined this: What if I were able to live without needing to ever eat or drink? Just remove those two motives in life. Life would drastically change. Life in heaven, where it's said that all our needs will be met (no need for food or shelter or conserving physical energy or health), what will be our desire or motive. A Christian is taught that our purpose and desire then is to worship God. God is love. Our existence will be for love...of God and fellow beings and other creatures. And we will learn, endless learning and wonder.
My heart is touched when I see him pulls out the tissue from his pocket and weakly wipe his nose. The man kept talking from young until his hands tremble, to "set man absolutely and unconditionally free".
Why?
truly. JK is in a league of his own. he had no dogmas to propagate, perhaps that's what people were looking for - another "new" set of dogmas to contradict the existing one and so they could take sides and feel intellectually superior. instead, he asked them over and over again - why do you NEED DOGMA? question everything you think you know. knowledge is actually very subjective. before earth was sphere, knowledge dictated earth was flat.
his passion to set man free from the prison man can't even (bear to) see. i love JK and all he did for us. it is because he was there that we are here now.
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Yes
Krishnamurti's words in this talk are very close to No-self and Mindfulness in Buddhism. We usually don't have mindfulness when chasing something but only by the momentum of tradition and shape.
One's gotta raise their level of spiritual understanding SO high, in order to understand this extraordinary teaching of an extraordinary man!! What a great teacher - truly the Buddha of our time!
No
@@rajatsingh4553 please explain. You can't just say "no".
It’s not a spiritual understanding, infact krishnamurti never said that so perhaps you heard nothing
No this is incorrect. Can we be simple enough and ask the most fundamental question…”why?”
We may be afraid of the answer. We may know what we want and then becuse we may have to make a big change in our life we reject the solution. We are afraid.
To ask questions is to face the fears of what we do not want to see, even tho we must see it.
JK is such a great teacher. Will remain relevant at any age.
That's what I felt too!
Thank you very much JK foundation....
I have read Krishnamurti's books since I was 13 (16 years until now), but I've never understood him totally though I learned tons of things from him. Those lessons made my life better and more deeply.
Where there is attention you don't have to have motive. *Mic drop*
~just Jiddu things 🕊️🙏💛
Was not this your motive to listen him? Dont you have motives when you go to job? Dont you brush with motive in the morning???
@@Searcherpqpqpq yes, whats problem in that ?
Kevin has some time. You'll get there. No worries!
Thank you dear K. Your words touch the heart ❤
Thank you so much, this came at the right time. I am free from something that kept me stucked. I get it now. Blessings!❤
Profound teaching.
Our senses are the door to the world outside.we make meaning of our surroundings..sight,smell,touch,sound through our ears,eyes ,skin etc.,These concious processes evokes neutral sensations which in that very second turns to good or bad sensations ..creating craving and aversion..both creating a desire to be or not to be..to embrace that feeling or to throw it away....some pleasant sensations create a strong attachment while others create a strong repulsion....our past conditionings decides the nature of those sensations in our mind.
Here K is hinting at mindfully obseving these sensations as they evoke a reaction of craving or aversion. The trick is not to deny these sensations but rather be aware of them as they evoke a response in our mind...of anger ,lust,love,hate etc.This mindful awareness of sensations being the real reason of our reactions will create a meaningful understanding that the object outside that made me react is not the true reason for my reaction but it is the sensation that arose in my mind and their interpretation by my mind.And this discovery of sensations and it impermanent nature ..is the key to end suffering.
All my thanks to K.
He is so original, period.
Freedom from the known, the human meaning bundles of thoughts memorys, it's true.thanks j.k🌺💐
I am listening JK for sometime, I must tell I am not fully understand his discussions, but I do have insights in some the talks
1. Memories/Experiences/Conditionings give birth to thoughts
2. Thoughts give birth to sensations
3. Sensations give birth to desires
4. Desires give birth to motives
To be without motives, we need to be attentive towards it. To be attentive towards motive, we need to be aware of our conditionings .
He didnt say not to have motives. He said understand motives. When you wake up in the morning and brush your teeth There is a motive that you need oral hygiene.
UNDERSTANDING THIS MAN IS NOT EVERYBODY'S CUP OF TEA. 😅
To be without motives is also a motive . You need to understand motives to be free from them
Such a great teacher. Thank you.
Yes, the most usefull channel on YT :)
Thanks for Him🤗
I am speechless 😳 never heard such talk
so simple yet so profound
Thanks KFT
I thought only doing something had motive thats why i abandoned action, and avoided responsibility. Not doing it is also a motive, we all have motives conscious or subconscious, seeing the motive is the real deal. Burning it in awareness is the thing
Yeah seems to be the only way is just to be aware when you really look at it. Then maybe it is seen where and how motives arise.
If you see deeply we are nothing but motives driven by circumstances.
Wow, what an ending! Such a great teacher!
Yoda.
Beautiful
Incredible sage
Thank you.
Thank you!
K is like The old man at the top of the mountain. People from all over the world make the dangerous climb just to ask the wise man their most burning and complex questions. After listening, K smiles and says “What a silly question. Why are you asking K? Why must you depend on another at all? Go back and find out for yourself. Only then will you have your answer.”
Such a humble person A GoDMAN
so enjoy his feeling
"Thought causes to all problem"
10:00 on Thought giving sensation to the Desire with an image of you possessing it.
Brilliant!
The ending words are excellent
We all have, at least subconscious, motives. Even natural instinct is a motive.
@Al Gonzales Very good reply. Thank you.
James Ryan yes. That observation in itself shines a light on the whole thing. Have a great day!
@Al Gonzales In Christianity, we're taught to follow the Spirit and not the flesh. Fasting is a method to teach our own soul (mind, will, emotions) to not automatically respond to our flesh...instead our mind is to give priority to the spirit (which is communicating and open to the Holy Spirit, God).
My Christian Bible college teacher teaches just what this wise man teaches. Motive (even desire as sin) is birthed first in the mind. Wisdom is wisdom across all religions.
Just observe everything. Inward and outward. Then see what happens.
@@betsybarnicle8016 the problem with them is no one can find those wisdoms, I mean assume that I believe in what you said and start the path of Christianity, the day I start it, I will find so many contradiction and stories and complex ideas and different sub religions and different form of Christianity in different cultures, different people everyone saying different things.
I will be lost in no time unless I know the truth before I enter them, which means entering them not necessary if I know the truth I know it, and if I don't then searching through billions of ideas in Christianity only confuse me more
K: "The beauty is there where "you"("I") is not".
I love you❤ ❣️❤
14:50 so funny xD
Speaker asking question and answering it in same second
Whaatta man
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Thx
*no motive is itself a motive*
No motives can be a fact. To play with words is not wanting to see beyond them. Living is fuelled by motives, to understand the structure and the formations of such motives creates the energy to go beyond them. If one see that ones life is mostly self centered, and really see it then something starts to change sponstaneously.
@@BoomerStories There really are no motives, there is only human behavior that was formed out of what we call the mind. All word that bare no meaning but to the one who in turn wants something in return hence a motive. There is no energy cause the YOU can not see or feel it without the knowledge that has been passed on through culture. Since the beginning of MAN, MAN has been trying to produce the ideal man and all has lead to more and more problems/issues. The fact there is a thought to try an understand a motive will create more issues which is a motive.
@@MikenNinginThai If you have no problem looking at words, motives will also be no problem. The issues are created by the mind only and its ilusions. Thought is the creator of words, and so the focal point. The mind is self sustained by the movmenet of thought and desire that shape human behavior in an interconected interplay. Motives are there...but i also see that there is action also without motive and that also creates and uses energy ;)
Double2Seven Yep all things are created by the mind and the mind has created culture and the words we are both using here. Anything created by the mind is destructive. Wanting, thinking, etc are all one in the same :)
@@MikenNinginThai I agree with you but i dont think all things created by the mind are destructive...like a hammer can be used to build and to kill. The action itself makes all the difference ;) The only problem with thinking lies on the fuel, desire and fear ;)
Buddha also speak these things like krishnamurti.
1.Contact cause feeling
2.feeling cause desire
Every words like buddha
But how to break chain
This teachings are very subtle, you can't simply say OK he say have no motive then I will have no motive to learn or do sth about life or other stuffs
No motivation simply means to be "Servant", a servant doesn't have a direction, everything the master say he will obey but the question is who is your master?
if you have no motive but you still have desires, you become servant to your desires ( some form of animalistic sensual life )
If you have no motives and you have feelings of lost life, you will be slave to your past ( what one call depression)
If you have no motives and you are in an abusive environment ( e.g a bad husband) then you become servant to e. g your husband
If you have no motives and you live in a religious society, you become slave to religion
If you have no motives and e.g you are 40yrs old you will be servant to your karma, I mean if you have 4 children, you still have to make money and feed them!
I think it probably only works when you have no motives and recognize all sorts of "master" and slavery mechanics in the world from material to spiritual and you ignore them and stop them from putting a chain on your neck and moves you around or else you will be a not motivated being with a chain on his neck, pushing around!!
Why this motive? This is the only question we must ask about our motive...everything else is easy to understand.
In heaven, the only motive is love.
Ha were is heaven and hell
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@fynes leigh
sorry for the late answer. ego can be described as your self. the thing that u describe as yourself is the ego. unless an until u get rid of your self u cannot be motiveless which implies that motive is a product of your own self. so only a self realized being can be free of egoistic motive. this topic cannot be explained better than this because english is crippled language. learn sanskrit to understand better from vedas. namaskar n blessings from INDIA ..............
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How
By not being motivated to live without motives 😉
move to IT. motive.... just a another thought ...comes and goes....like anything else any other thoughts.
After listening to his speech is there anything to comment. If you comment then you r again in the process of thought.
Dommage pas de traduction en Français
@fynes leigh
i can understand yur confusion. but sadly this concept cannot be understood by any measure of discussion or intellectual circus. there is no battle (both internal n external) which will yield the understanding of ego or I, as u say, as a result. the more early u understand this, the more closer u will be to your self. n ultimately u will understand that actually there is no difference between yourself n anybody else. all this what i say please dont believe rather try to realize it. but again to realize it u need the proper environment (both internal n external) which i will pray that u get soon.....
Where can I watch the full talk?🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
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I guess it would come down to Free will.
Nope, there is no such thing as "Free Will" because Will is thought(in direction)and thought is limited and therefore never free
Can you send a link to a full talk pls?🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
For this and any other extracts, you can look it up yourself by searching for the full talk using the information in the video description. In this case, simply search for 'Saanen 1984 Q&A 3' either directly on TH-cam or Google. If you learn this method you won't need to ask for the link again. Hope this helps.
@@KFoundation a reply like J. Krishnamurti himself. 🙏 "Seek the answers by yourself."
@@nonedone 👍
I watched my of his talk and never understand anything he said he never answer questioms directly but asked questions in return
Isn't hunger a desire ?
Or having food when hungry is motiveless ..
So we can't live without motive..
It's v basis of our lives ..
So then how to not be selfish about my sandwich ?
Can I be enlightened and selfish at the same time -_-
Hunger is not desire but wanting variety of foods when you're hungry is.
I'm still confused. Yes, I listen to a speaker totally only when there is no motive. But how do I have gotten to that tent without any motive?
Just observe everything unconditionally. Inward and out ward. Simple.
motive is a product of yur own ego
No one has a solution for anything..
@fynes leigh x+2=? .. now find ?..
x+2
I've imagined this: What if I were able to live without needing to ever eat or drink? Just remove those two motives in life. Life would drastically change.
Life in heaven, where it's said that all our needs will be met (no need for food or shelter or conserving physical energy or health), what will be our desire or motive. A Christian is taught that our purpose and desire then is to worship God. God is love. Our existence will be for love...of God and fellow beings and other creatures. And we will learn, endless learning and wonder.
Thank you so much
Thank you 🙏🏻
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