HARRY PLUMMER LEAVING NZ RUGBY

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  • @neilshrekpurves4521
    @neilshrekpurves4521 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

    I rate the youngster, and to be honest Mark, he hasn't turned his back on the All Blacks, I'm sure he aspires to playing for the All Blacks, but why should he give up the possible life changing wealth that his family will achieve because of his talents, the problem is with the NZRU, they should welcome the fact that the French club is paying his salary whilst he gains invaluable experience, and if he is good enough, they should still pick him, simple!

    • @RexJebamoney
      @RexJebamoney 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@neilshrekpurves4521 agree. The experience he gains in Europe will enhance his growth and benefit AB in the end. Management needs to look through a wide angle lens.

  • @samkohi8705
    @samkohi8705 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    It's about time NZRU allowed these players to play overseas but still be selected for the All Blacks, South Africa have access to all of their players and it bloody shows too!

    • @insiderugbywithmark
      @insiderugbywithmark  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @samkohi8705 what do you think it will do to the NZ domestic game?

    • @samkohi8705
      @samkohi8705 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@insiderugbywithmark We have been losing players overseas for years, generally its the players who cant break into the AB side and those who are near careers end, its the coaches you dont want going overseas, we need them here building our talent up, and not making other nations better.

    • @deanhubbard2846
      @deanhubbard2846 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Good on Plummer, he's obviously not getting a look in with the AB's and they obviously appreciate his skill set in France far more than the AB's and NZR.
      Good on him, I think he'll do well up there.
      Are others really gonna get a go?
      Perofeta wasn't even playing 5/8th for the Blues the past season....and ,correct me if I'm wrong but i think Barrett played 5/8th when he was at the Blues as well.

  • @SFLII22
    @SFLII22 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    he will be missed as a cool calm and collected young player who guided the Blues to their championship this year...a loss for the Blues, and the NZ rugby...

  • @Pete-y5p
    @Pete-y5p 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Rueben Love - next generation

    • @DavidTebb
      @DavidTebb 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @Pete-y5p yes and he is all ready playing for the allblacks ease him via the allblack xv

  • @Brent4120
    @Brent4120 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Cannot blame these guys from leaving, when the AB coach has signaled from Day 1 that he feels Mo'unga is the player he would prefer to have. Would not be surprised to see DMac/Barrett follow suite before next WC.

  • @colinmeehan791
    @colinmeehan791 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Josh Jacomb,Taranaki looks the goods.

  • @DavidTebb
    @DavidTebb 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    On to the next 10 I say

  • @Swannyjoe464
    @Swannyjoe464 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I blame Jacinda Ardern

    • @RHWMNZ
      @RHWMNZ 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Being an increasingly poorer country doesn't give rugby the money to pay the high salaries professional players expect. Your comment may have more truth to it than you thought.

    • @insiderugbywithmark
      @insiderugbywithmark  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @RHWMNZ what about all of the Pacific Island countries, Georgia, Portugal, Japan etc. Does money mean success?

  • @samgreer8274
    @samgreer8274 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    All the best Harry :)

  • @RHWMNZ
    @RHWMNZ 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Without DMac starting at no10 against Ireland, that test would have been lost on goal kicking alone.

  • @EdgarJnrJnr
    @EdgarJnrJnr 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I’m not worried he can go look talent will always emerge beaudy, dmac, Mounga are all better than him then we have players that can play 10 like perofeta, Havili, Cameron so we good. Even the thing about sotutu going to England he can go we have plenty back rowers like Savea sititi finau Jacobson frizell when back papali ioane christie lio Willie blackadder haig and co

  • @Edgycoo
    @Edgycoo 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    with beauden not the main man and dmac impact, it says to me that mounga is headed back.

    • @subhuman119
      @subhuman119 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Mo'unga was always going to come back, it was only a matter of time. Same goes with Shannon Frizell and Lester Fai'unganuku

    • @rayclark3043
      @rayclark3043 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hope so

    • @markreilly105
      @markreilly105 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@subhuman119 I know I keep saying it, but once again, what if he has a game threatening injury. Thanks to Razor, we have no cover due to his unwillingness to start new players and his perseverance with Dmac as a run on 10, which he will never be.

    • @PeterRattenbury-h1e
      @PeterRattenbury-h1e 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I rate Marcus Smith the best fly half in the world, better than the sainted Mo’unga, with DuPont second, when he plays 10. Has anyone heard about Mo’unga’s performance overseas? Has he got the hunger? Plummer never got a real chance to prove his talent with the ABs, unlike other players I could name who were selected but haven’t measured up.

    • @Edgycoo
      @Edgycoo 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@PeterRattenbury-h1e im hoping carlos spencers son, look him up, goes to 10, hes just joined the blues. Speed, can kick goals, young.

  • @petrusvanderMerwe-o9k
    @petrusvanderMerwe-o9k 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    one player leaving an other gets exposed your life your move win win

  • @Tuatara587
    @Tuatara587 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The next world cup is a long way off and I am sure the team will look a lot different by then. The next Super rugby series is going to be very telling and I am sure players in key areas will show their hand. Particularly interested in what Jamie Joseph will do with the Highlanders, some great players there. Plummer leaving is a probably not unexpected, I liked his style of play and his huge boot.

  • @Knowyourintent
    @Knowyourintent 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Richie Mo'unga back next year?
    How did I miss this headline news?

  • @subhuman119
    @subhuman119 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Amusing, all the comments saying that the Blues and potentially the All Blacks are going to miss him at #10. Keep in mind, Plummer isn't a natural 10, but a natural midfielder. He only played 10 for the Blues, because Perofeta was injured and is also a far better 10 than Harry Plummer.
    That being said, you can't begrudge him for wanting to go overseas to play, when back here in NZ there are so many people ahead of him for the black jersey.

    • @markreilly105
      @markreilly105 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      So does that mean Lam isn't one of the best 12's because he was a wing, Sititi not the best 6 because he was an 8. Plummer was very good at 10 and deserved the chance. Now we have lost him. Razor and his selectors see Perofetta, it seems, only as a 15. Not even worthy of playing against Fiji, Japan, and I doubt they will play him there against Italy. Razor is a good coach, but as we have seen, not the best at selecting. Our new players; Ratima, because TJ got injured, Sititi, because Blackadder got injured, Lakai, because Cane, Papali'i, Jacobson and Blackadder got injured. Seems like the new guys need to have someone injured to get a game.

  • @Thudsrayz
    @Thudsrayz 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    There's possibly a little bit reading the tea leaves on Plummer's part here. how much game time will he get with the blues in 2025 with beauden Barrett back?
    Jacomb from Taranaki looks excellent. He'll be playing for the chiefs, Love obviously has been outstanding, and there's the prospect of Mo'unga returning which is possible/probable (not for 2025).
    Then there's the hype around players like Rivez Reihana, which hasn't materialized on field yet.
    I think Plummer just isn't getting a fair shake for his performances, recognises that he's unlikely to, so why not get out there and see the world.
    Definitely a loss for NZ rugby, but if the option is highlanders, Australia or top 14, why not put yourself in the biggest market and see if the big money comes. All the best to him. Hope he goes well

  • @stevecoffey1914
    @stevecoffey1914 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Josh Jacomb please!

  • @sox7784
    @sox7784 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Once again our talent goes north , hope he does well . What happens if RM doesn’t come back , Steven Perafeta has been mucked around so much I’m surprised he’s not going as well

    • @fidget2020
      @fidget2020 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Richie will come back, no doubt in my mind. The bigger problem is what happens if/when he gets a serious injury?

    • @insiderugbywithmark
      @insiderugbywithmark  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes, no depth in inventory

  • @Thelasttrywins
    @Thelasttrywins 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Add to that Riccitelli given up on chasing the all blacks jersey, hopefully not sotutu next.

  • @vvwalker7261
    @vvwalker7261 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I was surprised to see that Jack Goodhue is only 29, speaking of people that turned their back on NZ

    • @carokann4397
      @carokann4397 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      NZ don't pay well

    • @jimmysmith9642
      @jimmysmith9642 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Average centre at best not fast enough for international Rugby

    • @craighall5551
      @craighall5551 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@jimmysmith9642I’m sure he cares what you think

  • @D_Handler
    @D_Handler 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Damn I can only imagine if the Saudis get ahold of rugby, it may get a whole lot harder on the domestic market for NZ rugby!

  • @Jon-bk2yw
    @Jon-bk2yw 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Seems to be plenty of talent here in NZ for no 10 Cam Miller and Rameka Poihipi Rivez Reihana look the goods

  • @omonyrobert9962
    @omonyrobert9962 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Mounga is coming back...BB, Mackenzie and Perofeta ahead of him in the pecking order. I can understand his decision.

  • @dineshdavid405
    @dineshdavid405 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    ABs will keep going down in rugby with these exits.

    • @DavidSmith-yi8ou
      @DavidSmith-yi8ou 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      No. It has always happened and always will. NZ rugby can’t keep every player and nor should they.

  • @FlashPelcher-km8ov
    @FlashPelcher-km8ov 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    South Africa First Pick Their Flyhalves Then They Pick Their Captain & Then Their Team. Rassie Insisted To Use Overseas Based Players & Today They Are Back To Back World Cup Champs. They Building Their Depth In Positions Look At Rassie Depth Position At Flyhalf Alone

  • @napintasboli7939
    @napintasboli7939 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Form 10 played well for nz xv and winning blues
    Surely he deserved more then camo3 minutes
    Razor gave him🤔
    All blacks showed great new talent fowards💪
    Back line?? Proctor* love-- plumber-- got real go😗
    Like to see at least love-15- aj lamb centres=against
    Italy-- even clarke pairing with him🤗that would be interesting🖤💯💪🏉

  • @edsmith4160
    @edsmith4160 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Is Richie coming back at the end of next year? Is it a done deal?

    • @RomanEvans-o4k
      @RomanEvans-o4k 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@edsmith4160 hopefully he comes back 2025 for abs like him in 10 jersey

  • @D_Handler
    @D_Handler 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’m more worried about the Blues! Please I don’t want Perofeta at 10 for the blues 😢

  • @paulthomson2288
    @paulthomson2288 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Neither Mouanga or Perofeta will be the solution. Plummer was overlooked so can't blame him for leaving. Will have to look at converting some League guys becausethe depth of talent in nz union is only ankle deep.

    • @insiderugbywithmark
      @insiderugbywithmark  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @paulthomson2288 thanks for sharing your view, appreciate it.

  • @Mumbo_Jumbo_Kiwi.1
    @Mumbo_Jumbo_Kiwi.1 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I'm not a fan of Richie'M & besides theirs plenty of healthy stock in the stables; Brett Cameron for example. Aiden Morgan though a quick google indicates he's heading to EU also - you can't blame these guys! You never know what NZRU are master-minding but if they don't get their A into G they'll also loose quality the likes of Naholo, Hotham & Lamb whom I thought were definitely stand out players this year worthy of an AB birth. In addition, I think it'd be good for Riko to spend a bit of time in EU just to rediscover & mature a little in a new environment after having been coached by that narcissist Fozzy.

    • @spottersworld3135
      @spottersworld3135 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      OMG Aiden Morgan is the worst player on the planet

  • @Yosia.toldyah
    @Yosia.toldyah 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Font blank him get the money brother and after 3 years you can try for France my guy ❤

  • @KewKew-do3kq
    @KewKew-do3kq 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You should do a team of potential guys who will leave or are leaving. Like Stevenson should go maybe de Groot will get offered big money now he is third choice. Reece is falling behind.

  • @jacobh1867
    @jacobh1867 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm sure eroding NZ's depth by taking players just as they're maturing is a nice little bonus for NH clubs. People will say he's not an established AB, but that's not the point. It's death by a thousand cuts for NZ rugby.

  • @potsie7778
    @potsie7778 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Pity, rated Plummer. So obvious Razor will go for Mounga but he is not the man. Already failed twice when we had worlds No 1. Be good to see Rueben Love have a crack at 10 for Hurricanes to see how he goes. Who ever it is for next WC they need to be exposed to top flight rugby from 2025.

    • @rogey4084
      @rogey4084 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      15s going to 10s don’t work, we need a 10 thats always been a 10. Richie is the guy to do it, as well as being under razor , he will flourish

    • @potsie7778
      @potsie7778 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @Exactly, BB should never have been shifted to 15 when he was the best 10 in the world (twice) to make way for crusader favourite Mounga. Mounga should have served his time as 2ic just as BB did to Carter and Carter did to Mertons.

    • @markreilly105
      @markreilly105 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@potsie7778 definitely, and Mounga is not the answer. Maybe bring Nonu, Sonny Bill and Smith back to solve our midfield problems, McCaw back so we don't have to look for a 7. Mounga was an amazing Super Rugby 10, but coaches need to have Barrett in the team and the pressure to have Mounga meant they moved Barrett and he's never been the same since. Perofeta should be our 10 with Barrett until a backup is found. I would have said Cameron but maybe Jacomb.

    • @fidget2020
      @fidget2020 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Mounga was stifled under Foster and still produced some match winning performances. Imagine what he’ll be like for the ABs under his SR coach…can’t wait!

    • @potsie7778
      @potsie7778 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@fidget2020 LOL You’re kidding, haven’t heard that one.

  • @ilollipop100
    @ilollipop100 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Hilarious. Imagine SA not picking Handre Pollard, Kwagga Smith, PSDT etc... A lot of SA's "depth" plays overseas

  • @troyocarroll
    @troyocarroll 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Plummer is an unproven talent at international level so will not really be missed. Still believe Perofeta is the better option, short and long term.
    Good luck to him and his family, we'll be alright I believe, as we have the likes of Reuben Love, Josh Jacomb and Simpson of U20s coming up behind Barrett,DMac and Perofeta.

  • @vernonmoodaley7858
    @vernonmoodaley7858 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    NZ can see the World or World Rugby has moved yet they cling to age old policies. Very insular vision. The ABs are struggling as the coaching team except Ryan has only NZ coaching perspective with a Crusader bias.

  • @caferg1
    @caferg1 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    It seems Razor's got some love for DMac maybe he like's the headless chook uncertainty, Plummer is and was a far better choice, but we will probably never know now.

    • @RHWMNZ
      @RHWMNZ 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Who started as no10 a couple of weeks ago when they won against the top ranked team, Ireland? DMac also kicked six out of six penalty goals in that game. Lets go back to the times when AB goal kickers were applauded if they could kick two out of three goals.

    • @caferg1
      @caferg1 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@RHWMNZ I have to admit Dmac's kicking has been better than usual but so was Barretts and Plummer is pretty good as well, Ireland was probably the easiest of the three games so far, not that they were easy they have become a great team, and I think you will find South Africa are the top ranked team.

    • @DavidTebb
      @DavidTebb 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @caferg1 well we have other options but we sould use other new players like Ruben love time to give them a go

    • @RHWMNZ
      @RHWMNZ 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@caferg1 South Africa became top ranked team only after NZ beat the previous top ranked team, Ireland.

  • @jesseparker198
    @jesseparker198 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    NZRU put all there $ into getting Moanga back, real shame losing Harry can't blame him though. Similar happened when. We lost Nick Evans who became the best player in the North. 10 and 7 are the most important positions in a rugby team and that's where NZ lacks depth. Interesting future

    • @markreilly105
      @markreilly105 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yup, and once again people are saying it doesn't matter, we have enough players to fill. What if more go? Proctor, Hotham, Stevenson, Love, Sotutu, Narawa, Perofetta, Darry, all players given a taste as an All Black and then discarded also those not given the chance Lam, Slater, Jacomb (another 10). How many is it okay to lose because Razor doesn't show he's willing to give new players a go?

  • @fossilmatic
    @fossilmatic 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Mo’unga will come back and if he plays well should be considered for the ABs. If Razor really is the learner everyone says he is he will have learnt that simply elevating Crusaders from Super Rugby does not a test player make. The pathway to any jersey in the ABs has to be top performance domestically followed by really taking an opportunity in your position at test level. What that looks like is a Sititi, Roigard, Tamaiti Williams, even Vaea. It does not look like a Reece, the centres, Stevenson, or Finau. DMac, Jordan (as fullback), Telea, and Blackadder are arguable. When you don’t demand selection (or can’t be selected because of an incumbent or constant injury) after double figure appearances in the jersey others need to get opportunities. Likewise a player who appears to be improving key aspects of his role needs to have consistent selection to cement their place (B.Barrett as 10, Vaea, Ardie as 7) rather than being seen as a backup plan. Performance should trump potential, form should trump age. And does anyone really believe playing in Japan is a better preparation than in NZ? Perhaps players who get drafted but seldom play in Super could be sponsored to play in Japan, make their money, then come back with the professional skills to step up to Super, then potentially the ABs? Let Japanese clubs bear the investment price.

  • @robertmariu6783
    @robertmariu6783 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Don't rate Plummer ; behind a big pack !

    • @insiderugbywithmark
      @insiderugbywithmark  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @robertmariu6783 Thanks for sharing your opinion, appreciate it

  • @hansneggs
    @hansneggs 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    so what is it ? Keeping finances strong or ensuring competition is at its highest level ?
    Allblacks died with the super rugby . You can’t recreate the competition .
    You can’t recreate the toughness of facing huge South Africans on a weekly basis . The mind relaxes , the body gets softer. Fewer leaders emerge.
    no one has a master kicking game because it’s no longer a priority . You can just run it and do line breaks . Right?
    That’s the state of the all blacks.
    It will now be a forever state of “building” and “rebuilding”.

  • @ClydeJacobs-q8j
    @ClydeJacobs-q8j 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    How does this guy knows what goes on in NZ and stays in Mexico

    • @diossiempreestatrabajando
      @diossiempreestatrabajando 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Thanks to the Magic of the Internet! 😉

    • @Generative_Midi_
      @Generative_Midi_ 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      How do you find out things? It will probably be the same way he does.

    • @craigrodger3628
      @craigrodger3628 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      messenger pigeons ....obviously

  • @RexJebamoney
    @RexJebamoney 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Razor never have tried HP in 10 position despite mediocre performance from DM and BB. JB and RI at 11 & 12 have not been impressive either.?On the other hand exposure in a French league will be a valuable advantage to NZ Rugby. They have carried a lot of Tourists in the squad by not playing many players. It’s not an easy job for Razor either. It’s easy to criticize!

    • @markreilly105
      @markreilly105 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You're quite right, it is easy to criticize, but you must agree that Razors history so far, when it comes to selecting, is not good. Havilli?, only 3 wingers and 2 of them showing no form? Taking 3 fullbacks when you have 3 other players capable of playing fullback? Under performing midfield but unwilling to try someone new? Players selected on form when they hadn't played or had only 1 -2 games. Not a good policy really.

  • @Generative_Midi_
    @Generative_Midi_ 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This is disappointing. We have to re look at the eligibility rules in NZ. I think Plummer should have been tried earlier. D'Mac was the project.

    • @markreilly105
      @markreilly105 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes, he was given 8 games to show his stuff. He should have been gone after the first Argentina match. He played 10 all year and should have been able to adapt within 4 games. The best 10 in Super Rugby was Plummer. The ability to control a game, stick to a game plan, patient and able to play what's in front of him. Totally out played McKenzie in both their games by playing to a plan. McKenzie showed he couldn't change to suit the game.