Good review. I have the same machine with no problems so far. Tech support has improved since it was delivered in April 2023. Finally getting around to using my 4th axis so we'll see.
On the robodrills we have in the shop I work at we use like a 5 micron mesh cloth that we clip onto the large overflow area and on top of it we have some wire mesh fabricated chip bins that catch all the larger chips but that keeps all the fines out of the sump. You just need to be careful with how much roughing you are doing because the fabricated chip baskets will overflow if you arent on top of it, but it is very nice to keep clean and we change the cloth maybe every six months or so and just vacuum it every so often if it gets alot of fines caught in it. We also drill some pretty small holes at .0145" but as long as you are on top of your coolant concentration it wont foam over too terribly to the point of overflowing out of the machine as long as its regularly maintained. Hope this helps
I put some magnets at the bottom of those small screens to hold them in place. I use fine stainless wire mesh screens on top of the mesh screens in the chip trays. Wear comp doesn't work on my X5 with LNC6800 control either. I just make a hole, measure it and do the comp in Fusion. Tech support has been excellent, only issue was a wrong setting that made rigid tapping unreliable. After the fix, no issues in a part with 200 holes, although I use thread mills for most holes from M2 to M8 now. I bought the X5 for rapid prototyping, not interested in production work, although I'm doing a few short runs now. I'd never touched a CNC machine before, but I've learned maybe 25 programming languages over the years, so it's all very easy apart from the abysmal LNC manual. Undocumented functions and a lack of useful examples, pretty much like 90% of programming manuals!
Yeah I used 120 mesh screens on my last machine. Since the video I brushed the chips out of the screens and it’s flowing way way better. Magnets were my first thought for screensbut I will be cutting steel in the future and figured that would make a huge mess.
@ My thought was that it might actually help to capture anything that got through the screens but it would've been an absolute pain to clean them. I'm sure.
I program for many machines with master cam, and if I turn off lead in and lead out some machines will ignore the cutter comp. Some machines require a linear or circular moves before cutting
If the diameter tool setting is inaccurate it's likely the calibration of the probe that is causing it. What I like to do is take an endmill, do a cut, comp the diameter of the cutter until I'm satisfied with the dimensions of the feature it was cutting, then run the calibration of the tool setter with that endmill and its comped diameter. If you do that, you can guarantee that the probe's measurements jive with the resulting cut.
It measures perfectly on my solid calibration bar, it’s the flutes of the tool that make it inaccurate. I can see the light on the probe light before the machine triggers so it could be a programmed time on requirement? Needs to trigger at the first, tiny on signal IMO.
@@IronForestKnives Cutting a feature and then comping the calibration of the probe based on that means you are also comping for the contact bounce or input filtering you may be seeing measuring the flutes of the tool rather than a solid bar.
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Thanks for doing this! Rather disappointing regarding the table probe for diameter...but honestly comp of standard diameter is probably better. Nice to have an impartial view on the machine, mine is here Monday but has the Siemens control so hopefully the wear comp issue doesn't rear its ugly head for me! Excited for the 6 month and 1 year review vids :).
Sweet! Congrats! Gonna be a great machine for your size of products! You’ll be shocked how quiet and fast it is. That 20k spindle really puts in some work too.
Just curious, is the reason your not getting accurate measurements on the tools with flutes because you dont have the tool rotating the the opposite direction of the cutting side? Because when I have used machines with tool setters in the past, I have reliably used them to set diameters with the tool rotating. Or am I just an idiot and your saying this tool setter just isn't capable of being accurate for the diameter period?
I have always (20+ years) programmed for nominal diameter and just comp for the small differences. Even though I have always had probes on my machines, I almost never use the diameter function as it is rather useless. I am thinking about getting one of these or the X7, but really hoping to see the lathe options.
Yeah my fadal made me use diameter as my only method for comp. The syntec can do either, but my wear offset is “broken” so I’m forced to use diameter. I’m used to doing it that way though lol.
@@qdp03Maybe for some applications but they’re pretty expensive. Probably $5-7k. Not worth it to me. I set my tools one time and run the same tools for at least 3-4 weeks.
When you say tech support do you mean Syil, Titan, or Syntec? Cant remember if you bought it through Syil or Titan, just curious who is providing the tech support. Especially on the control side stuff
I bought mine through Titan and thats where support started, then they have a US technician to help with mechanical issues and a technician for software. Everyone who has helped me has been easy to deal with. The software guy actually wrote the toolsetter code and other macros that come with the machine, so he knows his stuff. On my wear comp issue, he is working with the factory in China to figure that out so obviously there is a time and language barrier there.
Do keep in mind / watch out for the ATC. Recently there's been a ton of fluff on the Facebook group - the ATC timing seems to be very prone to not being correct, having the machine throw tools and break slots in the ATC. When i looked at the X5 the ATC was my main worry point. Having Titans as support is a huge win tho, i suspect that's the saving grace of Syil in the USA. Here in the EU we don't have any real support, hence why im hesitant to get a Syil in the future.
Na Polskę jest przedstawiciel z serwisem - Virocast . Są w bezpośrednim kontakcie z producentem. Z tego co rozumiem to SYLI tak działa na zasadzie współpracy z przedstawicielami a nie tylko na stopie sprzedawca inporter
Program your tool setter with macro B. Its a simple language. I bet the value that the default macro is pulling is an input from the fusion post. Find the parameters in the control. Our X7 tool probe has worked great for 3 years. It holds 0.01mm without issue. It's been the only reliable part of the machine. The rest of the machine is disposable after a few thousand hours.
@@IronForestKnives W Chinach. Liczę że poznam Tytans of CNC osobiście. Pytałem bo szukam osób które będą i mają kanały na YT żeby zapoznać się jeszcze przed spotkaniem.
if you are using fusion to post you might want to check your settings. there is a check box to turn off tool comp. which may be your wear comp issue. its kind of buried too "in control, in computer" setting its annoying af
I am interested in this machine. It says in the spec the height is 2360 m. Is that with the light on top? The entrance to my workshop is 2.1 m, inside there is more than enough room, I just need to figure out if I can squeeze it into the door. What is the lowest you can get it, ie, no light and z-axis all the way down and feet off or wound up all the way?
The feet come off. I believe my doors are 7 feet / 2.1336 meters. There were several inches to spare. But you have to detach one half of the cable chains. Not too hard.
Im the right guy to answer this question. My door is 203cm . I had to remove the top light, unscrew and remove the cable guides, remove the feet, but after that, it even had about 1cm clearance to enter the room. so 210cm is certainly doable, no problem. I have mine 5 months now and i'm very satisfied with it.
You’re probably right, I’ve noticed the light on the probe flashes before the machine responds. Which means the signal needs to be on for a certain length of time to consider it to be tripped.
Use a tenths indicator on the flutes, tap the collet nut on the high flutes to get it centered. It stays centered too. Works well. Obviously don’t hit it too hard, and only use a dead blow.
@@noahdboss1195Depends on the tool, if it’s a a tool with short flutes like a chamfer mill, then the shank is fine, and a lot easier. What really matters is that you measure pretty close to the end of the tool.
@ last question… (lol sorry, ive only been machining for like 2 years and our shop isnt nearly this precise) Do you do this while the tool is in the spindle? If so, i assume its light enough taps it doesnt damage the spindle
I like fine stainless mesh, it’s pretty durable and works well. I actually used a brush and vacuum and got the chips out of the pan and it’s draining much better now. Might just be a regular maintenance thing.
Totally, they’re great machines. Pros and cons as always lol. SMM has a lot bigger work envelope, and the tool changer is huge which is nice. But the outside of the machine is probably double the size, rapids are slower, and they only come with a 10k spindle. With the 15k spindle upgrade, you’re at $58,000 not including delivery or tax. So effectively you can get 2 X5’s for around the same price and they’ll take up the same amount of space. I think if you are making a wider variety of sizes of parts the Haas is obviously the way to go. If you know you’re making smaller parts, especially with small tools, the syil will be much more productive and it’s nearly half the price.
Good review. I have the same machine with no problems so far. Tech support has improved since it was delivered in April 2023. Finally getting around to using my 4th axis so we'll see.
On the robodrills we have in the shop I work at we use like a 5 micron mesh cloth that we clip onto the large overflow area and on top of it we have some wire mesh fabricated chip bins that catch all the larger chips but that keeps all the fines out of the sump. You just need to be careful with how much roughing you are doing because the fabricated chip baskets will overflow if you arent on top of it, but it is very nice to keep clean and we change the cloth maybe every six months or so and just vacuum it every so often if it gets alot of fines caught in it. We also drill some pretty small holes at .0145" but as long as you are on top of your coolant concentration it wont foam over too terribly to the point of overflowing out of the machine as long as its regularly maintained. Hope this helps
Yeah I’ll add some fine mesh soon, just need to figure out how I want to do it! Thanks for the input!
I put some magnets at the bottom of those small screens to hold them in place. I use fine stainless wire mesh screens on top of the mesh screens in the chip trays. Wear comp doesn't work on my X5 with LNC6800 control either. I just make a hole, measure it and do the comp in Fusion. Tech support has been excellent, only issue was a wrong setting that made rigid tapping unreliable. After the fix, no issues in a part with 200 holes, although I use thread mills for most holes from M2 to M8 now. I bought the X5 for rapid prototyping, not interested in production work, although I'm doing a few short runs now. I'd never touched a CNC machine before, but I've learned maybe 25 programming languages over the years, so it's all very easy apart from the abysmal LNC manual. Undocumented functions and a lack of useful examples, pretty much like 90% of programming manuals!
Yeah I used 120 mesh screens on my last machine. Since the video I brushed the chips out of the screens and it’s flowing way way better. Magnets were my first thought for screensbut I will be cutting steel in the future and figured that would make a huge mess.
@ My thought was that it might actually help to capture anything that got through the screens but it would've been an absolute pain to clean them. I'm sure.
I program for many machines with master cam, and if I turn off lead in and lead out some machines will ignore the cutter comp.
Some machines require a linear or circular moves before cutting
If the diameter tool setting is inaccurate it's likely the calibration of the probe that is causing it. What I like to do is take an endmill, do a cut, comp the diameter of the cutter until I'm satisfied with the dimensions of the feature it was cutting, then run the calibration of the tool setter with that endmill and its comped diameter. If you do that, you can guarantee that the probe's measurements jive with the resulting cut.
It measures perfectly on my solid calibration bar, it’s the flutes of the tool that make it inaccurate. I can see the light on the probe light before the machine triggers so it could be a programmed time on requirement? Needs to trigger at the first, tiny on signal IMO.
@@IronForestKnives Cutting a feature and then comping the calibration of the probe based on that means you are also comping for the contact bounce or input filtering you may be seeing measuring the flutes of the tool rather than a solid bar.
build quality is really nice... I really like such enclosures....
3:16 Wtf is a "height-th"?
“Heighth is a colloquial variant of height formed by analogy with similar measurement terms such as length, breadth, width, and depth, which end in th. Heighth might be considered incorrect in formal writing, and no dictionaries that we know of list it as a living word.”
Thanks for doing this!
Rather disappointing regarding the table probe for diameter...but honestly comp of standard diameter is probably better. Nice to have an impartial view on the machine, mine is here Monday but has the Siemens control so hopefully the wear comp issue doesn't rear its ugly head for me!
Excited for the 6 month and 1 year review vids :).
Sweet! Congrats! Gonna be a great machine for your size of products! You’ll be shocked how quiet and fast it is. That 20k spindle really puts in some work too.
@@IronForestKnives My haas with table probe was dead nuts accurate. That sounds like another software bug being covered up.
I also have an X5 and absolute no problem with the wear compensation. It is very accurate. Very strange it is not working well on your machine
Great review. Also digging the knife!
Just curious, is the reason your not getting accurate measurements on the tools with flutes because you dont have the tool rotating the the opposite direction of the cutting side? Because when I have used machines with tool setters in the past, I have reliably used them to set diameters with the tool rotating. Or am I just an idiot and your saying this tool setter just isn't capable of being accurate for the diameter period?
I have always (20+ years) programmed for nominal diameter and just comp for the small differences. Even though I have always had probes on my machines, I almost never use the diameter function as it is rather useless.
I am thinking about getting one of these or the X7, but really hoping to see the lathe options.
Yeah my fadal made me use diameter as my only method for comp. The syntec can do either, but my wear offset is “broken” so I’m forced to use diameter. I’m used to doing it that way though lol.
@IronForestKnives Is it a software update kinda thing?
@@Factory400Yep I’m pretty sure it will be.
do you think a laser tool setter would be worth it for measuring diameter?
@@qdp03Maybe for some applications but they’re pretty expensive. Probably $5-7k. Not worth it to me. I set my tools one time and run the same tools for at least 3-4 weeks.
6:05 can they fit under the pump plate
When you say tech support do you mean Syil, Titan, or Syntec?
Cant remember if you bought it through Syil or Titan, just curious who is providing the tech support. Especially on the control side stuff
I bought mine through Titan and thats where support started, then they have a US technician to help with mechanical issues and a technician for software.
Everyone who has helped me has been easy to deal with. The software guy actually wrote the toolsetter code and other macros that come with the machine, so he knows his stuff. On my wear comp issue, he is working with the factory in China to figure that out so obviously there is a time and language barrier there.
Do keep in mind / watch out for the ATC. Recently there's been a ton of fluff on the Facebook group - the ATC timing seems to be very prone to not being correct, having the machine throw tools and break slots in the ATC. When i looked at the X5 the ATC was my main worry point.
Having Titans as support is a huge win tho, i suspect that's the saving grace of Syil in the USA. Here in the EU we don't have any real support, hence why im hesitant to get a Syil in the future.
Na Polskę jest przedstawiciel z serwisem - Virocast . Są w bezpośrednim kontakcie z producentem. Z tego co rozumiem to SYLI tak działa na zasadzie współpracy z przedstawicielami a nie tylko na stopie sprzedawca inporter
from what it looks like, thats only with the LNC controllers. Going with a syntec you should be okay.
@@OpenMFGcoWell that’s nice to hear lol thanks for putting my mind at ease 😂
Definitely woudl recommend some shrink fit holders
Yep, I had some for my Fadal. I plan on switching a little bit at a time because of the price lol.
@IronForestKnives nice. Doing the same on my brother.
Program your tool setter with macro B. Its a simple language. I bet the value that the default macro is pulling is an input from the fusion post. Find the parameters in the control.
Our X7 tool probe has worked great for 3 years. It holds 0.01mm without issue. It's been the only reliable part of the machine. The rest of the machine is disposable after a few thousand hours.
Cześć wybierasz się na SYIL Open House ?
Probably not, i didn’t even know about it lol. Is it in Texas?
@@IronForestKnives W Chinach. Liczę że poznam Tytans of CNC osobiście. Pytałem bo szukam osób które będą i mają kanały na YT żeby zapoznać się jeszcze przed spotkaniem.
if you are using fusion to post you might want to check your settings. there is a check box to turn off tool comp. which may be your wear comp issue. its kind of buried too "in control, in computer" setting its annoying af
I am interested in this machine. It says in the spec the height is 2360 m. Is that with the light on top? The entrance to my workshop is 2.1 m, inside there is more than enough room, I just need to figure out if I can squeeze it into the door. What is the lowest you can get it, ie, no light and z-axis all the way down and feet off or wound up all the way?
The feet come off. I believe my doors are 7 feet / 2.1336 meters. There were several inches to spare. But you have to detach one half of the cable chains. Not too hard.
Im the right guy to answer this question. My door is 203cm . I had to remove the top light, unscrew and remove the cable guides, remove the feet, but after that, it even had about 1cm clearance to enter the room. so 210cm is certainly doable, no problem. I have mine 5 months now and i'm very satisfied with it.
castings are definatly not made in germany, they just license the german epoxy granite and make them in china. good little machines though
Ah, that makes more sense to ship the technique to China than shipping thousands of pounds of epoxy granite.
There should be parameters to adjust your diameter to be perfert.
You’re probably right, I’ve noticed the light on the probe flashes before the machine responds. Which means the signal needs to be on for a certain length of time to consider it to be tripped.
For me siemens controler is better with shopmill.
This gets my deck hard
Does your toolsetter turn the tool backwards while measuring diameter?
Yes, it does.
hell yeah they get thicker
How do you use a deadblow to reduce runout? Whats the process for that?
Use a tenths indicator on the flutes, tap the collet nut on the high flutes to get it centered. It stays centered too. Works well. Obviously don’t hit it too hard, and only use a dead blow.
@ gotcha. Thanks!! I wouldve gone at it with an indicator on the shank. But flutes makes sense
@@noahdboss1195Depends on the tool, if it’s a a tool with short flutes like a chamfer mill, then the shank is fine, and a lot easier. What really matters is that you measure pretty close to the end of the tool.
@ last question… (lol sorry, ive only been machining for like 2 years and our shop isnt nearly this precise)
Do you do this while the tool is in the spindle? If so, i assume its light enough taps it doesnt damage the spindle
@@noahdboss1195 Yes, in the spindle. It could definitely damage the spindle bearings if you hit it too hard, or use a metal hammer.
Cheap furnace filter on top of screen
I like fine stainless mesh, it’s pretty durable and works well. I actually used a brush and vacuum and got the chips out of the pan and it’s draining much better now. Might just be a regular maintenance thing.
I have a big ultrasone cleaner to clean my parts. After a big job, I trow the pans and the small filters in the cleaner. looks like new afterwards.
Haas super mini mill 2. Awful big bang for the buck.
Totally, they’re great machines. Pros and cons as always lol. SMM has a lot bigger work envelope, and the tool changer is huge which is nice. But the outside of the machine is probably double the size, rapids are slower, and they only come with a 10k spindle. With the 15k spindle upgrade, you’re at $58,000 not including delivery or tax. So effectively you can get 2 X5’s for around the same price and they’ll take up the same amount of space.
I think if you are making a wider variety of sizes of parts the Haas is obviously the way to go. If you know you’re making smaller parts, especially with small tools, the syil will be much more productive and it’s nearly half the price.