Snapdragon X Elite Laptop Buying Guide! What you need to know before shopping a Windows AI laptop!
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18:05 Lenovo Yoga and Thinkpad
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Huge thank you to my Patrons! They help keep the lights on, and they're really cool people. Please consider supporting on Patreon.com/somegadgetguy! This video started as a "react", but the more you look through manufacturer websites, you realize consumers are going to be confused by a lot of these offerings. Part buying guide, here are some thoughts on shopping a new ARM laptop!
What about existing windows applications compatibility?
I really hope that Microsoft will be reallly committed to making ARM work after so many attempts. We really need a great competitor to the Apple M chips to have diverse competition
They really don't have a choice. Windows on ARM has been getting VERY good updates for the last 2-3 years now, and it seems their hardware partners want machines that can compete better with macbooks.
That's what I don't think people realize, the last "attempt" was basically Windows 11. It's been getting REALLY good over the last two years. MS hasn't "abandoned" the idea, they've been refining it this whole time.
It's just a shame that folks who like to watch tech videos only seem to watch the older "fail" videos.
@@SomeGadgetGuy Oh yeah for sure I don't mean to insinuate that Microsoft has failed, but I guess what I'm really looking forward to is an adoption to ARM with fewer performance drawbacks than before, especially on the emulation side. I'm happy to see more partners going forward with Qualcomm and this is a positive sign that indicates confidence in putting the chips into their upcoming products. I can't wait to see how these perform!
Oh, I said "people" i didnt mean SPECIFCALLY YOU LOL. I just think there's a HUGE gulf of consumer education about what makes these machines different.
That was a big part of the announcement today too. More improvements to emulation performance. I'm really curious to see if that will improve performance on older ARM laptops and tablets 🤞
Note: ONLY the surface pro has easily removable storage with a dedicated compartment. You can remove the SSD in the laptop but it voids warranty bc you must remove the entire bottom plate and replace it like other laptops
I couldn’t believe this, but you are right, footnote 27 reads: “This device does not contain user serviceable parts. Hard drive is only removable by an authorized technician following Microsoft provided instructions.“
This makes the 256 GB variant look completely ridiculous.
Oh good find.
@@Workaholic42 It does not void the warranty, it just means if you want the drive serviced you need to reproduce the issue with the original drive, if you send it back for any repairs keep the replaced drive because it won't be swapped, etc. It does not void the warranty to swap the drive, but if you damage the device while swapping the drive, that would indeed be outside the warranty. Microsoft has warranty terms available on their site, so anyone can download a PDF and read it.
So, could you go to a Microsoft repair center, give them a brand new nvme ssd, and ask them to install for you?
No Yensteel. More like, You can replace the drive, but then if you need the laptop serviced under warranty, you should put the original drive back.
Knowing how service works though, if there are any safety stickers or warranty labels, they might see the case had been opened, and then deny service.
Looking forward to see how the testing goes.
Me too! Have to compare against older ARM chips and newer X86 😊
Much excitement! Many Copilot 🌟
I keep laughing because copilot is the LEAST exciting part of all this for me... LEAST exciting...
@SomeGadgetGuy that's interesting. It's the pull foe me. At this point I feel like all of us have gotten used to keeping our PCS plugged in to work. The longer battery life is nice but the possibility of what can be done with a live-in AI assistant is so super intriguing
I hope Robo n Kala get their hands on the X Elite, and get to remake their 2 in 1. It'd be very interesting.
Same. I love that tablet.
Oled and flex keyboard on the new surface sound a little familiar...
Hmmm... It does... I just can't place where i might have seen something like that before... Yup... Total mystery...
😄
Or even an x plus for like 799 with more colors from Robo and kala would be awesome
Agreed, I love my Robo & Kala! If they just put an X Plus or base model X Elite in the existing 2-in-1, I'd probably buy it.
I'm a little disappointed in the OEM offerings. I get that they are going for broad market appeal and trying to take on base model MacBooks, but Samsung Galaxy Book 360 13", Yoga Book 9i, HP Spectre x360, Asus Zenbook Duo 14", etc. ... they finally have a chip efficient and performant enough to make it happen, so let's do this.
The AC/DC line was classic, Juan! 😀😀 Great review as always...
😁
Mini PCs with these chips are going to be awesome. Can't wait to get a low wattage server or NAS running on these chips.
NO JOKE. I have an ARM NAS, with those pokey A55 cores. The X Plus would be amazing.
I'd get either the Lenovo Yoga Slim 7x or maybe wait to see what else is coming out in the near future.
That Yoga looks REAL good at that price. I hope they bring a convertible tablet soon.
Yeah, I'll skip that. They used OLED with touch. I've one and I see horizontal lines across the screen. It's said that OLED with touch has that problem. Why do they ruin a product with touch?
At Dell World in Las Vegas last week I saw the Snapdragon Latitude 7000 series for business other than the XPS. By the way a great video for comparing the offerings from all these vendors!
They just launched Inspiron with X Plus also.
hi,
how did you get the discount on microsoft website pre order page? There is no discount showing on mine.
Hi Juan -- thanks for a well done, informative overview of the Co-Pilot+PC initiative. One question I have is how are you logged into the Microsoft store to show 10% of the MSRPs. When I land onto the site as a regular guy, I see full price. Do you need to be a student, military, medical staff, etc to see the discounts?
I honestly dont know why mine might be different. I REALLY thought it was a launch price. I'm not military or a teacher.
Excited for the ARM chips, couldn't care less for AI. Hopefully there can be a way to minimize that AI mess as much as possible.
I love the hardware we're seeing. I do not like the implications of services like Rewind. I assume we'll be able to turn it off, but I'm definitely not upgrading to 24h2 until it's confirmed that I can turn it off. lol.
Same. The AI tools like generative erase and blurring the background on a video call are neat, but otherwise, I just want better CPU performance at lower battery drain.
@@SinistralEpochwhats rewind?
@@Matthew_MBG they mean "Recall." They would have said it, but they couldn't recall what the word was.
Very exciting!!
BIG DAY for us Windows and Linux geeks 😁
I am hoping that with the recent release of LPCAMM2, we can finally start seeing removable RAM options on the next generation of these ARM laptops. It already addresses all of the problems with the SODIMM form-factor so there's literally no excuse now for manufacturers to continue with soldered RAM.
Apple will continue to do it though lol
It all comes down to money. AS SOON as we see a laptop with that option, it has to sell well for others to consider making that an option. It's WAY TOO profitable for a manufacturer to solder all this down, and force you to buy a whole new machine if you want one component upgrade.
Awesome overview Juan, just what was needed!
This really sheds some light on my purchasing options, I love the starting prices, love the 16 gb ram default a bit less in all honesty but ok.
I'm currently using a surface pro 8 as my travel remote work device when I am visiting my family for extended periods of time. One of the issues I've been having with it is overheating and stuttering when running 2x 1440p screens with a real time video feed over Teamviewer. It doesn't happen all the time but when it does it's detrimental to my workflow.
So I've been on the lookout for replacement and decided to wait for the ARM chip lineup.
My only question right now is how capable the adreno GPU is and whether it will be able to tackle the above task without overheating/throttling as compared to my current option (and can it even run 2x 1440 p screens like the "regular" chips?), or would I still have to go and get something more traditional.
Last summer I did the Android faithful podcast and my office gets up to 90°F. I couldn't run my workstation, so I used the Robo&Kala fanless tablet, had that connected to a monitor and my camera. For roughly two hours video call.
The camera overheated, but the tablet didn't.
X Elite is more powerful and more power thirsty, so it probably will need to spin up fans, but I think it should be more robust than the X86 surface. Hopefully.
@@SomeGadgetGuy Thanks for sharing this, I've decided to wait for some proper hardware reviews even though I've been really tempted to just go ahead a pre-order.
Oh you know me. If you CAN wait, it's ALWAYS better to wait. 👍
I fell in love with the Asus Zephyrus G16 display at Best Buy. Will Asus put the x chip in that laptop? If not do you recommend one of these as an alternative? Thanks. I mainly care about the display brightness, resolution, refresh rate, and trackpad. Just for work, watching content, and web browsing.
Get the Samsung Edge 3k oled with vision booster. 120 variable refresh rate with a large trackpad. But keyboard has more travel on Asus and better speakers. The 1 tb model on Edge has most powerful processor and GPU of all the snapdragon computers. But display on Samsung is better except 120 refresh vs 240 on Asus however higher ppi on Samsung. Also get nice 50 inch tv with pre order. Has great build quality like the Asus.
The fact that all the major laptop OEMs (and a few second-tier ones) have gotten on-board with Snapdragon X and that major apps like the Adobe suite, Chrome, Spotify, etc. are now available natively on ARM are all very good signs that bode well for the Windows on ARM platform's future.
Even though I wish they would have discussed the Prism emulator layer in greater detail, I think now that adequate native support + great emulation can make these laptops reach that magical "good enough" figure that makes them a viable option for most consumers who do their stuff in the browser.
There will still be edge cases where an x64 machine is needed (like when you need special drivers that are not available on ARM), but other than that, we can all look forward to not only quieter, thinner and more powerful laptops but also seeing the x64 boys work harder to catch up.
It's just exciting to have a better "tool" for the "mobile" job.
When power concerns are less precious, and you're working at a desk, obviously the performance of an HEDT workstation, or gaming rig with a beefy GPU makes more sense.
I can't carry my workstation to a coffee shop though, and I want better battery life when I can't find a seat by a charger LOL.
The nagging issue is the lack of VPN client. I'm using Nord and no, there is still no native support. One can hold out hope.
Hi Juan, what about compatibility with existing windows applications and softwares?
Checking the testing notes for the Surface Laptop 15, they said they used the Snapdragon X Elite C12. What's that?
I mentioned that in the video later (maybe the dell segment?), and I have no idea what that chip is. I'm still assuming it's the 78 variant to match whats in the Surface Pro.
I wonder if Samsung has an exclusive on the top end Snapdragon chips because of their long relationship with the phones. Thanks for your video . super solid like always
I wouldn't be surprised. Super disappointed in their configurations though.
X Elite X1E78100 Processor 12 CPU Cores - Is this the base model. How does it compare to the older i9 Intels about 8-10 months ago in terms of performance?
That's the lower tier ELITE, and there's a 10 core PLUS model below that.
So far all of the comparisons we've made have been more about pacing the Core ultra 7 155H, but that compares well against a 12th gen i9.
I noticed (unless I just missed this on all the vendor sites) none of the snapdragon laptops MS has on its site cite the throughput speed(s) of the USB4 ports. If those ports are the ultra fast ones, you should be able to connect external NVMe drives as a large and fast data storage while 'settleing' for a 512GB internal system/boot drive.
Yeah. That's been frustrating too. I want that data. I hate how simple the "tech specs" pages have gotten.
@@SomeGadgetGuy Gear heads like I would wager are most of your audience will not pre-order without full specs. Those gear heads also are the ones who will give free advertising to the potential customer base for the new systems. I am very frustrated with the 'pre' rollout.
@@SomeGadgetGuyThose "Faster than" speed improvements were really annoying too. Faster than what?
No joke. You have to go down to the fine print and see "faster than last generation Surface Laptop 5", but NO other info on build or configuration or what chip was in the Laptop 5, or what tests were run. It's a COMPLETELY meaningless statement. Like an Apple unlabeled bar-graph. It's for "feels".
@JuanBagnell @SomeGadgetGuy, could you confirm in your full review if these chips have virtualization?
If so, how does WSL perform?
I will ABSOLUTELY be looking at that. I'd be shocked if they didnt though. The (significantly) less powerful 8CXG3 chip ran linux programs like a champ. The X Elite is a lot beefier, so I expect even better performance.
I mentioned it briefly in my long term Surface review th-cam.com/video/K12R38wsa24/w-d-xo.htmlsi=tnlIfbnn2yHOptt1&t=1214
Oohh ♥
been trying to tell people, but folks dont share my videos. 😊
@@SomeGadgetGuy yeahh.. There's very less visibility in the saturated tech space.. I've been putting your videos in my WhatsApp circles.. But we need some action in reddit too.. ✊
@@SomeGadgetGuy and can we use the stylus on the laptop? 😅
curious if the systems support USB4 and eGPU, as it was mentioned somewhere that there "should" be dedicated GPU support from Qualcomm
So what was told to us from an Engineer (not a pr rep) was "there's no technical reason X Elite couldn't support discrete GPUs" and then that engineer promptly shut up LOL.
I don't believe we'll see support at launch, but I'm HOPING it's something that will come to these laptops and we won't have to buy whole new systems to get eGPU support. 🤞🤞🤞
Can't wait to see some options in these companies midrange lines with more reasonable prices
Seeing the X plus has a similar npu and GPU, I think we'll see some good options later this year and early next.
is the storage upgradeable from 256 to 512 on the surface laptop? Because there is too much difference between 256 and 512 in denmark and i thought about buying the 256 and maybe if needed later upgrade it.
Microsoft is one of the only that lists a user replaceable SSD. I'm HOPING it's easy to get to. The Surface Pro was AWESOME for that.
@@SomeGadgetGuy Thank you for letting me know, i haven't been able to find any information about replacing the ssd, only by a complex process which i, myself probably won't be skilled enough to do. Do you know by any chance if it will be easier to replace or if it will be complicated like on the previous models?
Unless they have an access port on the back of the tablet, you would have to risk going through the glass to get at the SSD. I would just add the micro sd in the back and be happy. ON the regular PC you would be ok. Good stuff as always.
Have you been watching my videos? Start with this one th-cam.com/video/OVsZek_ZCP8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=0ap8BpNVqXOGU58T&t=151 (should take you to the right time code about two minutes in.
I don't know if anyone has commented this yet but I believe the Samsungs are showing a higher price crossed off is because they have a pre order deal where you'd get a free TV if you pre order the Galaxy Book 4 Edge.
Apparently Best Buy is doing a similar deal but to their total Members or whatever it's called
I don't understand why they would show it like that. They aren't claiming the crossed off price is the book and the tv combined are they?
@@SomeGadgetGuy It seems that they are. I just checked right now, using the base model as an example, it's showing $1729.98 crossed off, which if you take the retail $1349.99 and add the $379.99 that the TV that's being included for free costs, it comes to that same $1729.98.
If you unselect the TV, then it just shows the $1349.99 with no numbers crossed off.
AH! I missed that check box to disable it. You're right. That's super dumb LOL.
As to the Samsung Edge, sometimes on the business site laptops can be more configurabie or upgraded.
That's a good call. Should definitely keep an eye on that.
I'm looking for a M1 MBA replacement and debating between the Yoga and the Vivobook. The Yoga has a good size and weight but it has no audio jack and there's no pricing yet for the 32GB model. The Vivobook has a better port selection (including micro SD, audio jack and USB-A) and is cheaper but it's just a bit larger and heavier than I'd like.
I like the variety of hardware at launch, but all these companies need to scale on configurations faster than this. I REALLY need to see some X Plus machines with options for 32GB of RAM.
The surface laptop is what i am interested in. I prefer the screen aspect ratio to that of the macbook air and up gradable storage is a huge plus. the main things i need to see is simply how well it does on battery life and day to day operation
We wont know until we can get hands on. It's a bigger battery than my tablet, but its also a more powerful SOC. I hope it's as good as the last gen ARM hardware is now.
What exactly is the advantage of the 84 over the 80 Qualcomm? 2 more lower core efficiency processors? I think Samsung had a sd option on the 15 model but it cost $300 more.
I don't believe there are any "E" cores on X Elite. As far as I can tell, the tiers of chip are rated for the expected chassis and power envelope. The 84 going into the highest power draw system (80W config from Qualcomm's demo machines) and with active cooling, it can hit a higher clock speed.
@@SomeGadgetGuy Thank you for that. I don't have the access nor the understanding that you do, but that's all I could discern that there's more power draw and slightly higher clock speed and really marginal at that for the cost. I could not see a desirable benefit.
I'll be curious if that translates into tangible performance gains. It REALLY comes down to the OEM and the laptop they build AROUND the chip. We'll have to wait and see.
I want to know which one you end up getting.
I went with the Microsoft Surface laptop because I figured they would probably have the best integration with Copilot
I pulled the trigger on a Surface Laptop too. I REALLY want to see how the 64GB config compares to the 64GB fanless reference laptops we played with in San Diego.
@@SomeGadgetGuy whew! OK - I feel somewhat validated. Man, if you knew how I _agonized_ over this choice.... 😵💫
Me too buddy. Some good options to compare.
When will they release those laptops/tablets?
First models shipping mid june. Some pushing to early july. Plenty should be out for back to school.
great work, I think nest the comparison between the specs and the prices, then after the release of these laptops, there is a need for some benchmarks
we have now only one tablet which is from Microsoft. I prefer Surface pro and Asus Vivobook
I can't wait to see what happens when MediaTek jumps in with Nvidia and this hardware also shows up for chrome os. It's gonna be fun.
When you get your hands on one. Do real world speed tests to compare to an M3 Pro
The problem is that the OEMs don't seem to have fully redesigned their laptops to fit the Snapdragons. I have not heard any vendor mention that they were going fanless. The Surfaces have the same weight as their Intel predecessors so presumably the cooling system is the same.
Only one way of knowing is a teardown of one of these products. That said, given how much more efficient ARM chips are, I'm going to assume thermals will be a lot better that in the future we might not need a bigger cooling solution.
Oh for sure. ALL these companies are playing it safe. But still, if the cooling is the same, but the chip generates less heat, then we're in for a treat. Especially if these can outperform the fanless systems we saw demoed.
Its good. I want a cool laptop so if they have the same cooling system but a processor with less heat. Its exactly what I want.
@@Smiles216 Yeah, I think that will be the case. If it keeps below a certain temperature threshold, we'll probably see a quiet operating laptop for an extended period.
Really waiting for benchmarks for surface laptop 7 13 and 15. Only issue is lower power wattage for Elite lineup of 39W without fast charge using surface connect port. Will need to wait until it hits India. If pricing is again wrong this year, i will stick with x86.
Tried few OLED model from asus i was getting headaches, restless ness and eye strain and had to enable auto HDR just to be useable. I hope dram is not integrated to soc but to mainboard just for relatively cheaper replacement
Hi Juan, can these computers run x86 programs, natively?
There's an emulation layer for X86, but that emulation performance has been pretty good over the last couple years. With the next major windows update, Microsoft claims emulation will improve by another 20%, which would bring it up to a tier, most X86 programs should run about the same as running the program natively on an Intel Core Ultra 7 155h.
@@SomeGadgetGuy Thanks so much for this reply Juan; it was useful and helpful. Subbed.
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Definitely get a surface for a baseline to compare to.
I'm leaning that way for the RAM...
I SO wish there was a 14" model with 32GB of RAM and an OLED screen.
Yup, hate that MS locks you out from that option.
The brand is irrelevant to me. Hopefully we'll be a model with these specs soon since these processors were just announced today @uncannygambit
Same. Surprised NO ONE did that config.
Note the Samsung units are listing as higher price because they come with a free 50” tv included for pre-ordering.
What I really want to know is if supports adobe apps, that looks amazing
Adobe was on stage during the Microsoft keynote.
btw got clarification from microsoft sales on the surface laptop and surface pro. both are 78 and 80 elite variants, no 84. i have a screenshot/transcript i can share with you if it helps any for future videos
Oh that would be great yeah! Please hit the contact page on somegadgetguy.com!
base on my experience with galaxy book s 8cx. I gonna order samsung lol. They make laptop like a phone and system battery life is a beast (not only for cpu). Trust me bro
The Surface laptop will not come with OLED option..😢😢
Having it confirmed that the Asus is Strong! means that I can finally get back to sleeping right.
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I hope you picked the yoga it is by far the best choice
I was REALLY taken with Lenovo's offering there. Might lean Surface as a review device for the RAM tho...
What about windows application’s compatibility?
I have a video for that...
th-cam.com/video/h4KYzvYAPJM/w-d-xo.html
X Elite version differences:
Snapdragon X1E-78-100
• TDP: 23 W
• Clock Speed: Up to 3.4 GHz
• GPU Performance: 3.8 TFLOPS
• NPU Performance: 45 TOPS
Snapdragon X1E-80-100
• TDP: 23 W
• Clock Speed: Up to 4.0 GHz (Turbo Boost)
• GPU Performance: 3.8 TFLOPS
• NPU Performance: 45 TOPS
Snapdragon X1E-84-100
• TDP: 23 W (base), can boost up to 80 W
• Clock Speed: Up to 4.2 GHz (Turbo Boost)
• GPU Performance: 4.6 TFLOPS
• NPU Performance: 45 TOPS
Something between minisforum v3 and Samsung ultra tablet style would be nice. Power to game and can go low power draw for video playback and web surfing. Just up tdp and connect controller to jump into steam games.
Also would like to see low power nas entry one day. To compete with n100 and the like
A 90 watt 4070 will be perfect with this chip.
Oh for sure. I have an ARM NAS with those little A55 cores. This would be a HUGE upgrade.
Now we have to keep an eye out for the MediaTek chip coming out soon. They're rumored to be partnering with NVIDIA.
My guess is, we might see systems with "integrated graphics" (the mali gpu), and better support at launch for mobile RTX parts.
NVIDIA won't want Qualcomm to get TOO much of a lead on the consumer space.
samsung updated their site. its the 80 and 84 flavor chips
Does it have upgradable storage.
The Samsung doesn't. The others MIGHT. Only Microsoft so far lists replaceable SSD.
i was thinking the samsung book 4 edge called to me the most having a samsung phone, i feel they would play really good together similar to their phone/tablet system. but that asus is looking really stellar at the price. hmmm..
I totally get people wanting things to match, but I'm personally NOT an "ecosystem" kinda guy. The fact that Samsung is likely soldering in storage at the highest price for 16GB of RAM is very concerning to me on a high performance notebook.
@@SomeGadgetGuy i can see the concern for sure. though personally ive never really needed more than 1tb so i think in my usecase its a nonissue and more just a point. the 16gb ram is an interesting compromise. i need to decide if the samsung ecosystem is important to me or 32gb of ram i guess.
I try to push back against the idea that something like a laptop should be as "disposable" as an iPhone.
Like my Steam Deck, when I want more storage, I should be able to swap the SSD in a machine that MSRP is over $2000 IMO.
Good insight sir thank you for sharing. The Samsung Edge is looking good indeed but some design decisions definitely make me wanna go with other manufacturers. Especially Microsoft who have done such a good job with quality feel
@@juancardona2213 im considering the surface laptop still but not knowing which chip they are using and IPS display is a downer for me. still looking through all the options. im wondering if the 78 x elite chip may end up better paired with 32gb of RAM than the 84 chip and 16gb RAM like was mentioned in this video. it's a very good point.
Chip version for each announced X Elite laptop:
• Microsoft Surface Pro 11: Snapdragon X1E-
84-100
• Microsoft Surface Laptop 7: Snapdragon
X1E-84-100
• Dell XPS 13 (2024): Snapdragon X1E-84-100
• Dell Inspiron 14 Plus: Snapdragon X1E-80-
100
• Dell Inspiron 14: Snapdragon X1E-78-100 U
• Dell Latitude 7455: Option for either
Snapdragon X1E-84-100 or X1E-80-100
• Dell Latitude 5455: Snapdragon X1E-80-100
• HP OmniBook X AI PC: Snapdragon X1E-78-
100
• HP EliteBook Ultra G1q Al PC: Snapdragon
X1E-84-100
• Acer Swift 14 Al: Snapdragon X1E-78-100
• Lenovo Yoga Al PCs: Snapdragon X1E-84-
100
• Lenovo ThinkPad Al PCs: Snapdragon X1E-
84-100
Source: Bing AI
Interesting. I saw the report from Microsoft's 3rd party benchmark test that the Surface was going to use the 80, not the 84. We'll have to see which actually ships.
@@SomeGadgetGuy Indeed. But someone needs to back the claimed 58% sustained performance lead over M3, and that can only be achieved with the 84 version, and since that claim was made on stage my Microsoft, then it would be expected at least some models of the Surface come with that version...
THat's what we need to see. Microsoft paid for Signal65 to do "3rd party" testing, and they say it's the 80. So, hopefully, the 80 variant can match those claims.
I don't consider snapdragon elite x isn't built for gaming 😕😔
ram is never soldered in soc..only cache in in soc
Totally splitting hairs. I just mean the package is like the M series, where it's all mounted together attached to the SOC, and not like older abominations where the ram was mounted farther off on a separate part of the board and soldered there (and it could have been removable).
I hate how I want one of these so bad but I need 64 Gigs of RAM and an i5 level tier of CPU performance. Those almost never exist so I have to go heavier in both compute and weight
And right now, you only have the Surface offering 64GB.
Need high end samsung tablets with snapdragon X series
Want this so bad in android and chrome os...
The reason why Samsung says its discounted is because you get a tv with your laptop. So the price of laptop and tv would be arpund 1800 but you get a tv for free so its 1400$
Yeah I caught that from a comment after shooting it. COMPLETELY missed the tv deal. Did it live LOL.
It's still not a great look that Samsung is still selling one of the most expensive versions of this config, and not allowing for storage upgrades.
@@SomeGadgetGuy True. But for me, who is in high school and doesn't have a lot of money, it's perfect😆
But wouldn't you want to buy a comparable laptop for less then?
I would go with a microsoft surface laptop with snapdragon x plus 512, the problem is that it costs $290 going from 256 to 512gb here in Denmark which is obviously ridiculous
Storage prices are RIDICULOUS. I'm more worried about the RAM. I'd be ok getting base model storage and then upgrading later.
rigtig nok, det sgu lidt mærkeligt, men hvis man kan gå op på 512 gb senere så er det vel fint nok
@@DannY-oz3hq det kan man godt. min plan er at købe base model snapdragon x plus, også købe en 1tb m.2 2230 ssd som jeg kan bruge til opgradere (køber nok en corsair mp600 mini, koster ca. 700kr). personligt har jeg ikke brug for alt den kræft som x elite modellen giver
@@DannY-oz3hq så også nogle af dine andre kommentarer, det faktisk relativt nemt at skifte SSD ud i surface laptop. det eneste du skal bruge er en specifik skruetrækker en youtube video og måske 30 minutters tid
@@fort6564 har bare aldrig prøvet og selv rode med sådan noget men det lyder sgu meget fornuftigt, man sparrer i hvert fald ret meget
Any serious AI development task with unified soldered memory -> 64 GB. Absolute minimum is 32 GB.
Yeah. I know a lot of folks were making fun of phones getting 12+ gigs of RAM, but AI EATS RAM. If these models really become popular on future devices, it's going to ratchet obsolescence for current phones and PCs.
I beg for this to become M4 with actual gaming!
The 8CXg3 was better at actual PC gaming than anyone ever gave it credit for. These first x elite systems aren't "gaming" machines, but they should be able to outpace portable consoles.
@@SomeGadgetGuy ROG Ally replacement?!?! Yes please!
DUDE! I want that so bad. We've made huge improvements in Proton support for the Steam Deck. We HAVE to believe game devs will want to support the ARM GPUs in these new Windows Machines.
PLUS, they might not have to work that hard with MediaTek joining forces with NVIDIA for their X Elite competitor. We could just get a traditional RTX GPU.
@@SomeGadgetGuy i think it would be truley next gen if we can get 4-5 hours away from the wall gaming
Do you think the AI in these are kinda gimmicky at this stage?
It depends on what you call AI. The server side stuff, or the local stuff.
Things like subject detection in photos is really mature now. We had OLD Huawei phones with Kirin chips that could "recognize" subjects like pets and landscapes. Now we see that has evolved to editing photos, blurring backgrounds, and removing objects from pictures. That stuff, done locally, I think is kinda fun and helpful.
This other stuff though, like logging everything you do so you can "rewind" at the OS level is a little concerning.
I think we're cresting the peak of interest in AI. The next phase of making LLMs better is going to be horrifically expensive and terrible for the environment, and we still don't see a clear path for turning profits out of these expenses. It's just shareholder and investor bait now. Like NFTs.
Ngl, Seeing what Microsoft had to offer and how they treated Qualcomm as an AI baseball bat. I don't see this taking off.
Seeing what Microsoft is doing to Windows had already made me switch to Ubuntu on my Legion laptop.
And why hasn't Microsoft done any work on a gaming or media machine since windows XP? Steam is SO much nicer on a portable console.
;( it can't game properly. I ll just wait for next gen snapdragon x.
That's a shame. I'm playing a lot of fun games on my less powerful ARM PC.
@@SomeGadgetGuyI have to agree with the commenter. Most games of the last 20 years runs on amd/nivida gpus
Most games of the last 20 years run on "a GPU". Could be Radeon. Could be RTX. Could be Iris or ARC. Could be Adreno or Mali.
Gamers are kinda the worst at this, because they don't really keep up with things that are different than what they're familiar with and already like.
The LAST gen Snapdragon PC chip (8CXg3) was roughly as powerful as an 11th gen core i3 when emulating X86 software, but even it could drive Control at 20fps under the lowest settings. X Elite is SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful than that.
It's OK to still prefer building HEDT and gaming rigs for your play sessions, but also appreciate these chips will outperform the AMD APU portable consoles at similar power draw.
It's not about outright performance. It's about performance per watt.
Think I'll stick with x86 for the next several years. Better prices, serviceable, supported apps and multiple de-bloating/de-spyware tools available. Wow MS, an extra thousand notes for a better CPU, an extra 16gb RAM & 512GB storage, one a device with only 1 usb-c port.
Asus for best ports
Samsung for better quality and X1E-80-100 instead of X1E-78-100 on the other laptops they give u a free 50" screen too
But the most expensive price for a 16GB RAM config, and UFS storage that probably can't be upgraded.
I wish there was a Surface Pro Elite Plus OLED Fanless option. Guess imma wait until next year and stick with my Surface Pro X (SQ1). Maybe buy an SQ3 5G when it’s on sale.
I really hoped they would refresh the Pro X. With the focus on windows on arm now we will profit from this hype anyway. Surface Pro 11 is 2mm thicker and more than 100gr heavier then the 5 year old Pro X. That's insane. 🤬
32GB RAM, 80chip, 1TB + SD
Who offers that with OLED 10Bit?
They should make a desktop also 😂
Playing with so many mini PC's, i HAVE to believe that's coming soon.
I need Microsoft to stay committed to ARM
Why do people say "stay committed" when they've been actively supporting and improving ARM support since the Surface X.
I'm not trying to pick on you, but at this point, it's just Windows. You're basically saying "I hope Microsoft stays committed to Windows". 😄
I sure hope Microsoft stays committed to Windows 11!
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Samsung just made the most ridiculous version of the Arm on windows pc. Definitely not worth it compared to the rest at all.
I was a bit disappointed with that config, yeah...
The fact that the AI built in is taking screenshots of your desktop every time you click on something is a big no from me, Windows pushing me to learn Linux or switch to Mac. Huge invasion of privacy, and no I don’t trust them when they say “it’s local on the computer” it’s not like Microsoft hasn’t lied in the past.
It's the only way forward though. We want this stuff done locally, and when they make that promise, that means we have better ammunition to take a case to a regulator. When a company transgresses, we need to activate consumers and get them communicating to the DoJ, FTC, FCC, and State Attorneys General. Nothing happens if we just complain on social media.
When we improve local processing, like making predictive text and transcription happen on device, it does make our info more secure. We just have to fight all the extra monetization BS, and "sending analytics" nonsense back up to company servers.
snapdragon X Elite 🚀 🚀
LETS GO!
Slim 7x is the only right answer.
I wasn't expecting that to be as competitive as it was.
i want that arm laptop without that AI crap.. let my windows be the platform it is meant to be.. Just a slimmed down OS for my programs and data / folders .. no need to fancy out with too much ai.. let AI be, where it is useful, like finding pictures, or sorting data.. i dont want to be notified about everything constantly
We'll have to see how much we can disable, but if these find some success, we'll also see a bigger push to get this hardware in shape for Linux.
where is ethernet
So so excited! Now i can finally rid myself of apples ecosystem completely! Lol.
It's just getting started too. Next up we gotta see what Mediatek is gonna do with NVIDIA for their ARM chip.
@SomeGadgetGuy So stoked about this new era of Microsoft PCs. I just wish the distributors were more upfront about which version of the X Elite/ Plus chip they're giving us like you pointed out.
I wrote directly to Qualcomm after that San Diego trip, and said I was worried about the consumer education part. Folks got a LITTLE familiar with Intel and AMD calling things "3 series" 5, 7, 9. The bigger number is better.
They're not going to know what the heck to make out of "X1E-80-100 ", and that's only if the manufacturers even give us that information.
Qualcomm PR never replied.
$130 DOOOLLLLANS for 1TB???????
Damn, $70 cheaper than Apple's 512GB lol
Yeah that's brutal. They're all going after the MacBook air.
Go from 8GB to 16GB of RAM is $200, and 512 to 1TB is another $200.
No fucking way... I'd take an Apple M chip
Should got Best Buy free 50 tv 😂
LOL I REALLY don't need another TV in this house 😅
SGGuy... are you related to Dan Bongino? :) maybe a little smarter
Huh. I didn't know who that was. I kinda see it. Usually people think I look like Chris Reid.
@SomeGadgetGuy a good guy to know about, especially in this day and age. He took over for/was awarded the Rush Limbaugh time-slot. Ex Secret Service guy but down to earth.
Thank you for your information btw. Trying to upgrade my old 10+y.o. laptops with something that can handle stuff. Getting tired of waiting for my PC to boot... sometimes 20-30 mins. Not very productive. Mini pc formfactors look inviting
If you value your data I’d avoid this like the plague. Just waiting for the law suits that will likely follow as privacy gets breached.
Here's the deal. If we want good hardware with good power/performance metrics, we're unfortunately tied to this dumb new wave of AI. But seeing as how Qualcomm is upstreaming drivers and linux support (and just released an experimental build of Debian) we kinda HAVE to hope these systems sell decently well enough for those of us that want alternatives to get them.
I wont do it right at launch, but a Linux install is HIGH on my list of priorities to test.
@@SomeGadgetGuy I still wouldn’t tough it with a barge poll. I think you’ll see more and more manufacturers move to ARM it just makes sense, as they use way less power. I’m sure Microsoft have just painted a huge bulls eye on themselves, law firms and hackers will wait a year then pounce. Having AI locally is fine, taking screen shots crossed the line.
@@SomeGadgetGuy I will be here to watch your Linux installation!
I'm one of many people who are already experiencing Linux on ARM...by means of running it on my M1 Mac Mini via Asahi Linux.
I'm hoping Microsoft doesn't goof it all up by locking down Windows such that we not allowed to run it on these wonderful Snapdragon X Elites.
Yes...I handled installing Linux on my M1 well enough thanks to Hector Martin and his team , but I'm hoping it won't prove too difficult...or impossible...to it on these new Qualcomm chips.
The base for laptops now is 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD. So, they shouldn't be marking price for X Elite ones with all they claimed to be more than $1,000.
Simple as that.
It is way overpriced now. Better stick with x86 for a year or two until they know their dumbs*it mind to even price so high to these laptops just barking battery backup and AI alone. They want Macbook level price while their hardware build quality is like $400 laptop.
I mean that's not true, and the performance per watt is something Intel can't touch right now, but I'm sure it feels good to have the "hot take" against whatever is new these days.
Yawn… already on arm for 4 years, it’s called a Mac! But looking forward to these, not for the desktop/laptop, but for the mini PCs and NAS motherboards to use for servers that will follow soon afterwards!
Yup. And your mac wont get any better without good competition, see also how underwhelming the M3 launch was...
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Im so mad I bought the Book 4 Pro from Samsung and they drop this, an obviously more powerful one. But I'm curious, why price it to be more epensive than the ultra? Are they saying its more powerful than the Ultra with its rtx 40 series????
Knowing Samsung, probably not. Just pricing the "new" thing more because it's new.
I would not buy any Windows laptop until I see them compared to Apple M4 laptops. I am especially interested in efficiency and battery life.