Our bilge floods with water in the middle of the night! E65
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- Our bilge floods with water in the middle of the night. We travel from St Augustine to Cocoa Village, with a stop near Daytona. We drop the hook in the Indian River and take the dinghy ashore. We spend the night visiting German and Italians restaurants and exploring the waterfront.
Hi guys,I bought my first boat 1973 a searay 195 my last yacht was a bertram 42,I sold it 2007 and your videos bring back old times, there is nothing better than being out with your own island,I like the way you solve most problems,I was the same,I wish you two a great time in the future and enjoy life. Bye
Thanks for watching. We agree. We love being out on the boat.
There should be backflow valves on those lines so water never flows (siphons) back into the boat. Lucky catch and thanks for sharing this episode in boating.
Sounds like an internal anti back flow hung up until you moved the pump.
like 6 months I didnt check your channel ! I did today !! they are as good as usual !! GodSpeed Capt ..!
Thanks!
I am surprised there are no bilge alarms to signal incoming water. Great catch Lyn especially for being alert enough in the middle of the night to hear the bilge running steady. Hopefully you will have working bilge alarms just above every bilge pump.
Keep living my dreams and I will keep enjoying your videos!
Thanks for all you do.
We are not sure why the alarm did not go off. The water did get high enough to run into the compartment under our engine that is not meant to get wet. We plan to install and anti-siphon valve. We have them on all the heads.
Your video demonstrates the necessity of yacht owners knowing more than how to operate their vessels. Technical expertise is invaluable. Thank you for sharing your adventures and experience with the “world.” From Central Illinois, I live vicariously through your posts.
Thanks for watching. We are glad you enjoy the videos. It is definitely a necessity to have some technical knowledge. Especially if you plan to go out to sea.
Ship's captain + ship's chief engineer + mechanic, etc., etc. Great job!
Thanks!
Happy Mothers day Ed...LoL ... and it was that darn Roger messing with the plumbing be safe, Tim and Cat
Mothers day was May 12th. Fathers day was June 16th.
@@gbowne1 was commenting on his speech that it was mothers day and he would have the video up in 2 weeks.... LoL
I thinking Roger has been siphoning my fuel as well. It just seems to disappear!
Good video guys. Have fun say high to Gentle Jack...or if things are bad look for Old Crow lol
Thanks for watching! Thinking about some Captain right now!
No fun getting woke up in the middle of the night and needing to fix a bilge problem. Looks like your having a great time and I hope the weather has been cooperating for you. Happy sailing.
The weather has been almost perfect. Especially in the Bahamas.Thanks for watching!
Beautiful boat looks like your having fun👍🍺
Yes we are. Thanks!
Great video guys. First time seeing your channel and really enjoyed watching. You seem to be very friendly and humble people. The area you visited is where I do most of my boating, hope to see you on the water some day
Thanks for watching, See you on the water!
One of the things I reworked on my boat. I raised all the the discharge thruholes to several inches above the water line. This required a decent amount of glass work but it's worth it. I have never liked discharges at the water line or below.
It never occurred to me that full tanks might make us list like that and cover the thru hole. We plan to install and anti-siphon valve. We have them on all the heads.
@@tryingnottosink9107 things happen. Just glad you caught it while it was just an inconvenience.
Mother’s Day! Really. Y’all must be busy!
I love when you explain these complicated systems. Very informative and great to know you know that stuff and not just out on the water having a good time. I imagine a lot of people on the water are in a panic when things aren’t going as planned.
We were in a bit of a panic as well. Not too much, since we were tied up at a marina! 😁
Another great Video!! I just love this channel and watching your adventures.
Thanks. We are glad you like the videos!
Love St. Augustine!! Try to get there at least 2x a year from SRQ. Check valves on all your thru hulls.
Interesting situation but simple physics for sure....and awareness of the importance of one way valves. Now if you could just figure out the mystery of the squeeking wipers 😝
We solved the wipers - the linkage needed to be oiled! 😁
I used to be in this area for a few years. I would recommend getting fuel at Halifax municipal marina in Daytona. One cheaper, but they turn more fuel so it's not sitting. I got gas once at Inlet Harbor and 4.5 years later wishing I had never done it. I feel I got the bottom of the tank in February when we had a warm spell. City marinas for me when ever there is a choice which means just better planning. Inlet Harbor and Down the Hatch were always great for food. Disappearing Island just by the inlet is a great place to mingle. Better watch for shoaling as it moves. Enjoy your travels.
We only spent the night at Inlet Harbor. We had a great time at the restaurant at the marina, but we were in a hurry to get to Ft. Lauderdale. We had to clean our racors twice on the way down because of dirty fuel (or tanks)
Family friend lost his boat in a similar fashion. He'd never had his tanks loaded to the max before, but that one time he did fill up made him sit low enough that he started taking on water.
Glad you guys were onboard to catch it in time
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We were lucky to be on board as well.
So sad that I missed you guys here in Cocoa. We live in High Point, on the Indian River north of the 528 Hwy bridge! That’s north of the village where you guys stopped. That’s the 520 bridge. Next year! I did see your FB post that you were here back then, but we weren’t able to be there to see you!
Hopefully next year. We will be passing by again next May for sure.
Greetings again from the Great Barrier Reef, Australia. Unfortunately, health problems got in the way of my 2019 trip back to Newtown, Should be OK for 2020. Love your videos.
Chris.
Thanks for watching mate! We are glad you enjoy the videos. We will be posting many more soon.
You might want to consider a vented loop, or a siphon break in that line or any hose like that. Most heads use vented loops on inlet and outlet lines, Fair Winds - Doug on WS42 Harmony
We plan to install and anti-siphon valve. We have them on all the heads.
@@tryingnottosink9107 Keep up the great vids!
Always so nice to follow you on your journey. Best wishes and have a beautiful summer. From Jan in Norway
Thanks for watching. We are glad you enjoy the videos! Many more to come over the next few months.
Wow crazy intro!! Impressive
Glad the problem was solved. A very analytical mind ed has. Love you both and wish only smooth cruising.
Thanks! And thanks for watching!
great videos let us know if your ever in Jax, FL!
Ed on my Hatteras there are some bilge pumps that don't have loops in them and they indeed did put check valves in them. I've had them go bad so I would chase the hose and verify so that doesnt happen again particularly in a big storm or something.
There were none on the main bilge pumps. We plan to install and anti-siphon valve. We have them on all the heads.
@@tryingnottosink9107 I added an extra bilge pump in all 4 bilges. My heads were all converted to fresh water
Hi guys,.. enjoyed the videos. As a production person here’s a couple of friendly notes. (I would have made them privately but I could find an email.). Make your intro shorter. TH-cam viewers have limited attention spans. 15 seconds max. Some narration at the beginning gives a new viewer all the info they need to know about you. If you’re using Premier Pro for post I would suggest using auto color correct to help with color changes caused by lighting. Not a big thing but does give it a more polished feel.
Again, love the channel and the Hatteras. My comments are given because I like what you’re doing. Enjoy your sailing and stay safe on the water.
Thanks for the suggestions. We currently use Hit Film. We are slowly improving our videos. It is always a matter of balance quality, versus how much time we want to dedicate to filming and editing. I recently shorted our intro to 50 seconds (it was 65). Any shorter and we will need a new theme song, so it will probably wait until next year. Now that we are back home, we will have a little more time to put the videos together.
Tip: 2 cycle Detroits need a lubricant additive to replace the sulpher lubricant that was removed when they went to low sulpher diesel. I have pair of DDEC 8V 92s and add Stanadyne lubricant but there are a few others out there.
I never heard of that before. We always use low ash oils, like Delos 100.
Hey Ed, I've just found your channel and I really love it! So thanks from a new subscriber. I'm preparing for a new adventure myself, I'm refurbishing a 1970 wood trawler. When she's done I plan on traveling the east coast and if I get adventurous enough maybe trying the Caribbean or Bahamas! I'm doing this to avoid the cold Connecticut winters. Aside from boating, I love birds and have always had smaller ones like Conures and Meyers parrots. I am now lonely again and was thinking about getting an African Grey. I was wondering if you might consider doing a video about having your bird on the boat and a little bird intro and informational. If you've already done this I apoligixe I'm going to start going through your videos from the beginning today and see how far I get. Till then thanks for the very entertaining and enlightening video!! And getting me hooked on them!!!
Thanks for watching. We are glad you enjoy the videos. It is a good idea to do a video about having a bird on board. Lyn is excited about doing it. Although, we will probably wait until we catch up on the travel videos.
Good problem solving. Well done.
Thanks!
There is a fitting called a syphon break that you should consider fitting to you bilge line, if not try a one way valve at the pump. Plastic domestic versions work best.
We are planning to add siphon breaks on all bilges this winter.
I agree can you add check valves to those lines
I have tree bilge pumps in the engine compartment and one under the caving and i always keep an eye om them.
Should have an anti siphon valved on top of the upper most bend on the pipe that spills out through the hull. Glad to hear you solved the problem though.
We plan to install and anti-siphon valve. We have them on all the heads.
Just curious, wouldn't an Anti-siphon valve at the top of the loop solve your problem? That would provide a siphon break and hopefully prevent any backflow siphoning. Just a thought, I'm not a marine engineer, just an old plumber. Good luck and great vids. You are living my dream, thanks for taking us along.
We plan to install and anti-siphon valve. We have them on all the heads. We are surprised they are not on all the bilge pumps.
Along with check valves, it sounds like it may be time for a high water alarm in the bilge just in case Lyn doesn't wake up to catch it. I had no idea you had a Facebook page, will go check it out too! Y'all take care now, ya hear
We plan to install and anti-siphon valve. We have them on all the heads. We are also looking into finding out why the alarm did not go off.
@@tryingnottosink9107 Wish you the best.
You should be able to get a check valve or an anti-syphon fitting for the bilge lines to prevent that syphon situation in the future. I enjoy watching your videos, keep trying not to sink! ;-) *Edit* Guess I should have read the many other comments to the same effect before posting.... LOL
We plan to install and anti-siphon valve. We have them on all the heads.
calm ness under pressure. good job:
WOW that was lucky you sorted the Problem of your title in the Vlog might have been very true trying not to Sink lol Great Vlogs love them I don't do facebook but it's ok happy to wait for the vlogs
Thanks for watching! Our title is always our main objective! 😁
Q: why is there no Check valve = Stainless steel check valve on the system as i have seen other boats have the same trouble with that hose if it falls down allowing water to flow back inside the ship ????????? Does not sound like a good system if this can happen?.
We plan to install and anti-siphon valve. We have them on all the heads.
I realize its been a year plus since the water in the bilge adventure and as such have you had any more issues? Also did you put in anti syphon valves and most importantly an alarm? Thank you and be safe.
We do have bilge alarms. I have added some anti-syphon vales but still need to add a couple more. It is only an issue if I let my holding tanks get full, which causes the boat to list and submerge the through-hole.
Great video, I do find the editing/quality has gone up, especially like your explaining of issues that come up and the resolution, well done, safe passage guys!
Thanks for watching. We are trying to do a little better job with the editing this year. It is just a matter of how much time we can afford to put in. I always feel that they are abandoned, rather than finished.
Well at least we know Ed is still rocking a full head of hair!!! lol. Great vid ! Also, the schematics made me wonder, have you done a boat tour, I didn't realize you guys had a crew quarters.
Still brown too! The beard is another matter. We did a tour video two years ago. It is on our channel somewhere.
I think I would put a shut off after the pump to prevent that from happening again love the videos guys glad y'all didn't sink it could have been bad quick
We plan to install and anti-siphon valve. We have them on all the heads.
There are those check valves that will prevent water from going the wrong direction in a tube. You might want to put them as close to all the outlets of each bilge pump
We plan to install and anti-siphon valve. We have them on all the heads.
Do you have a separate high water bilge alarm? I always thought it was superfluous - until one day it started buzzing....
We have one, but I do not know if it works. 'll have to test it.
Hi from Perth Australia. Enjoying your videos very interesting. 1 question for you do you have fresh air circulating in the engine room. Keep up the good work
There are 4 foot long vents on each engine room wall.
I wish to see more video of the African Grey please...'👍😊😊
I had the same issue on my sailboat. I was underway by myself when I noticed water filling the bilge to the floor! The pump emptied it out, but it came right back in. I was aware of the siphon possibility and my drain was under the transom, so I went on the bow to try and raise the stern out of the water. Nothing worked. I ran back to the marina letting friends know I had a problem. They stood by and when the boat was in it's slip and not underway the problem went away! I think because I was stressed out I never stopped moving towards the marina, and therefore nothing I did got the fitting above the water line long enough to clear the siphon. I did have a back flow fitting in the line, but obviously that didn't help. It did rattle, so I figured it worked. Never had the same problem again??? Sure got my heart rate going!
It was definitely exciting to wake up to a flooding bilge! We plan to install and anti-siphon valve. We have them on all the heads.
Hi Guys, we had similar ventilation problem in our Back Head at Pegasus. We change the ventilation Unit what solve the proplem. Good Voyage wish capt. Wiki from Finland
Thanks for watching. We plan to install and anti-siphon valve. We have them on all the heads, but not the bilges.
can a check valve be installed on the bilge discharge line to prevent backflow or will that cause other problems?
We plan to install and anti-siphon valve.
Check the prop shaft seal and all the thru halls.
When the prop isn't turning the shaft can leak more then when it is running.
We just replaced all the shaft seals. They are good. It was a siphon problem.We plan to install and anti-siphon valve. We have them on all the heads.
I am glad you found the problem.
I love this video, very informative. I am now at the stage of waiting for my money to come in from something I can't post public about, still doing research. Along my research I found that you MIGHT be able too [well as long as you don't list or sit TOO LOW that is] you can buy fuel bladders and place them on desk and add more fuel capacity to be under weigh. I am not sure how much you can add to it but I wanted to share my research.
As for my project, I am VERY interested in an older 60-ish foot Hatteras LRC (This was part of your comment back to me some time back). I will most ;likely want something with some room on top to maybe put some solar panels on it when the time comes. I don't think I'll need to know any broker information just yet though as it can still be about 6 more months or longer to get the money and I can't start shopping till that is in place.
Thanks for the wonderful videos and please if you have any feed back at all, I want to hear it. Very unsafe on the ocean so safety first :)
Still MUCH more to learn, I got the time on this... and HAPPY you are all okay and once I am closer I would love to consult with you more at some point though if you have the time or wish to become involved.
Phoenix Myers , Read your post with interest about waiting for something to come in. I’ve got a feeling we are waiting right along with you for the same thing.....I subscribed to your site......Are u 4b?
@@coreymesenbrink6190 Well Ty, I am very new and still researching things, probably for 6 months to another year, Trying Not To Sink has been a wonderful inspiration and I enjoy their videos frequently. As far as 4b, I am not sure what you mean, again I am very new to this community and have not even started yet! :)
Phoenix Myers , Thought A went already. Can you discuss more via email?
@@coreymesenbrink6190 I cannot discuss the financial aspects as its apart of an agreement I signed but if I can answer sure.
@@coreymesenbrink6190 I think you may have misunderstood and thats fine Ty though for your interest. Have a wonderful day! :)
You could add a anti-siphon device in the top of the loop the will break the siphon . If someone put high loop in pump line they were obviously you’re paranoid over siphon would be lil extra layer of protection against the issue you had Party on
We plan to install and anti-siphon valve. We have them on all the heads.
Just found your series. I might be addicted. How long was it before you became comfortable leaving the boat on the hook and taking the dinghy into town?
We are never completely comfortable. The first time was about 1 week after owning the boat. We only leave it for a few hours while we go to town for drinks, dinner or supplies. We have left it for a week tied to a mooring ball though.
I was about to comment about "check valves" for the bilge pumps. I see about 100 people already beat me to it.
What is the thing that Gumby is riding on?
A 110 volt plug. I think the previous owners may have had a monitor mounted there.
You need a siphon break valve at the top of the bilge loop.
We plan to install and anti-siphon valve. We have them on all the heads.
Huge boat and that is the access they give you 🤦♂️ must be very frustrating trying to work like that
Only if you knew. That Hatteras is as good as it gets for accessibility.
My Carver is much worse! Actually, I wish they removed the hallway and made one large engine room. I would rather have a sprial staircase in the main cabin that goes to the salon.
Wow ,,You guys really were trying not to sink. Maybe put a check valve inline.
I don't like them on bilge lines, they have the potential to freeze in winter.
Put a ball valve in line. Only open it when you want to use the old pumps.
You don't put a check valve on bilge pumps.
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We plan to install and anti-siphon valve. We have them on all the heads.
Bilge alarm ?
Did not go off. I need to check it and possible replace.
That name is a great name. just found your channel.
Are there no check valves on your pumps? Or are the valve seats gone?
No there isn't. We plan to install and anti-siphon valve. We have them on all the heads.
Do you have a bilge alarm?
We do. Apparently, it does not work!
Gosh - 2 observations come to mind regarding your bilge situation and both call for some added corrective actions on your end. If indeed your main bilge pumps barely kept up with the water inflow from old "backup" bilge line that was syphoning water in, then I suspect that your main bilge pump is horribly undersized to handle a real leak. Consider increasing your primary bilge pump capacity significantly and remember that anything in the discharge line of the pump reduces its pumping capacity dramatically. Increasing pump capacity may affect your wiring size and circuit breaker rating on the bilge pumps, so you need to think beyond the pump itself. I'd also address the inflow situation post haste. Rather than simply leaving the old bilge piping that discharges into your sea chest(s) "as is", I'd want to do something that ensured that you never had a syphon event again - ever. While some argue that a check valve would work, check valves are notorious for getting fouled and leaking. I'd much rather put in a vented loop which is designed to break any syphon action when/if it occurs.
We plan to install and anti-siphon valve or a vented loop. We have them on all the heads. I am surprised that they were not already there. The main bilge did keep up, but not by much. Between the siphon and the back flow from the main pump, it was only about 15 seconds between the pump turning on. The main pump also does not have a siphon.
@@tryingnottosink9107 Absolutely on the anti-siphon valve ... but consider your main sump pump capacity as well. Are you happy with a main pump that can (barely) handle a siphoned stream based on your own observation? You've got an "oldish" boat and things will fail over time. Imagine if you lost a fitting or a seal below the water line. How about if you broke a SW cooling line on the engine or the genset? Would water come in at the (controlled?) (modest?) rate of the siphoned stream or is there a chance it would be a meaningful faster water flow? You do lots of off-shore cruising so that means that you need to be self-reliant until you troubleshoot your issues. Think thru your likely (possible) casualty conditions and make sure that your sump pump can handle them 'til you can troubleshoot them and shut them off. On boats, whenever I find a problem, I err on the side of being overly cautious on the "fix". Happy sailing.
What do you think about Fleming Motor yachts.
I have and opportunity to get a Fleming 65 Nice yacht. Its 2011
I have always heard very good things about Fleming. I have only been on one, and we liked it very much.
@@tryingnottosink9107 Tjank you
Is there a vacuum break in your loop above the water line? Should be - They can fail.
We plan to install and anti-siphon valve. We have them on all the heads.
On the bulge you need a one way valve so water goes out and not comes in
Northerndj Check valves on bilge pumps, not a good idea. Can cause air lock, rendering pumpI inoperable when you need it most. Bilge pump outlet should exit hull above the highest normal water line with an upward loop to prevent water ingress with no valves or other obstructions.
We plan to install and anti-siphon valve. We have them on all the heads.
Answer my message or not it’s all good, I understand completely. I just wish that I still had my boat and wasn’t fighting this disease that I’m fighting. I’m glad to see you enjoying life the way you are because you never know when the Devil will strike. Love your videos.
Thanks for watching. We are happy you like the videos. We plan to post many more over the coming months.
Get silicone wiper blades to get rid of that squeaking noise.
It turned out to be the motors making the noise.
Where do you buy your shirts at? Love the white Pirate looking one?
There is a store in St. Augustine we go to, and also another one in Tarpon Springs, Florida. I do not remember the names of the shops.
Well a siphon would run like a facet. Put in check valves.
Life is trying not to sink.
Need to add anti-siphon check valves to all the pump outlets! Should have been installed by the Manufacturer .
Steve Tadlock This is totally correct. This wouldn’t have happened with an anti siphon valve in place.
@@Rockabuy2002 Our 32 GB, 42 Ocean Alexander and 50 Mickelson Sportfisher all had check valves!
We plan to install and anti-siphon valve. We have them on all the heads.
what's your avg speed while underway?
10 knots
Shouldn't there be a check valve on the pump? I'd put a check valve on the outlet pipe to back up the pump.
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There should have been a syphon valve, which we have since added.
Siphon break and move the bilge drain significantly above the water level.
We plan to install and anti-siphon valve. We have them on all the heads.
Backflow valves reduce flow, in both directions and are unreliable, what should be in place at the highest point of the loop is a vent (Scott vented loops out of Ft. Lauderdale have always worked for me) as this allows air in the hose to break the syphon. just a bent over hose never works properly
That is what we installed.
I would have thought a one way valve on the bilge pump would be the simple answer to this problem which, without one, has surely got to be a fairly common occurrence.
We plan to install and anti-siphon valve. We have them on all the heads.
Excellent. It’s a bit puzzling it wasn’t there in the first place, but I guess there was only one way you were going to find out!
The yacht is in Steward Florida that's where we are
What is the name and artist of intro song? Thanks!
Jesse Villa "Supernatural"
Where that loop exists the boat is there a seacock
No. It goes out a sea-chest, just above the water line.
When you lifted the pump you let air into the line and broke the siphon.
We plan to install and anti-siphon valve. We have them on all the heads.
Easy fix is to put check valve in line of discharge side
We plan to install and anti-siphon valve.
I would also add just make sure that every time youre full on fuel that the other tanks are empty or almost empty.
We usually empty the holding tanks when we get fuel, but did not do it this time.
@@tryingnottosink9107 wise choice. Ive had midnight emergencies like this. at least you got it sorted out.
What is the song in your intro?
"Supernatural" Jesse Villa
Thank you
never is a good time to flood but better midnight than when your not on board.
That is true!
Why the hell are you constantly turning the wheel? Is that really neccesary.?
On my boat only little moves are enough for the boat to turn.
The upper helm turns the rudder 5 degrees with every rotation. The lower helm turns 10 degrees. Not sure why that is. I use half the motion on the lower helm. Also, Lyn tends to film me on the way into an inlet (following seas and large waves).
Your bridge compass has no fluid left in it.
Not to worry, the bilge pump took care of it...
Apparently.....
We only use the digital compasses. Some day I will have it filled or replaced. It still works though.
In my experience, it's always good to have a non electronic backup for obvious reasons. If you look at a modern aircraft with the all glass cockpits, they always have analog instruments tucked away on some corner of the panel. Operating a compass with out the fluid which lubricates the bearing and damps the compass is not a good long term idea. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :)
The answer is if you turn off a bilge pump you need close the sea cock to that pump, if one doesn’t exist you need to install one.
Stuff always happen when you are sleeping, That's why God made womenfolk to wake up when they hear something out of the norm. Give your first mate a hug !!!
She does that all the time. She is like a watch dog! (don't tell her I said that 😁)
MTS Oceanos was a sea-chest failure.
Hard to believe this problem existed for 40 years without someone fixing it.
Hay Ed I've been watching for a year .why don't you spray some wd40 on them windshield wipers...must drive you crazy.
We do occasionally. It is the left motors assemble. It lasts for a while and comes back. Mostly I use the center wiper and it is quiet.
Boats are not allowed to develop mysterious leaks in broad daylight; I’m fairly sure it’s a law.
That is apparently so!
Time to buy a Power Cat .
Vacuum break like others have said
We plan to install and anti-siphon valve. We have them on all the heads.
Just yesterday I told my wife I'm gonna install a bilge water alarm. Looking at the Water Witch high bulge water alarm. Looking for quality stuff can be hit or miss.
We are looking for one now as well. Not sure why ours did not go off.
@@tryingnottosink9107
I'd also like forward vision sonar. I want to know what's 50 yards ahead. Knowing how deep the water under the boat is of little consequence. It's already too late!
How come no one mentioned check valve😂😂😂😂
We plan to install and anti-siphon valve. We have them on all the heads.
PRIVATE owner want a Cat I have a Power Cat as you know . It is a blue water boat
Wouldn't you rather a sail yacht to save on fuel
No.
I feel like what you save on fuel you spend on lines and sails and pulleys