The way I like to explain filter tracking to people is that is allows the timbre to be more or less consistent between higher and lower notes. Without filter tracking, if the filter is closed somewhat then higher notes, which have more high frequency information, will be more affected by the filter. So it allows for a more natural sound like what you might naturally expect from a pitched instrument.
Bo and Luke, nice job. The Korg Prologue is a classic in the making. Your presentation was top notch and a good walk-thru of many of the features. The pad sounds are smooth, the logistics of the board are straight forward, and the action of the keys very nice. Keep up the great work, gents! A drink to all of my friends. Skål!
I've got this synth, in 8 voice form. It's actually really good. I also have Rev 2, Peak, Deepmind and Minilogue, plus other digital ones and I really like the Prologue. It's good enough for me to not feel the urge to buy a Prophet 6 or OB6, though I will probably pick up the UB-Xa when it emerges.... Granted this synth only has one lfo and no aftertouch, but it does support an expression pedal and for 8 voice VCO polyphony it's the only game in town under £2k and it's £1k, yet it gets stick for supposedly being poor value for money... Go figure... To be fair, I found the generally more highly rated, but only DCO, REV-2 to be MORE limited by it's 8 voice polyphony than the Prologue 8, as all the really good sounding patches are stacked ones, giving you just 4 voices like Minilogue... I noticed voice stealing on the REV-2 8 voice, but not on the Prologue 8.
Regarding the filter key tracking of 0, 50% and 100%, what it actually does it multiply the cutoff frequency by a factor depending on the position of the key you press on the keyboard. Perhaps the easiest way to see how it works is with a self-oscillating filter: set the mix of the VCOs all the way down and set resonance all the way up. With keytracking at 0 all the keys produce the same pitch (determined by the cutoff knob); at 100% the frequency is multiplied by 2 when you go up an octave in the keyboard and divided by 2 when you go down an octave, so you get the standard equal temperament tuning or 12-TET; and at 50% the frequency is multiplied by 2 when you go up 2 octaves and divided by 2 when you go down 2 octaves, so you effectively get the 24-TET tuning (the pitch range of the familiar octave is actually spread over 24 keys, not 12 as usual, and that gives you quarter tones in between the standard notes). So, although the Prologue doesn't yet support microtuning, we can at least get 24-TET like this using the filter as oscillator.
I bought a Prologue from a UK/German store, it detuned, and Korg UK would NOT offer service support for a machine bought in UK but shipped from Germany. Nice. Had no option but to return the keyboard. Repurchased from a UK store, sent an obviously pre-used unit, returned. Sent a replacement without an outer shipping box, of course it was damaged, returned (and contained no manual). So still waiting a month after purchase. Not impressed. Still using my M1 though, bought new in ‘90.
@@ScottGlasgowMusic yes. If you buy a Prologue in March from Korg UK you also get a free SQ-01. If you have a Prologue already sorry no buscuit with your coffee lol.
Does Luke have any sort of channel, as well? He’s really knowledgeable, relatable, and seems genuine ... compared to the other demo videos I’ve seen from Korg, or with Korg reps, he’s an absolute rock star, and I’d love to see him appear more beyond just these Thomann videos.
Roland needs a guy like Luke to demo and promote their awesome gear. They hire these noobs in the US. To promote their flagships and they demo it so poorly. And yet that gear is also wickedly good.
Dang, at 8:10 Luke and Bo are incorrect....you can choose which oscillator the lfo modulates in the program edit mode button 5(the options are ALL, VCO 1+2, VCO 2, Or Multi). This was a huge improvement over the OG Minilogue(which I own). I'm puzzled why Luke didn't say that? Also, hidden features.....so much cool stuff in Program Edit Bo, so much of the cool stuff with the Multi Engine is in Program Edit. Missed opportunity there.
You are ofc correct! I noted this when I got home as the XD has the same option (I think its exactly the same, but can’t compare!). Multi engine we just went over however on the Minilogue XD video. But you are ofc right: a lot of stuff there.
@@BoBeats I'm glad they fixed that in the PL and XD.....it seems like the OG ML is the only one in the logue line that has this omission. I hope Korg sees fit to update the OG ML to have OSC targeting for the LFO. It's a good video though, thank you for putting it out(and thank Korg too). If Korg is listening, this may be a bigger request than the LFO OSC targeting on the OG Minilogue, but I hope they put the sustain and release parameters for the XD filter/pitch EG in the program edit settings in the future. This omission is really keeping me from purchasing the synth. Again, thank you for your video!
JD-XA is in the same price range but it’s far more feature rich with its digital section that really can make gnawing lows and very smooth highs and Mids. If sound design is your priority, than the XD our classes the others. But it’s poorly documented and requires learning.
The Prologue should be the flagship from Korg. But I must consider (iam own a P8) the features lags a lot. Not only there is only one lfo, his routing parameters are limited. No delay for it, only three destinations, only two parallel effects (instead the xd, though both has the same processor), no CV Ins, no step sequencer (like the cheaper XD), no microtuning, even like the XD. So I must confess that I have regretted the purchase.
Some of the 'shortcomings' you mention of the Prologue can be overcome by using hardware like a Digitakt or Digitone to give you an additional LFO, plus other modulation control. You can also send the Prologue output through either of those boxes for extra send effects. Or, if you use Ableton, you can use the Max for Live envelopes and LFO and have a crazy amount of modulation on it. Just look up the MIDI implementation chart, assign the CC value of your choice and voila. I use both of these techniques with various synths like the SE-02 and they would work well with the Prologue.
I feel you, I also have a Prologue 8 and I've been having exactly the same thoughts. I still have some hope for firmware updates, tho.... microtuning should be very easy to add, and I think simultaneous reverb and delay makes sense even with the current panel layout (the rev/del/off switch should be interpreted as selecting the effect that the time and depth knobs are currently assigned to, and should switch both effects off in the off position, and if you want for example only delay with no reverb you can just turn down completly the depth of the reverb). I wish the firmware was open source so we wouldn't depend on Korg good will to implement some improvements...
@HOLODECK PROJECT maybe you should look at what your synth can do more than what it can't do. I could look at a DSI Rev2 and say it only has 2 DCO's and no custom oscillator to continually make new sounds with, it's complicated to understand and has a bit of menu diving, the on board effects are "meh" and generally just keep on digging on what it negative about it instead of looking at how to use it's strengths to create something fantastic. Yes I chose a Prologue 16 over a DSI Rev2 16 but I am quite happy with it. Personally I don't really understand the "let's look what it can't do," mentality as nothing positive comes out of it. "Let's see what I can create with these features," attitude can create wonderful outcomes even on a guitar with one string.
So Bo I sold both my minilogue and monologue to get the prologue. I’ve followed your channel for a while and watched quite a few of your videos. I was blown away by the prologue when I played it. Do you think the minilogue xd is closer in sound to the prologue or minilogue?
There is something strange about the prologue and Korg. A lot of time has passed from its launch, but still there is not a decent in depth review nor tutorial made by competent people in the entire YT (at least I haven't found it yet). Nothing comparable with the material avaible for the minilogue or the new minilogue XD...it seems that korg don't really want to sell this thing...(which, in my opinion, has been underestimated by many, including, just to make an example, the brave guys from Sonicstate)
It is fixed with the latest firmware update (1.3). You just have to remember doing the voice and panel updates after installing the latest firmware. After that, everything is nice and stable. 👍
As a live performer, a sequencer is something I would NEVER use on stage. That's what I use click tracks for. There's just a little too much risk of something going wrong live to use a sequencer in that way. I know there are those who would like the option, but i think some of those sacrifices is what keeps the price of this thing so low. I can see why Korg left it off their performance synth. The XD is definitely the device Korg wants people to use in a studio. You aren't going to use those thin keys in a live setting.
@@billfinch4661 guitar center is showing expected ship date of 4/8/2019. But I think there's already been a few delays. Possibly to confirm the XD doesn't have the tuning issue that has kicked Korg in the pants so much.
@bimguff Thanks. The delay is giving me a chance to look at other models, anyway. I realize they needed to get it out at the big show. My company (scientific instruments) requires product teams to ship within 6 weeks of the public intro, so within April is OK, especially if it comes without killer bugs!
Sounds good but this synth really shit the bed, tons of manufacturing problems, no senqencer, korg wasn't ready to play with the big boys of anolouge so to speak, the pad sounds do sound nice but they could have done a lot more, it's a shame, korg only cares about coming in at the lowest price, if that's your business model then stick to low budget synths, why make a synth for the high budget market if your going to cut corners
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This is the most beautiful synth EVER!
The way I like to explain filter tracking to people is that is allows the timbre to be more or less consistent between higher and lower notes. Without filter tracking, if the filter is closed somewhat then higher notes, which have more high frequency information, will be more affected by the filter. So it allows for a more natural sound like what you might naturally expect from a pitched instrument.
Bo and Luke, nice job. The Korg Prologue is a classic in the making. Your presentation was top notch and a good walk-thru of many of the features. The pad sounds are smooth, the logistics of the board are straight forward, and the action of the keys very nice. Keep up the great work, gents! A drink to all of my friends. Skål!
But there is still a huge mystery about this device from my point of view: WHY THIS BEAUTY DOESN'T CONTAIN A SEQUENCER?????
I've got this synth, in 8 voice form. It's actually really good. I also have Rev 2, Peak, Deepmind and Minilogue, plus other digital ones and I really like the Prologue. It's good enough for me to not feel the urge to buy a Prophet 6 or OB6, though I will probably pick up the UB-Xa when it emerges.... Granted this synth only has one lfo and no aftertouch, but it does support an expression pedal and for 8 voice VCO polyphony it's the only game in town under £2k and it's £1k, yet it gets stick for supposedly being poor value for money... Go figure... To be fair, I found the generally more highly rated, but only DCO, REV-2 to be MORE limited by it's 8 voice polyphony than the Prologue 8, as all the really good sounding patches are stacked ones, giving you just 4 voices like Minilogue... I noticed voice stealing on the REV-2 8 voice, but not on the Prologue 8.
Great demo , sounds like a really excellent synth .
Such videos are very good, because you are exploring the synth for the first time and it is as oneself does it.
Minilogue and now the Prologue. Both awesome. What is your preference?
Regarding the filter key tracking of 0, 50% and 100%, what it actually does it multiply the cutoff frequency by a factor depending on the position of the key you press on the keyboard. Perhaps the easiest way to see how it works is with a self-oscillating filter: set the mix of the VCOs all the way down and set resonance all the way up. With keytracking at 0 all the keys produce the same pitch (determined by the cutoff knob); at 100% the frequency is multiplied by 2 when you go up an octave in the keyboard and divided by 2 when you go down an octave, so you get the standard equal temperament tuning or 12-TET; and at 50% the frequency is multiplied by 2 when you go up 2 octaves and divided by 2 when you go down 2 octaves, so you effectively get the 24-TET tuning (the pitch range of the familiar octave is actually spread over 24 keys, not 12 as usual, and that gives you quarter tones in between the standard notes). So, although the Prologue doesn't yet support microtuning, we can at least get 24-TET like this using the filter as oscillator.
First look reminds me of a synclavier
I bought a Prologue from a UK/German store, it detuned, and Korg UK would NOT offer service support for a machine bought in UK but shipped from Germany. Nice. Had no option but to return the keyboard. Repurchased from a UK store, sent an obviously pre-used unit, returned. Sent a replacement without an outer shipping box, of course it was damaged, returned (and contained no manual). So still waiting a month after purchase. Not impressed. Still using my M1 though, bought new in ‘90.
♥️♥️ that sucks, I feel you. I would have been furious.
Mine tends to detune a lot the first 20 minutes of use. But after that it warms up I guess and stays stable.
BoBeats thanks man, an inspiration.
Pete K isn’t it terrible? Can’t trust third party distributors
Alex Davidson 20mins! You must live life in a zen like state of calm?
How about a KORG SQ-01 sequencer update? That could be a good solution. I am still going Minilogue XD for now.
Scott Glasgow Music Korg uk are offering it free with purchases during March.
@@ScottGlasgowMusic yes. If you buy a Prologue in March from Korg UK you also get a free SQ-01. If you have a Prologue already sorry no buscuit with your coffee lol.
@@DaraM73 cool deal. I already have an SQ-1 and a Minilogue... but will sell it and upgrade to the XD
@@ScottGlasgowMusic Did you end up doing it and enjoying the xd?
@@mikeexits yes XD is excellent!
Love Luke
Does Luke have any sort of channel, as well? He’s really knowledgeable, relatable, and seems genuine ... compared to the other demo videos I’ve seen from Korg, or with Korg reps, he’s an absolute rock star, and I’d love to see him appear more beyond just these Thomann videos.
Luke is amazing!!
Agreed 1000%
Roland needs a guy like Luke to demo and promote their awesome gear. They hire these noobs in the US. To promote their flagships and they demo it so poorly. And yet that gear is also wickedly good.
The Dukes of Hazard?
AT last one who caught it! ;)
Dang, at 8:10 Luke and Bo are incorrect....you can choose which oscillator the lfo modulates in the program edit mode button 5(the options are ALL, VCO 1+2, VCO 2, Or Multi). This was a huge improvement over the OG Minilogue(which I own). I'm puzzled why Luke didn't say that? Also, hidden features.....so much cool stuff in Program Edit Bo, so much of the cool stuff with the Multi Engine is in Program Edit. Missed opportunity there.
You are ofc correct! I noted this when I got home as the XD has the same option (I think its exactly the same, but can’t compare!). Multi engine we just went over however on the Minilogue XD video. But you are ofc right: a lot of stuff there.
@@BoBeats I'm glad they fixed that in the PL and XD.....it seems like the OG ML is the only one in the logue line that has this omission. I hope Korg sees fit to update the OG ML to have OSC targeting for the LFO. It's a good video though, thank you for putting it out(and thank Korg too). If Korg is listening, this may be a bigger request than the LFO OSC targeting on the OG Minilogue, but I hope they put the sustain and release parameters for the XD filter/pitch EG in the program edit settings in the future. This omission is really keeping me from purchasing the synth. Again, thank you for your video!
I'm thinking of getting either this, or a rev2. Do you have any recommendations in this price range? Which do you recommend?
Perseus3248M nice choice to have. The Korg is well constructed, and very very fat in deep sub-harmonics
Novation Peak. Seriously.
JD-XA is in the same price range but it’s far more feature rich with its digital section that really can make gnawing lows and very smooth highs and Mids. If sound design is your priority, than the XD our classes the others. But it’s poorly documented and requires learning.
The Prologue should be the flagship from Korg. But I must consider (iam own a P8) the features lags a lot. Not only there is only one lfo, his routing parameters are limited. No delay for it, only three destinations, only two parallel effects (instead the xd, though both has the same processor), no CV Ins, no step sequencer (like the cheaper XD), no microtuning, even like the XD.
So I must confess that I have regretted the purchase.
The XD is definitely my go to suggestion now. So feature packed
Some of the 'shortcomings' you mention of the Prologue can be overcome by using hardware like a Digitakt or Digitone to give you an additional LFO, plus other modulation control. You can also send the Prologue output through either of those boxes for extra send effects.
Or, if you use Ableton, you can use the Max for Live envelopes and LFO and have a crazy amount of modulation on it.
Just look up the MIDI implementation chart, assign the CC value of your choice and voila.
I use both of these techniques with various synths like the SE-02 and they would work well with the Prologue.
I feel you, I also have a Prologue 8 and I've been having exactly the same thoughts. I still have some hope for firmware updates, tho.... microtuning should be very easy to add, and I think simultaneous reverb and delay makes sense even with the current panel layout (the rev/del/off switch should be interpreted as selecting the effect that the time and depth knobs are currently assigned to, and should switch both effects off in the off position, and if you want for example only delay with no reverb you can just turn down completly the depth of the reverb). I wish the firmware was open source so we wouldn't depend on Korg good will to implement some improvements...
@HOLODECK PROJECT maybe you should look at what your synth can do more than what it can't do. I could look at a DSI Rev2 and say it only has 2 DCO's and no custom oscillator to continually make new sounds with, it's complicated to understand and has a bit of menu diving, the on board effects are "meh" and generally just keep on digging on what it negative about it instead of looking at how to use it's strengths to create something fantastic. Yes I chose a Prologue 16 over a DSI Rev2 16 but I am quite happy with it. Personally I don't really understand the "let's look what it can't do," mentality as nothing positive comes out of it. "Let's see what I can create with these features," attitude can create wonderful outcomes even on a guitar with one string.
So Bo I sold both my minilogue and monologue to get the prologue. I’ve followed your channel for a while and watched quite a few of your videos. I was blown away by the prologue when I played it. Do you think the minilogue xd is closer in sound to the prologue or minilogue?
Closer to Prologue for sure
Which is the first patch you played? I haven´t heard it before. It´s great!!
There is something strange about the prologue and Korg.
A lot of time has passed from its launch, but still there is not a decent in depth review nor tutorial made by competent people in the entire YT (at least I haven't found it yet). Nothing comparable with the material avaible for the minilogue or the new minilogue XD...it seems that korg don't really want to sell this thing...(which, in my opinion, has been underestimated by many, including, just to make an example, the brave guys from Sonicstate)
i think you are onto something!
want!
I have a Monologue which is great fun...this is serious
I want a NoNeats Korg 'logue special.
Bo Beats What is the First preset Demo’d at the start of the video? Thanks
Bo you gave this guy hell about the 1 LFO and the limited step sequencer on the XD haha
elton john?
Vidd Joe
Have the tuning issues been resolved?
I just sent one back to a store, even after an update it was detuning. But, sonically, it’s a fantastic machine, so will try again with a replacement.
According to Korg: yes. I have no idea myself
@@DaraM73 Thanks. I'm staying away until I hear that from users that it's been fixed.
It is fixed with the latest firmware update (1.3). You just have to remember doing the voice and panel updates after installing the latest firmware. After that, everything is nice and stable. 👍
They weren’t on mine, so i’m going for a Minilogue xd instead.
Around the 5:06 mark it sounds like the opening chords to Black Sabbath!? 🎹🎸💫💀😵
Oh please god help me
As a live performer, a sequencer is something I would NEVER use on stage. That's what I use click tracks for. There's just a little too much risk of something going wrong live to use a sequencer in that way. I know there are those who would like the option, but i think some of those sacrifices is what keeps the price of this thing so low. I can see why Korg left it off their performance synth. The XD is definitely the device Korg wants people to use in a studio. You aren't going to use those thin keys in a live setting.
Seems like Minilogue XD can do much more than Prologue in terms of sound design... Ok, more polyphony, a bigger keyboard: is this all?
full adsr envelope, splits, layers. But I think xd is such nice value tbh
Any idea when Korg will start shippng the minilogue XD?
No idea
@@billfinch4661 guitar center is showing expected ship date of 4/8/2019. But I think there's already been a few delays. Possibly to confirm the XD doesn't have the tuning issue that has kicked Korg in the pants so much.
@bimguff Thanks. The delay is giving me a chance to look at other models, anyway. I realize they needed to get it out at the big show. My company (scientific instruments) requires product teams to ship within 6 weeks of the public intro, so within April is OK, especially if it comes without killer bugs!
Sounds good but this synth really shit the bed, tons of manufacturing problems, no senqencer, korg wasn't ready to play with the big boys of anolouge so to speak, the pad sounds do sound nice but they could have done a lot more, it's a shame, korg only cares about coming in at the lowest price, if that's your business model then stick to low budget synths, why make a synth for the high budget market if your going to cut corners