Well, there you have it. Pope Wiannoboy has ruled. We truly are in an era for many Catholics where they are their own Pope. Unfortunately, no matter what we tell ourselves as our own popes, if we sin, it still leads to misery and pain, which is precisely what Christ and His Church are trying to help people avoid. We will keep preaching the truth, even if we are all in jail.
TH-cam just told me to watch this.... that is one lucky bunch of kids that you are teaching :) For me, as a Catholic lesbian, it comes down to a question of which would I rather live without - a life partner, or Christ in the Eucharist and His Church? I know there is one that I can't live without.
I'm not out there making these statements on my own - these aren't MY teachings - they are the teachings of the Church for 2,000 years, confirmed by scientists/mental health experts/married and single people all over the world/folks living with same sex attraction all over the world/bishops/priests/lay Catholics all over the place - that is why I'm confident in proclaiming these teachings...precisely because I didn't think of them on my own!!!
Thank you, Fr John, for this very much needed class on the teaching of the Church on human sexuality. Children need to know that it ispossible to be chaste and be psychologically healthy at the same time. In fact living the virtues of Our Lord is the only way to have a truly healthy and balanced psychological and social life.
I really value a presentation that presents the orthodox Catholic position on homosexuality and at the same time is reasonable, calm, respectful and kind in tone. So many of the major protestant denominations like the Episcopalians, Methodists and Prebysterians has all split down the middle on this issue. I'm really glad that the Catholic church is holding steady on the traditional teaching of the church on this for 2022 years, heard from the early church fathers. It's so ironic to see that the groups pushing for inclusion and tolerance for all, is so intolerant of anyone (especially the Catholic church), who has a different opinion than that of the LGBTQIA+ agenda. Every opinion is welcome EXCEPT the Christian opinion in the public square. Failing to be respectful, loving and welcoming to LGBTQIA+ folks is unloving and NOT the teaching of the church. At the same time, compromising the truth from biblical teaching in order to be loving, is neither loving or true.
I don't work for court victories. They are important, they can help determine the moral fabric of our society, but I don't count wins and losses in terms of court decisions. Our country will stand or fall according to its ability to align itself with timeless moral teachings. If we choose to move away from moral truths, we will fall. If we choose the good, we have a shot.
He is right that this is the issue of our generation. To simplify a complex topic, I understand the basic position of the Catholic Church to be that a sexual act for which the intent is self satisfaction is not consistent with God's intention. In this regard, any consensual sexual act that does not allow for the (slightest) possibility of procreation is inconsistent with God's gift to us. And ANY such act is viewed similarly. So, for example, there is no fundamental difference between contraception and homosexuality. Procreation exists to allow us to participate directly in God's plan of creation. If we are Christian and we think about this carefully, we realize the sacredness of the gift God has given us. New souls are only gifted to mankind through the creation of life. A reader may rebut this summary by asking about the older married couple that will no longer have children or the couple affected by unplanned surgery. Someone with authority must answer. My answer is true Christianity is serving Christ and one another and not ourselves. The grace of chastity is the mystery of greater love for God and the spiritual over the physical. There may be a point in life where we can listen to a higher calling. Regardless, those who sit in pews and condemn because of distinctions are missing something vital. We are not here to condemn. We are here to say, "This is what it means to completely belong to Christ, not ourselves, here and now."
Somebody in Singapore who hates Catholicism might watch the video. But then again, somebody in South Dakota who loves the Church might watch it too. Very good video, thank you Father.
You can do research, as I did, and read up on the psychology of attraction and study up on the subconscious - as, in fact, many in psych 101 have to do. The information is out there, and as we learned in Good Will Hunting, you don't need a Ph.d in something to learn about it
Great video! A simple explanation about Catholic sexuality that I can share with my clients. I teach the Creighton Model FertilityCare System. :) Thank you, Fr. John, I'm going to be watching more of your videos!
The Church's teaching on authentic use of one's sexuality will NEVER change - and I think it is sad that you think Christmas gifts and human sexuality are on the same level of moral importance. There are negotiables and there are non-negotiables. The Church's teachings on proper use of one's sexuality are non-negotiable and will never change. The question is...do you really understand what those teachings are? 2 billion dollars if you do.
Thank you, Father Hollowell !! I'm so glad you shared this! I have exactly the same idea ! The Bible makes a clear distinction between man and animals. The beauty of a noble soul is an ethical being, Because of mans sense of justice will growing that way. God bless you always.
Preach it Father! Also, I think that some of us have an inclination to be an alcoholic or become obese. We are given free will to control our urges or not. It is our choice to sin or not.
I never said they should have not been born. I personally am not a Christian. What I was saying was that it seems highly unfair and cruel to bring a person into being without giving them the option of acting on their attractions. Effectively giving them an extremely powerful handicap against going to heaven, a handicap that a heterosexual would not have. If they are not unfair or cruel, I would like to know your rationale behind why you do not believe they are unfair or cruel..
Well, you were right. This is most definitely a hot topic. I wish people would follow homosexuality through to its most likely conclusion like waking up one day and realizing you blew your chance to have children and raise a family naturally. They also do not realize that by embracing this as an active lifestyle they hurt way more people than just themselves. Now that I think back on all the times that I commit sins I see the conclusions it lead to which could not be seen beforehand. Really tragic, but that is why God gives us good rules. The young people could wake up to the beauty and comfort of the true marriage again. Most women want one man who loves them for life. Most men want a good woman. Most would agree that children need to be raised in this type of stable environment. There is a growing number of women seeking the feminine traditional lifestyle which is good news. Now if we could just somehow reach the general population with God's love story of how He wants to bless us when we follow His good ways. May God help us all!
I would have to say that being a priest is one of the best qualifiers to give professional advice on sexuality. Priests through Pope John Paul II's Theology of the Body understand the reasoning and purposes for human sexuality, better than anyone. When you give your sexuality to someone else (Christ) and embrace chastity so that others may benefit from your gift to God. You have to be humble to give it up; to have the humility to say yes to God and give your life to him. Great job Father!
That's right, since you secularists told me to stop, I should. That's what it has come to in this country, huh? "We don't like what you have to say so you can't say it!!" Well, I appreciate the advice, but whatever you have planned for me for not being quiet I now invite you to bring it on
My only comment on this video, is how is same sex attraction an issue? Or a person having this an issue? I mean I don't believe in God, but I do have morals, and I was raised Catholic and still am, so a lot of my morals are based on Catholic teachings, but what I don't understand is why homosexual sex is bad, if normal sex is not. If two gay people are married and two straight people are married, and both couples have good intentions, then I don't see what's wrong with sexual acts for either couple. The Church teaches that you save sex for marriage, so if both these couples did that, then why is the gay couple shunned so to speak and the other gets no criticism. I personally completely support gay rights and I think people should marry whomever they please to marry. Just my thoughts, no one has to agree with them, but I am entitled to them.
Terra, same sex attraction in itself is not sinful. It only becomes sinful when those attractions are acted upon by committing homosexual acts. The primary purpose for the sexual act is for the production of children. Obviously, homosexuality cannot do that and which is why it goes against the natural law. Just because a gay person/couple may be the nicest, most well-intentioned person/couple in the world, that doesn't mean we as Catholic Christians should encourage them in their sin. Instead, we would be showing them genuine Christian love by encouraging them to lead chaste, prayerful lives. God loves each and everyone of us and doesn't want us to sin. Homosexuality is a difficult cross to bear for some of us. Marriage is a sacred bond between a man and woman because it is a vivid symbol of the union between Christ and His Church. One of the primary purposes of marriage is for a couple to be open to procreation. This is why gay "marriage" is considered incompatible with the laws of God. The Church has never taught us to "hate" or discriminate against any certain group, person, etc. We are taught to 'love our neighbor as ourselves.' This means not wanting our neighbor to suffer the pains of hell by encouraging them in their sin, but rather pointing them in the direction of God's plan for them.
***** Yeah, that doesn't make much sense. I think she's just confused by what the secular society is telling her and what she's been taught to believe. A fence sitter. She rather offend the moral, Catholic side of her than the secular, immoral side. "I find your lack of faith disturbing."
I was born and raised into the Catholic faith and its only been in recent years that I've been against it and I'm not yet eighteen so i can't make my own choices about that.
Terra Pinheiro Terra, of course you are entitled to your thoughts and opinions, but they should be based on facts, so let me see if I can help explain the Catholic position. yes, the Catholic Church teaches sex in marriage is not only appropriate, but is good and is a way for a married couple to express love for one another and symbolize their union as one flesh. However, that's not the whole teaching. The Church also teaches that the possibility of conception must also be present. In other words, even in marriage the use of contraception is sinful. any sex where the possibility of conceiving a child is not present is a sin. so that's reason #1 why homosexual sex is wrong and sinful in the eyes of the Church. Reason #2, of course, is that it's right there in scripture. The bible plainly states that homosexual sex is sinful. There's no debate there. As Alvin noted above, BEING gay is NOT sinful. But engaging in gay sex is. Please also understand that gays are as loved and welcomed into the Church as anyone else. but the Church calls them to a life of chastity. You don't have to believe this, but I hope you better understand the Catholic position now and I hope you also respect it and aren't sucked into the current propoganda that anyone against gay marriage is a hateful bigot. Also, please don't take offense to this, but you already are not a Catholic. it doesn't matter if you are not 18 yet. your beliefs preclude you from being Catholic.
God's graces may vary. I've personally went on a couple of mission trips and I noticed that regardless of the poverty, people seemed to be happy because God gave them a life to live and experience the things of the world. People can find God's presence in all the things we are given
I appreciate you being respectful to some extent, even if we do disagree on your points. I did want to ask one question though regarding your idea of what we are attracted to is morally neutral. What purpose would there be behind God bringing a person into this world with an attraction that they could NEVER act on? Basically forced celibacy. I understand choosing celibacy, I understand heterosexuals waiting until they are married, but not a person born with homosexual attraction. Rationale?
My awareness and drive to do all that I can to help them and ease their pains. Of course I will never get to all of them, but if God can provide at least to one of those children, through me, then our actions can show that there is hope and that hope is God. Not only did that benefit them when we come there and serve them, but it also makes us more aware of everything around us and forces us to be ignorant or aware
If my understanding of Christianity is correct, God does not actively create disordered desires. All of humanity's disorders, physical, mental, and spiritual, are the product of original sin.
But we all have things that we are attracted to our whole lives and we don't act on the attraction and we turn out fine...that's why I say at the beginning of the talk that if we think not acting on my attractions is harmful to me, then the Church's teaching on sexuality is a joke
Of course God wants you to be happy. Even if you're gay! In fact, we're all sinners. We all offend God and do unnatural things. The difference is that God wants us to be happy, and sin makes us unhappy, since it separates us from Him. So yes. Be Catholic. If you're gay, be gay. But flee from sin, and that includes homosexual relationships AND heterosexual pre-marital sex, etc...
I would note that there are lots of things that don't make sense to us while we can't see the big picture, and your good question is one of them. Why does God allow sin at all? Why suffering? These things we'll only know somewhere down the line
The Catholic Church does not say that we don't accept homosexuals. We don't accept the homosexual "acts". If we as people of faith feel inclined toward homosexual thoughts we are called to live virtuously for the sake of Christ. To practice Self-Mastery and say no to those things which are detrimental to our souls. The Catholic Church accepts homosexuals in the sense that they are children of God and have dignity and deserve respect. We are called to "hate the sin, but love the sinner."
Excuse my assumption. Sin is the handicap. You can be a man that may be heterosexual but you dishonor your parents or steal and that could equally send you to Hell. The thing you are stating is saying that every homosexual is going to have an unfair disadvantage. Reality is that we all have crosses we have to bear. It will be hard, but God will grant us the strength to fight.
"Read up" and "study up" to be qualified as an authority and teach something as complex as sexual orientation? Does the American Medical Association or the American Psychiatric Association agree with you ? You teach in a private Catholic school and you are certainly qualified to represent the Catechism in a classroom. I'm just questioning if you have the authority to also teach them the medical and psychological side of it. Might it be more responsible to leave that to the professionals?
Just as you think there's something wrong with a priest who breaks his vow of celibacy, I also think it's morally reprehensible for a man who chooses asceticism to judge those who have not chosen that path. The whole point and end goal of the austere life is to put others before you; this also means being silent sometimes. Being silent is having the faith to trust others unconditionally, which opens societies to the concept of growth and change to become centers for enlightenment.
There was a time when left handed people were harshly treated by society. It would be unthinkable to treat them badly today. Likewise Blacks, Jews, Irish, Native Indians and Mormons have all suffered for what they are. I'm not sure that institutionalizing harm towards people who are gay and wish to express themselves the way a heterosexual would is the best thing for the church. Perhaps it is time for the Roman church to abandon the involvement in family matters of an intimate nature. The fact that a single sex-fraternity of celibate men can council married adults has always been bewilderment to me. I know elements of the Roman Church are convinced that they hold the keys to salvation but perhaps it is up to God to judge who goes to heaven. I hope I have not offended anyone.
the bible states homesexual sex is a sin. it does not state being left-handed is a sin. thus there is no comparison. however you are entitled to your opinion, so if you left it at that I would not be offended. but you go on to describe the priesthood as a "sex-fraternity of celibate men" and slander Catholics by claiming we are for the insitutionalization of harming gay people, and you hope you haven't offended anyone? yeah right.
frank adp I'm sorry if I offended you. Now let me be more clear. What I meant by single sex fraternity of celibate men was not meant to offend but point out the obvious fact that senior decision makers in the Roman Church are not women because women are barred from becoming priests and being promoted to high ecclesiastical office. This means that the decision makers are a single-sex(men) fraternity(brotherhood of clerics) making decisions for men and women(breeding families). The reason I say that the Roman Church institutionally harms gay people is that the language towards gay members or the Roman Church has been mean spirited. For this I would invite you to read Pope Benedict the XVI Christmas Speech on Family values in 2012. Pope Benedict said gay marriage was a threat to world peace at a time when 3 American states permitted gay marriage. Some workers in Roman Church schools and institutions were fired once the administrators discovered that their workers were married to someone of the same sex despite the fact that it is illegal to terminate someone based on who they are. You are correct, there are passages in the bible that could be interpreted as stating that gay sex being sinful, but I'll let God himself judge who is a sinner and not some man made institution. Some in the Roman Church teach that only membership in that church guarantees salvation. Some have gone so far as to label Protestants as heretics. Do you see how mean spirited some man-made ecclesiastical organizations can be? Remember, God made gay people too and it seems that gay people are reminding us just how far we should love one another as Christ commended. As far as I can see, all religions offend others, all religions tell their flock that they have the truth. I don't want to offend, I just want the merciful compassionate love that Jesus spoke about to be the first thing we think about when we deal with other people.
N Goddard well that's what happens when you have a misplaced hyphen! :) you wrote single sex-fraternity, but you meant single-sex fraternity. I think you can see how it was easy to misunderstand. Anyway, I still disagree with you, but at least you weren't being offensive.
The church is not the one getting involved. It is the legal system imposing. Marriage is a religious thing. The courts or the congress can resolve this simply by changing their view s and if they want this then separate marriage to religion only and unions for legality. The government should never have gotten involved with marriage
When I was in India with a charitable organization, I came a across a boy in an orphanage who was quite physically and mentally disabled. I made a comment to his caretakers that it was wonderful they took care of him with such love and affection for this poor child left in the street to die by his parents. I was quickly corrected and told not to feel sympathy for this boy, as he must have done something just horrible in his previous life to born like that. I was shocked by the disdain...
First of all, thank you for the reply. I appreciate it. What I'm trying to do is make the distinction between "right now I am unable to act on my attractions morally" and "I can never act on my attractions morally." I agree one can never be satisfied by acting on their attractions ever, and this is what makes a homosexual's situation worse. Never being able to marry and act upon their given attractions without sinning It just seems pointless or cruel to bring someone into the world like this.
And I have heard stories where priest who may be homosexual, but have lived joyous (keyword there) blessed lives without trying to force the homosexual agenda. They understand that they have struggles and such but have chosen God is much greater than their attractions and temptations
John Hollowell isn't a pedophile. He's just as much a victim of the church's teachings as are the children of Ireland at the mercy of the church's tyranny. He's just afraid of how his bishops would react, and won't stand in favor of homosexual sex until he realizes that it takes a thick skin to take a few lashes in the name of social progress. As he gets older, I have hope he'll start to think for himself and realize in his heart that the living Jesus Christ stands for social justice and love.
We all have attractions that we can never act on. A heterosexual guy experiences attractions hourly that he can never act on. I see what you are saying to some extent - a heterosexual guy can get married and have sex with his wife...but the problem with that is that is there REALLY some LASTING effect for that guy because he had sex with his wife? Put differently - Dave has sex with his wife Stephanie. How long does that calm his sexual attractions?
To say that it is pointless that someone who can't act on their attractions should not have been born is human thinking. God created all things for a purpose. if some people were born with homosexual attractions, there must have been a reason for it. They must discern and pray for what God wants of their lives. Yes they may have no sex, but God will reward them for their chastity in heaven.
It's no problem. Thank you for being polite. I'm saying that there are countless sins that can send you to hell, but homosexuals have that +1. We all have to resist fornication but they are barred from ever acting on their attraction because they can never get married. I think you're understanding what I'm saying. Isn't it also unfair that they will not be able to bond and share life with a significant other? Being born homosexual would be forcibly taking this experience from them.
How is denigration, the degradation, and the defamation of the love two homosexual men have for each other by Fr John Hollowell anything other than demonic or pure evil? He hasn't even done any extensive exegesis for God's sake! Think critically people think critically! Church teaching on this will have to change - eventually.
Why don't you look up what Mother Teresa said about human sexuality! She did more for the poor than perhaps anyone in the history of the world...she still spoke out about the evil of legalizing abortion, and she spoke often about the need to help people understand what the Church teaches about homosexuality. Thanks for trying to tell me how to spend my time and what to talk about, but I decline your suggestion.
You have to ask yourself this question ; If you were an all powerful and all loving God, would you get rid of pain, suffering, and starvation? It sounds to me that the universe and humans are the way we are simply because that's how nature is. You said it yourself. If God does intervene, how does one rationalize him? Why would God heal a wealthy white person in America but not provide food for a child in Africa? On the other hand if God does nothing, what would compel you to believe he exists?
I think it's wrong to break a vow because it's something they did voluntarily and consciously (at least 4 years of discernment)... But that's another topic. About the other stuff, I think I overall would agree. The thing is that I'm not sure how someone stating a religious moral teaching is "judging someone who hasn't chosen that path" ... I mean, I've never had a priest tell me to take a vow of celibacy or judging me for not choosing his path...
If you don't act on your attractions, you will explode. What is repressed will eventually be expressed inappropriately. The only way to not explode is to manage your sexuality in a healthy, appropriate way. This means that people are sexual beings and need sexual release and if you repress that need, you increase the chance that you will express it in a way that is not healthy and maybe not legal.
there are people naturally attracted to children, their relatives, more than one man or woman and the list goes on. Just because an individual marries, does not mean that all other attractions go away. All are called to chastity, whether married, single, gay or straight. How wonderful God made us that we can control our impulses, unlike animals. And sadly, our culture treats us as animals and expects as much of us. "Vote with your lady parts" comes to mind.
all the things I've heard u stay r truy i converted in 2010 since that time i live a life of chastity. my young yrs were why did God make me this way n cryred myself n asked for God to change me but i didn't change. today really all my life i have been depressed. suffered from addiction
Ah, the ol' progressive mantra - "FORWARD." - as in "things just keep getting better if we move forward - of course the progressive mantra fails to account for how at many points in history actually got worse by moving "forward". I would suppose that most in 1940's Germany longed to back in time, and found the "just keep moving forward and things will get better" mantra to be quite a substantial lie
Suicide: not immoral (unless you have people depending on you, AKA not alone). "Self-mutilation:" not immoral (and just a tagline that Christians use to hate on people who get tattoos, piercings, and medical surgeries).
I can't justify God's actions on why there is homosexuality, but I know he provides ways through the catholic church to overcome these things. Yes it may be a struggle, but God who is Jesus overcame death when He rose from the dead. And yes it may be unfair in our eyes, but for people who have lived that lifestyle and are happy then it must have been a blessing for them to have that suffering place on them
If I were an all powerful and all loving God. I am not. Even if I were to try to fathom what logic God has I can't human logic cannot comprehend God's wisdom. If you are a parent, you would try your best to make sure they don't do stupid things like drink bleach. There is only so much that you can do as a parent, eventually you'll have to let them learn for themselves. And how do I rationalize Him? Grace. Grace is God's gift to us in the form of what we need.
It's not a minority. Whether you are aware of it or not the scapegoating of homosexuality is a distraction and political move by the Catholic church to avoid confronting their own endemic problem of sexual dysfunction. 27:58-32:00 "Homosexual attraction is not in my control at this moment." That is UTTER nonsense. Homosexual sex is not a sin. Making gay children feel guilty is the real sin - their attractions are natural and should be embraced. It's unhealthy to repress it.
Segragation and gay marriage have nothing in common. The Bible never says anything about race but it does say something about homosexual interaction. Plus gay persons can marry while black were not allowed basic rights.
As an homosexual young man i have to say that the reason i "join" the Catholic Church is not for the way it describes me, only psychology actually describes me a complete way, the reason i "join" it is because i cannot forget the love message of Jesus who is always with me, even when i sleep with a guy. Nobody but me knows what i feel, and nobody's going to bring me down. The catholic church is not the only reality around the world, and the Holy Spirit is anywhere. Regards.
Learn to be concise, because I do not go sifting through comments for multireplies. The fact of the matter is that "objective morality" does not exist beyond the limits of an objective perpetrator and an objective victim. Therefore, many of the "truths" that Christians espouse as "truths" are in fact nothing more than religious tripe, as you cannot prove a perpetrator and a victim of the contextual issues here in this video. Nice red herring...
To prove my point I only have to use your points! I'll show you and "everyone": If the Church did in fact ban Christmas gifts, etc., then we see that this is a PRACTICE, and not a TEACHING. Or eating meat on Friday being a mortal sin, even if it's true, it's the same, it's a PRACTICE, and not a TEACHING... Please get your stuff right before preaching ;)
Ephesians 6:5 and Colossians 3:22 have nothing to do with segragation and St. Paul was talking in the context of Roman slavery. If you would have bothered to read Galatians 3:28, Paul clearly does not approve of segragation. About homosexual relationships the Bible says what it says that they are forbiden by God.
Thank you for the reply. I'm not saying we don't have the ability to deny ourselves, I'm saying, how cruel and pointless is it of God to create an individual with those innate attractions given they can never act on them? If you're not born heterosexual you automatically do not have a choice to act on your attractions in their lifetime. That does not seem fair to take away a choice when attraction is a multi-daily urge every day of your life.
if they want to get married in court why not? unfortunatly thats not what they want. They want to force every religion except for one to validate and approve of them. they want to have christian bakeries bake wedding cales and have priests marry them in a catholic church. where do your rights trump mine?
Archaic as in all the way back to the 1980's when psychologists DID speak about homosexual acts as psychologically problematic? You can't say the 60's 70's and 80's were a period of intellectual enlightenment and then claim that those same people were completely wrong about homosexual acts. BTW many shrinks still today are in line with what the Church says. Your phrase "the rest of" is a lie
As a master's level clinical therapist working with families...of all different compositions, most seek understanding and compassion and inclusivity. The idea that same sex couples are simply incapable of creating loyal and loving and healthy unions and families is nonsense and there is an ocean filled with solid clinical research to support this.
If your faith were to say that segregation was permissible, then I hope you would agree with me that you renouncing your faith to stand up for truth would be the most noble course of action. The parallels between homosexual marriage and segregation has even been brought up by Missouri pastor Phil Snider beautifully in this video (watch?v=A8JsRx2lois) which shows that Fr. Hollowell is standing on the wrong side of history and needs to embrace the change that is inevitably coming.
00:51 Father. I am so scandalised. You just destroyed my faith in you and your miraculous Healing! How can you talk publicly about such a topic IN MIXED company? Not only that, I see women in the classroom and I cannot believe you would say that in front of them.
Seeing that you're more concerned on how you're so great at reading comprehension and being concise, and telling me what to do... I see very little point in discussing further, especially since you rather not even read all the points... Though I'm curious as to your last point, of how "obj morality does not exist beyond etc.," and I'm not sure I quite follow... I'll let you explain, but I'd like to see a case in which there is no victim, just an immoral action done by a character alone...
I propose that you can do exactly what you just said without ever having to reference God. You are the one that does something in this scenario, you can be selfless without God. Helping out mankind benefits everyone because to me, life is the only thing I do have. I don't believe in an afterlife. So to decrease someone else's suffering is extremely fulfilling. If we truly are the ones taking action, what reason is there to believe God has any part of it? Look at secular humanism on wikipedia.
Religion is made up tribal discrimination. There's no good objective evidence for any God(s). The Catholic Church used to burn witches and discriminate against left-handed people. Under natural law, masturbation is worse than rape, because rape can at least lead to pregnancy and is only against another person, while masturbation sinned against God. Aquinas wrote about this. Aquinas also thought heretic should be tortured/killed. He's like ISIS.
Having same sex attraction doesn't make you gay. One thing is to "feeling" and other completely different thing is to "being". Means, that you can have SSA but not being or practicing homosexuality. God allows the cross of homosexuality for your sanctification and the others.
On your last post, no it isn't fair. Of course we would want to question God's decision on lots of things, be it; war, death, pain, suffering, and homosexuality. Why have it this way? Couldn't it have be done other ways where all those things didn't exist? It could have been because God is all powerful, but it wasn't because that's the way the universe and humans have it.
I'm more concerned with being relevant in context of this video. Given that objective morality cannot be determined beyond an objective perpetrator and an objective victim, there is no immoral action to be done by a character alone. Ex] masturbation is not immoral, drinking is not immoral, consuming shellfish is not immoral, loving a spouse is not immoral. And the circumstances in which these become immoral are when one is not alone. Hence drunk driving: risking others lives is immoral.
Yes we are born into sin and shapen in iniquity, yet I don't see how this changes the situation. If you are born with homosexual attraction without your choice, you're still deprived of the simple ability to act on your attractions by default. Original sin is the idea that nothing can be perfect anymore and we are all born into sin. Who else but God could change creation to reflect imperfection? It's all guided by an omniscient God. Original sin can't change anything it's just a representation
I'll say it again, because there be many representations of a certain entity does not entail there are many or none. I give the same advice back to ya. I never said religion equals morality... Your own advice given to you once again. Islam is not older than Christianity, and either way Christianity has a long tradition of what we call Natural Law, which is derived from philosophical analysis and not from holy books. I guess you're right, though. We got a misunderstanding on what we meant (cont)
But how about man's nature? Or suicide? Self-mutilation? And yeah, this is now outside the context of the video now (though what he says rests under our definition of morality)... I was just responding to the claim of the timelessness stuff
Schism is a sin. The infection of heresy can be cured by first confronting a son with a brother or sister and if o result , than turning to the Church with 2 or 3 witnesses, (Matthew 18:15-20). If that does not turn the sinner, then for the sake of unity (John 17), the sinner is cast out of the Church and in the hands of Satan, (1 Corinthians 5:5, 1 Tim 1:20). Schismatics are not in the ancient Catholic Church and therefore are not members of the Body of Christ. Jesus Christ has only one Bride. Schismatics appeal to The Spiritual Church Fallacy to claim they are still part of the Church found in the New Testament. But this assumes that Christ has more than one Body, One Church and one Bride. These do not realize they grieve the Holy Spirit who never errs and never will lead the elect into Heresy and Apostasy. These are committing spiritual adultery. The Heterodox curse the very thing they claim to love, the Body of Christ, his only Bride, His only Church. I never speak with the Orthodox, Assyrian, Coptic, or Oriental Churches with anything but Love, because they are members of the Body of Christ but are in opposition to its other members, they suffer: 1 Corinthians 12:15,21 NASB If the foot says, "Because I am not a hand, I am not a part of the body," it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body. [21] And the eye cannot say to the hand, "I have no need of you"; or again the head to the feet, "I have no need of you." We see they that just as in the body, the hand cannot be a foot, so those Apostolic Churches, must find there place in the body before they will be received back into the Church. The leaders of those respective communions are going to pay a have price for there disunity, especially now with only being a cellphone call away and spurning the attempts and overtures at unity being sought by the Bishop of Rome. Every Apostolic Church should fear the unification of Islam with Protestantism. Both hate the Catholic Church as much as Satan does. Once the Apostolic Churches are in full communion, then we will see Satan reveal himself as the supreme leader of Islam and Protestantism. ONE GOD ONE CHRIST ONE BIBLE 40,000 AND GROWING DENOMINATIONS AND CULTS. WELCOME TO THE SEA of CHAOS and DISUNITY we call PROTESTANTISM The Reformation is Satan's Greatest Victory th-cam.com/video/UfOCqTfPXbQ/w-d-xo.html
call me an idiot and bring more uncharitable stuff on here instead of talking about the content of the talk and I will block you and delete all of your comments. You've posted all over the place and have attempted to sabotage a conversation on here. If you don't change the tone and number of your posts on my videos, I will take action. Care to engage anything of substance from the video?
so then what shall we do with all the married and free to marry pedophiles? It is not a question of celibacy; it is a question of commitment in relationships and mastery of self.
hummm i don't think anyone thinks they are going to explode. lol how ignorant. I don't believe most people think they "have to act" -- they choose to act - because they want to act.
Okay let me ask you then. Why is it fulfilling to you? Why does it feel good inside when you do these selfless acts? Why haven't other humans done the same way in helping out their own race? I mean if it is so easy for us to just let out the selflessness in us then we should have already done so. Why do only a small few decide "hey let help the less fortunate and poor in our midst" ?
I was not molested I am afraid. I was born to devout Catholic and Presbyterian parents. I played sports to a high level and had no lack of male role models or influences in my life. I know Catholics would like to blame us for all sorts of things so that their teachings can be seen to be accurate but being gay is not some act of rebellion against God I am afraid...
If I read up on the human body and medicine, and that's all I did, would you come see me for medical advice if you found an odd colored lump on your neck? Would you let me treat you for it???Even though I don't have MD written after my name, by golly I should know what I am diagnosing you with right? Cause I read up on it. Right?
According to Christianity yes we all have to resist the flesh in many different cases. I'm pointing out the inherent unfairness of this particular situation. I'm assuming you've taken a vow of celibacy but that was a personal choice. To purposefully deny someone the option of creating a lifelong connection with someone and sharing that bond intimately seems once again unfair. And replacing that opportunity with an innate desire to engage in sinful homosexual acts is the part that seems cruel.
(cont.). You speak of "timeless moral teaching" and I was speaking of truth and objective morality. So yes, a moral teaching may be wrong, like if anyone ever condoned raping, but still objective morality will always be the same and "timeless." Rape will always be immoral, even if a religion or a group would say otherwise.
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Well, there you have it. Pope Wiannoboy has ruled. We truly are in an era for many Catholics where they are their own Pope.
Unfortunately, no matter what we tell ourselves as our own popes, if we sin, it still leads to misery and pain, which is precisely what Christ and His Church are trying to help people avoid. We will keep preaching the truth, even if we are all in jail.
TH-cam just told me to watch this.... that is one lucky bunch of kids that you are teaching :)
For me, as a Catholic lesbian, it comes down to a question of which would I rather live without - a life partner, or Christ in the Eucharist and His Church?
I know there is one that I can't live without.
pray for me!
You go Elena! Super proud of you.
You clearly are going go to hell for denying and intending to destroy other's faith.
ummm... what?
She never said she was a practicing lesbian, from how she worded her comment, I'm presuming she's celibate.
Thanks Daniel, and thanks for your willingness to help proclaim this message as well! God bless you in your ministry!
I'm not out there making these statements on my own - these aren't MY teachings - they are the teachings of the Church for 2,000 years, confirmed by scientists/mental health experts/married and single people all over the world/folks living with same sex attraction all over the world/bishops/priests/lay Catholics all over the place - that is why I'm confident in proclaiming these teachings...precisely because I didn't think of them on my own!!!
Thank you, Fr John, for this very much needed class on the teaching of the Church on human sexuality. Children need to know that it ispossible to be chaste and be psychologically healthy at the same time. In fact living the virtues of Our Lord is the only way to have a truly healthy and balanced psychological and social life.
Father Hollowell.......May God bless and give you the strength and courage to spread the Truth....
+Jasmine Saintélus -AMEN!
thank you ! keep on this war against evil ! we need it ! bless you !
I really value a presentation that presents the orthodox Catholic position on homosexuality and at the same time is reasonable, calm, respectful and kind in tone. So many of the major protestant denominations like the Episcopalians, Methodists and Prebysterians has all split down the middle on this issue. I'm really glad that the Catholic church is holding steady on the traditional teaching of the church on this for 2022 years, heard from the early church fathers. It's so ironic to see that the groups pushing for inclusion and tolerance for all, is so intolerant of anyone (especially the Catholic church), who has a different opinion than that of the LGBTQIA+ agenda. Every opinion is welcome EXCEPT the Christian opinion in the public square. Failing to be respectful, loving and welcoming to LGBTQIA+ folks is unloving and NOT the teaching of the church. At the same time, compromising the truth from biblical teaching in order to be loving, is neither loving or true.
I don't work for court victories. They are important, they can help determine the moral fabric of our society, but I don't count wins and losses in terms of court decisions. Our country will stand or fall according to its ability to align itself with timeless moral teachings. If we choose to move away from moral truths, we will fall. If we choose the good, we have a shot.
He is right that this is the issue of our generation. To simplify a complex topic, I understand the basic position of the Catholic Church to be that a sexual act for which the intent is self satisfaction is not consistent with God's intention. In this regard, any consensual sexual act that does not allow for the (slightest) possibility of procreation is inconsistent with God's gift to us. And ANY such act is viewed similarly. So, for example, there is no fundamental difference between contraception and homosexuality. Procreation exists to allow us to participate directly in God's plan of creation. If we are Christian and we think about this carefully, we realize the sacredness of the gift God has given us. New souls are only gifted to mankind through the creation of life. A reader may rebut this summary by asking about the older married couple that will no longer have children or the couple affected by unplanned surgery. Someone with authority must answer. My answer is true Christianity is serving Christ and one another and not ourselves. The grace of chastity is the mystery of greater love for God and the spiritual over the physical. There may be a point in life where we can listen to a higher calling. Regardless, those who sit in pews and condemn because of distinctions are missing something vital. We are not here to condemn. We are here to say, "This is what it means to completely belong to Christ, not ourselves, here and now."
Somebody in Singapore who hates Catholicism might watch the video.
But then again, somebody in South Dakota who loves the Church might watch it too. Very good video, thank you Father.
You can do research, as I did, and read up on the psychology of attraction and study up on the subconscious - as, in fact, many in psych 101 have to do. The information is out there, and as we learned in Good Will Hunting, you don't need a Ph.d in something to learn about it
Great video! A simple explanation about Catholic sexuality that I can share with my clients. I teach the Creighton Model FertilityCare System. :) Thank you, Fr. John, I'm going to be watching more of your videos!
The Church's teaching on authentic use of one's sexuality will NEVER change - and I think it is sad that you think Christmas gifts and human sexuality are on the same level of moral importance. There are negotiables and there are non-negotiables. The Church's teachings on proper use of one's sexuality are non-negotiable and will never change. The question is...do you really understand what those teachings are? 2 billion dollars if you do.
You made this comment 7 years ago. 7 years later, the church is practically embracing homosexuality as the norm.
Some understand it and simply do not accept it.
Thank you, Father Hollowell !! I'm so glad you shared this! I have exactly the same idea ! The Bible makes a clear distinction between man and animals. The beauty of a noble soul is an ethical being, Because of mans sense of justice will growing that way. God bless you always.
Excellent lecture from a very knowledgeable and skilled public speaker.
Preach it Father! Also, I think that some of us have an inclination to be an alcoholic or become obese. We are given free will to control our urges or not. It is our choice to sin or not.
Nice talk, Very clear
I never said they should have not been born. I personally am not a Christian. What I was saying was that it seems highly unfair and cruel to bring a person into being without giving them the option of acting on their attractions. Effectively giving them an extremely powerful handicap against going to heaven, a handicap that a heterosexual would not have. If they are not unfair or cruel, I would like to know your rationale behind why you do not believe they are unfair or cruel..
Thank you for this video father! Awsome :-D
Well, you were right. This is most definitely a hot topic. I wish people would follow homosexuality through to its most likely conclusion like waking up one day and realizing you blew your chance to have children and raise a family naturally. They also do not realize that by embracing this as an active lifestyle they hurt way more people than just themselves. Now that I think back on all the times that I commit sins I see the conclusions it lead to which could not be seen beforehand. Really tragic, but that is why God gives us good rules.
The young people could wake up to the beauty and comfort of the true marriage again. Most women want one man who loves them for life. Most men want a good woman. Most would agree that children need to be raised in this type of stable environment. There is a growing number of women seeking the feminine traditional lifestyle which is good news. Now if we could just somehow reach the general population with God's love story of how He wants to bless us when we follow His good ways. May God help us all!
I would have to say that being a priest is one of the best qualifiers to give professional advice on sexuality. Priests through Pope John Paul II's Theology of the Body understand the reasoning and purposes for human sexuality, better than anyone. When you give your sexuality to someone else (Christ) and embrace chastity so that others may benefit from your gift to God. You have to be humble to give it up; to have the humility to say yes to God and give your life to him. Great job Father!
That's right, since you secularists told me to stop, I should. That's what it has come to in this country, huh? "We don't like what you have to say so you can't say it!!" Well, I appreciate the advice, but whatever you have planned for me for not being quiet I now invite you to bring it on
My only comment on this video, is how is same sex attraction an issue? Or a person having this an issue? I mean I don't believe in God, but I do have morals, and I was raised Catholic and still am, so a lot of my morals are based on Catholic teachings, but what I don't understand is why homosexual sex is bad, if normal sex is not. If two gay people are married and two straight people are married, and both couples have good intentions, then I don't see what's wrong with sexual acts for either couple. The Church teaches that you save sex for marriage, so if both these couples did that, then why is the gay couple shunned so to speak and the other gets no criticism. I personally completely support gay rights and I think people should marry whomever they please to marry.
Just my thoughts, no one has to agree with them, but I am entitled to them.
Terra, same sex attraction in itself is not sinful. It only becomes sinful when those attractions are acted upon by committing homosexual acts. The primary purpose for the sexual act is for the production of children. Obviously, homosexuality cannot do that and which is why it goes against the natural law. Just because a gay person/couple may be the nicest, most well-intentioned person/couple in the world, that doesn't mean we as Catholic Christians should encourage them in their sin. Instead, we would be showing them genuine Christian love by encouraging them to lead chaste, prayerful lives. God loves each and everyone of us and doesn't want us to sin. Homosexuality is a difficult cross to bear for some of us. Marriage is a sacred bond between a man and woman because it is a vivid symbol of the union between Christ and His Church. One of the primary purposes of marriage is for a couple to be open to procreation. This is why gay "marriage" is considered incompatible with the laws of God. The Church has never taught us to "hate" or discriminate against any certain group, person, etc. We are taught to 'love our neighbor as ourselves.' This means not wanting our neighbor to suffer the pains of hell by encouraging them in their sin, but rather pointing them in the direction of God's plan for them.
That's fair enough. You are entitled to your opinion.
***** Yeah, that doesn't make much sense. I think she's just confused by what the secular society is telling her and what she's been taught to believe. A fence sitter. She rather offend the moral, Catholic side of her than the secular, immoral side.
"I find your lack of faith disturbing."
I was born and raised into the Catholic faith and its only been in recent years that I've been against it and I'm not yet eighteen so i can't make my own choices about that.
Terra Pinheiro Terra, of course you are entitled to your thoughts and opinions, but they should be based on facts, so let me see if I can help explain the Catholic position. yes, the Catholic Church teaches sex in marriage is not only appropriate, but is good and is a way for a married couple to express love for one another and symbolize their union as one flesh. However, that's not the whole teaching. The Church also teaches that the possibility of conception must also be present. In other words, even in marriage the use of contraception is sinful. any sex where the possibility of conceiving a child is not present is a sin. so that's reason #1 why homosexual sex is wrong and sinful in the eyes of the Church. Reason #2, of course, is that it's right there in scripture. The bible plainly states that homosexual sex is sinful. There's no debate there. As Alvin noted above, BEING gay is NOT sinful. But engaging in gay sex is. Please also understand that gays are as loved and welcomed into the Church as anyone else. but the Church calls them to a life of chastity. You don't have to believe this, but I hope you better understand the Catholic position now and I hope you also respect it and aren't sucked into the current propoganda that anyone against gay marriage is a hateful bigot. Also, please don't take offense to this, but you already are not a Catholic. it doesn't matter if you are not 18 yet. your beliefs preclude you from being Catholic.
God's graces may vary. I've personally went on a couple of mission trips and I noticed that regardless of the poverty, people seemed to be happy because God gave them a life to live and experience the things of the world. People can find God's presence in all the things we are given
Just the talk i've been looking for.
I appreciate you being respectful to some extent, even if we do disagree on your points. I did want to ask one question though regarding your idea of what we are attracted to is morally neutral.
What purpose would there be behind God bringing a person into this world with an attraction that they could NEVER act on? Basically forced celibacy. I understand choosing celibacy, I understand heterosexuals waiting until they are married, but not a person born with homosexual attraction. Rationale?
My awareness and drive to do all that I can to help them and ease their pains. Of course I will never get to all of them, but if God can provide at least to one of those children, through me, then our actions can show that there is hope and that hope is God. Not only did that benefit them when we come there and serve them, but it also makes us more aware of everything around us and forces us to be ignorant or aware
If my understanding of Christianity is correct, God does not actively create disordered desires. All of humanity's disorders, physical, mental, and spiritual, are the product of original sin.
But we all have things that we are attracted to our whole lives and we don't act on the attraction and we turn out fine...that's why I say at the beginning of the talk that if we think not acting on my attractions is harmful to me, then the Church's teaching on sexuality is a joke
Of course God wants you to be happy. Even if you're gay! In fact, we're all sinners. We all offend God and do unnatural things. The difference is that God wants us to be happy, and sin makes us unhappy, since it separates us from Him. So yes. Be Catholic. If you're gay, be gay. But flee from sin, and that includes homosexual relationships AND heterosexual pre-marital sex, etc...
I would note that there are lots of things that don't make sense to us while we can't see the big picture, and your good question is one of them. Why does God allow sin at all? Why suffering? These things we'll only know somewhere down the line
The Catholic Church does not say that we don't accept homosexuals. We don't accept the homosexual "acts". If we as people of faith feel inclined toward homosexual thoughts we are called to live virtuously for the sake of Christ. To practice Self-Mastery and say no to those things which are detrimental to our souls. The Catholic Church accepts homosexuals in the sense that they are children of God and have dignity and deserve respect. We are called to "hate the sin, but love the sinner."
Excuse my assumption. Sin is the handicap. You can be a man that may be heterosexual but you dishonor your parents or steal and that could equally send you to Hell. The thing you are stating is saying that every homosexual is going to have an unfair disadvantage. Reality is that we all have crosses we have to bear. It will be hard, but God will grant us the strength to fight.
"Read up" and "study up" to be qualified as an authority and teach something as complex as sexual orientation? Does the American Medical Association or the American Psychiatric Association agree with you ? You teach in a private Catholic school and you are certainly qualified to represent the Catechism in a classroom. I'm just questioning if you have the authority to also teach them the medical and psychological side of it. Might it be more responsible to leave that to the professionals?
Just as you think there's something wrong with a priest who breaks his vow of celibacy, I also think it's morally reprehensible for a man who chooses asceticism to judge those who have not chosen that path.
The whole point and end goal of the austere life is to put others before you; this also means being silent sometimes. Being silent is having the faith to trust others unconditionally, which opens societies to the concept of growth and change to become centers for enlightenment.
There was a time when left handed people were harshly treated by society. It would be unthinkable to treat them badly today. Likewise Blacks, Jews, Irish, Native Indians and Mormons have all suffered for what they are. I'm not sure that institutionalizing harm towards people who are gay and wish to express themselves the way a heterosexual would is the best thing for the church. Perhaps it is time for the Roman church to abandon the involvement in family matters of an intimate nature. The fact that a single sex-fraternity of celibate men can council married adults has always been bewilderment to me. I know elements of the Roman Church are convinced that they hold the keys to salvation but perhaps it is up to God to judge who goes to heaven. I hope I have not offended anyone.
the bible states homesexual sex is a sin. it does not state being left-handed is a sin. thus there is no comparison. however you are entitled to your opinion, so if you left it at that I would not be offended. but you go on to describe the priesthood as a "sex-fraternity of celibate men" and slander Catholics by claiming we are for the insitutionalization of harming gay people, and you hope you haven't offended anyone? yeah right.
frank adp I'm sorry if I offended you. Now let me be more clear. What I meant by single sex fraternity of celibate men was not meant to offend but point out the obvious fact that senior decision makers in the Roman Church are not women because women are barred from becoming priests and being promoted to high ecclesiastical office. This means that the decision makers are a single-sex(men) fraternity(brotherhood of clerics) making decisions for men and women(breeding families). The reason I say that the Roman Church institutionally harms gay people is that the language towards gay members or the Roman Church has been mean spirited. For this I would invite you to read Pope Benedict the XVI Christmas Speech on Family values in 2012. Pope Benedict said gay marriage was a threat to world peace at a time when 3 American states permitted gay marriage. Some workers in Roman Church schools and institutions were fired once the administrators discovered that their workers were married to someone of the same sex despite the fact that it is illegal to terminate someone based on who they are.
You are correct, there are passages in the bible that could be interpreted as stating that gay sex being sinful, but I'll let God himself judge who is a sinner and not some man made institution. Some in the Roman Church teach that only membership in that church guarantees salvation. Some have gone so far as to label Protestants as heretics. Do you see how mean spirited some man-made ecclesiastical organizations can be? Remember, God made gay people too and it seems that gay people are reminding us just how far we should love one another as Christ commended. As far as I can see, all religions offend others, all religions tell their flock that they have the truth. I don't want to offend, I just want the merciful compassionate love that Jesus spoke about to be the first thing we think about when we deal with other people.
N Goddard well that's what happens when you have a misplaced hyphen! :)
you wrote single sex-fraternity, but you meant single-sex fraternity. I think you can see how it was easy to misunderstand. Anyway, I still disagree with you, but at least you weren't being offensive.
The church is not the one getting involved. It is the legal system imposing. Marriage is a religious thing. The courts or the congress can resolve this simply by changing their view s and if they want this then separate marriage to religion only and unions for legality. The government should never have gotten involved with marriage
Humanity needs a new model upon which to base ethics, morality, compassion, fortitude and the expression of all love.
When I was in India with a charitable organization, I came a across a boy in an orphanage who was quite physically and mentally disabled. I made a comment to his caretakers that it was wonderful they took care of him with such love and affection for this poor child left in the street to die by his parents. I was quickly corrected and told not to feel sympathy for this boy, as he must have done something just horrible in his previous life to born like that. I was shocked by the disdain...
First of all, thank you for the reply. I appreciate it.
What I'm trying to do is make the distinction between "right now I am unable to act on my attractions morally" and "I can never act on my attractions morally." I agree one can never be satisfied by acting on their attractions ever, and this is what makes a homosexual's situation worse. Never being able to marry and act upon their given attractions without sinning
It just seems pointless or cruel to bring someone into the world like this.
Why can't gay children be taught to be chaste, that their situation makes it impossible to be "life giving" in family life?
And I have heard stories where priest who may be homosexual, but have lived joyous (keyword there) blessed lives without trying to force the homosexual agenda. They understand that they have struggles and such but have chosen God is much greater than their attractions and temptations
John Hollowell isn't a pedophile. He's just as much a victim of the church's teachings as are the children of Ireland at the mercy of the church's tyranny. He's just afraid of how his bishops would react, and won't stand in favor of homosexual sex until he realizes that it takes a thick skin to take a few lashes in the name of social progress. As he gets older, I have hope he'll start to think for himself and realize in his heart that the living Jesus Christ stands for social justice and love.
We all have attractions that we can never act on. A heterosexual guy experiences attractions hourly that he can never act on.
I see what you are saying to some extent - a heterosexual guy can get married and have sex with his wife...but the problem with that is that is there REALLY some LASTING effect for that guy because he had sex with his wife?
Put differently - Dave has sex with his wife Stephanie. How long does that calm his sexual attractions?
To say that it is pointless that someone who can't act on their attractions should not have been born is human thinking. God created all things for a purpose. if some people were born with homosexual attractions, there must have been a reason for it. They must discern and pray for what God wants of their lives. Yes they may have no sex, but God will reward them for their chastity in heaven.
It's no problem. Thank you for being polite.
I'm saying that there are countless sins that can send you to hell, but homosexuals have that +1. We all have to resist fornication but they are barred from ever acting on their attraction because they can never get married. I think you're understanding what I'm saying. Isn't it also unfair that they will not be able to bond and share life with a significant other? Being born homosexual would be forcibly taking this experience from them.
How is denigration, the degradation, and the defamation of the love two homosexual men have for each other by Fr John Hollowell anything other than demonic or pure evil? He hasn't even done any extensive exegesis for God's sake! Think critically people think critically! Church teaching on this will have to change - eventually.
Why don't you look up what Mother Teresa said about human sexuality! She did more for the poor than perhaps anyone in the history of the world...she still spoke out about the evil of legalizing abortion, and she spoke often about the need to help people understand what the Church teaches about homosexuality. Thanks for trying to tell me how to spend my time and what to talk about, but I decline your suggestion.
You have to ask yourself this question ; If you were an all powerful and all loving God, would you get rid of pain, suffering, and starvation? It sounds to me that the universe and humans are the way we are simply because that's how nature is. You said it yourself.
If God does intervene, how does one rationalize him? Why would God heal a wealthy white person in America but not provide food for a child in Africa? On the other hand if God does nothing, what would compel you to believe he exists?
Not a word about spiritual warfare. This same sex attraction can be a subtle way that Satan uses to deceive many people.
Protestants Jews and Muslims don't HAVE priests
I think it's wrong to break a vow because it's something they did voluntarily and consciously (at least 4 years of discernment)... But that's another topic.
About the other stuff, I think I overall would agree. The thing is that I'm not sure how someone stating a religious moral teaching is "judging someone who hasn't chosen that path" ... I mean, I've never had a priest tell me to take a vow of celibacy or judging me for not choosing his path...
If you don't act on your attractions, you will explode. What is repressed will eventually be expressed inappropriately. The only way to not explode is to manage your sexuality in a healthy, appropriate way. This means that people are sexual beings and need sexual release and if you repress that need, you increase the chance that you will express it in a way that is not healthy and maybe not legal.
there are people naturally attracted to children, their relatives, more than one man or woman and the list goes on. Just because an individual marries, does not mean that all other attractions go away. All are called to chastity, whether married, single, gay or straight. How wonderful God made us that we can control our impulses, unlike animals. And sadly, our culture treats us as animals and expects as much of us. "Vote with your lady parts" comes to mind.
i have never heard that before. thank you.
thanks for sharing your opinion
all the things I've heard u stay r truy i converted in 2010 since that time i live a life of chastity. my young yrs were why did God make me this way n cryred myself n asked for God to change me but i didn't change. today really all my life i have been depressed. suffered from addiction
Ah, the ol' progressive mantra - "FORWARD." - as in "things just keep getting better if we move forward - of course the progressive mantra fails to account for how at many points in history actually got worse by moving "forward". I would suppose that most in 1940's Germany longed to back in time, and found the "just keep moving forward and things will get better" mantra to be quite a substantial lie
Suicide: not immoral (unless you have people depending on you, AKA not alone). "Self-mutilation:" not immoral (and just a tagline that Christians use to hate on people who get tattoos, piercings, and medical surgeries).
I can't justify God's actions on why there is homosexuality, but I know he provides ways through the catholic church to overcome these things. Yes it may be a struggle, but God who is Jesus overcame death when He rose from the dead. And yes it may be unfair in our eyes, but for people who have lived that lifestyle and are happy then it must have been a blessing for them to have that suffering place on them
If I were an all powerful and all loving God. I am not. Even if I were to try to fathom what logic God has I can't human logic cannot comprehend God's wisdom. If you are a parent, you would try your best to make sure they don't do stupid things like drink bleach. There is only so much that you can do as a parent, eventually you'll have to let them learn for themselves.
And how do I rationalize Him? Grace. Grace is God's gift to us in the form of what we need.
It's not a minority. Whether you are aware of it or not the scapegoating of homosexuality is a distraction and political move by the Catholic church to avoid confronting their own endemic problem of sexual dysfunction.
27:58-32:00 "Homosexual attraction is not in my control at this moment." That is UTTER nonsense. Homosexual sex is not a sin. Making gay children feel guilty is the real sin - their attractions are natural and should be embraced. It's unhealthy to repress it.
Segragation and gay marriage have nothing in common. The Bible never says anything about race but it does say something about homosexual interaction. Plus gay persons can marry while black were not allowed basic rights.
As an homosexual young man i have to say that the reason i "join" the Catholic Church is not for the way it describes me, only psychology actually describes me a complete way, the reason i "join" it is because i cannot forget the love message of Jesus who is always with me, even when i sleep with a guy. Nobody but me knows what i feel, and nobody's going to bring me down. The catholic church is not the only reality around the world, and the Holy Spirit is anywhere. Regards.
Learn to be concise, because I do not go sifting through comments for multireplies.
The fact of the matter is that "objective morality" does not exist beyond the limits of an objective perpetrator and an objective victim. Therefore, many of the "truths" that Christians espouse as "truths" are in fact nothing more than religious tripe, as you cannot prove a perpetrator and a victim of the contextual issues here in this video.
Nice red herring...
To prove my point I only have to use your points! I'll show you and "everyone": If the Church did in fact ban Christmas gifts, etc., then we see that this is a PRACTICE, and not a TEACHING. Or eating meat on Friday being a mortal sin, even if it's true, it's the same, it's a PRACTICE, and not a TEACHING... Please get your stuff right before preaching ;)
how about the slightest shred of humility from you and perhaps admitting that one need not have sex to know something about it
Ephesians 6:5 and Colossians 3:22 have nothing to do with segragation and St. Paul was talking in the context of Roman slavery. If you would have bothered to read Galatians 3:28, Paul clearly does not approve of segragation.
About homosexual relationships the Bible says what it says that they are forbiden by God.
Thank you for the reply.
I'm not saying we don't have the ability to deny ourselves, I'm saying, how cruel and pointless is it of God to create an individual with those innate attractions given they can never act on them?
If you're not born heterosexual you automatically do not have a choice to act on your attractions in their lifetime. That does not seem fair to take away a choice when attraction is a multi-daily urge every day of your life.
if they want to get married in court why not? unfortunatly thats not what they want. They want to force every religion except for one to validate and approve of them. they want to have christian bakeries bake wedding cales and have priests marry them in a catholic church. where do your rights trump mine?
Archaic as in all the way back to the 1980's when psychologists DID speak about homosexual acts as psychologically problematic? You can't say the 60's 70's and 80's were a period of intellectual enlightenment and then claim that those same people were completely wrong about homosexual acts. BTW many shrinks still today are in line with what the Church says. Your phrase "the rest of" is a lie
As a master's level clinical therapist working with families...of all different compositions, most seek understanding and compassion and inclusivity. The idea that same sex couples are simply incapable of creating loyal and loving and healthy unions and families is nonsense and there is an ocean filled with solid clinical research to support this.
If your faith were to say that segregation was permissible, then I hope you would agree with me that you renouncing your faith to stand up for truth would be the most noble course of action. The parallels between homosexual marriage and segregation has even been brought up by Missouri pastor Phil Snider beautifully in this video (watch?v=A8JsRx2lois) which shows that Fr. Hollowell is standing on the wrong side of history and needs to embrace the change that is inevitably coming.
00:51 Father. I am so scandalised. You just destroyed my faith in you and your miraculous Healing! How can you talk publicly about such a topic IN MIXED company? Not only that, I see women in the classroom and I cannot believe you would say that in front of them.
Fair enough, but I have a question. Say a priest rapes a child, do you think God can forgive that sin if the priest truly repents?
Seeing that you're more concerned on how you're so great at reading comprehension and being concise, and telling me what to do... I see very little point in discussing further, especially since you rather not even read all the points...
Though I'm curious as to your last point, of how "obj morality does not exist beyond etc.," and I'm not sure I quite follow...
I'll let you explain, but I'd like to see a case in which there is no victim, just an immoral action done by a character alone...
I propose that you can do exactly what you just said without ever having to reference God. You are the one that does something in this scenario, you can be selfless without God. Helping out mankind benefits everyone because to me, life is the only thing I do have. I don't believe in an afterlife. So to decrease someone else's suffering is extremely fulfilling. If we truly are the ones taking action, what reason is there to believe God has any part of it? Look at secular humanism on wikipedia.
i fail to understand how acting on my nature to love someone else can be wrong when i didnt even choose to be homosexual
Religion is made up tribal discrimination. There's no good objective evidence for any God(s). The Catholic Church used to burn witches and discriminate against left-handed people. Under natural law, masturbation is worse than rape, because rape can at least lead to pregnancy and is only against another person, while masturbation sinned against God. Aquinas wrote about this. Aquinas also thought heretic should be tortured/killed. He's like ISIS.
All wrong. Masturbation is like assassinating kids in an absolutely most self-centered and sterile act.
Having same sex attraction doesn't make you gay. One thing is to "feeling" and other completely different thing is to "being". Means, that you can have SSA but not being or practicing homosexuality. God allows the cross of homosexuality for your sanctification and the others.
Religious people: masturbation kills children
Me: mAsturBAtiOn kIlLs cHilDrEn
You chose to act on those choices.
On your last post, no it isn't fair. Of course we would want to question God's decision on lots of things, be it; war, death, pain, suffering, and homosexuality. Why have it this way? Couldn't it have be done other ways where all those things didn't exist? It could have been because God is all powerful, but it wasn't because that's the way the universe and humans have it.
I'm more concerned with being relevant in context of this video.
Given that objective morality cannot be determined beyond an objective perpetrator and an objective victim, there is no immoral action to be done by a character alone. Ex] masturbation is not immoral, drinking is not immoral, consuming shellfish is not immoral, loving a spouse is not immoral. And the circumstances in which these become immoral are when one is not alone. Hence drunk driving: risking others lives is immoral.
hello!!! could you subtitle this video into spanish??? I hope I write correctly.. thanks!!!
I figured out how to send messages, so I sent you one so I could cite some references for reading :)
Yes we are born into sin and shapen in iniquity, yet I don't see how this changes the situation. If you are born with homosexual attraction without your choice, you're still deprived of the simple ability to act on your attractions by default.
Original sin is the idea that nothing can be perfect anymore and we are all born into sin. Who else but God could change creation to reflect imperfection? It's all guided by an omniscient God. Original sin can't change anything it's just a representation
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I'll say it again, because there be many representations of a certain entity does not entail there are many or none. I give the same advice back to ya.
I never said religion equals morality... Your own advice given to you once again.
Islam is not older than Christianity, and either way Christianity has a long tradition of what we call Natural Law, which is derived from philosophical analysis and not from holy books.
I guess you're right, though. We got a misunderstanding on what we meant (cont)
But how about man's nature? Or suicide? Self-mutilation?
And yeah, this is now outside the context of the video now (though what he says rests under our definition of morality)... I was just responding to the claim of the timelessness stuff
It's not that hard to live without sex
Schism is a sin. The infection of heresy can be cured by first confronting a son with a brother or sister and if o result , than turning to the Church with 2 or 3 witnesses, (Matthew 18:15-20). If that does not turn the sinner, then for the sake of unity (John 17), the sinner is cast out of the Church and in the hands of Satan, (1 Corinthians 5:5, 1 Tim 1:20).
Schismatics are not in the ancient Catholic Church and therefore are not members of the Body of Christ. Jesus Christ has only one Bride.
Schismatics appeal to The Spiritual Church Fallacy to claim they are still part of the Church found in the New Testament. But this assumes that Christ has more than one Body, One Church and one Bride. These do not realize they grieve the Holy Spirit who never errs and never will lead the elect into Heresy and Apostasy. These are committing spiritual adultery.
The Heterodox curse the very thing they claim to love, the Body of Christ, his only Bride, His only Church. I never speak with the Orthodox, Assyrian, Coptic, or Oriental Churches with anything but Love, because they are members of the Body of Christ but are in opposition to its other members, they suffer:
1 Corinthians 12:15,21 NASB
If the foot says, "Because I am not a hand, I am not a part of the body," it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body. [21] And the eye cannot say to the hand, "I have no need of you"; or again the head to the feet, "I have no need of you."
We see they that just as in the body, the hand cannot be a foot, so those Apostolic Churches, must find there place in the body before they will be received back into the Church.
The leaders of those respective communions are going to pay a have price for there disunity, especially now with only being a cellphone call away and spurning the attempts and overtures at unity being sought by the Bishop of Rome.
Every Apostolic Church should fear the unification of Islam with Protestantism. Both hate the Catholic Church as much as Satan does. Once the Apostolic Churches are in full communion, then we will see Satan reveal himself as the supreme leader of Islam and Protestantism.
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ONE BIBLE
40,000 AND GROWING DENOMINATIONS AND CULTS. WELCOME TO THE SEA of CHAOS and DISUNITY we call PROTESTANTISM
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call me an idiot and bring more uncharitable stuff on here instead of talking about the content of the talk and I will block you and delete all of your comments. You've posted all over the place and have attempted to sabotage a conversation on here. If you don't change the tone and number of your posts on my videos, I will take action.
Care to engage anything of substance from the video?
Real mature deleting comments fuck face.
so then what shall we do with all the married and free to marry pedophiles? It is not a question of celibacy; it is a question of commitment in relationships and mastery of self.
hummm i don't think anyone thinks they are going to explode. lol how ignorant. I don't believe most people think they "have to act" -- they choose to act - because they want to act.
Most awesome Priest ever.
Okay let me ask you then. Why is it fulfilling to you? Why does it feel good inside when you do these selfless acts? Why haven't other humans done the same way in helping out their own race? I mean if it is so easy for us to just let out the selflessness in us then we should have already done so. Why do only a small few decide "hey let help the less fortunate and poor in our midst" ?
I was not molested I am afraid. I was born to devout Catholic and Presbyterian parents. I played sports to a high level and had no lack of male role models or influences in my life. I know Catholics would like to blame us for all sorts of things so that their teachings can be seen to be accurate but being gay is not some act of rebellion against God I am afraid...
Which God? Your God? Or all of the Gods that existed before your God?
we'll see
If I read up on the human body and medicine, and that's all I did, would you come see me for medical advice if you found an odd colored lump on your neck? Would you let me treat you for it???Even though I don't have MD written after my name, by golly I should know what I am diagnosing you with right? Cause I read up on it. Right?
archaic? try ancient Rome. Didn't work out too well for them.
I wish I had went to a Catholic school
According to Christianity yes we all have to resist the flesh in many different cases. I'm pointing out the inherent unfairness of this particular situation.
I'm assuming you've taken a vow of celibacy but that was a personal choice. To purposefully deny someone the option of creating a lifelong connection with someone and sharing that bond intimately seems once again unfair. And replacing that opportunity with an innate desire to engage in sinful homosexual acts is the part that seems cruel.
(cont.). You speak of "timeless moral teaching" and I was speaking of truth and objective morality. So yes, a moral teaching may be wrong, like if anyone ever condoned raping, but still objective morality will always be the same and "timeless." Rape will always be immoral, even if a religion or a group would say otherwise.