Thanks for posting; really looking forward to updated firmware. I do like the hearing the first couple of layers, gives a good idea of noise; though not sure it's needed every time as you move forward.
Nice to see and hear how the XL actually works. Not too many 360mm printers that will soon have toolchangers out there to look at. Plenty of knobs to make it go fast if one needs that - however going fast often makes weaker parts which is important for those of us making actual useful items where strength is important. Not everything is a race.
Thanks for the video and your time. Looks lke you're having a great time with your new machine. Is this machine works for you that's just fine. Keep posting videos an enjoy!
I like the video format, and seeing the first few layers print at normal speed - thank you. And thank you for showing the speed of the bench file from the Mk4. In general do the prints always start at the bottom left? Or can you specify where they print in the slicer like you can do on the Mk3? I’d love to see how PrusaConnect works with USB cameras etc and does it detect bad prints? Or do you use OctaPrint on your farm? It’d be cool to see your print room too and all your another printers! Thanks again!
Thanks! When you load a print into slicer, it sets it in the middle. But when you "align" it puts it in the front left. I believe this has something to do with the modular bed heating. I have not seen any way to change the setting other than just moving it again by dragging with the cursor. I don't have Octoprint or use any cameras all the time to monitor prints. Honestly I feel once I have tuned a print, I rarely have any issues except maybe running out of filament. Yes I will have to do a little tour for my printer room. Thank you!
I have to say thanks for showing us the "speed" of the printer, everywhere else has avoided the subject completely and now we see why. Are you planning on adding other toolheads to this when it becomes available?
Yeah just talking about default settings seems to start a war. I have another Day 1 order for a 5 toolhead kit. I'll just see which becomes available first. Thanks!
I love how it’s so cool to bash on Prusa these days. Why? Because they didn’t come out with input shaping first? I think we’d all like faster prints(and the XL certainly has the potential to be faster), but my biggest concern is that when I hit “print” and walk away, go to bed, or work, or bed then work then bed again I can expect to come back to a finished, quality print. I’d also like to know that the companies I support are gonna be around to support me back.
The problem is the XL and MK4 would have been impressive 2 years ago. Things have changed drastically and while you want a reliable printer, that can also be had at a fraction of the price with other brands. The issue here is I have an Anet A8 that beats the speed of these 2 printers and matches quality and reliability. Yes it's not stock or out of the box but this is still a 7+ year old printer that has been used heavily in a print farm! I understand the importance of support in the industry and strong customer support which is why I was really hoping Prusa would knock this one out of the park but tell me that they done seem unfinished and rushed since the firmware isn't done and the claim of all this testing has been done without the claimed speeds of when the firmware is finalized... Yes the mk4 is just a mk3 with some upgrades but you could do the same by slapping a pi on it, running Klipper and ramp up the speed that way. Times are changing and what worked 5-10 years ago isn't competitive in the current market. Again I want them to do well, and I hope that Prusa really do nail this launch. So far it's looking great but given Creality are about to launch a Bambu clone, Qidi have theirs as well, and the elephant in the room is obviously impacting sales. I get that Prusa is about print quality and that's a great thing but the Bambu spits out a flawless benchy in 15 minutes... Sure we don't know if these machines will be running in 6 months time given how hard parts could be to get, but your average new user isn't going to really look at that
@@visioncreations4236 I honestly agree with most of this. Prusa led the way and now they’re being caught… maybe even passed up a bit. But, they’ve been struggling just to keep up with demand for the last 5 years and launching new printers that generate even more demand. I’m not worried about their future because I believe their customer base is largely people who caved in after trying the other, cheaper options or shiny new cube with lofty promises and being disappointed. Based on the reviews I’ve seen the current batch of shiny cubes are far from living up to promises or the hype they’re receiving and will probably generate more Prusa customers. I think we’re seeing some divides in the “community” right now. Where not long ago you kinda had to be a “hobbyist” just to get a decent print and the overall feeling was that “we” were all in this together, and we all bashed on the shiny new crowdfunded cubes together😁 Now we have a growing “pure consumer” presence who just want to print some helmets and dragons and such without a bunch of hassle and there are plenty of machines that can provide this and “shiny cube” manufacturers who are targeting them. We have the “prosumer/print farmers” who need rock solid performance and reliability or more advanced material/design/engineering capabilities on a budget… which seems to be Prusa’s primary target group. Then we have the “hobbyists/tuners” the gpu overclockers of 3DP and people who love to tinker, who are responsible for pretty much everything in every “our level” printer and currently seem to be bashing on everything that isn’t a Voron, when they can drag themselves away from GitHub. These groups aren’t really new, but the divide is, the fanboyism is and the gatekeeping is. Remove any one group, or Prusa, or even Creality and consumer level 3D printing doesn’t end up as good as it is right now. I think the multi tool XL is the right printer right now for people who fall into the growing “prosumer” camp. I know I’m pretty damn excited about it and hope that it works well when I eventually get mine sometime in November maybe. Input shaping and faster print speed would be a bonus, but that doesn’t affect my dreams of a solid PLA cored, Nylon shelled and TPU coated bocce ball set.
That's cool. Looks like you are using that 'overture' filament and I noticed when I use it versus prusamint he quality is a bit lower like that with a little "stringyness'.
That purge line supposed to be on the cutting edge like that? I’d be curious about multi-color on the xl and how smooth the transition is using a single head
Isnt it using multiple heads for different colours/ material? Dont know if you can attach a MMU to the XL. Would maybe be a better option to just go with the different heads.
Multi color single head is not a thing without the MMU3. I am not sure if the MMU3 will work on the XL or only for MK4. Multi tool switches.. from a year ago.. were dong in < 3 seconds with no waste. HUGE improvement over X1C and AMS setups. Will bring true multi material/nozzle options that no other printer can do. I have no doubt we will see amazing prints that can only be done on the XL.
@@b3owu1f Color changes can be done in a single head config.. even the MK3S.. the print stops, unloads the filament, loads the next color and does a purge before resume. Once the change has been done it goes through the same process to the original/next color. In terms of the XL I wonder if its even more automated and how the resume once changed looks on a final print. Without a MMU I typically only do this for embossed text on the top layers
These first ones that are shipping now are "fully-assembled". Honestly that term isn't quite right. You still have to attach the toolhead and the filament holder. But it's pretty minimal. There are no calibrations needed. It took me about 30 mins to get it unboxed, ooogled and put together. I'm sure it could be done even faster. I also ordered a "semi-assembled 5 toolhead" but these aren't shipping yet. Thanks!
Great video. I am disappointed that the XL isn't very fast right now... surely Prusa will update that? I'm... nervous. I appreciate the simple test you've done!
Everything I have compared is about 1/3 faster on the XL than the MK3s. Depends on what you are comparing. I purchased for the size but yes we will see.
@@tada3dprinting - Hmm... that's fair. I guess I was expecting the input shaping to be further along, since the print head has an accelerometer already built-in, but I guess we'll have to see. Thank you for all this great early content!
Not sure why people are comparing prusa xl to bambo etc, until they bring out a bigger machine they are totally different use cases. Would be good to see different speed settings against quality on this printer. I am interested in getting one as i print large items, and even modest speed upgrades can make a huge difference in print times when we're talking a day to print a large item. Have you played around in prusaslicer and move away from standard settings? Would be good to not print a small benchy but something more appropriate for the size of printer. Appreciate your videos on the prusa xl.
I agree. I think they are compared because they are both Core XY. My XL is faster than the MK3 and even the MK4 before Input Shaping hit. Once input shaping comes out on the XL, the speed will be even better. I'll keep coming out with more videos. Thanks!
I thought it looked odd at first. But now I like it because I can grab the purge line without touching the bed. If I can pop and slide the print, I don't even have to clean the bed in between prints. Thanks!
Won't be able to push 5-7k accels and maintain print quality without an input shaper. Right now Prusa has the XL profiles tuned to what the frame alone is mechanically capable of compensating for. Perhaps a bit less, since they're pretty conservative with their profiles, but probably pretty close. Once they finish the input shaper + pressure advance firmware (which I expect they're primarily adapting from Klipper) we should really see what the XL is capable of.
@tada3dprinting No, just generic shapes. A two (one) inch cube and a cylinder would give a lot of information. I am very curious if this printer is capable of matching the Mk3.5 printer dimensional accuracy and surface quality.
@@EdwardKrapovnitsky it's a little tricky to compare the stock nozzles between both machines. But I do have some more coming. I'll work on this. Thanks!
@tada3dprinting if there are any consistent dimensional inaccuracies between axis that should be noticeable with the stock nozzle. The surface distortions and artifacts may be evaluated with the stock nozzle too. I think the stock nozzle would suffice for a brief check.
Just on this vid - the machine is a lot quieter. The harmonic vibration isn't as bad as that other video - i think in Prusa latest update they were changing things to reduce noise at certain speeds so hopefully you have a "fixed" machine and it was just the table. Quality in 0.25 looks good. Will be good to see it run faster on the new firmware. I won't get mine (2 nozzle) till later in year :( Depending on these vids and others i may proceed or maybe not - so far watching your vids - thinking I may proceed. if others align tou what your showing then it will be good. Hopefully some things will improve by then too. some early adopter issues will be fixed after 8 or so mths.
Yeah I had a lot of echoing going on with my setup in previous video. I'm happy with it. But I can see waiting until they make any adjustments. Thanks!
I wonder why the same settings sliced for the XL and MK4 end up with such different print times. Must be acceleration speeds. Also the quality or speed may be better printing the bench in back corner or as the machine may be stiffer there.
Yeah I don't know why they were different. And I will keep working on speeding it up. Just wanted to start with presets. The default location on the XL is the front left. I can't remember why. I think it has something to do with the way the modular beds heat.
I mean.. did she adjust her settings? You're basing this on on person's settings.. wait for those that really know how to fine tune the crap out of the printer.. and input shaping.. before making any judgements. At least give the printer a little time to be in the market, work out some bugs, etc..
@@b3owu1f If I criticize someone then the Prusa Slicer and Prusa for the fact that a device is on the market although it does not have all the features. I am happy about every test.
Looks like there are part cooling issues with the XL. If you look at the second benchy that was done with a .4 nozzle which isn't that fast @ 29min or so... you can see the front bottom hull caved in. To be honest, was tempted to get one of these printers at the beginning, but now I feel good that I didn't get one.
This makes me really appreciate my Modified Tronxy X5SA-400. I always push my printer for speed and quality, and fine tune the resonance so its quiet at the high speeds, but I always feel like its not good enough. After seeing this, I feel like I have a really decent printer.
You should hang a video and explain the mods you’ve done. I considered that as a base for some conversions but if it really doesn’t need that much I’d get it and leave it stock
@@HReality I'm not sure about a video, but I can tell you some of what i changed on here... I upgraded to BTT SKR 1.4 Turbo, TMC2209, with BTT 3.5TFT E3. I have sensorless homing enabled as well. Before I changed the board and lcd, I ran marlin on the stock board and lcd which allowed me to tweak and fine tune it, along with z align the 2 motors as well as increase to very high speeds... I wanted sensorless homing and silent drivers so i upgraded the board. Putting marlin on the board was night and day compared to the garbage firmware Tronxy ships them with though.
I thought the standard settings for a benchy was 0.4mm nozzle and 0.2mm layer ht? changing the layer height and nozzle size doesn't reflect a true time in that case...
Thanks for your feedback! I do agree the benchy in the video was with a .4 nozzle. The comments said .25 layer height with 10% infill. I don't have a .4 nozzle for my XL. I only have .6 so I compared slicer setting on this nozzle on both printers.
@@Unscientifically I know it's easy to mix settings up. I was just trying to keep .6 nozzle the same in all cases because that's all I have on the XL.
@@JasonHamiltonUSA But the XL does not have it right now. So if you buy it now then that shouldn't be a reason. You would wait for it to become available.
Good morning, I am also above the rendering that I find very average. well we are at the beginning of the life of the printer. but agrees with what is said below about releasing the MK4 at the same time... Pursa not serious. @karl I am also waiting to see the rest of the tests. because at 2670€ HT the 2 tools mounted. I risk canceling my reservation thanks again for your work
Lots of people here complaining about speed, price, etc. and comparing it to single toolhead printers with smaller build volumes, lol. Completely different machines with different use cases. By all means, though, feel free to post a faster, more cost-effective automated toolchanger design than the XL. Go ahead, I'll wait.
In my opinion, the XL is way overpriced... except for its tool-changing ability. That really is a game changer. But if someone doesn't value being able to print in multiple materials or with multiple nozzle types/diameters, then I'd agree that the XL isn't a good product for them, and they should go with the Mk4.
I hope that the Prusa XL gets better because it seems downright disappointing. 40mins for a bad-looking benchy is worse than a stock ender 3 at 27x the price 💀. Personally, I think that while the delays may be somewhat down to sourcing, their main issue is that they have invested a ton into a developing a product which would have been good 4yrs ago.
Anyone judging based on this one persons use.. and not accounting for the multi head in a few months.. should not even bother. Give it some time.. its brand new. Bambu came out with lots of problems out of the gate. They resolved many.. some still stay. Once the multi head comes out.. even at slower individual print times, when you start to see what it can do, if its something you want to do in printing it will be the only printer able to do it. I am reserving judgement for when the input shaping is working, and the kinks are worked out and multi tool is out.
@@Ec1ipse.. I don't know.. E3D's tool changer is 4 heads, costs more, and looks very similar with slower speeds, etc. Haven't even seen anyone show a video on that one. I agree the tool changing has to work consistently without a hitch.. if it has issues.. that's going to be a problem for the success. The premium is steep.. but you are also getting something nobody else has that will print things no other printer can. On the flip side.. look at Ultimaker.. they have nice printers..but at $5K to $10K that are slower and less capable than many sub $2000 printers.. why do people still buy those?
I doubt most people are trying to print a stock sized benchy on their XL as their main print. I just wanted to have something to compare it to. I'm happy with the printer but to each their own. Thanks!
So much hate in these comments. It will always be slow on the old Marlin firmware. Wait until input shaper is finished and then we can compare against other brands.
It'll probably just be a little slower than a voron of the same size, depends on how heavy that toolhead is because the voron stealthburner is pretty heavy
Sorry, this is FAR from a "speed benchy". A ~40min benchy from your first print is just typical, and a well-tuned, slightly upgraded ender 3 will fair the same (me and many others in the community have already done it) or even faster. My Voron Trident is far cheaper than this machine and gets far better performance.
Yeh not really a speed benchy but comparing this machine to your Voron is a bit weird. This machine is a different animal than the Voron Trident. Correct me if i am wrong but your voron trident doesn't have as large of a build volume or the option for 5 tool heads. Yes i know there are a few different multi material options for the voron but its not the same. Yeh if you need a single material per print get a voron over this but you are probably not even looking at this machine if that is all you need. Also, not fair to compare this machine with the Bambu as again they are different animals. Yes a bambu does have the option for multiple materials in a single print but it still not the same as having multiple heads. If you try to print lets say PC in the same print as TPU bambu will tell you noway because you could easily clog the nozzle due to the high temperature difference. Couple this with the fact that this machine will not waste as much time or filament on purging and you really start to see where it shines. Honestly, This machine is specialized and if you don't need that specialization you are probably wasting your time but if you have the correct application then you will understand that a Voron or Bambu just doesn't compare. Only and Idex machine or something like E3D Tool Changer motion system can be compared with this.
Well it will get faster once it get that "input shaping" firmware update. I don't have a Prusa XL or any prusa, nor do I plan on buying one. They are too expensive. I do have a Bambu X1C, which was probably already too expensive and more than I need. But I don't like waiting long for prints.
@@UbberMapper We have to looked with the eyes of your soul? That's very slow. I'm agree with you about multi material, but there are others options that print multil material and faster. Plus why prusa sell this printer with only 1 tool change? Instead they should sell minimum 2 toolheads. Maybe they should took the klipper avenue a not the Marlin one. But I heard from a fan boy that they went with Marlin because klipper is so much faster that does make sence... 🤥🤔 You see now fan boys are batching klipper and other brands because prusa can't make a 2023 printer. They love the past. That's why they keep making 2017 technology. There's another fan boy that claims that prusa is the Mercedes Ben and Apple combine printer in the industry 😂😂😂
@@JoseAguiloworkshops Which other toolchanger options do you know which are considerably faster than a Prusa XL. I don't know a single one. That aside, the XL is not built for speed benchy competitions. The actual value of such is also really limited beyond a technical race for speed which can be fun just for the sake of it.
@@JoseAguiloworkshops Not sure what you mean by the eyes of my soul LOL. I wasn't trying to say that the machine is awesome or that nothing else compares. Personally, i do not own a prusa and never have so not a fan boy. All i was trying to say is that comparing it to a voron isn't a fair comparison. Its like comparing apples and Tomatoes. Both are fruit but they have different uses. You are right about one thing for sure. This machine 100% should have shipped with 2 heads...There is no point in owning this machine with a single head. There are faster, larger and reliable options available for less money than this in the single head format.
@8:11 Why does prusa have their speed and accel settings set so low? that's even their draft setting. @8:27 looks like cooling issues, the bow is caved in. @8:45 those don't look good at all. inconsistent z layers. disappointing.
@@TMS5100 oh yeah know that what i am saying is that it printing as if it was a stock bed slinger. I got my ender to print at 10k accel at 300mm/s so far and looks better than this
@@b3owu1f true but at the same time this is as slow as bed slinger default speed, surely even without input shapingit can go fairly a bit faster than that
True. I'm not looking for perfect. I'm just comparing some speed presets. It seems to be the thing everyone requests. It's always a trade off right? More details take longer. Speed loses quality.
40 min benchy is a normal ender 3 bed slinger "speed" benchy lol. I could prob knock out a benchy at .4 layer height in about 10 mins with my x1 carbon lol
I have an Anet with Klipper, an orbiter extruder and a 32 bit board that does them in 23 minutes with better quality than this. Brand loyalty is only worth so much
A stock or at least stock-ish E3 with Marlin and no IS should be able to do about 23 minutes with high nozzle temp, CHT nozzle, and maybe some external help with cooling.
I'm so sorry but this is so much more than disappointing! The device costs 2K in the basic version. You then have to assemble it yourself and you can print PLA and PETG with it at a speed that any Chinese printer can handle faster. People have forgotten that there are actually people like you, ordered the printer as a single print head machine and want to Print big and nice. But the only advantage comes about when you use more than 2 print heads and the price increases again not insignificantly. I think I'll wait for a firmware update and then I'll leave my place for the multi to someone else in the row if my concerns still exist. the printer seems to be a complete design flaw and 2 years too late on the market. in addition, the mk4 is then thrown onto the market at the same time. who developed it strategically? sad and embarrassing for anyone who calls himself a Prusa XL owner. It really would be embarrassing if I would use this machine for that money and would justify what comes with it. Beside of that, you are so much a help for all the ppl out there wich payed and did not get THIS Infos from Prusa himself by now. Shame on them. Appreciate your nice work!!!!
I understand wanting to wait past the first generation. But I am confused why you say you can't print with PLA? I do think Prusa should have released the single toolhead before the multi toolhead. And releasing the MK4 at the same time seems odd to me too. Thanks for your feedback!
@@tada3dprinting sorry it got translated wrong :) I ment the XL is out of the box just for basic filament any printer should handle. The XL should at least came with the windshield they showed up sometimes. At this range of price it needs way more then good quality for basic filaments like PLA and PETG.
I mean it's not trash, it's just too expensive in my opinion... With any of Bambu Lab printers you get better print quality and faster print times, compared to this benchy, but Prus XL is A LOT quieter than bambu lab printers. I'm using my P1P over a month now, it's really incredible printer so far.
@Broski Snowski yes and no, the bambu for example can waste more filament purging than it used in the model. That's far from ideal, especially in a business. Printing supports, printing flexible sections inside parts etc are definitely a major strong suit for the xl. The lack of enclosure and heating detracts from the multi material idea though. You wouldn't have a hope of a big ASA print not warping on that machine. Let alone nylon or polycarb.
I wouldn’t say I agree… For default settings and lack of input shaping as well as other firmware improvements I’d say it’s not bad. Once the firmware gets a few updates I suspect we will see some speed improvements - but with speed can come a compromise in parts performance, not sure you’re buying a £2-4,000 XL to print trinkets. Likely want to print high performance functioning parts… Other printers will print them faster but with a higher failure rate and compromised strength.
Easier to make video with a cheap camera. I also print on corners if I need to make a clear video using my phone as if I zoom in the video quality is not good. You can bring the camera very close to the print without zooming in.
Horizontal Video! We did it boys! 😁
Haha finally!
If you have the time and filament, try printing the torture toaster.
Ok. Is it on printables?
@@tada3dprinting Yes, just search "The torture toaster". It's a good mechanical and clearance testing benchmark.
Thank you for these excellent XL videos!
Thank you!
Thanks for posting; really looking forward to updated firmware. I do like the hearing the first couple of layers, gives a good idea of noise; though not sure it's needed every time as you move forward.
Got it! Thanks!
45 minutes with 0.6 nozzle? Thats very slow and the benchy is far for perfect. Not too promissing..
Nice to see and hear how the XL actually works. Not too many 360mm printers that will soon have toolchangers out there to look at. Plenty of knobs to make it go fast if one needs that - however going fast often makes weaker parts which is important for those of us making actual useful items where strength is important. Not everything is a race.
I completely agree! I wanted a reliable printer to print the size. Anything else is just a bonus!
@@tada3dprinting yer my thoughts too. for me no 1 is quality and reliability , speed is nice to have but not at the cost of quality.
Thanks for the video and your time. Looks lke you're having a great time with your new machine. Is this machine works for you that's just fine. Keep posting videos an enjoy!
Thank you! I really appreciate it!
I like the video format, and seeing the first few layers print at normal speed - thank you.
And thank you for showing the speed of the bench file from the Mk4.
In general do the prints always start at the bottom left? Or can you specify where they print in the slicer like you can do on the Mk3?
I’d love to see how PrusaConnect works with USB cameras etc and does it detect bad prints? Or do you use OctaPrint on your farm? It’d be cool to see your print room too and all your another printers!
Thanks again!
Thanks! When you load a print into slicer, it sets it in the middle. But when you "align" it puts it in the front left. I believe this has something to do with the modular bed heating. I have not seen any way to change the setting other than just moving it again by dragging with the cursor.
I don't have Octoprint or use any cameras all the time to monitor prints. Honestly I feel once I have tuned a print, I rarely have any issues except maybe running out of filament.
Yes I will have to do a little tour for my printer room. Thank you!
I have to say thanks for showing us the "speed" of the printer, everywhere else has avoided the subject completely and now we see why.
Are you planning on adding other toolheads to this when it becomes available?
Yeah just talking about default settings seems to start a war. I have another Day 1 order for a 5 toolhead kit. I'll just see which becomes available first. Thanks!
I love how it’s so cool to bash on Prusa these days. Why? Because they didn’t come out with input shaping first? I think we’d all like faster prints(and the XL certainly has the potential to be faster), but my biggest concern is that when I hit “print” and walk away, go to bed, or work, or bed then work then bed again I can expect to come back to a finished, quality print. I’d also like to know that the companies I support are gonna be around to support me back.
The problem is the XL and MK4 would have been impressive 2 years ago. Things have changed drastically and while you want a reliable printer, that can also be had at a fraction of the price with other brands.
The issue here is I have an Anet A8 that beats the speed of these 2 printers and matches quality and reliability. Yes it's not stock or out of the box but this is still a 7+ year old printer that has been used heavily in a print farm!
I understand the importance of support in the industry and strong customer support which is why I was really hoping Prusa would knock this one out of the park but tell me that they done seem unfinished and rushed since the firmware isn't done and the claim of all this testing has been done without the claimed speeds of when the firmware is finalized... Yes the mk4 is just a mk3 with some upgrades but you could do the same by slapping a pi on it, running Klipper and ramp up the speed that way.
Times are changing and what worked 5-10 years ago isn't competitive in the current market.
Again I want them to do well, and I hope that Prusa really do nail this launch. So far it's looking great but given Creality are about to launch a Bambu clone, Qidi have theirs as well, and the elephant in the room is obviously impacting sales.
I get that Prusa is about print quality and that's a great thing but the Bambu spits out a flawless benchy in 15 minutes... Sure we don't know if these machines will be running in 6 months time given how hard parts could be to get, but your average new user isn't going to really look at that
I agree. And there is always adjustments to make so that things are faster but you have to start somewhere.
@@visioncreations4236
I honestly agree with most of this. Prusa led the way and now they’re being caught… maybe even passed up a bit. But, they’ve been struggling just to keep up with demand for the last 5 years and launching new printers that generate even more demand. I’m not worried about their future because I believe their customer base is largely people who caved in after trying the other, cheaper options or shiny new cube with lofty promises and being disappointed. Based on the reviews I’ve seen the current batch of shiny cubes are far from living up to promises or the hype they’re receiving and will probably generate more Prusa customers.
I think we’re seeing some divides in the “community” right now. Where not long ago you kinda had to be a “hobbyist” just to get a decent print and the overall feeling was that “we” were all in this together, and we all bashed on the shiny new crowdfunded cubes together😁 Now we have a growing “pure consumer” presence who just want to print some helmets and dragons and such without a bunch of hassle and there are plenty of machines that can provide this and “shiny cube” manufacturers who are targeting them. We have the “prosumer/print farmers” who need rock solid performance and reliability or more advanced material/design/engineering capabilities on a budget… which seems to be Prusa’s primary target group. Then we have the “hobbyists/tuners” the gpu overclockers of 3DP and people who love to tinker, who are responsible for pretty much everything in every “our level” printer and currently seem to be bashing on everything that isn’t a Voron, when they can drag themselves away from GitHub. These groups aren’t really new, but the divide is, the fanboyism is and the gatekeeping is. Remove any one group, or Prusa, or even Creality and consumer level 3D printing doesn’t end up as good as it is right now.
I think the multi tool XL is the right printer right now for people who fall into the growing “prosumer” camp. I know I’m pretty damn excited about it and hope that it works well when I eventually get mine sometime in November maybe. Input shaping and faster print speed would be a bonus, but that doesn’t affect my dreams of a solid PLA cored, Nylon shelled and TPU coated bocce ball set.
That's cool. Looks like you are using that 'overture' filament and I noticed when I use it versus prusamint he quality is a bit lower like that with a little "stringyness'.
I also probably need to lower the temp a little bit. But yes good to remember.
That purge line supposed to be on the cutting edge like that? I’d be curious about multi-color on the xl and how smooth the transition is using a single head
Isnt it using multiple heads for different colours/ material?
Dont know if you can attach a MMU to the XL.
Would maybe be a better option to just go with the different heads.
Multi color single head is not a thing without the MMU3. I am not sure if the MMU3 will work on the XL or only for MK4. Multi tool switches.. from a year ago.. were dong in < 3 seconds with no waste. HUGE improvement over X1C and AMS setups. Will bring true multi material/nozzle options that no other printer can do. I have no doubt we will see amazing prints that can only be done on the XL.
That's how my purge line always looks. This is a single toolhead so it will only print one color except for color changes on layers.
@@b3owu1f Color changes can be done in a single head config.. even the MK3S.. the print stops, unloads the filament, loads the next color and does a purge before resume. Once the change has been done it goes through the same process to the original/next color. In terms of the XL I wonder if its even more automated and how the resume once changed looks on a final print. Without a MMU I typically only do this for embossed text on the top layers
How long did the printer take to put together? I'm not sure what "Semi-Assembled" means. Thanks for the videos!
These first ones that are shipping now are "fully-assembled". Honestly that term isn't quite right. You still have to attach the toolhead and the filament holder. But it's pretty minimal. There are no calibrations needed. It took me about 30 mins to get it unboxed, ooogled and put together. I'm sure it could be done even faster. I also ordered a "semi-assembled 5 toolhead" but these aren't shipping yet. Thanks!
Great video. I am disappointed that the XL isn't very fast right now... surely Prusa will update that? I'm... nervous. I appreciate the simple test you've done!
Everything I have compared is about 1/3 faster on the XL than the MK3s. Depends on what you are comparing. I purchased for the size but yes we will see.
@@tada3dprinting - Hmm... that's fair. I guess I was expecting the input shaping to be further along, since the print head has an accelerometer already built-in, but I guess we'll have to see. Thank you for all this great early content!
@@alexsalchemy there is no input shaping on the XL at the moment.
yum yum prusa xl. i have one on order😊
Not sure why people are comparing prusa xl to bambo etc, until they bring out a bigger machine they are totally different use cases. Would be good to see different speed settings against quality on this printer. I am interested in getting one as i print large items, and even modest speed upgrades can make a huge difference in print times when we're talking a day to print a large item. Have you played around in prusaslicer and move away from standard settings? Would be good to not print a small benchy but something more appropriate for the size of printer. Appreciate your videos on the prusa xl.
I agree. I think they are compared because they are both Core XY. My XL is faster than the MK3 and even the MK4 before Input Shaping hit. Once input shaping comes out on the XL, the speed will be even better. I'll keep coming out with more videos. Thanks!
Is that purge line that is hanging like that actually what Prusa wants
I thought it looked odd at first. But now I like it because I can grab the purge line without touching the bed. If I can pop and slide the print, I don't even have to clean the bed in between prints. Thanks!
@@tada3dprinting lol. I think it was meant to be that way. Makes sense.
love your wiev of things
Thank you! I really appreciate it!
I would love to see a Bechy at 5000-7000mm/s acceleration 🤔
Yeah that would be fun to see. Let me try it out
Won't be able to push 5-7k accels and maintain print quality without an input shaper. Right now Prusa has the XL profiles tuned to what the frame alone is mechanically capable of compensating for. Perhaps a bit less, since they're pretty conservative with their profiles, but probably pretty close. Once they finish the input shaper + pressure advance firmware (which I expect they're primarily adapting from Klipper) we should really see what the XL is capable of.
Would be interesting to see dimensional accuracy tests. And quality at low speeds and highest resolutions.
Sure! Any specific stls you have in mind? Thanks!
@tada3dprinting No, just generic shapes. A two (one) inch cube and a cylinder would give a lot of information. I am very curious if this printer is capable of matching the Mk3.5 printer dimensional accuracy and surface quality.
@@EdwardKrapovnitsky it's a little tricky to compare the stock nozzles between both machines. But I do have some more coming. I'll work on this. Thanks!
@tada3dprinting if there are any consistent dimensional inaccuracies between axis that should be noticeable with the stock nozzle. The surface distortions and artifacts may be evaluated with the stock nozzle too. I think the stock nozzle would suffice for a brief check.
loving these! Let's see that nasa chainmail on the full bed plate!
Oooo that would be cool!
would be really cool. when you start today it will be finish to christmas this year ^^
I’d like to see how it prints “engineering” type filaments like; ABS, ASA, Nylon etc.
I'll work on this soon. Thanks!
probably poorly considering it doesn't have an enclosure
Just on this vid - the machine is a lot quieter. The harmonic vibration isn't as bad as that other video - i think in Prusa latest update they were changing things to reduce noise at certain speeds so hopefully you have a "fixed" machine and it was just the table. Quality in 0.25 looks good. Will be good to see it run faster on the new firmware. I won't get mine (2 nozzle) till later in year :( Depending on these vids and others i may proceed or maybe not - so far watching your vids - thinking I may proceed. if others align tou what your showing then it will be good. Hopefully some things will improve by then too. some early adopter issues will be fixed after 8 or so mths.
Yeah I had a lot of echoing going on with my setup in previous video. I'm happy with it. But I can see waiting until they make any adjustments. Thanks!
3D printers are getting so fast it's hard to tell if the video is speeded up :) The bow on the 0.4 benchy looks like it hit an iceberg to me
Have you only printed PLA?, what about PETG?, and especially Flexible materials?
So far just PLA. The main thing I print is PLA. But yes, I will try more filament.
I wonder why the same settings sliced for the XL and MK4 end up with such different print times. Must be acceleration speeds.
Also the quality or speed may be better printing the bench in back corner or as the machine may be stiffer there.
Yeah I don't know why they were different. And I will keep working on speeding it up. Just wanted to start with presets. The default location on the XL is the front left. I can't remember why. I think it has something to do with the way the modular beds heat.
Possibly minimum layer time setting.
The Prusa XL looks awesome!
Thank you so much!
Are the parts exact? Did you messure?
I just downloaded the benchy from Printables. I believe it was 2"
@@tada3dprinting
should be described with the benchy. Most are 50mm long, 30 wide, chimney 6mm outer/4mm inner and so on. Also surfaces are different.
@@tuxairborne this was the printable from Prusa Research. Does the standard one have this logo on the bottom too? Did I download a different one?
I really hope that with reales the speed is higher. When that's all, it's a bit disappointing. Especially 39 minutes at a 0.6 nozzel.
I mean.. did she adjust her settings? You're basing this on on person's settings.. wait for those that really know how to fine tune the crap out of the printer.. and input shaping.. before making any judgements. At least give the printer a little time to be in the market, work out some bugs, etc..
Yes this is just default settings to start with. I'm sure there is a lot of room to speed up.
Yes this is just default settings to start with. I'm sure there is a lot of room to speed up.
@@b3owu1f If I criticize someone then the Prusa Slicer and Prusa for the fact that a device is on the market although it does not have all the features.
I am happy about every test.
Looks like there are part cooling issues with the XL. If you look at the second benchy that was done with a .4 nozzle which isn't that fast @ 29min or so... you can see the front bottom hull caved in. To be honest, was tempted to get one of these printers at the beginning, but now I feel good that I didn't get one.
Its always nice to have others look at things so I don't miss anything. I am happy with the printer but it depends on what you're looking for. Thanks!
How about a hinge test.
Good idea! Any specific stl you suggest?
This makes me really appreciate my Modified Tronxy X5SA-400. I always push my printer for speed and quality, and fine tune the resonance so its quiet at the high speeds, but I always feel like its not good enough. After seeing this, I feel like I have a really decent printer.
You should hang a video and explain the mods you’ve done. I considered that as a base for some conversions but if it really doesn’t need that much I’d get it and leave it stock
@@HReality I'm not sure about a video, but I can tell you some of what i changed on here... I upgraded to BTT SKR 1.4 Turbo, TMC2209, with BTT 3.5TFT E3. I have sensorless homing enabled as well. Before I changed the board and lcd, I ran marlin on the stock board and lcd which allowed me to tweak and fine tune it, along with z align the 2 motors as well as increase to very high speeds... I wanted sensorless homing and silent drivers so i upgraded the board. Putting marlin on the board was night and day compared to the garbage firmware Tronxy ships them with though.
I thought the standard settings for a benchy was 0.4mm nozzle and 0.2mm layer ht? changing the layer height and nozzle size doesn't reflect a true time in that case...
no, 0.6 nozzle and 0.25 layer height follows the rules set by annex engineering. It is fine
Thanks for your feedback! I do agree the benchy in the video was with a .4 nozzle. The comments said .25 layer height with 10% infill. I don't have a .4 nozzle for my XL. I only have .6 so I compared slicer setting on this nozzle on both printers.
@@Unscientifically I know it's easy to mix settings up. I was just trying to keep .6 nozzle the same in all cases because that's all I have on the XL.
Why did you go with this printer? Size?
Maybe size and the multiple print heads. With these you could print supports easily in a different material than the rest I would assume.
@@leinadreign3510 Went with the one printhead version though
@@ivyr336 You can't get multiple print heads yet. That comes in a few months.
@@JasonHamiltonUSA But the XL does not have it right now. So if you buy it now then that shouldn't be a reason. You would wait for it to become available.
@@ivyr336 you get the xl now and the upgrade in a few months. Or you can hold off for no reason and get both at once.
Good morning,
I am also above the rendering that I find very average. well we are at the beginning of the life of the printer.
but agrees with what is said below about releasing the MK4 at the same time... Pursa not serious. @karl
I am also waiting to see the rest of the tests. because at 2670€ HT the 2 tools mounted. I risk canceling my reservation
thanks again for your work
Thanks for your comment!
id say a good print to show off would be a single layer covering the entire build plate.
Ok. Sounds good
Agreed that would be very interesting to see
thx for the video. so this XL is just a waste of money. :D
Lots of people here complaining about speed, price, etc. and comparing it to single toolhead printers with smaller build volumes, lol. Completely different machines with different use cases. By all means, though, feel free to post a faster, more cost-effective automated toolchanger design than the XL. Go ahead, I'll wait.
Ok so because its a Multi Tool machine (which the single print Head clearly is not) it justifys slow printing?
Everything I've printed on the XL is faster than the MK3. I'm happy. If others want to buy other brands, more Prusas for me.
@@tada3dprinting they working on making it much faster so I hope it does at the end :)
In my opinion, the XL is way overpriced... except for its tool-changing ability. That really is a game changer. But if someone doesn't value being able to print in multiple materials or with multiple nozzle types/diameters, then I'd agree that the XL isn't a good product for them, and they should go with the Mk4.
@@alexsalchemy if you don't need the 14" bed size, yes I agree that MK4 is a better choice.
I hope that the Prusa XL gets better because it seems downright disappointing. 40mins for a bad-looking benchy is worse than a stock ender 3 at 27x the price 💀. Personally, I think that while the delays may be somewhat down to sourcing, their main issue is that they have invested a ton into a developing a product which would have been good 4yrs ago.
Anyone judging based on this one persons use.. and not accounting for the multi head in a few months.. should not even bother. Give it some time.. its brand new. Bambu came out with lots of problems out of the gate. They resolved many.. some still stay. Once the multi head comes out.. even at slower individual print times, when you start to see what it can do, if its something you want to do in printing it will be the only printer able to do it. I am reserving judgement for when the input shaping is working, and the kinks are worked out and multi tool is out.
@@b3owu1f the only way it could succeed is as a "trouble-free" tool-changer alternative. Even then, you are paying a HUGE premium.
@@Ec1ipse.. I don't know.. E3D's tool changer is 4 heads, costs more, and looks very similar with slower speeds, etc. Haven't even seen anyone show a video on that one. I agree the tool changing has to work consistently without a hitch.. if it has issues.. that's going to be a problem for the success. The premium is steep.. but you are also getting something nobody else has that will print things no other printer can. On the flip side.. look at Ultimaker.. they have nice printers..but at $5K to $10K that are slower and less capable than many sub $2000 printers.. why do people still buy those?
I doubt most people are trying to print a stock sized benchy on their XL as their main print. I just wanted to have something to compare it to. I'm happy with the printer but to each their own. Thanks!
@@b3owu1f these are all good points! I am looking forward to seeing whatever improvements come down the line. But I am happy with it now too. Thanks!
It sounded like it was going to fall apart.
i think the xl is doing a great job and we will see a lot of filmware and hardware updates from prusha
Yes I agree things will only improve! Thanks!
So much hate in these comments. It will always be slow on the old Marlin firmware. Wait until input shaper is finished and then we can compare against other brands.
We are just at the beginning
It'll probably just be a little slower than a voron of the same size, depends on how heavy that toolhead is because the voron stealthburner is pretty heavy
yeah but you could say that about anything. Prusa seems to have been caught off guard by printing speed. Probably not the last thing they miss..
@@wfpnknw32 what? the weight of the gantry is basically the same as a voron, it's just how heavy the toolhead is
Sorry, this is FAR from a "speed benchy". A ~40min benchy from your first print is just typical, and a well-tuned, slightly upgraded ender 3 will fair the same (me and many others in the community have already done it) or even faster. My Voron Trident is far cheaper than this machine and gets far better performance.
Yeh not really a speed benchy but comparing this machine to your Voron is a bit weird. This machine is a different animal than the Voron Trident. Correct me if i am wrong but your voron trident doesn't have as large of a build volume or the option for 5 tool heads. Yes i know there are a few different multi material options for the voron but its not the same. Yeh if you need a single material per print get a voron over this but you are probably not even looking at this machine if that is all you need.
Also, not fair to compare this machine with the Bambu as again they are different animals. Yes a bambu does have the option for multiple materials in a single print but it still not the same as having multiple heads. If you try to print lets say PC in the same print as TPU bambu will tell you noway because you could easily clog the nozzle due to the high temperature difference. Couple this with the fact that this machine will not waste as much time or filament on purging and you really start to see where it shines.
Honestly, This machine is specialized and if you don't need that specialization you are probably wasting your time but if you have the correct application then you will understand that a Voron or Bambu just doesn't compare. Only and Idex machine or something like E3D Tool Changer motion system can be compared with this.
Well it will get faster once it get that "input shaping" firmware update. I don't have a Prusa XL or any prusa, nor do I plan on buying one. They are too expensive. I do have a Bambu X1C, which was probably already too expensive and more than I need. But I don't like waiting long for prints.
@@UbberMapper We have to looked with the eyes of your soul? That's very slow. I'm agree with you about multi material, but there are others options that print multil material and faster. Plus why prusa sell this printer with only 1 tool change? Instead they should sell minimum 2 toolheads. Maybe they should took the klipper avenue a not the Marlin one. But I heard from a fan boy that they went with Marlin because klipper is so much faster that does make sence... 🤥🤔
You see now fan boys are batching klipper and other brands because prusa can't make a 2023 printer. They love the past. That's why they keep making 2017 technology.
There's another fan boy that claims that prusa is the Mercedes Ben and Apple combine printer in the industry 😂😂😂
@@JoseAguiloworkshops Which other toolchanger options do you know which are considerably faster than a Prusa XL. I don't know a single one. That aside, the XL is not built for speed benchy competitions. The actual value of such is also really limited beyond a technical race for speed which can be fun just for the sake of it.
@@JoseAguiloworkshops Not sure what you mean by the eyes of my soul LOL. I wasn't trying to say that the machine is awesome or that nothing else compares. Personally, i do not own a prusa and never have so not a fan boy. All i was trying to say is that comparing it to a voron isn't a fair comparison. Its like comparing apples and Tomatoes. Both are fruit but they have different uses.
You are right about one thing for sure. This machine 100% should have shipped with 2 heads...There is no point in owning this machine with a single head. There are faster, larger and reliable options available for less money than this in the single head format.
@8:11 Why does prusa have their speed and accel settings set so low? that's even their draft setting. @8:27 looks like cooling issues, the bow is caved in. @8:45 those don't look good at all. inconsistent z layers. disappointing.
agree for an corexy system print as if it a bed slinger. Not to mention the cooling
@@8bits955 bedslingers can print faster and better quality than this.
@@TMS5100 oh yeah know that what i am saying is that it printing as if it was a stock bed slinger. I got my ender to print at 10k accel at 300mm/s so far and looks better than this
Until input shaping is in.. they aren't maxing out speeds. My guess.
@@b3owu1f true but at the same time this is as slow as bed slinger default speed, surely even without input shapingit can go fairly a bit faster than that
When you show the speed of a 3D printer, don't show the standard print speeds. Push it to its limit
Yes, I will start working on the speed. But I do know the quality will be affected some too. Planning to record more of this! Thanks!
I hate to say it but thats one ugly benchy. I could easily get a 20 minute benchy and looks miles better
wouldnt consider that a speed benchy.. my ratrig does 400/mms 25k accel with no problem. benchy under 12 min with better quality.
* buys expensive sports car, drives 10 under the speed limit.. *
Gotta start somewhere
sorry neither looks perfect.
True. I'm not looking for perfect. I'm just comparing some speed presets. It seems to be the thing everyone requests. It's always a trade off right? More details take longer. Speed loses quality.
40 min benchy is a normal ender 3 bed slinger "speed" benchy lol. I could prob knock out a benchy at .4 layer height in about 10 mins with my x1 carbon lol
I have an Anet with Klipper, an orbiter extruder and a 32 bit board that does them in 23 minutes with better quality than this.
Brand loyalty is only worth so much
A stock or at least stock-ish E3 with Marlin and no IS should be able to do about 23 minutes with high nozzle temp, CHT nozzle, and maybe some external help with cooling.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Eso es una mierda... Benchy pequeño e impresora muy lenta
Check out the one I just posted.
too slow
I'm so sorry but this is so much more than disappointing!
The device costs 2K in the basic version.
You then have to assemble it yourself and you can print PLA and PETG with it at a speed that any Chinese printer can handle faster.
People have forgotten that there are actually people like you, ordered the printer as a single print head machine and want to Print big and nice.
But the only advantage comes about when you use more than 2 print heads and the price increases again not insignificantly.
I think I'll wait for a firmware update and then I'll leave my place for the multi to someone else in the row if my concerns still exist.
the printer seems to be a complete design flaw and 2 years too late on the market.
in addition, the mk4 is then thrown onto the market at the same time. who developed it strategically? sad and embarrassing for anyone who calls himself a Prusa XL owner. It really would be embarrassing if I would use this machine for that money and would justify what comes with it.
Beside of that, you are so much a help for all the ppl out there wich payed and did not get THIS Infos from Prusa himself by now.
Shame on them. Appreciate your nice work!!!!
I understand wanting to wait past the first generation. But I am confused why you say you can't print with PLA? I do think Prusa should have released the single toolhead before the multi toolhead. And releasing the MK4 at the same time seems odd to me too. Thanks for your feedback!
@@tada3dprinting sorry it got translated wrong :)
I ment the XL is out of the box just for basic filament any printer should handle. The XL should at least came with the windshield they showed up sometimes.
At this range of price it needs way more then good quality for basic filaments like PLA and PETG.
@@xDDDx2005 got it! Yeah I wish it did come with the draft shield at least!
if you want to see a good and fast benchy buy a bambu p1p lol
oh look, here come the trolls. find a better hobby.
@@agreen9831 PrUsA Is ThE BEsT. LiVe WiTh It TrOlL
If you want a better and faster benchy go for a voron.
Trash printer, go for Bambu Lab X1C
What a stupid comment.
u could get a x1 carbon combo and 2 other x1 without ams or 5 p1p for about price of xl
but the multiple printheads will save a ton of money on purged filament over the years
I mean it's not trash, it's just too expensive in my opinion... With any of Bambu Lab printers you get better print quality and faster print times, compared to this benchy, but Prus XL is A LOT quieter than bambu lab printers. I'm using my P1P over a month now, it's really incredible printer so far.
@@djordjestojkovic9381 Prusa Fan boys/girls
WOW it is slow af. Who in their right mind will buy this POS?
People who get multiple tool heads and want to make multi colour/material prints without wasting heaps of filament?
@Broski Snowski yes and no, the bambu for example can waste more filament purging than it used in the model. That's far from ideal, especially in a business. Printing supports, printing flexible sections inside parts etc are definitely a major strong suit for the xl. The lack of enclosure and heating detracts from the multi material idea though. You wouldn't have a hope of a big ASA print not warping on that machine. Let alone nylon or polycarb.
Reliable printer that has a 14" bed? Easy choice.
I wouldn’t say I agree… For default settings and lack of input shaping as well as other firmware improvements I’d say it’s not bad. Once the firmware gets a few updates I suspect we will see some speed improvements - but with speed can come a compromise in parts performance, not sure you’re buying a £2-4,000 XL to print trinkets. Likely want to print high performance functioning parts… Other printers will print them faster but with a higher failure rate and compromised strength.
Wtf are you printing in a corner 😅😂, noob skill large here...
Easier to make video with a cheap camera. I also print on corners if I need to make a clear video using my phone as if I zoom in the video quality is not good. You can bring the camera very close to the print without zooming in.
It's the default settings on the XL. Thanks!
The Prusa XL has 16 individual heat pads. So on smaller prints, it prints in the corner while having to heat only 1 of the 16 pads.
The XL prints in a corner by default you dumbass.
Noob skill? Default setting for XL since it has individual heat tiles. Who got the noob skill now?
Prusa as of late has been a quite unimpressive company given that they had a 10 year head start on everyone else.
Prusa is the new Nokia