Piano Tuning Theory - Temperament [Part 6] I HOWARD PIANO INDUSTRIES
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Piano Tuning Theory - Temperament [Part 6] I HOWARD PIANO INDUSTRIES
Part 6 of our video series on piano tuning theory explains what a temperament is and why it's important.
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00:00 - Intro
00:53 - Temperament
02:31 - Temper the Octave
02:50 - Equal Temperament
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Many years ago I took the Niles Bryant piano tuning and repair course. That was before the days of internet. All I can say is, now all this can be learned for free and better on youtube to anybody that is willing to put out the effort, a lot of effort. I wasn't that great of a tuner, but it got me an apprentice position with several local tuners and eventually I worked for dealerships. I never got rich at it, but it was okay.
Best and most practical explanation of how E.T. sounds, without the confusion of theory. Great basic introduction to it. Well done.
Thank you so much for posting these vids. Excellent presentation and a great reference. We have some tuners who are dependent on the machine now, unfortunately. The human ear hears the temperament but the machine can’t create it. Some customers don’t mind machine tunings, but some can hear the problems. We would like all our tuners to be aural tuners!
very helpful video, thank you. I only wish the audio was a bit louder. Wish me luck with my tuning !
Got it. Thank you!
Hi Howard. Thank you for the videos. They are awesome. Can you direct me to a video that demonstrates accomplishing equal temperment by ear?
Yes, it looks like it's in decent shape. Well, thanks to your videos I know how to correct that key height now :) probably just needs a thicker balance rail punching.
'What a wonderful explanation¡¡
Well done video with solid information. I look forward to the next installment. Your verbal instruction is clear. It would have been helpful if you had shown the tempo of the beats with hand movements each time so the speed would be visually demonstrated simultaneously with the sound. It is not always clear to what one should listen given various microphone placements. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching Jim, I appreciate the feedback. I was able to show the speed of the beat on the slower beating intervals with hand movements, but it would be a little difficult to demonstrate with hand movements the faster beating intervals such as when they are beating 7 beats per second. In future videos we will go into more detail about how to hear and measure the beats.
What are these temperaments?
equal temperament,
Werkmeister
Kirnberger,
Well,
Victorian
Thomas Young 1?
quarter comma meantone
awesome. Cool to see an explanation and have the sonic examples of the pure 3rd, and wolf tones of the 4th and 5th. Only question, you never said how many cents off the m6 was, and if it was narrow or wide. thanks!
The m6 should beat noticeably faster than the corresponding M3 and if I remember right it will be narrow.
Can you show us how you set the temperment octave in F3 to F4 ? This video doesn't show that.
Hi! Great videos.
I have one question: Is it a problem using a microphone and only tuning after the hertz each tone is supposed to be in?
That would mostly work in the middle octave, but it doesn't take into account the stretch in the octaves that is needed for a piano.
Nice video, I'm looking forward to the rest of the series. By the way, your F4 key height is a little low :)
brnmcc01
Thanks, yes, I did notice that the F4 key was a little low. As you probably have figured out, I mostly just use this piano for videos. I don't really play this piano. It has been helpful to have a piano in my workshop to use for most of the videos.
Hi, if we could tune by the electronic device such as TuneLab, do we still need to tune/learn to tune the temperament? Or that's just for those who want to tune by ear?
You could technically tune the temperament just by Tunelab and it would usually turn out fairly decent, but there is an advantage to being able to understand the theory and have the ability to tune by ear.
@@howardpianoind Would Entropy piano tuner do the same job, or tunelab gives better results? great video btw..
I’ve never had the opportunity to try Entropy tuner so I couldn’t say if it is as good as TuneLab.
how many beats i shoud hear in the third major???
It should be about 7 beats per second for a major third.
@@howardpianoind yes, thanks, now i learned how to calculate harmonics and beats, you should do a video for it but please very short, one or two minute, no more, you talk too much for nothing...
How can I set the pin in tune after I tune it?
Setting the pin takes some practice. You want to make sure you're moving the pin in the block and not just moving the top part of the tuning pin. It works best if you can bring the pitch up a little high and then settle pitch by bringing it back down. We have a video that shows this in more detail: th-cam.com/video/jkAgx8rewsM/w-d-xo.html
Can you explain more on setting the pin in the block. Or do you have video on this. Thank you
joyfulsoundpianoThe only other thing we have that talks in more detail about setting the pin is the video in this link: th-cam.com/video/jkAgx8rewsM/w-d-xo.html You just want to make sure that you get to the point where you can feel the pin move in the pinblock rather than just twisting the pin head.
How many beats in fifth
Fifths should beat about a half a beat per second.
I have no idea what he is talking about, 3rd's,. 5th's, beats per second, minor 6ths, etc etc. ?????
This is part 6... he addressed beats, intervals, etc in the beginning videos, so you may simply be watching out of order.
The first 3 minutes of explanation don't really help much. I hope this gets better.
awful explanatory skills with zero charisma. unfort i couldnt take more than a minute of this
sorry, it got better as i decided to continue to watch
Why on earth would you be so rude, when the man just wants to share his precious knowledge with the world? It’s not a game show so the attention span of his viewership is not really his responsibility. I’m thankful for all those videos!