The government owns the foreshore and seabed on behalf of the public of New Zealand. Any other interpretation by the courts would be a travesty of justice. Say no to racism.
@@korowheke3182 In 1982 the UN enacted the Law of the Sea, a convention of international law relating to seabed ownership in a country's territorial waters. The government (Crown Estate) owns approximately 40% of the land in NZ. Private land ownership is known as freehold. Outside of territorial waters, no one owns the ocean, they are 'global commons.' Hope that helps.
@@korowheke3182 Because... Coastal lands, like all lands surrounding water bodies like lakes and rivers fall under the BRITISH law of the "Queens Chain". One Chain equals 20.117 metres. In the case of the ocean... This is From the highest tide mark. The seabed itself, under water, cannot be owned by anyone... and comes under the protectorate of the Government. Only the Government can extract the minerals from under the sea out to the economic distance of 200 kms. Maori fell under the British law system when the signing of the treaty came into force. They cannot circumvent the laws to suit their own agenda.
The chiefs were assured they would own their lands and treasures as per the treaty. To claim otherwise is theft. If the government claimed a wealthy landowners beachfront property in 2024 and said its now for everyone, is that right? This is basically what youre justifying.
Time to bring all of this bull tweet to an end. Time for a referendum and get this country going 1 direction. All this Maori craziness is causing massive racism against them. We the majority want our country back.
your current govt does not care 1 bit about you. just look at all the cuts to health services and jobs. their only focus is on $$$ and this foreshore and seabed debacle is the quickest way they can make money. and sell off land and resources. its not about maori or pakeha. its about land and resources.
You think a referendum will suddenly change everybody's mind? Will make it worse. Seymour needs to stop, he knows exactly what he's doing. Shame alot of his supporters don't.
abolishing the race based as you say, is abolishing maori/ te tiriti o waitangi right.... that means the land returns to Maori and then where do you go???
Abolishing race based policies is no different to abolishing gender based policies. Women have a much higher chance of getting breast cancer, so we provide screening for them which we don't for men. Different also have higher chances of needing differing support, and so they are targeted with that support. One size does not fit all, and the only people who believe that are the ones who already happen to fit.
Step no. 2. WT has run its course and way surpassed its use by date. It has been taken over by elite radical activist extremist separatist tribal Maori who have profited nicely from it. Pity the rest of the really good Maori didn't reap the benefits.
The concept of customary title implies that the holders of such have a deep connection to the area and by default will act honorably and honestly and with the best interests of the land at the centre of all decisions. In my own experience this has not been the case.
Ya have never stopped, Trouble is you have stooped to even your own children .....stop killing and bashing your own children and perhaps even stop your incestuous breeding.
The Maori chief Hone Heke was asking for a good government before the signing of the Treaty when he said: "Governor, you should stay with us and be like a father. If you go away then the French or the rum sellers will take us Maori over. How can we know what the future will bring? If you stay, we can be 'all as one' with you and the missionaries."
Bless. And so it is that Maori Ancestors' wishes shall be upheld & respected; their wishes for handing sovereignty to the British via the Treaty. Honor the Treaty and Honor the Maori ancestors who's vision for the future was a master stroke of wisdom.
What great vision those old Chiefs had... first they saw there was a better life for their young - one without the inevitable early death, constant warfare, slavery or even worse.. they then saw learning to speak the tongue of trade and commerce (English) would open doors for their young and they determined their young must do this so they demanded their young be taught only English in the schools to fast track their learning.. our Chiefs were in a hurry for every advantage for their young and wanted the best for them and they wanted it fast! They grasped education and the wonders of the new world in both hands. If the young learnt then they would bring home the new language and teach their old ones. The old ones would gather on the Marae and the young ones would stand proud and teach what they had learnt. Quickly the Chiefs saw the advantages of farming with iron tools and the seeds they got in trade grew well and developed quickly in the new virgin land so their peoples' diets improved greatly. Then our great Ancestors watched the rolling out of TeReo and nodded in agreement... TeReo was the language developed by the English scholar Samuel Lee with the help of Hongi Hika... This new language meant tribes who struggled to understand each other would have a language in common and they could then use it to communicate and trade with the new settlers. Some 20 years later at the Great Assembly of Chiefs more than 100 Chiefs from all over NZ would gather and report favourably on 20 years living under the treaty... they reported their people were starting to grow in numbers, their health was improving and their stomachs were full! The horrors of almost 30 years of utu were at last at an end. These wonderful old Chiefs had great vision... they were able to look down the ages and saw within 180 years their descendants would hold their own and take a role in developing and running our fine nation by working together along side the settlers - learning and working as one people...We achieved great things in those early years, our cities were growing and our farmlands producing, and young Maori attended University as early as 1878 in Auckland. Our peoples had much to learn from each other and our lives would be forever intertwined in our bloodlines... Maori and European together learning from each other and working together.. this was the wisdom of our Ancestors. It would have broken the old Chiefs hearts to see the division the radicals have caused recently - they would not approve! Our old Ancestors would say to us.... united we are strong and can achieve anything ... divide us and we are weak. I also think the decision by the Supreme Court would have got our Ancestors approval.
@@valeriehughes1008 Bingo! And they cannot see if for greed, the same greed that took the musket and very nearly decimated an entire race, their own race no less.
And that could be seen as one step forward and a slight pause in proceedings. However once the Maori lawyers and the WT get a hand on it they will demand a reversal of the decision, (under the ToW) and the Supreme Court will fail to explain exactly what is intended and the answer and understanding will remain purely as an opinion of anyone, right or wrong.
Whats wrong with race based policies? We have plenty of gender based polices, e.g. I don't get free breast screening because as a man I'm highly unlikely to develop breast cancer. Likewise, I'm far less likely to develop heart disease like Māori & Pasifika are. Race based policies aren't necessarily segregation, its actually a way of more effectively focusing resources. It means your tax dollars are being more efficiently spent than otherwise.
@@drednorztget real and if your on dak get off it. It's not healthy for brain function. Race based policy is racism and favours one race. Everyone should have equality and equal rights and opportunities. That's democracy.
The Waitangi Tribunal would do a better job than Luxon and his kindergarden cabinet. They've done the most damage to the country since Ruth Richardson sold all our assets.
Happy days. Squabbling over claims needs to end. We need to be united as a people and a country. It belongs to all of us ,regardless of skin color or heritage. The madness needs to stop so as to prosper as a nation together for every NZ citizen. Find me an example of any other country doing this today. Not Australia nor The United States whom have indigenous peoples in their history that are arguing over exclusive ownerships and or preferences over what fundamentally belongs to every citizens of said country.
@drednorzt no it's not, woke crap has been creeping through the institutions with cunning and stealth for years, because, not sane person would vote for this 🐂💩.
@@drednorzt this dangerous woke ideology has been creeping through the institutions with cunning and stealth for decades because no sane person would vote for this 🐂💩. Time for a referendum if this PM hasn't got the spine to follow through on the overwhelming mandate he got at the last election.
@drednorzt well, how do they get there, no one voted them in, just woksters being appointed by woksters. No vaguely sane person would vote for this dangerous garbage.
In 1987 the five justices, all lawyers themselves, ruled that their was NEVER a "partnership" With Maori and the Crown in the Treaty. They also ruled that the ALL Maori became British subjects under British law, and ceded their collective sovereigntyat the signing of the Treaty with the Crown. ALL these issues that have arisen in the past 50 years have been put forward by Maori through avarice and greed. If individual Maori, or collective Tribal Maori own land... They are protected under Crown law just as everyone is. The seabed, foreshores, airways etc, all come under the gaurdianship of the Crown as common areas for ALL citizens of the country. This is ALL under British Statutes... Which Maori cannot legally subvert... Despite their many attempts to do by falsifying facts they never ceded sovereignty and that they have a partnership agreement with, and as a seperate body from the Crown/Government of New Zealand.
@williamearnshaw410. I agree but not from all Maori just the greedy elite radical activist extremist separatist tribal Maori. The later give Maori and maoridom a bad name.
@MaryAda-wj3dy I agree. It is very hard to differentiate the word Maori into the different Maori tribal people when writing about them. I am well aware that the majority of the Maori tribes members were peaceful hard working people who enjoyed and benefitted enormously under the sovereignty of the English Crown and governorship in New Zealand. They integrated themselves with the hard working settlers... Mostly English farmers who bought with them valuable knowledge of land and how to gain the most from the land for all. These settlers like my Great Great Grand and Great Grandfather, we're from Yorkshire... Paying the family's way on ship to NZ in 1863. They arrived in Lyttleton, purchased land near Christchurch, and after breaking it in... Farmed it. They employed local Maori... Working together to make NZ into a great little Nation.... Together... Unified. The minority tribes of warlike people caused death and mayhem amongst the other tribes, the authority of the Crown constabluary, and the settlers. I liken these Maori to the Radical Maori we have today.
@MaryAda-wj3dy My son... Part Maori from his Mother's DNA... Is a very hard working self made man. He lives in Sydney, and done very well for himself. His elder Brother on the other hand sided with his Maori Ancestors... Got involved with many radical Maori Groups... had many junket trips and lots of tax payers money to spend...he is a lazy, taker of everything and gives nothing.....
It’s just greed. Any honest Māori knows, no one owns the land or sea. We are mere custodians of it. Not even the crown owns it. The earth is ancient, 20,000-18,000 years ago NZ was covered in ice. Before that landmass Zealandia - today an almost entirely submerged mass of continental crust with New Zealand and a few other islands peaking above sea level - broke away from the supercontinent Gondwana in the Cretaceous period. Before this time, Zealandia shared its past with Australia and Antarctica. Since this separation, the New Zealand landscape has evolved in physical isolation. Humans are a blink in its timeline
Customary Law is derived from English Law and was inherited by New Zealand Courts - everyone who honestly beleives in equality before the law should be supporting this decision as a just application of the Law. Why should coastal land be treated as different to any other land? Should all land in the country be declared to be in public ownership too?
People from Hong Kong went to Canada in 1999 then bought most of the land surrounding lakes etc, then built high rises which stopped access and views and put property prices up so high that the younger generation in Canada could never afford to buy their own land and homes.😭
Oh well , the decision has been made by the experts and (there will be moaning) but Iwi will have to abide by the courts ruling, unlike what David is doing. My Iwi have already agreed to a deal.... others will get there due and some won,t. Ngāti Porou were the only iwi that reached an agreement with the Crown under the now-repealed Foreshore and Seabed Act 2004. When that Act was reviewed and repealed, the Crown undertook to honour its existing commitments to Ngāti Porou. Following the passage of the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act in 2011, the original agreement was updated to reflect features of the new Act, including the new legal test for customary marine title. The agreement was given effect by Ngā Rohe Moana o Ngā Hapū o Ngāti Porou Act 2019. Customary marine title enables the holders to exercise certain rights through involvement in resource consent and Conservation Act processes, customary fisheries management, the ownership of non-Crown minerals and taonga tūturu in the title area, and protection of wāhi tapu, such as urupā (grave sites).
The coast line belongs to kiwis, not the invading party of moaris, based on their wiping out of the mori ori, then they have zero rights . A defeated enemy has no mana ...is that not how it works. Learn to share, nobody , no human has rights to the coastline or seabed.
The crown have no right based on the ethno cleansing of the Maori that they failed at. The crown has no ownership of resources you are managers of subjects only.
Way back they had no concept of land ownership until the british came here then they saw some coin to be made sold majority of land for 1000s of pounds for muskets and first world stuff
@@kumarapatch1234 No no no, making it out all about yourself. You havn't read the Treaty have you. Maybe you should keep quiet until you finish Cat in the Hat.
Thank you Sean and Don (restore Trust in the Court System) mudia nuws papers actually do not matter HOWEVER THE PLATFORM NZ TIM WHANGAREI INDEPENDENT NEWS + AUST & CANADA REBEL NEWS + GB TOUSI NEWS DEFINITELY DO MATTER ✓✓✓✓✓
Have to agree with you Betty. Add Don Brash, David Seymour, Julian Batchelor and all those fighting for equality and equal rights and opportunities for all NZers to your list. They are all the saviours of democracy and the opposers if colour and race based politics.
Oh, I get it, Iwi are a cost prohibitive impediment to the wholesale raping of our natural resources that benefit the offshore interests Mr Brash seems to be championing. How much are they paying for access, how must risk are they taking in the event of a calamity, and how many jobs will these projects provide for Kiwis?
@MaryAda-wj3dy Selling out our resources, when there's minimal benefit in royalties, I think the last deal was 2 %, we as a nation take all the risk if there's an ecological event, like an oil spill or mine collapse, and most of the higher paid jobs are given to non kiwi experts, that's what I'm prattling about
The fact that this govt would rather sell out to offshore interests rather than invest in long term infrastructure to process said resources says everything eh.
Supreme Court: this is where we got to... People: uhh, ok Supreme Court: and this is how we got there... People: WTF? So the supreme court now judges tikanga merits and claims? Where is the evidentiary test for custom?? [Suggest people read the judgment for themselves. It's far from comforting.]
You probably don't fish or know a rod from a reel but the NZ commercial boats are decimating our fishing grounds for everyone. People are struggling to catch legal fish out there to feed their families
The chiefs were assured they would own their lands and treasures as per the treaty. To claim otherwise is theft. If the government claimed a wealthy landowners beachfront property in 2024 and said its now for everyone, is that right? This is basically what youre justifying. Do you think whats happening in Ukraine is bad? that is what you are justifying.
@@jamietownsend7545 You couldn't either. Your comment should have said 'It's hard to believe anyone who can't construct a very simple sentence', or 'It is hard to believe anyone who can't construct a very simple sentence'.
The Supreme Court is upholding Contract Law. Whether people like it or not British and NZ Law has to view this under The Contract Law Category. It has nothing to do with what race, religion, status the parties to a contract are. The Supreme Court, The Waitangi Tribunal, The Legal Framework of NZ is obliged to apply Contract Law and Precedent in Law when reviewing any Legislation for NZ. Considering there are 9000 Treaties and Contracts registered and ratified previously at The UN and in NZ the precedent is well established.
Customary Rights ensures the coastal and marine areas can't be sold off for corporate exploitation, and protects access for ALL people, so why are there so many whiners? The crown government thought they could overthrow justice, but in the end justice prevails!
@@helenlizzystewart4908 The Marine and Coastal Act not only protects Aotearoa from corporate greed such as your governments fast track mining bs but also upholds contract law held within Te Tiriti (Undisturbed rights to fisheries).
Learn a foreign language in three days, Hobson knew nothing , most of you have been here your whole life, make a sentence in maori, didn't think so, racist creeps.
Don Brash is talking nonsense. In Contract Law which the Treaty Comes under you cannot remove or negate a pre existing Contract with Fletchers for Mineral Extraction because they amalgamated with Fischer and Paykel. Joint exclusivity is bot just common in Contractual / Treaty Law we have many precedents of such within New Zealand ,Commonwealth and British and UK Law.
Why do you celebrate rulings when they go your way.. yet... when it is Iwi favor you yell Foul and say the experts are wrong? I hope Maoridom takes this on the chin and shows....We have to accept the rulings
WE ALL HAVE ACCESS TO TO THE FORESHORE, MAORI ARE NOT STOPPED, SO WHY DO THEY NEED ANY CONTROL OR OWNERSHIP, WHAT HAPPENED TO HELEN CLARKS FORESHORE LAW.
Because you are not stopped when Maori are responsible for it. Ask yourself that question. Have you been denied access? no you want it so you can commodotise.
The owners with the largest piece of the foreshore are those with huge landholdings, which none of the public can access…….and it ain’t Māori landholdings, cause the majority has been stolen, forcibly taken, laws enacted to dispossess. I came here to check out the comments. Ha! True to form, the Keha racists whining again. Lies, and misinformation! Kuare tangata!
Foreshore and Seabed has always been a contentious issue between Maori and Pakeha. In British Law the area is common land; in Maori territorial boundary it belonged to iwi as a source of food, which iwi still use it for. The Treaty (Article 2) states iwi/whanau/individuals have "...the full exclusive and undisturbed possession of their Lands and Estates Forests Fisheries...". Maori will protect these areas, there were a lot of very messy incidents and battles to protect these areas before pakeha came and Maori will do everything to protect them as is their right.
@wax333 it's public land. Kiwis of all colors are pretty protective of their public lands. There would be a major outcry from all corners if a govt tried to chop it up and sell it off. It would loose a govt an election no doubt.
@@Hatunrumioc It isn't all public land, rich land owners own private beach accounting for around 30% of the coastline. For some reason, Laws is only focused on Maori retaining their rights nothing about rich pakeha that own privte beaches - I wonder why.
My tipuna signed He Whakaputanga (Declaration of Independence) 28.10.1835 and Te Tiriti 17.2.1840. Pōmare believed he had not given up any sovereignty and stated that he was not able to in any case, as it belonged to all of his iwi.
@@KarlTebbutt Yes. Just like Europeans today who are often bilingual and or multilingual it was normal. My tipuna on my mum's side, Hongi Hika travelled to England. Hongi was gifted trinkets from King George that he sold in Sydney on his way home. George's trinkets were sold for muskets and the rest is history.
And the claims by some maori for the foreshore and seabed has little to do with traditional fishing and kaimoana. It is all to do with the control and $$$$$$$$$$$$ profit from future seabed mineral mining.
Any sources to back that claim up? And do you know of a single Māori seabed mining development? They are literally all giant multinational corporations.
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Awesome Don 😊.. good to hear about this.. onwards and upwards 🇳🇿 the coastline and beaches are for everyone in this country..❤
Great result for New Zealand 🇳🇿
The fact that this is even a court case is a disgusting and hideous thought for all of us kiwis.
Huh????
Please don't put a s on kiwi as there is no s in the maori language,
The government owns the foreshore and seabed on behalf of the public of New Zealand. Any other interpretation by the courts would be a travesty of justice. Say no to racism.
Why is coastal land different to any other land? Should the government also be assumed to own all other land in the country?
@@korowheke3182 In 1982 the UN enacted the Law of the Sea, a convention of international law relating to seabed ownership in a country's territorial waters. The government (Crown Estate) owns approximately 40% of the land in NZ. Private land ownership is known as freehold. Outside of territorial waters, no one owns the ocean, they are 'global commons.' Hope that helps.
@@korowheke3182 Because... Coastal lands, like all lands surrounding water bodies like lakes and rivers fall under the BRITISH law of the "Queens Chain". One Chain equals 20.117 metres. In the case of the ocean... This is From the highest tide mark. The seabed itself, under water, cannot be owned by anyone... and comes under the protectorate of the Government. Only the Government can extract the minerals from under the sea out to the economic distance of 200 kms.
Maori fell under the British law system when the signing of the treaty came into force. They cannot circumvent the laws to suit their own agenda.
Racism? Do you have any idea what is going on with this or what it's about
The chiefs were assured they would own their lands and treasures as per the treaty. To claim otherwise is theft.
If the government claimed a wealthy landowners beachfront property in 2024 and said its now for everyone, is that right? This is basically what youre justifying.
Parliament must unwind this crock
Seriously, I think you need to go get a history lesson about your goverment and what they plan to do with the foreshore and seabed act
Open to everyone as it should be !!
@@wax333 exactly
Kuare! It was never Māori intention to exclude! That’s from the Keha playbook!Were you born a liar, or Aquire it over time?
@@deantairi8357what is exactly? A fact free statement without context was made. You've made no point.
One country ONE PEOPLES
Thankfully...if you have seen coast watch once you will know who is destroying our coastline.
Hey mate those 500 paua and 200 undersize snapper are for a Tangi and it's perfectly legal....
😂😂😂
@@grandadneal8114 🤡🤡🤡
FFS stop playing the victim, what's wrong with your Yt fragility
If you watch 'cops' tv show from the 90s, the only people that commit crime are black.. maybe have a look at the data, not the tv 😂
Time to bring all of this bull tweet to an end. Time for a referendum and get this country going 1 direction. All this Maori craziness is causing massive racism against them. We the majority want our country back.
your current govt does not care 1 bit about you. just look at all the cuts to health services and jobs. their only focus is on $$$ and this foreshore and seabed debacle is the quickest way they can make money. and sell off land and resources. its not about maori or pakeha. its about land and resources.
You think a referendum will suddenly change everybody's mind? Will make it worse. Seymour needs to stop, he knows exactly what he's doing. Shame alot of his supporters don't.
Pohokohua, go back to England where you belong
Your country? Supremacist much...
Majority of who?
Maybe the Supreme Court saw the political writing on the wall
Yup abolish race based policy. Enough already.
Yeah I reckon stop the gravy train
abolishing the race based as you say, is abolishing maori/ te tiriti o waitangi right.... that means the land returns to Maori and then where do you go???
@@ByronOG-h5m 😂😂🤣no.maori lose everything and end up on reservations.
@@ByronOG-h5mWhat Maori? How many drops of blood do you need ? Maori just translates as "normal" to talk about actual people you cite iwi.
Abolishing race based policies is no different to abolishing gender based policies. Women have a much higher chance of getting breast cancer, so we provide screening for them which we don't for men. Different also have higher chances of needing differing support, and so they are targeted with that support.
One size does not fit all, and the only people who believe that are the ones who already happen to fit.
It's crazy that we need the Supreme Court to make such a common sense ruling.
Holy shit. The Supreme Court actually made a reasonable judgement.
Abolish waitangi tribunal.
Go on then, do it
@@jamietownsend7545 its happening.dont worry,everyone will have equal rights then.
start a petition, its that simple end race based hate in nz
Step no. 2. WT has run its course and way surpassed its use by date. It has been taken over by elite radical activist extremist separatist tribal Maori who have profited nicely from it. Pity the rest of the really good Maori didn't reap the benefits.
@@jamietownsend7545would if I could
The concept of customary title implies that the holders of such have a deep connection to the area and by default will act honorably and honestly and with the best interests of the land at the centre of all decisions. In my own experience this has not been the case.
When will the Waitangi council allow Maori customary rights to eat humans again? They did that too.
And enslavement .
Ya have never stopped, Trouble is you have stooped to even your own children .....stop killing and bashing your own children and perhaps even stop your incestuous breeding.
I wouldn't blame them.
Sounds like a good idea lol
Will start with you you racist faark
The Maori chief Hone Heke was asking for a good government before the signing of the Treaty when he said: "Governor, you should stay with us and be like a father. If you go away then the French or the rum sellers will take us Maori over. How can we know what the future will bring? If you stay, we can be 'all as one' with you and the missionaries."
@kentstevens5839. He was so right.
What a load of BS, stop lying
Bless. And so it is that Maori Ancestors' wishes shall be upheld & respected; their wishes for handing sovereignty to the British via the Treaty. Honor the Treaty and Honor the Maori ancestors who's vision for the future was a master stroke of wisdom.
What great vision those old Chiefs had... first they saw there was a better life for their young - one without the inevitable early death, constant warfare, slavery or even worse.. they then saw learning to speak the tongue of trade and commerce (English) would open doors for their young and they determined their young must do this so they demanded their young be taught only English in the schools to fast track their learning.. our Chiefs were in a hurry for every advantage for their young and wanted the best for them and they wanted it fast! They grasped education and the wonders of the new world in both hands. If the young learnt then they would bring home the new language and teach their old ones. The old ones would gather on the Marae and the young ones would stand proud and teach what they had learnt. Quickly the Chiefs saw the advantages of farming with iron tools and the seeds they got in trade grew well and developed quickly in the new virgin land so their peoples' diets improved greatly. Then our great Ancestors watched the rolling out of TeReo and nodded in agreement... TeReo was the language developed by the English scholar Samuel Lee with the help of Hongi Hika... This new language meant tribes who struggled to understand each other would have a language in common and they could then use it to communicate and trade with the new settlers. Some 20 years later at the Great Assembly of Chiefs more than 100 Chiefs from all over NZ would gather and report favourably on 20 years living under the treaty... they reported their people were starting to grow in numbers, their health was improving and their stomachs were full! The horrors of almost 30 years of utu were at last at an end. These wonderful old Chiefs had great vision... they were able to look down the ages and saw within 180 years their descendants would hold their own and take a role in developing and running our fine nation by working together along side the settlers - learning and working as one people...We achieved great things in those early years, our cities were growing and our farmlands producing, and young Maori attended University as early as 1878 in Auckland. Our peoples had much to learn from each other and our lives would be forever intertwined in our bloodlines... Maori and European together learning from each other and working together.. this was the wisdom of our Ancestors.
It would have broken the old Chiefs hearts to see the division the radicals have caused recently - they would not approve! Our old Ancestors would say to us.... united we are strong and can achieve anything ... divide us and we are weak. I also think the decision by the Supreme Court would have got our Ancestors approval.
@@valeriehughes1008 Bingo! And they cannot see if for greed, the same greed that took the musket and very nearly decimated an entire race, their own race no less.
@@valeriehughes1008🙏❤️
Exhausting coping with division rooted in te teriti the treaty favouritism of ONE RACE
Thanks don brash for Hobsons. Choice
😂its all "show me the money"!
And that could be seen as one step forward and a slight pause in proceedings. However once the Maori lawyers and the WT get a hand on it they will demand a reversal of the decision, (under the ToW) and the Supreme Court will fail to explain exactly what is intended and the answer and understanding will remain purely as an opinion of anyone, right or wrong.
Sensible Court decision. The Laws of New Zealand cannot be RACE BASED..
Whats wrong with race based policies? We have plenty of gender based polices, e.g. I don't get free breast screening because as a man I'm highly unlikely to develop breast cancer. Likewise, I'm far less likely to develop heart disease like Māori & Pasifika are.
Race based policies aren't necessarily segregation, its actually a way of more effectively focusing resources. It means your tax dollars are being more efficiently spent than otherwise.
There is a distinction between Law and Policy, and you are also conflating Race with gender.
Try saying out loud 'Race based Laws'.
@@drednorztget real and if your on dak get off it. It's not healthy for brain function. Race based policy is racism and favours one race. Everyone should have equality and equal rights and opportunities. That's democracy.
Why not, please explain the problems you face as a result
It makes me wonder who is running Nz GOVERMENT or Watangi tribunal
The Waitangi Tribunal would do a better job than Luxon and his kindergarden cabinet. They've done the most damage to the country since Ruth Richardson sold all our assets.
A. '' Demons.'''
Happy days. Squabbling over claims needs to end. We need to be united as a people and a country. It belongs to all of us ,regardless of skin color or heritage. The madness needs to stop so as to prosper as a nation together for every NZ citizen. Find me an example of any other country doing this today. Not Australia nor The United States whom have indigenous peoples in their history that are arguing over exclusive ownerships and or preferences over what fundamentally belongs to every citizens of said country.
What a waste of taxpayer money and resources with High court, Court of Appeal and Sumpreme court
Your surname may be king but you don't make the rules bub
@@jamietownsend7545neither do you bub.
Well there was a argument back in 1840, one side won, the other side lost! End of story.
tuff guy
Did you go to school to eat your lunch or others
@@Lurgansahib No Arguement , They Begged for England to take New Zealand , the French were on their way !!!
@@woofwoof9647that's actually factual
Not so much an argument as an agreement, and both sides won.
We didn't vote for these woke judges, we voted for change not a continuation of this racist BS.
Lol. Calling the most conservative institution in NZ woke is really funny.
@drednorzt no it's not, woke crap has been creeping through the institutions with cunning and stealth for years, because, not sane person would vote for this 🐂💩.
Not you the uneducated pest again
@@drednorzt this dangerous woke ideology has been creeping through the institutions with cunning and stealth for decades because no sane person would vote for this 🐂💩. Time for a referendum if this PM hasn't got the spine to follow through on the overwhelming mandate he got at the last election.
@drednorzt well, how do they get there, no one voted them in, just woksters being appointed by woksters. No vaguely sane person would vote for this dangerous garbage.
In 1987 the five justices, all lawyers themselves, ruled that their was NEVER a "partnership" With Maori and the Crown in the Treaty. They also ruled that the ALL Maori became British subjects under British law, and ceded their collective sovereigntyat the signing of the Treaty with the Crown. ALL these issues that have arisen in the past 50 years have been put forward by Maori through avarice and greed. If individual Maori, or collective Tribal Maori own land... They are protected under Crown law just as everyone is. The seabed, foreshores, airways etc, all come under the gaurdianship of the Crown as common areas for ALL citizens of the country. This is ALL under British Statutes... Which Maori cannot legally subvert... Despite their many attempts to do by falsifying facts they never ceded sovereignty and that they have a partnership agreement with, and as a seperate body from the Crown/Government of New Zealand.
@williamearnshaw410. I agree but not from all Maori just the greedy elite radical activist extremist separatist tribal Maori. The later give Maori and maoridom a bad name.
@MaryAda-wj3dy I agree. It is very hard to differentiate the word Maori into the different Maori tribal people when writing about them. I am well aware that the majority of the Maori tribes members were peaceful hard working people who enjoyed and benefitted enormously under the sovereignty of the English Crown and governorship in New Zealand. They integrated themselves with the hard working settlers... Mostly English farmers who bought with them valuable knowledge of land and how to gain the most from the land for all. These settlers like my Great Great Grand and Great Grandfather, we're from Yorkshire... Paying the family's way on ship to NZ in 1863. They arrived in Lyttleton, purchased land near Christchurch, and after breaking it in... Farmed it. They employed local Maori... Working together to make NZ into a great little Nation.... Together... Unified.
The minority tribes of warlike people caused death and mayhem amongst the other tribes, the authority of the Crown constabluary, and the settlers. I liken these Maori to the Radical Maori we have today.
@MaryAda-wj3dy My son... Part Maori from his Mother's DNA... Is a very hard working self made man. He lives in Sydney, and done very well for himself. His elder Brother on the other hand sided with his Maori Ancestors... Got involved with many radical Maori Groups... had many junket trips and lots of tax payers money to spend...he is a lazy, taker of everything and gives nothing.....
It’s just greed. Any honest Māori knows, no one owns the land or sea. We are mere custodians of it. Not even the crown owns it. The earth is ancient, 20,000-18,000 years ago NZ was covered in ice. Before that landmass Zealandia - today an almost entirely submerged mass of continental crust with New Zealand and a few other islands peaking above sea level - broke away from the supercontinent Gondwana in the Cretaceous period. Before this time, Zealandia shared its past with Australia and Antarctica. Since this separation, the New Zealand landscape has evolved in physical isolation. Humans are a blink in its timeline
100% correct ✅
Supernatural run the show.
Yes I agree we are all guardians of the true indigenous ...the wildlife . ❤
Good comment.
Correct. 'The earth does not belong to man, man belongs to the earth'
Did you hear that.. it's the sound of front doors closing as our educated middle class sell up and move to Australia... PERMANENTLY!!!.💔🇳🇿
Good riddance
bye
@@deantairi8357you flops would have anybody to steal shit from though wouldn’t say bye we have the shiner stuff
That isn't because of Māori, its because of our shit government who don't know what they're doing.
@@jamiebloxham777 safe travels jamie.
Customary Law is derived from English Law and was inherited by New Zealand Courts - everyone who honestly beleives in equality before the law should be supporting this decision as a just application of the Law.
Why should coastal land be treated as different to any other land? Should all land in the country be declared to be in public ownership too?
It's a joke a people who got here slightly earlier have more rights
Wow you have misunderstood the assignment. That is not why. Can you list a few extra rights they have and why please?
No ...pass that amendment....make it concrete law......so they understand.
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Willie Jackson is a total biffer
How much legal fees has this generated? Lawyers have no incentives at finding truth.
The courts do not make laws so what’s up.
Correct, the courts make a ruling, then they pass that on to parliament who implement it into law
If it stops commercial development, I'm for it.
People from Hong Kong went to Canada in 1999 then bought most of the land surrounding lakes etc, then built high rises which stopped access and views and put property prices up so high that the younger generation in Canada could never afford to buy their own land and homes.😭
Spoken like a true greeney. NZ needs well planned commercial investment.
@@MaryAda-wj3dy A greeny with a v8 car and a british motor cycle. Yeah.
The problem is, it doesn't. Look at what has happened to the hurunui river due to the farms adjacent. All while under tribal ownership
So how can we remove the judges on the appeals court that made this obviously false ruling?
More about who was on that Court of Appeal. Some seriously bad judgements have been made.
😂😂😂the bro's were always sneaky lil tyrants
🎉Supreme courts rock🎉
What is old man Brash going to do about this...take out an Ad in the Herald😂
Oh well , the decision has been made by the experts and (there will be moaning) but Iwi will have to abide by the courts ruling, unlike what David is doing. My Iwi have already agreed to a deal.... others will get there due and some won,t.
Ngāti Porou were the only iwi that reached an agreement with the Crown under the now-repealed Foreshore and Seabed Act 2004. When that Act was reviewed and repealed, the Crown undertook to honour its existing commitments to Ngāti Porou. Following the passage of the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act in 2011, the original agreement was updated to reflect features of the new Act, including the new legal test for customary marine title. The agreement was given effect by Ngā Rohe Moana o Ngā Hapū o Ngāti Porou Act 2019.
Customary marine title enables the holders to exercise certain rights through involvement in resource consent and Conservation Act processes, customary fisheries management, the ownership of non-Crown minerals and taonga tūturu in the title area, and protection of wāhi tapu, such as urupā (grave sites).
It might be safer for the government to codify the SCs decision.
The coast line belongs to kiwis, not the invading party of moaris, based on their wiping out of the mori ori, then they have zero rights .
A defeated enemy has no mana ...is that not how it works.
Learn to share, nobody , no human has rights to the coastline or seabed.
The crown have no right based on the ethno cleansing of the Maori that they failed at. The crown has no ownership of resources you are managers of subjects only.
Way back they had no concept of land ownership until the british came here then they saw some coin to be made sold majority of land for 1000s of pounds for muskets and first world stuff
@@kumarapatch1234 No no no, making it out all about yourself. You havn't read the Treaty have you. Maybe you should keep quiet until you finish Cat in the Hat.
@@matakitaki1 is that the english version of treaty?
@@KarlTebbutt If you read it you would know!
Thank you Sean and Don (restore Trust in the Court System) mudia nuws papers actually do not matter HOWEVER THE PLATFORM NZ TIM WHANGAREI INDEPENDENT NEWS + AUST & CANADA REBEL NEWS + GB TOUSI NEWS DEFINITELY DO MATTER ✓✓✓✓✓
You guys are in a seriously airtight bubble, and are completely disconnected from the beliefs of the majority of people.
@drednorzt Simply written reality you seriously but tragically sadly are the Bubble (pop) air dispersed✓
Have to agree with you Betty. Add Don Brash, David Seymour, Julian Batchelor and all those fighting for equality and equal rights and opportunities for all NZers to your list. They are all the saviours of democracy and the opposers if colour and race based politics.
@@bettylafu7246 🤷
'Customary Title refers to 'customary (traditional) usage',
And exclusivity .
Stewat
Katakata, can’t help yourself can you! The rush to assert!
@@wikitoriasmith1713 Us Alphas are like that .
Permanent ownership
Oh, I get it, Iwi are a cost prohibitive impediment to the wholesale raping of our natural resources that benefit the offshore interests Mr Brash seems to be championing. How much are they paying for access, how must risk are they taking in the event of a calamity, and how many jobs will these projects provide for Kiwis?
What the hell are you prattling on about
@MaryAda-wj3dy Selling out our resources, when there's minimal benefit in royalties, I think the last deal was 2 %, we as a nation take all the risk if there's an ecological event, like an oil spill or mine collapse, and most of the higher paid jobs are given to non kiwi experts, that's what I'm prattling about
The fact that this govt would rather sell out to offshore interests rather than invest in long term infrastructure to process said resources says everything eh.
Supreme Court: this is where we got to...
People: uhh, ok
Supreme Court: and this is how we got there...
People: WTF? So the supreme court now judges tikanga merits and claims? Where is the evidentiary test for custom??
[Suggest people read the judgment for themselves. It's far from comforting.]
The court values English & European tikanga, so why wouldn't it also value Māori tikanga?
@@drednorzt it does
@@brucecorban it sure does :), i was trying to point out the OP's hypocrisy
It might have allowed them to enter customary fishing agreements with other nations indigenous peoples customary rights, like all of Asia!
You probably don't fish or know a rod from a reel but the NZ commercial boats are decimating our fishing grounds for everyone. People are struggling to catch legal fish out there to feed their families
Maori dont like hobsons pledge and want non maori to have hobsons choice.😅😅
The chiefs were assured they would own their lands and treasures as per the treaty. To claim otherwise is theft.
If the government claimed a wealthy landowners beachfront property in 2024 and said its now for everyone, is that right? This is basically what youre justifying. Do you think whats happening in Ukraine is bad? that is what you are justifying.
'shared exculsivity' is that like you have excusive VIP seats at a concert in the middle of the mosh pit?
lmao
Yea like you Ceded Sovernigty to England Simple as that !!
Hard to believe anyone who can't construct a very simple sentence.
@@jamietownsend7545 You couldn't either. Your comment should have said 'It's hard to believe anyone who can't construct a very simple sentence', or 'It is hard to believe anyone who can't construct a very simple sentence'.
@@halloweenjack4482 What a complete word salad you just typed, made me cross eyed so I gave up
The Supreme Court is upholding Contract Law. Whether people like it or not British and NZ Law has to view this under The Contract Law Category. It has nothing to do with what race, religion, status the parties to a contract are. The Supreme Court, The Waitangi Tribunal, The Legal Framework of NZ is obliged to apply Contract Law and Precedent in Law when reviewing any Legislation for NZ.
Considering there are 9000 Treaties and Contracts registered and ratified previously at The UN and in NZ the precedent is well established.
Customary Rights ensures the coastal and marine areas can't be sold off for corporate exploitation, and protects access for ALL people, so why are there so many whiners? The crown government thought they could overthrow justice, but in the end justice prevails!
you can protect the coastal and marine areas without so called customary rights
@@helenlizzystewart4908 The Marine and Coastal Act not only protects Aotearoa from corporate greed such as your governments fast track mining bs but also upholds contract law held within Te Tiriti (Undisturbed rights to fisheries).
@@helenlizzystewart4908 Without customary rights to enable protection, the wealthy white developers will be laughing in your face.
@@MaoriWithAttitudeand access to seabed minerals. Lots of money i that. Any how many of you actually go fishing.
@MaoriWithAttitude ... Money and greed, money and greed. You're an embarrassment to honourable maori...
Learn a foreign language in three days, Hobson knew nothing , most of you have been here your whole life, make a sentence in maori, didn't think so, racist creeps.
Don Brash is talking nonsense. In Contract Law which the Treaty Comes under you cannot remove or negate a pre existing Contract with Fletchers for Mineral Extraction because they amalgamated with Fischer and Paykel. Joint exclusivity is bot just common in Contractual / Treaty Law we have many precedents of such within New Zealand ,Commonwealth and British and UK Law.
Maoris will sell it . Go visit tearai
Elite Maori will sell it. Most Maori wouldn't get a look in.
Why do you celebrate rulings when they go your way.. yet... when it is Iwi favor you yell Foul and say the experts are wrong?
I hope Maoridom takes this on the chin and shows....We have to accept the rulings
WE ALL HAVE ACCESS TO TO THE FORESHORE, MAORI ARE NOT STOPPED, SO WHY DO THEY NEED ANY CONTROL OR OWNERSHIP, WHAT HAPPENED TO HELEN CLARKS FORESHORE LAW.
..So iwi can charge the port companies rental..
@@geofflewis8599And can charge everyone for go fishing?
if we dont claim customary title to it the govt will sell it off and youll never be able to use it again. i dont understand why people are so blind
Because you are not stopped when Maori are responsible for it. Ask yourself that question. Have you been denied access? no you want it so you can commodotise.
@@geofflewis8599 MPI charges the govt for lookibng after the waters whats the difference
The owners with the largest piece of the foreshore are those with huge landholdings, which none of the public can access…….and it ain’t Māori landholdings, cause the majority has been stolen, forcibly taken, laws enacted to dispossess. I came here to check out the comments. Ha! True to form, the Keha racists whining again. Lies, and misinformation! Kuare tangata!
Foreshore and Seabed has always been a contentious issue between Maori and Pakeha. In British Law the area is common land; in Maori territorial boundary it belonged to iwi as a source of food, which iwi still use it for. The Treaty (Article 2) states iwi/whanau/individuals have "...the full exclusive and undisturbed possession of their Lands and Estates Forests Fisheries...". Maori will protect these areas, there were a lot of very messy incidents and battles to protect these areas before pakeha came and Maori will do everything to protect them as is their right.
It's owned by the public .
@stewatparkpark2933 govt think they own it and are going to sell it to overseas investors and you will not be able to use it again
@@stewatparkpark2933 There are exceptions; some rich people own the beach called Riparian Rights
@wax333 it's public land. Kiwis of all colors are pretty protective of their public lands. There would be a major outcry from all corners if a govt tried to chop it up and sell it off. It would loose a govt an election no doubt.
@@Hatunrumioc It isn't all public land, rich land owners own private beach accounting for around 30% of the coastline. For some reason, Laws is only focused on Maori retaining their rights nothing about rich pakeha that own privte beaches - I wonder why.
Good old Platform still got a lot of w..kers to choose from good on yah Sean keep that wendge driving to devide us all .
Bollocks
@@richsmith3300 😂
Western propaganda
The West is the best!
My tipuna signed He Whakaputanga (Declaration of Independence) 28.10.1835 and Te Tiriti 17.2.1840. Pōmare believed he had not given up any sovereignty and stated that he was not able to in any case, as it belonged to all of his iwi.
@@djpomare could he read?
@@KarlTebbutt Yes. Just like Europeans today who are often bilingual and or multilingual it was normal. My tipuna on my mum's side, Hongi Hika travelled to England. Hongi was gifted trinkets from King George that he sold in Sydney on his way home. George's trinkets were sold for muskets and the rest is history.
@@djpomare there you go.sold the trinkets,sold the land now want it back?shows a lack of mana.
Karl! I can tell you haven’t studied any relevant history! How to put yourself as a convenient liar!
@@KarlTebbutt British trinkets for muskets isn't selling land. What are you talking about?
And the claims by some maori for the foreshore and seabed has little to do with traditional fishing and kaimoana. It is all to do with the control and $$$$$$$$$$$$ profit from future seabed mineral mining.
Any sources to back that claim up? And do you know of a single Māori seabed mining development? They are literally all giant multinational corporations.
Right on the nail chrisball