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- Kill Bill: Vol. 2 - Bill (David Carradine) explains to The Bride (Uma Thurman) his theory about alter egos.
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Quentin Tarantino's sprawling homage to action films of both the East and the West reaches its conclusion in this continuation of 2003's ultra-violent Kill Bill Vol. 1. Having dispatched several of her arch-enemies in the first film, The Bride (Uma Thurman) continues in Kill Bill Vol. 2 on her deadly pursuit of her former partners in the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad, who, in a furious assault, attempted to murder her and her unborn child on her wedding day. As The Bride faces off against allies-turned-nemeses Budd (Michael Madsen) and Elle Driver (Daryl Hannah), she flashes back to the day of her deadly wedding, and we learn of how she was recruited to join the DiVAS, her training under unforgiving martial arts master Pai Mei (Liu Chia-hui), and her relationship with Squad leader Bill (David Carradine), which changed from love to violent hatred. Originally planned as a single film, Kill Bill grew into an epic-scale two-part project totaling more than four hours in length; as with the first film, Kill Bill Vol. 2 includes appearances by genre-film icons Sonny Chiba, Michael Parks, Larry Bishop, and Sid Haig; Wu-Tang Clan producer and turntablist RZA and filmmaker and composer Robert Rodriguez both contributed to the musical score.
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Cast: Uma Thurman, David Carradine
Director: Quentin Tarantino
Producers: Lawrence Bender, Koko Maeda, Dede Nickerson, Kwame Parker, Erica Steinberg, E. Bennett Walsh, Bob Weinstein, Harvey Weinstein
Screenwriters: Quentin Tarantino, Uma Thurman
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David Carradine was just a brilliant actor... He was beyond awesome in this movie..
Yes. Sad that he was murdered. Talent is rare. That is why Nazi scientists were coveted whilst Nazi politicians, and soldiers, executed at the close of WW2. Because war keeps raging, while scientists and artists are always in demand. The lesson being, if you are useful, they are less likely to cause your heart to explode. And the person who killed Carradine is somebody who hates the Arts. .. So, I deduce that his drink was not poisoned by a woman.
I don`t think he was murdered,though.
Wasn't he in some freaky Taiwanese hotel? What a way to go.
So is Uma Thurman
R.I.P David Carradine you one hell of an actor
"Superman is what I can do. Clark is who I am."
--Clark Kent.
Seriously, this scene is terribly outdated after years comic book movies making everything highlighted in the mainstream. It's just wrong. If anything, the concept applies MORE to Spiderman than Superman. Superman grew up as Clark Kent learning to hide his powers. Peter Parker just randomly became a spider-man one day without any choice or learning of how to balance 2 lives.
This is especially true with Batman. The socially-normal Bruce Wayne billionaire is made up because he's not really a socially normal person. Even without the mask & cape, he'd STILL have a pretty dark personality. He could survive in society, but they'd all know him as an eccentric billionaire, very dark and maybe even suspicious.
50 years of Superman comic books supported this speech. That quote is from 90s TV show Adventures of Lois and Clark. Is that more canon than the source material? Pretty sure someone of David Carradine’s age would be more accurate when referencing old comic books vs. a stupid tv writer for a wildly inconsistent show.
@@anonnyanonymous4800 No.
Lest we forget that Bill is the villain.
Whether Tarantino's intention or not, it's perfectly plausible that someone like Bill just wouldn't get Superman.
@@anonnyanonymous4800 I see you stopped reading Superman in the Silver Age.
This is exactly how a psychopathic killer would read Clark Kent/Super Man...
Seems spot on
True but he's actually not wrong,either.
@@JR-ju3kj It's a very good deconstruction yes, I just imagine it could come out of the mind of Lex Luthor just as assurently as Bill's..
@@JR-ju3kj no he is completely wrong
@@JR-ju3kj He is wrong, Superman certainly doesn’t view humans as a weak, cowardly, indecisive race
This says much more about Bill than it does Superman. Bill is the one with the critique of the whole human race. Bill is the one playing pretend as a kind dad to BB.
I don’t think he would treat BB poorly, but eventually she would grow to be an assassin, which is exactly why Beatrix tried to leave Bill and the Deadly Viper Squad.
He is not playing pretend dad.
I also do not like adults who are perpetually weak, meek, and shy. I wouldn't want to be in their company for long. It would be too depressing.
@@Kalenz1234
Probably, but he would treat B.B like Beatrix.
God, what I'd give to have seen more of this character. He had some of the best lines, and the way he said them was so freaking awesome, because he had the voice for it. Too bad we never will get another chance to see him in another movie. RIP, David Carradine.
To me , he will always be Cain
Actually, he was in a load of movies, mostly bad ones (just check his filmography). A pity we couldn't watch him in more good movies.
@@johnscroogle6484 Personally, I remember him being in Medium, where he got chucked off a building.
I know they were originally looking at Warren Beatty for Bill, but I can’t imagine him talking about comic books the same way.
Tarantino make any actor shine with his awesome script.
Now Poison Ivy knows Batman secret identity.
I've never seen it in that ways😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
Oh my god, I never figured out that she was Poison Ivy in that god awful movie.
I'd like to see Batman go at Bill.
this comment tock me a minut but 🤣
I fundamentally disagree with Bill’s perspective on this but that’s really the beauty of the scene. It so thoroughly explains Bill’s perspective on his role in the movies. Beatrix’s perspective represents what I think Superman’s actual intentions are: the desire to embrace humanity. Not critique it but be a part of it. It’s a simple desire to be normal because there’s an inherent comfort in that. Bill, however, is a cynic he doesn’t believe there’s a value to being flawed or that someone can choose to be who they want to be. He views Superman’s actions as an insult because he can’t comprehend that someone with so much power would choose to humble himself like that because he himself never would. He is as much the Superman in this metaphor as Beatrix. Perhaps that’s what drives his obsession for her more than anything else.
He is the villain so you are supposed to disagree with him
Which basically makes Bill Lex Luthor.
@@JarvisBaileyVA The perfect response.
Superman wasn't born superman he was born Kal El he was raised as Clark and grew up to be superman
Based upon your analysis, bill would've been better off emulating Lex Luther because that's his perspective on humanity. That's the main reason why I, once, he rejected concrete evidence that Clark and Superman one of the same. He couldn't fathom, in his hubris that someone with that much power he choose to be an ordinary human. That he would be fooled by a pair of glasses and a business suit. In his words, "such power needs to be exploited consistently." Immediately as I heard this critique on the character, I wanted to knock bill out. He has no concept of Superman really is as a person and example of how warped his morality and ethics are.
Bill is absolutely... charming. That is the least I can say.
Psychopaths tend to be
They call him Snake Charmer
Indeed he is. I absolutely adore his character.
I would expect that only from a woman...lol
When I was in highschool I swore that Vol. 1 was better but as I get older I start to appreciate Vol. 2 a little more. It's the little things. I just think the second one has better dialogue with just the right amount of action where as now I feel the first one was nothing but balls to the wall fighting but hey, that's just my opinion.
Nah, you were right the first time.
lol, okay, I change my mind then, haha
Why people separate those movies? It is one story that cuted in two pieces. Tarantino just did not show all details of the story in first movie to make people come to watch rest of it.
I didn't even like Kill Bill until I saw the second one. To each their own lol
Its should nto been viewed as two movies but as one movie.a you dont go over movie thinking first half of the movies was better.
One of the finest pieces of dialogues i've ever seen.
Philippa Buckley it's beautiful.
It's a monologue.
Heard*
This is completely wrong.
Disney does not approve.
Quentin Tarantino can make an elderly man talking about comic book characters look cool.
There will never be a better writter.
Exactly, people commenting on the actor or his character and nobody talks about the writer who put that monologue
To be honest, that's actually not a hard thing to make cool.
This is how Zack Snyder understands Superman lmao
Spot on LOL
I dont think so, for that reasen Superman Christopher Reeve is the best so far, you see two diferents person when you see his play but and for give me I dont see it in Henry Cavil
@@karankumar4384how is it spot on if nothing in any snyder movie backs it up? its like u ppl just hop three bandwagons for clout &don't even care if they make any sense.. his Clark isn't clumsy awkward lacking in confidence OR a coward..
all his doubts stem from the polarizing views the public have on superman &wether he can live up to the larger than image the symbol represents
If anything it's Reeves superman who fits that farcical take to a tee.. with his Clark being overly nebbish clumsy &awkward in an almost pantomime type of way, whilst his superman is the "real" him
@@o-wolfyea that makes no sense for the snyder version, snyder's clark kent is just superman in normal clothes lol
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"Clark Kent is Superman's critique on the whole human race."
Ouch.
We already heard him.
Also, simply not true. That's just the only explanation a psychopath like Bill can come up with for Superman's behavior. The true answer is way simpler: Kent is the antithesis of Superman, and is a way more effective cover. "How could mild-mannered Clark Kent be superman!?" Bill just can't understand why Superman wouldn't want to be Superman all the time. He doesn't understand the value of being able to live a normal life with normal relationships, so he invents this whole overcomplicated critique bit.
Its like how Lex Luthor refused to believe Clark Kent is Superman even after a computer told him that, he refuses to believe a living God would want to live a normal life and not either be disguised as a larger than life figure or as just Superman all the time
There are too many interpretations to say only this one is right, yes Clark Kent is a perfect disguise but he does find humanity weak and even states “its like living in a world made of cardboard, so fragile I have to be careful, I’m always holding back, I can never let myself go”
"Clark Kent is Superman's critique on the whole human race."
This entire dialogue was brilliant and is too underrated.
its underrated because its somewhat not true. superman was clark Kent first
These two dweebs think they are so smart. Pre-Crisis Superman was very much what Bill was referring to. The original, true Superman. Superman became less arrogant throughout the years to contend with the lighthearted nature of Marvel comics, and he did a good job of being one staple hero that was infinitely more iconic than most Marvel Heroes. However, the Superman was know today is a betrayal of what he was before. Psychologically, Superman was designed exactly as Bill described him. He was never malicious, but he did used to be very arrogant.
@@waltermalone216 Not to mention the fact that interpretations are just that: interpretations. Some can certainly be more valid than others, and Bill does back up his interpretation with some very interesting reasoning, but in the end there's no absolutely "correct" way to interpret fiction.
Beowulf DW yeah, I think Bill somewhat just sees Superman this way because he’s a cynical villain.
Its just a bunch of horseshit
"Clark Kent is Superman's critique on humanity"
Superman: The Animated Series, season 2 episode 22: "But I am Clark. I need to be Clark. I'd go crazy if I had to be Superman all the time"
Or, another line about Superman, said by Batman: "He was more human than I am."
Injustice vs Masters of the Universe, Prince Adam "He-Man":
"I know. I know about the monster you are now, and the man you used to be. I know you were once a seeker of truth. A "Reporter". Ever since Lois died, though, you've stopped looking for the truth. You accepted lies. You lied to yourself. You told yourself that this was the only way and that you were doing what was best for everyone, while heroes and innocents died. And worst of all, you decided you didn't need the reporter anymore. That you could be Superman without Clark Kent. But you needed Clark as much as He-Man needs Prince Adam. Because without him you've forgotten your humanity."
Who on earth cares about a superman animated series
I think the irony of this scene is what makes it so good. Anyone who knows superman knows that this is a fundamentally incorrect understanding of the character and it really says a lot about Bill. Also I think it's funny that this is honestly a better assessment regarding Batman then it is Superman
Exactly. Bruce Wayne is the mask; Batman was Batman since the day his parents died in front of him. There was a very good comic series in the early 2000s in which Bruce Wayne was framed for murder and Batman decided to abandon his private identity and dedicate his life 100% to the vigilante side of it.
The hell with the psychological analysis. This is one hell of a film, with great performances by all, fantastic music, amazing dialog, and an epic story. This will be viewed as Tarantino's magnum opus and Carradine's finest performance.
when you think about it, his monologue about Clark/Superman is really about how Bill sees Beatrix. he sees Beatrix as nothing more than an assassin the same way he thinks Superman cannot see himself as a human (Clark)
Bill's got this backwards, due to his resentment of Beatrix leaving him. "Superman" doesn't exist, Clark Kent was raised as a normal boy from Smallville and he still views Smallville and humanity with a protective lens.
exactly
Thats not the point of the whole thing tho.
Well, Bill is a sociopath. "Clark Kent" is a disguise, a layer around "Superman". In a sense both of you, you and Bill, are right. But out of Bills perspective (like if Bill was Superman), humanity does not matter. Bill does not care for people, so Supermans caring for others is alien to him.
This scene has two layers, one is the superficial one for people who just remember superman when they were kids, and it’s still good dialogue, but if you’re a nerd, you know superman is Clark Kent underneath all of it, he’s a paragon, the Clarke Kent the world sees isn’t the true Clarke either, he’s a persona made up so people won’t fear him. Now, on the other hand, Underneath it all, Bruce Wayne is Batman, who has honed his body into a weapon. Bill should view himself like this, but his superman analogy shows how he views himself and Kiddo, as something greater than normal people, not simply the best humanity has to offer
@@johnlavery3433 Exactly. Well spoken, friends!
Sad we won’t ever see Bill backstory, even though what he did in the end was wrong, he still had a long badass career and life
Wesker JHG you have to pay attention in the movie and you’ll see his life especially in those scenes with Budd and his adoptive father. And in a way, his protégés are a reflection of him.
Is he actually the guy who killed Oren's father?
@@josephleonard6695 no that was someone from the Japanese mob.
@@josephleonard6695 That guy’s name was Pretty Ricky, and he was supposed to have a scene where O-Ren gets her revenge on him, but it was cut out.
It is curious that his ring looks similar to Bill’s. Maybe they both learned under Hittori Hanzo.
@@reikun86 ohhh makes sense now. thanks!
I like the way he tells stories... He makes them so dam interesting
but he is so wrong
@@ProjektTaku That depends on how you see it, from his view or yours.
@@Yellow-ze6ix okay.
one of the best scenes in history.
Except it’s completely wrong
2:06
I see what you did there, Tarantino.
What did he do?
fate
Sam Kresil The line where he says "Natural Born Killer". Quentin Tarantino produced a movie called Natural Born Killers and he even wrote the screenplay, I believe.
He snuck it in
Bill: Well,it`s TRUE,though. You can`t deny ANYTHING about Beatrix. Forget the Deadly Viper Assasination Squad,The Bride is the true definition of murder. Being unable to die dos`nt make you a superhero. She`s no different. I`m afraid Tarantino made his point.
Such an awesome movie moment!
I can't imagine Warren Beaty playing the role of Bill. Carradine has so much charisma, that's why his nickname is snake charmer in this movie. Bravo!
Y'all way too caught up on the Superman analogy. Bill's interpretation of the character lends itself to the point he's trying to make -- that Beatrix is pretending to be something she's not. Whether you agree with that interpretation or not is irrelevant, and you don't have to agree with it to a) see his point or b) appreciate how it speaks to his character that he would view Superman this way. I certainly do.
Bill is still full of shit, though. Snake Charmer that he is, he's only trying to talk his way out of the inevitable: Beatrix is going to kill him and nothing he can say will change that.
True except Bill is not scared if Beatrix and he doesn't see her killing him as inevitable. He's a trained assassin and he thinks he was justified to do what he did. It's just Beatrix outdueled him
@Jesse Alvarez Aight.
In my opinion, the idea of Superman/Clark Kent is almost the complete opposite. Yes, he's BORN on Krypton as Kal-El, but he's RAISED as Clark Kent in Kansas. He grew up in a small Midwestern town raised with the morals and values of Midwestern farmers. This is also why Clark's been seen as a bumbling, clumsy man. He's so intoned with the wide open spaces of Smallville rather than the fast-paced, crowded energy of the big city. If anything, Superman is Clark's critique of how a superhero SHOULD be
The point is, Superman was born with his abilities. His abilities are what makes him Superman. Without those abilities, he wouldn't be Superman, he'd just be Clark Kent. His analogy was about her being born a killer. Now maybe she wasn't necessarily born a killer, but what he was saying is it was in her "DNA" to be a killer. She was trained, she was one of his top assassins, and she did her job well. But she definitely had to be a killer before she ever met Bill too. So Bill didn't make her a killer, he found her as a killer, then recruited her, then had her skills upgraded by having her train under Pai Mei. She was already an assassin before she ever trained under Pai Mei.
To further elaborate on his point, when she tried to change her identity to start a new life, the identity she chose was basically one of the most boring little nobodies. That was how she saw normal people, and that wasn't who she really was. She was always a killer, and eventually that fact would have caught up to her even if Bill didn't, meaning she could never be happy in her new identity and would ruin it somehow and then run from that life too.
Just like how Superman could never just be Clark Kent. Superman even tried many times to become "normal" and not use his powers, doing things like ignoring calls for help he could hear with his super hearing, and even going as far as to have his powers removed entirely through use of a machine, but he couldn't sit by and let people get hurt that he could help, so he reinstated his powers. Clark Kent is Superman with the absence of his powers. Which means Superman only exists because of those powers. And the same is true for her. She could try to drown out the nagging feeling in the back of her head, she could try to make herself into a helpless housewife living in some backwater, but in the end, she would still be the person she is.....a killer who worked for one of the most dangerous assassin squads in the world.
Another one of his points is that by her being "Superman", means that her foes automatically become the villain. So Bill is saying he didn't want to be a villain, but by making herself "Superman", she by proxy made him the villain. He's saying that due to her choices, he's inexorably trapped into the role of a villain. We've seen this before in comics, where it's the Super heroes who are actually responsible for creating their archenemies.
nailed it
He's an almost all powerful alien from Krypton pretending to be a mid-western farm boy who became a journalist...
Superman is the opposite of Batman
@@maximumcarnage2988 not really
People are saying that Bill’s description of Superman is inaccurate, and they’re right.
BUT, the point is, it takes someone like Bill to reach this conclusion about Superman. The characterization being incorrect is the point of Bill’s character.
I'm a fan of Superman and I don't think he's inaccurate in his description of Superman at all.I don't see how people can see how Superman would often present himself as Clark Kent any other way BUT as a critique of the human race.
Even Henry Cavill subtly criticized previous versions of Clark Kent and said that it wasn't necessary to portray Clark as being socially awkward,shy,timid,weak,bumbling and clumsy.I never liked the idea that Superman,for whatever unclear reason,felt like he had to present himself that way while he's in disguise as Clark Kent,either. I love the character but there are aspects about him I never quite liked or agreed with and that's one of them.
@@JR-ju3kj how can you like superman whilst disagreeing with lot of things which makes him what he is
This dialogue is so perfect because it also shows a lot about the character who's saying it. Clark Kent is weak because it allows Superman to get a real look at humanity. Some people will naturally defend the weak, some people will antagonise them. Either way, it allows Superman to decide whether humanity is worth his protection. Judging people on how they treat those weaker than them is one of the most classic tests there are. But Bill interprets it as Superman defends humanity because that's just what he does, because they're weak and he is strong, with no real reason behind it. Beatrix kills because thats just what she does, because others are weak enough and she is strong enough to do so, with no reason behind it. But in the end, both Superman and Beatrix had empathy driving their actions and Bill was just too late to see it.
I agree with what you said about Beatrix/Bill but I think humanity will always be worth superman’s protection because he was raised as clark kent
Humans are weak and unable to protect themselves, and Superman is essentially an overpowered but benevolent god. I think Bill is wrong in the sense that Superman doesn't especially look DOWN on humans as pathetic and inferior, but I bet Clark Kent wakes up every morning glad he isn't one of them and has those amazing powers. Superman loves the glory of being a world-saving hero. He loves being a god.
@@CheerfullyCynical829 That's what I hear from a lot of people , "SuPERMaN Is BoRinG" or "He'S a mArY SuE "
But Yet, from the comics I read, he can be one of the most human superheroes
out there
A man who take the time would help a kid fix his bike
Talk to a suicidal person
And lead one of the greatest superhero teams in fiction
Clark has never been perfect, he has flaws,
He's had trouble with his childhood and finding his identity, but he's never let that detour his optimism or sense of rights and wrong
Superman isn't great because he could punch you into space
He would Always look for the good in people, take the time out to be connect with people, even when it seems foolish
But now we also want a "REAL" take on the Man of steel
So we get people like OMNIMAN massacring a city or HOMELANDER having a bloodbath
And say it's "REALISTIC"
Not that those are bad deconstructions of Superman
But often we want something so "REAL" ,That we often discard what's GOOD
The simplicity of saving a cat out of a tree, Being a friend when someone needs help
Or just simply being good
We often miss that about each other...
We often miss that about Superman...
But it's just as simple as that
The belief that people can be good, despite of flaws or what's "REALISTIC"
And that's SUPERMAN
Beatrix was not motivated by empathy whatsoever. She's not a heroic character. The whole point of Beatrix killing Vernita Green and not giving a f that her daughter saw it is that she's a fully self-centered person and perfectly happy keeping the cycle of violence alive. She wants to get revenge and get her daughter back, she doesn't care who's life she ruins or who she has to kill to get there. We can sympathize with her as the narrative frames her as our protagonist, but like Budd said "that woman deserves her revenge, and we deserve to die. But then again, so does she"
@@publiusventidiusbassus1232 I disagree that she's 'fully self centred'. Her own desires are her top priority, above not harming others, but that doesnt mean she doesn't have empathy. If she was fully self centred, she would believe she was righteous in everything she did, she wouldn't tell Vernita's daughter to come get revenge when she wanted because she wouldn't view what she did as worthy of being revenged. At basically every turn she displays high levels of empathy, giving pretty much everyone an 'easy way out' that they just never choose, and after that point, she's just not going to disadvantage herself by continuing to let morals get in the way. Empathy in no way equals heroic, and empathy in no way equals actually acting according to said empathy; she still has it, regardless, and calling her 'fully self centred' is a gross oversimplification that ignores the nuance of her character
She's also more obviously not wholly self centred because her entire driving force through the whole story is her daughter. When it was only about herself, she was happily risking her life day in and day out, going through whatever her probably unhealthy relationship with Bill was like. She didn't care until it meant her daughter would suffer the side effects too. The one time she couldn't ignore her empathy and overall humanity for the sake of her own needs. As Superman is Clark Kent because he was raised by the Kents, The Bride is Beatrix because she wants to give a good life to her daughter. Both are things Bill fundamentally doesn't seem to understand.
Your superpowers get neutralized I can only watch in silence
Great as this scene is, my inner comic book nerd is about to take Bill to task on why he's completely wrong
See it this way, Bill is showing how casual of a fan he really is, he is expressing how HE sees the character on the conceptual level
Yes, because not only is he wrong about Superman, a superhero having a ”normal” identity as the mask and the hero as the true face is absolutely not unique in any way, shape or form.
"Batman is actually Bruce Wayne" Ehhhh I'd say it's the other way around. At least in Batman's own mind anyways lol.
That’s modern Batman. Classic Batman isn’t nearly so driven and nihilistic. He’s a more traditional superhero. Bill is old, so he’d know the classic Batman.
@@maxducoudray Modern > Classic
Darker knight > "traditional"
Bill needs to get with the times, old man.
"I'm Batman." - Batman
Agreed.I don't think Batman would ever agree with such an assessment.
It's definitely the other way around.
I remember in one of the comics,when Alfred tells Batman he can take the mask off because he's in The Batcave and doesn't need to hide his secret identity from anyone and Bruce tells him that sometimes he actually feels more comfortable with the mask on then he does with it off.That pretty much says it all in terms of his psychology and how he views himself. It's just like how Rachel Dawes told Bruce in Batman Begins that Bruce Wayne is the mask and Batman is his true face.
So Bruce Wayne has multiple personalities then?
This was so well written and well delivered by Carradine. Awesome!!
Came here to confirm my expectations that a lot of people would pointlessly get upset about Bill's interpretation of Superman. I wasn't disappointed.
im more bothered by his interpretation of Spiderman. he does not need the suit for his powers.
@@markmac2206 I think that that stuff is not (too) important. I know as well as anybody else where and how these interpretations are wrong but I don't care because it gives us a more or less new and unique interpretation of Superman, which can be the result of Tarantino writing Bill that way or Tarantino misunderstanding or intentionally misinterpreting the mythology to give us a cool scene that otherwise might not have worked or happened. Bill is certainly a manipulative person (he is called Snake Charmer after all) so why wouldn't he change the facts to get his point across?
What he means is that Bruce Wayne had to became Batman at some point; he wasnt always Batman.
Superman was Superman the moment he was born.
GIVE EARTH BACK TO DINOSAURS. But Bruce Wayne is the Alter ego. Batman is his true self. He was born when Bruce’s parents died and Bruce Wayne also died that night. Then the Bat was born. And Bill is wrong...how was Superman born Superman. His powers don’t make him Superman. If it weren’t for the Kent’s raising him as Clark Kent, then later on in life he wouldn’t have become Superman. The whole facade of Clark Kent being clumsy and weak etc. Doesn’t happen until later on in his life when he officially *becomes Superman* because he knew he wanted to help people.
But also didn’t want the world to know who he really was. I mean yes he is Superman but he wasn’t *born* Superman he simply became Superman later on in life as Bruce became Batman the night of his parents murder. Same for Peter Parker, Spider-Man was officially born when Uncle Ben died. So Bill is wrong, Superhero’s aren’t born there made.
RustyBrickStudios 🤦♂️....he was a good person and farmer. Because he was RAISED by good people. If he was raised by the wrong people. Then he would NOT be Superman. Like I said Bill is wrong. Superman was not born Superman. He was born as Kal-el....being raised to be a good person by the Kent’s is what *made* him become Superman.
RustyBrickStudios True.
RustyBrickStudios *you’re
@@TheKira708 actually...being sent to a planet with a yellow sun is what makes him Superman...He would be super powered no matter if he was good or evil...we just got lucky he turned out good
Characteristics of Peter Parker:
1. He's smart
2. He's shy
3. He always shows up late
4. He's a nerd
Characteristics of Spider-Man:
1. He's strong
2. He's witty
3. He's overconfidence of his physique.
4. He's relentless
@@456rakki thay's why I love Spider-Man, but HATE Peter Parker.
@@thewarrior6784 you hate peter parker beacuse you see him as your image by yourself...and you idolizing spiderman because you wanted to be like him
@@mr.frenzy7304 or maybe I just like assertive people. Simple as that.
@@456rakki I don't ever see Tobey's version like that. That's the only Spider-Man I know to fullest, so I guess maybe you are talking about comics or MCU one.
I always loved that line and how she said it. 😂 "Are you calling me a Superhero?"
1000 points to anyone who gets that reference at 2:05
Oliver Tran you mean what i said in mgs4
neat !!
solid snake Actually I meant the movie "Natural Born Killers" directed by Oliver Stone, but meh ok.
+solid snake
Snake, you get laid man. Seriously, you need to lose your virginity
+christian luna
i'm no virgin , never was , never will be
i'm just and old fapper
solid snake masturbation won't get rid of your virginity..... you can get rid of it from pounding a woman's juicy sex lips.
This scence and the one before telling about the gold fish are my favourites in the entire movie.
David Carradine´s voice is mesmerizing and like Nick Nolte he became an excellent actor with age.
Realizing Kendrick was referencing this scene in Euphoria 🤯🤯🤯🤯
I wonder why people are so overly critical of the notion that Superman disguises himself as Clark Kent. Been awhile, but I remember in one comic when Lex Luthor was confronted with the idea that Superman was Clark Kent that he utterly refused to accept that he would spend his time being someone so average.
The entire concept of an alter ego is to act and pretend, and Clark Kent has to pretend; he's had to pretend for the majority of his life to be less than he really is. He has to pretend to be that average face in a crowd. It's when he's Superman where nothing holds him back from being who he is. He may self-identify as Clark Kent, but Clark Kent is the one who has to play pretend; deep down he's the last son of Krypton: Kal-El. The heritage of Krypton means a great deal to him, and is shown that his heart's greatest desire was to have lived a normal peaceful life and raise a family on the planet of his birth.
Similarly, Batman is the inverse. Even though Batman views himself as Batman and not Bruce Wayne, Batman is the one who does the pretending: He pretends not to care, that his sense of justice is all that matters. In the same comic/animated episode that showed Superman's greatest desire, it showed that Batman's was of his parents never being murdered. Furthermore It was in the end the Joker who deconstructed him, disappointed that behind the mask and gadgets that his rival was really just nothing more than a child crying out for mommy and daddy.
that's not true. Although that may be Batman's desire, Batman is a rare type of hero. The trauma of his parents' deaths led to him forming an identity crisis of sorts. Batman, as a persona, represents everything that Bruce Wayne cannot be while Bruce Wayne represents everything that Batman cannot be and, it is because of this, that he is so conflicted as to who he really is. Bruce Wayne knows that if his parents were never murdered that he'd grow up to become Bruce Wayne, as he was born to be, but the trauma was what created Batman and, in essence, that is who Bruce had truly become, whether or not he admits it.
Sounds like a good comic - great writing - too bad you cannot recall issue number, title, or cover art.
I was in a thrift store once and saw these comic books - and I could not recognize a single title.. Nor were they DC or Marvel. Makes me wonder if every kid grows up in his or her own reality bubble, such that certain books, music, and works of art, are for him, or her, alone to read, watch, or listen to. And when you share your taste in art with another, a girl hopefully, that is a very intimate thing... well, it's a theory. How to prove it? "Eh fellas, ever hear of Harry Potter?" .. Seems far-fetched. For if true, what does that mean when you go to a movie theatre with others? .. the Planetarium scene in Rebel Without A Cause .. Worlds are constantly colliding?
Kelly KitKat, I'm pretty sure the issue in question is Superman - "The Secret Revealed" - No. 2, Feb 1987.
rahn45
No, this is plainly wrong. Superman is assimilated immigrant, meaning that yes, he cares about Kryptonian heritage, but Earth is and will always be his home, he was raised on it, he speaks English, he THINKS in English and he has western values. That's why he will be always killing/stopping Zod. Finally he calls himself Clark Kent, not Kal-El.
Him hiding his powers is just like for Peter Parker hiding powers to protect those who surrounding him. And it's nothing more than part of secret identity, because inside, in his soul he isn't kryptonian, but a human, and it is actually Superman that's his alter ego.
BTW overly goofy Clark Kent is invention of Donner movies, watch Max Fleischer cartoons as it has closest to original portrayal of Clark Kent in comics.
Quentin directing and dialogue here is just brilliant
Interesting theory. I think Superman is unique, but in a slightly different respect. He wasn't actually born Superman, but born Kal-El. And yes, Clark Kent, the human, is an alter-ego, but he didn't choose the name Superman, it was bestowed upon him by the people of the world. In that sense, 'Superman' is another alter-ego.
Still, awesome scene.
if anything, it's the Batman/Bruce dynamic that is opposite. He wakes up Batman, and puts on his persona of playboy Bruce Wayne, that's the act
But he's not real Batman. He became Batman to get away from being Bruce Wayne.
This scene is the first one I think of whenever I remember Kill Bill. It's a great observation on the superhero mythos.
Yeah, if he were talking about Batman instead.
Flanders : Homer, you hit me!
Homer : I saw my advantage, and I took it. That's what superheros do.
this is ironically how Lex Luthor views Superman
“INCREDIBLE! Everything you just said is WRONG!”
As a life long Superman fan I too was thrown when this movie came out. This seemed so wrong to the stuff I had read. Then I realized why: I was very ignorant as to Superman's total history, and for the vast majority of it he was a lot different than what I had read. When I delved more into it, I realized the truth of the matter. And that is that outside of Bill's opinion on Clark Kent being a negative critique of the human race (which he's wrong about because Bill is a villain so he's viewing things in a warped villainous way), despite popular yet grossly misinformed opinion Bill is indeed describing Superman correctly. What he's describing is the classic Superman that existed for half a century before the 80s did a complete 180 on the concept.
How come Bill be a villain and still allow Beatrix to give birth to his baby and not finish her off and raise that child by his own
@@BasedHorrigan he tried and blew it. He shot her in the head. just couldn't do it again when she was in a coma in the hospital
Man, I would love to see a Superman film by Quentin Tarantino...
The only person who sees superman like this, in DC canon, is lex luthor. And that's why he can't stand him. Superman is everything lex has made himself, through education, through inventing, through business, through his super suit. He sees the idea of Clark Kent as an indictment of humanity, specifically himself, because deep down superman has everything lex wants and will never have.
I wish these 2 did more movies together. Chemistry was unreal
Completely incorrect but a great speech
Cosmonaut Variety Hour talked about this scene in his video about The problem with DC heroes. He's says Superman is not Clark Kent's costume, he was Clark Kent before he was Superman which is very true. Everything he did happened on earth. Superman is the nicest superhero of all time he saves humans because he has the power to do it.
He's compelling, he's wrong, but compelling.
This is the moment that i stopped being able to hear the characters in Tarantinos movies. Now I only hear his voice and see his head on all of their shoulders. Its a weird curse.
Yeah. All of his characters sound like Tarantino himself. A weird mix of pedantry and charisma.
Best lecture about superheroes i've ever heard!
Technically Peter Parker is actually Spider-Man, since he has super powers. He became Spider-Man when he was bitten, but deep down he is Peter Parker, just the same way as how Super Man is really human on the inside.
It's impossible for Bill to realise that Superman is a better person for being Clark Kent, and that Clark Kent innately means something to him
David Carradine makes this explination more enjoyable every time I hear it.
Legendary scene
Dang this is deep, Superman secretly judges our weakness… Thats cold
It is very strange to see that a movie that doesn’t even have Superman or any DC or Marvel character for that matter in it and yet us nerds have a more serious conversation about the ideology of the characters than I’ve ever seen in a comment section for something that is from a superhero show or movie
Bill in this scene is Lex Luther and hence why his interpretation on the character of Superman isn't correct. That's the way Bill the Villain of the movie would view the character in his mind. Another masterful scene from the great Tarantino!!!
I know the character well. Bill speaks an inconvenient truth. Superman thinks we are week, but he Hopes for us to get stronger. The root of his character can be almost over protective, but that is how he was taught by Joe El. He can also be a surprisingly blunt here, in fact he is a lot.
He won't kill a man, but he'll cripple a man forever. That says something dark about him.
The problem is the people that don’t understand this
@@lairdriver if you’re going with the Donner movie yes. Most versions of Superman have never even spoken to Jor El
Superman was raised as Clark Kent, didn’t know he was an alien till close to his teens. Everything that makes him who is comes from Jonathan Kent’s morals and ethics. He was also raised in Kansas on a farm. That is who he is. Lois fell for and is in love with Clark, she just flirted with Superman. He was always an awkward man and portrays Superman as a strong symbol as a performance for the masses. Who he really is can be found in private moments with his loved ones
"Superman is what i can do, Clark Kent is who i am" also i think his monologue is right but for Batman
I can’t help but hear this in Tarantinos voice, like he’s explaining it to me in a bar, after we just did some blow in the men’s room
I could listen to David carradine tell stories all night and day
Great acting but let's take a moment to appreciate the decor! summer vibes all year!
I feel that Tarantino could do a great superhero film in the same vein of Unbreakable if not set in the Eastrail Universe. He even called the film a master piece.
One thing about the Superman monologue is that Superman would probably be the first one to disagree with it. While, yes, he does have abilities that separate him from humanity, its his innate humanity that causes him to use his powers to help others.
I love this speech. Brilliant.
Now this is how Lex Luthor would have described it!
he's not weak in the new ones like reeves was, he is a world class journalist
***** is it? i thought reeves was like a local journo and in lewis lanes shadow who was national not globetrotting like in new one
***** damn u got good memory man
***** ive not seen them since they were last on TV! lol i think the pryor one was best
***** i never was fond of him or his story, i really impressed by Cavill tho. the tv guy and reeves were alright but cavill adds a dimension imo. both film guys are better than dean caine tho lol
***** i thought he's alright, in the new one he is bit of an anti-hero and despised by some. & clark kent is more like a ratty journalist a bit tabloid
"Moving to El Paso, working in a used record store, goin' to the movies with Tommy, clipping coupons. That's you, trying to disguise yourself as a worker bee. That's you tryin' to blend in with the hive. But you're not a worker bee. You're a renegade killer bee."
David Carradine was just an acting genius. Rest In Peace good sir.
I agree to this speech somewhat. I don't think Clark is criticizing the human race, I mean he grew up on this planet and defends and protects it as much as he could, by acting weak and cowardly. I agree that the "Daily Planet Clark Kent" acts meek and defenseless because it''s a whole front while Superman is his real persona. DP Clark Kent is acts like an average guy to throw off any suspicion of him being Superman. That is his costume. Superman is his real identity.
Superman really has 3 personas. Smallville Clark, Daily Planet Clark, and Superman. The only true one is Smallville
"Batman is actually Bruce Wayne."
"I know. I've kissed him before."
"i made him and Robin fight over me"
Superman was actually named Kal-El by his parents."Clark Kent" is the name his earthly parents gave him. "Superman" is the name that the media,, aka society, placed upon him.
I have a feeling this monologue was at least partly inspired by Mr. Glass' monologue about comic books in Unbreakable.
I use to love this until I realized bill is wrong in his analysis. Clark Kent was raised as a human child by human parents and had their values instilled into him. He isn't a critique, he just knows there's no point in his being boisterous.
1:18 "Clark Kent is Superman's critique on the whole human race."
Is it really a critique? Or simply rather a way to make himself look like the exact opposite of how strong he really is, regardless of his opinions on humans?
This obviously goes so far over your head you don't even feel the breeze from its passing ! just watch the action bits and enjoy yourself, leave the philosophy to the grown ups ;)
@@danny1229c Explain it to me then :) Why am I wrong?
@@Reofive It's not really about wrong or right, there are quite a few layers to all of this just in the superman part alone and that's before you get to Beatrix and Bills current situation and how he's also using the superman view to make a point about Beatrix also. Sooooo i'm getting in to a back and forth argument/debate, Sorry for being a tad agressive and possibly making you feel small, Have a great day and stay safe during all the Corona Hysteria.
Its not about what Clark character thinks or what is his opinion..its an idea of superman and human real identity
It's a way to fit in with humans. If the opposite of superman is weak and tentative, then I would say its not a charitable way of viewing most people. But this is Bill's perspective. He's a guy who's assembled basically a team of super killers; he looks at disdain at normal human beings, whom he basically kills at will because he doesn't really feel they're worth consideration. Notice how he kills Bea's entire wedding party without much thought or care, but feels remorse and later shows mercy at killing Bea. He's basically General Zod from Superman (only the strong have value, and Bea is actually Superman.
No wonder she fell in love with him. Such charisma!
I always see people attacking or defending this speech as though it's an actual statement on Superman and not 100% about Bill and how Bill sees the world and Beatrix.
Clark grew up in Smallville and was his boyscout, earnest, self well before he developed his full power suite. This is patently wrong.
But he isn't like the reporter, he's right about Reporter Clark being a persona. The real Clark acts just like Superman
living the dream
There is only one thing that I don’t like in Bills monologue about Superman.
It’s when he says that Batman’s alter ego is Bruce Wayne.
Bruce Wayne is actually the mask. Batman is who he truly is…
I could listen to him speak for hours.
This scene is cool, but I disagree on how he sees Superman.
A character like him can't understand why Superman would ever want to be human
His point as that he was destined to be the hero while Kiddo was born to be a killer.
"Clark Kent is Superman's critique on the whole human race"
Or maybe - just maybe - he was ALWAYS shy and unsure of himself ! Being gifted with super powers, or being a killer doesn't make you perfect. Doesn't make you "superior". Just makes you different. That being said, I think Bill didn't see that fact: even if Beatrix was a killer, gifted with great capacity for addaptation and a natural talent to be a killer, that doesn't mean she had to be like that. She a killer, but she's human above all else. Ah, what am I doing here ? Trying to say what a psychopath didn't see in all of his twisted conclusions about life.
Hiky Prime ok that’s it you should write a book
And that's why Pai Mei taught her the exploding heart technique and not him.
I agree with him 100%. Never pretend which you are not.
I genuinely think Bill was the best part of the movie. Incredible performance :)
How might this apply to Tony Stark and Iron Man, I wonder? If Clarke Kent is Superman's critique of the whole human race, then I would say Iron Man is what Tony Stark thinks the human race should aspire to be... but that's just my two cents.
Tony is far less idealistic than Clark. I don't think he wants to inspire but to just keep humanity safe period (which leads him to some morally questionable routes like Civil War)
Such a good interpretation
It's clever how Bill remain prepared for this moment ever since he left Beatrix for dead. As much as he may have wanted her dead for running out on him when he shot her in the head, he was also opening her eyes to the fact that she couldn't escape her old life and once she went on her rampage, she was proving him right that she'd always be a killer no matter what life she turned over to.
One of if not my favorite monologue of any movie
I mean arguably Batman's alter ego is Bruce Wayne, at least since his parents died
1memer
Or perhaps Batman and Bruce Wayne are one and the same.
Snapper95 Oh shit does that mean he's an interesting character?
I mean Superman is and has always been Superman (or Kal-el, whatever), and Clark Kent has always pretty much been a disguise, but with Batman it's murkier.
1memer wtf man , you got that wrong: superman is clark kent ,superman is just a disguise for clark to represent what he wants to do but Batman is Batman , bruce wayne died at the same time that his parent was murdered .
I always thought this was an amazing scene. What a great metaphor. Superman...is the man. Clark Kent is the real costume.
Beatrix Kiddo...is a killer. The life she wanted...was just a dream. She even admitted it would not have made her happy.
That isn't true though. Clark Kent, was Clark Kent before he was Superman, and he was raised by humans on earth. He isn't some critique on humans or whatever. In short Bill is completely wrong.
@@nathanaquino4385 No,he isn't completely wrong. This is one of the ways to look at Superman. I mean,he is wrong inside DC comics logic, Superman is saint there,no human can compare to him. But if Superman was an actual living creature,he would be just as Bill said. Superman is always superman,his brain always thinks like a super computer and his body is always God like. Superman can't just throw his other part away,he just too strong and too smart.
Tarantino is the master script writer... what a great piece of dialogue. And David Carradine delivers it so WELL. Such a great scene.
Is it the wiring is it the delivery… is magic is that this is.
Isn't Thor the exception to Bill's claim about superman standing alone with having the characteristic of having been born with his superhero identity?
***** He was being generic. But yeah there are exceptions the rule saying the superhero is the alter ego.
***** But Thor is a GOD, not a superhero.
***** Plus, Thor is always Thor, he has no alter ego, no "normal" costume.
***** Dr. Donald Blake, Jake Olsen...it's no alter ego, but he has lived under these alias names for a while ;)
***** Thor is a deity, he shouldn't be consider a superhero, it's like if you make a comic book character out of Jesus or Allah.