DnD Needs TOXIC Masculinity | Black Lodge Games Podcast
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This week, Nick and Matt (two men with Adonis-like visages) diagnose a massive problem in the hobby: lack of toxic masculinity. The current culture of D&D 5e is progressing further and further into feminization and young men are being sold a poisonous world view about heroism and strength.
These games are not therapy, they are fantasies about adventure, danger, heroism, and daring. We check in on @PlayYourRole who makes horrendously evil content that promotes young men abandoning their instincts about their role as men in the world. After discussing his completely villainous worldview, Matt and Nick check in on the #wotc product announcements to see the direction of New Product™ and whether you should consoom it.
After wading through this horrific parade of weakness and poison, it's time for some glorious eye bleach, courtesy of classic Dungeons & Dragons artists, Jeff Easely and Clyde Caldwell.
#ttrpg #toxicmasculinity #criticalrole #masculinity #osr
Videos discussed this episode:
• Scanlans Gambit: A Mom...
• Fjord: How Travis Will...
• Grab Your Friends - D&...
00:00:00 - Start
00:02:09 - The Eradication of Masculinity from TTRPGs
00:11:18 - Jay Martin - Play Your Role Peddles Evil
00:20:21 - Exploring Good and Evil in TTRPGs
00:28:11 - Art Is Not About Your Personal Insecurities
00:32:41 - Exalting Weakness on a Grand Scale
00:36:07 - Let's See About WotC
00:42:58 - Making D&D "Safe"
00:47:07 - The D&D Kids Stuff You in a Locker
00:48:01 - Glorious Eye Bleach
00:52:35 - Clyde Coomwell - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
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I just put what I thought was a cautious non-offensive comment disagreeing on another video of yours but this one just shows a lack of acceptance of time changing, and a lack of acceptance for people in general. Your ideas on masculinity are terrible, honestly, and should have NOTHING to do with playing a game ever.
You two seem to me personally, to have fragility in your own masculinity. Wanting to spread toxic masculinity shows weakness in yourself as men, a weakness you know deep down inside you want to fight to repair.
Didn't ask
@blacklodgegames you made a discussion video
@@BorfieKaiI reject your soy world and substitute my own high T world. 💪
You have no grasp on how dudes are in mass. Go ask 100 guys outside of this hobby what their take is and most are going to agree here I'd say maybe 3 depending on your city. You say it is going against change yet that is only after the guys who have that traditional masculinity have built the world we have where we don't need that lifestyle for most guys.
Behold the comment of shame!
I'm a woman. About 80% of my PCs are "toxic" males. Usually everyone at the table has fun with it and there is a lot of laughter 🙂
My most toxic player by far is a woman
Toxic masculinity is being dumb, jerk, dick, gross, etc, towards women but also everyone else! Being masculine is striving to overcome, get stronger, achieve something, have rightful pride, be admired and loved by your virtues! Be protective and kind, carve your path, be generous, etc. There is nothing wrong with being masculine, it's actually the opposite of being a jerk and a bully!
Too bad the people who coined and use the term don't agree with you
@@Skullnaught Yeah, it's true. What's worse, there are crazies in both sides. As much as I hate woke and SJW ideologies, I see a lot "red pilled" idiots that simply hate women, and are not good guys. That's why is so hard to debate, people from both sides think you're a crazie. If people where simply to follow their nature while respecting others, there would be much less trouble. I born into a very feminine family, but I learn to love myself and grow up to be a masculine man, in spite all stupid stuff. That said, I have a lot of respect for women and people in general. I happen to be an heterosexual man, but if I was gay or a woman, I would stay true to my nature (in that case, a gay man or a female). If I was born with a female brain I would be trans, no problem with that. But given I'm a masculine man, let me be what I am! I'm not toxic, nor am I evil or abusive just to be masculine. That's why SJWs and Woke give nerves! They think we should live in constant class and gender warfare, they see everything as a battleground!
Gotta really agree with you here, these same traits trully are toxic regardless of sex, thus it's not a "masculinity" problem, it's an individual problem.
@@AdlerMow "I see a lot "red pilled" idiots that simply hate women, and are not good guys."
What red-pilled people do you pay attention to? I've seen very few red-pillers who fit this description.
@@StupidAnon-gn8ihit’s a matter of what’s on your feed. TH-cam gives people certain stuff on their feed so they can get their views up
Gotta bring skull sculpts to the gaming table. Preferably with horns. Keep it brutal. Keep it metal! Explain everything in brutal & deadly terms. I think that's how DCC got me back into wanting to run gaming sessions again. Grimtooth's Museum of Death! YES!!
I got a gaming group together by making a flier that’s all swords and a 45 lb plate. That did a pretty good job of weeding out the detritus. I chained an 80 pound kettlebell to the garage door as a barrier to entry one night. Actual strength check. Bend bars / lift gates. Can’t get in? Too bad .
Hello, based department
@@blacklodgegames looks like some of my other comments here got flagged by the tech overlords. Summary: cartoon profile photo alphabet mafia über-autists are a plague on the hobby, and humanity.
Critical Role is simply an art house presenting acted out scenes about players in their D&D game sessions.
The WOTC song saying dnd could be modern or sci fi feels like someone trying to tell me a Ramset is just as useful for working on a car as nailing things to concrete.
Knowing he has 25 times the number of subscribers as this channel makes this whole thing hit different. There was some concern trolling about how his worldview can only lead to a bitter awakening, yet look at your last 8 videos and look at his last 8 videos and ask, which channel requires bitterness to maintain its trajectory?
Knowing you checked the sub counts of both channels in order to comment makes this whole thing hit different
Don't even try coming at these guys with logic. They're the primitive kind of man who doesn't do that.
Popularity is vanity. If Black Lodge had only 1 subscriber and 1 viewer, and he was right, he would be no more right than if he had 1m subscribers and 100m channel views.
@@magonus195 Correct. Doesn't change that they're wrong in either case.
...hmm...numerous videos in and finding less and less about gaming. At this point I am almost wondering if you guys a grifting. You can't really care about this, can you? The only thing more insufferable than an SJW is one who incessantly complains about the insufferably SJW. Do you not see the irony? That you are crying about people inserting their views into something that you enjoy and should be free of that and here I am just some dude who stumbled across a video, was intrigued and am now here...and all I wanted was a video on some cool systems or more ideas on running/playing a better game.
Well then you haven't really looked at our channel all that much, it's basically all we talk about. Occasionally we touch on the culture war, but mostly we talk about games.
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I watched Jay Martin's video when it came out, and I did cringe a bit. Travis's (and Fjord's) actions had nothing to do with masculinity. What he did was momentous but (as in many cases with unscripted drama) it can be interpreted in many different ways.
I could easily make the case that Fjord's rejection of his patron was an allegory (yes, that is a valid interpretation) for a woman letting go of a toxic relationship with an abusive male partner on whom she is financially dependent, and temporarily seek the help of her friends and family who have been there for her all along.
That said, I have no idea why we "need toxic masculinity" - was that just pure clickbait?
It's not clickbait, it's actually what these guys believe.
its about roleplaying. play a ROLE. you don't have to overthink it. feel it... be something else. be toxic if you want, but that's not the only option. widen your landscape, read a book, get inspiration and be free. You have the right to be an a-hole or roleplay one. but also you can play without any toxicity. find the table for you. it's a game. enjoy it.
To your point around the 10-minute mark, games can be therapeutic, but they are not therapy. I am working on my master's currently, and I am building a therapy tool kit that utilizes the structures of tabletop RPGs to support people in 'gamifying' their life in order to build structure for themselves. My project is not a game; it's therapy. I certainly would not enjoy a therapy session in place of a gaming session.
It's kind of funny because Jocat was bullied out for a "misogynistic video"...this age kind of ...well
You can do anything in D&D! You can sing and dance! You can kiss a king! You can even be bullied off the Internet by a pack of anonymous retarded people!
Jocat: "I like girls of all types."
weirdos: "this sounds misogynistic!"
Wasn't he bullied for transphobes?
Hey, first time viewer here and, legit can't tell if the video is serious or not?
As long as the table's having fun in their respective games, it's all that matters in the end 🔥
No it's not!
No, they're being serious. Just look at their comments under this video. They're actually this pathetic and sad.
Me too, I came here from the Stop acting and start role-playing! video which was fantastic. And now this 0_0
I partly disagree with you. It is true that a completely defeatist attitude gets you nowhere in life. But it is even truer that the impressive thing about humanity is not primarily great people striving after their goals, but community. The interchanging of ideas, ressources (and help!) etc. is far more important then individuals going against the grain (although sometimes it is necessary). I think Nietzsche generally overstated the importance of the individual, although it makes sense for him to think that way, concidering the particular age of german history he lived through. I recommend reading David Graeber on this topic.
You think these guys read?
hello fellow masculine men
A frog with an adonis like visage
*hail and well met, traveler*
Maybe the guy with the beard. The twink next to him though? Really?
These guys are a lot of things, but masculine isn't one of them.
The Red Room and The 13th Warlock are an antidote to this.....
Testosterone is the hormone responsible for baldness. And as the old tradition know: long hair is a sign of masculinity, a sign of th gods giving you strength. I leave you to draw your own conclusions.
Way to go guys... Shooting down a fellow youtuber talking in passion about a show you (self-admittedly) haven't seen because it fits a narrative you wanted to tell.
When all you have is a hammer every problem is a nail. When you as storytellers don't believe in showing weakness - all your stories suffer as a result.
Thanks!
Weakness is not a virtue
$10 says you are terrible at using a hammer
@@PitchBlackForge And who the fuck cares?
@@gazelle_diamond9768 women. Other men. Everyone of any worth.
pot calling the kettle cringe
I don’t see a pinned link to the supplements that can help.
If you don’t have your own label I believe Alex Jones sells some.
@@amikkelsen black lodge games water filters coming soon
So, I feel like some projecting may have happened on your side in connection to the first topic. The issues you talk about are quite real, in fact not just about man, about literally humanity itself. Negative traits are getting celebrated more and more. But I feel like that video was not about what you got from it at all. Maybe it's because I've seen CR so I have more context about what the person is referring to.
While some things in the video, as you said don't really make sense (for example the warlock patron representing toxic masculinity was very much a weird angle in my opinion as well). The point in the end was that the character (Fjord) put on a mask for very long, trying to be someone he wasn't because thats what he imagined a "real man" is like. He neglected himself, not asking for help and trying to deal with things all by himself even when it was getting pretty clear that it's not going to work so when he lost his powers all that broke. It's not about supporting weakness and not trying anything at all just accepting yourself as a loser and celebrating it. It's about letting a forced personality drop and asking for help from those close to you instead of slowly destroying yourself, at least with that current problem. Nothing in this statement implies that you should never try anything yourself and just run for help whenever any minor inconvenience happens.
Also a point you've mentioned several times in the video and I just wanna ask it straight up cause I'm curious. If a man tears up because he sees something sad in... let's say a touching movie. Is that man really disgusting and pathetic in your opinion?
Should men cry at movies or Dnd? #shorts
@@blacklodgegames Can you give us a straight answer? I'm genuinely curious myself.
No Clyde Caldwell art featuring Doc Savage? The most manly man to ever man!
Emasculating other men is a pretty obvious sign of masculine insecurity lol blows my mind how so many “men” don’t get this
This comment posted by a woman.
@@blacklodgegames Instantly Subscribed.
@@blacklodgegames lol definitely not a woman but nice try!
what the hell are y'all doing with your lives, how is this worth an hour and a quart video. perspective bro
had me asking this the entire video.
There are many ways to play roleplaying games. They can he “surface level entertainment” but they can also convey meaning or ideas and there is nothing unusual about walking away with a lesson or takeaway.
RPG’s are not solely a power fantasy though they can be. Roleplaying is primarily both a storytelling game .
I think its a strange takeaway to suggest that they are saying one should consider oneself helpless no more than you aren’t saying you can never accept help.
We don't enjoy the surface level experience that a lot of tables have because we've managed to get a lot more out of our games than just a few laughs and some dead goblins (though there is nothing inherently wrong with that).
You're right that these games aren't solely power fantasy, but they certainly aren't a weakness fantasy either. There is a reason that we refer to the "adventuring" party. Adventure takes courage and bombast.
I'm also not sure how much I agree that these are storytelling games. Play does generate stories, but it isn't the same as any other medium as no one truly knows where the story is going before hand (not even the GM). Still thinking that part of it through and I'm sure we'll talk about it in an episode more explicitly at some point.
@@blacklodgegames dude the fact that you think emotions = weakness says way more about how fragile your masculinity is than how masculine other folks are lmao...
@@cryptickitsune1876 ngmi
@@cryptickitsune1876 If that is your take away you're the very definition of a moron. Don't misrepresent what they are saying. Men can clearly show emotion, but we should not be advocating that boys and men should break down into tears at frivolous things, while promoting any behavior that says its okay to act like a thin skinned child any time their ego is insulted or attacked. It's actually toxic to say men should succumb to their emotions and break down.
People break out of stereotypes.
I'm older than both of you, but you're both giving off massive Grandpa Simpson vibes here.
Given that one of the greatest moments Abe saying "I use to be with it , then they changed what it was... ...and it will happen to you" that's not a bad thing
Abe Simpson was a war hero. Good vibe to have.
It is from Chessmen of Mars I believe...Burroughs is great
Uncle Iroh would make you both feel ashamed for each insult you hurl at this guy. Actual masculine energy doesn't attack like you have, it's stoic. Oof.
The only person who should be ashamed is the one citing anime in a discussion about masculinity.
goated reference
Wow racism and fragile masculinity oof. “It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows.”
― Epictetus@@blacklodgegames
@@blacklodgegames Media of any kind should not be dismissed because of its format. Some anime is way more based than its soy-filled Western alternatives.
@@royrieder2113 referencing an american made chinese cartoon is very soy though. At least tell me piccolo would be disappointed
If i wanted to see myself i would pose in front of the mirror.
had to pick a guy that looked like Bob Kelso XD
As someone on HRT because of low testosterone due to illness that intro made me laugh out loud!!😂😂
Latest thing I shed a tear for was "the Holdovers", a great movie that I really recommend. Great acting and great story! My tears were shed because of how some scenes made me feel as a father.
Low T is insanely bad for you, glad you got what you need and glad you have a sense of humor!
@@blacklodgegames Yeah, I was really sick back then and going to the gym resulted in less gains rather than more.
Haha, a sense of humor is a requirement to keep living.
Yikes
Just play with Friends and have a good time.
No
@@blacklodgegames Okay... you guys aren't just pathetic... you're just sad. Like... straight up depressing.
You will never be happy again in your lives. You will never find other friends, let alone partners. You will never be successful in your lives and achieve anything meaningful.
Your lives... are completely pointless.
@@blacklodgegames So you don't game for fun and friendship? Okay. A fight club sounds a thing you might enjoy.
Six minutes in and still waiting for them to say they're joking. I too didn't like the Candela Obscura book, but c'mon, this is plain bullying.
Woman hands wrote this post.
You guys need to work on how you communicate. I've heard other men say similar things as you, but their messages are far more poignant and with far less snark, and your audience scores reflect this (fewer than 10% likes per view is considered bad, I don't even need to see the dislikes).
I appreciate what you're trying to do, but unless you rightfully distinguish your humor from your argumentation your words will continue to fly in one ear and out the other with your own desired viewers. People will judge that you aren't taking your own position seriously and will disregard even your better-made points.
cheers
Begone tone police!
Yeah, that's about the response I was expecting...
Nah, even if they articulated themselves better, all that's coming out of their mouths are still just piles of shit. It doesn't matter if you arrange a pile of shit in a really artistic way... it remains a pile of shit.
I find it disturbing that ideas of stoicism, deontology, ambition, courage, honesty, and bluntness are seen as toxic, yet in the same breath the majority of these individuals would rather see a man die atop his horse than ever come down and admit failure or weakness.
Women, let alone men , have never truly ever wanted a man to weep like a child anytime he has emotional trauma. The majority lie and say its okay but will reject that man if he ever shows weakness in such a public let alone private manner.
When did the ideas of heroism, strength, and the hero's journey become the bad guys? I can empathize and sympathize with others without the need of becoming a woman and having a childish outlook on the world.
Look, I have quite literally been reading two different gaming articles and run across people making comments regarding the kind of people who like or support free market capitalism as a negative. They said it as if they’ve never met another human being that isn’t seeking to live under the boot of communism.
I don’t play modern Dungeons and Dragons. I imagine there have to be decent people who do. I see the audience to which WotC is pandering. I’m not interested.
Real men cry.
I'm shaking, weeping rn
Not in front of others.
Male tears are not to be wasted.
True, but a bit misleading. Real men don't cry over trivial things, and they understand that often you have to set aside your emotions to deal with other priorities.
@@godsamongmen8003 That literally goes for everyone, not just men.
Hey, lots of guys cry at Hallmark commercials. I cry at Walmart commercials. "She got the lowest price!" . Capitalism is beautiful. Go make your future!
where did you get the doctor's sceen.
The meme doctor is on Fiverr. Frankgeorgetv
@@blacklodgegames cool
You finally thinking of stepping up your game, OG?
@@dane3038 have i not stepped it up enough? Im still waiting on that opening music
@@TheOGGMsAdventures its coming!! Bro! It's coming!!
This was a great talk! A lot to glean from the art cultures. CR gets silly but they do have some real dramatic moments that sells the vision of dramatic rp to a wider audience.
But yes, let's create a better culture that chases the creation of meaningful art
I am female but have played males in some games and even I have seen this phenomena. Male players playing male chatacters telling each other that things are okay, that nothing is your fault, that you didnt know better and so on... Just smoothing out some really messed up issues at times or erasing the reality - so to speak - of the world around them to make it seem good. It is quite baffling really. So I made a Clint Eastwood type of character from A Man with No Name trilogy, and insead of just calling out these things like another character of mine used to, he very much acts/shoots while the party has their little heart to heart about how being weak is fine.
But hey I get the feelings from a Coca Cola comercial XD Nah but jokes aside I have a reason. My mom used to love them - she didnt drink it lol but she liked the ads. She passed away last year alongside my dad in a tragic accident that I barely survived. So... I got my reasons!
But to your point, you are so right. These games I used to be with this same group... They took ages to go over feelings and such in such an exaggerated way that the plot itself was kind of forgotten for a while. I am in just one last Pathfinder game with them and working on my own to run for some friends.
Being stoic and being an obnoxious asshole is not at all the same thign though
I wish you hadn't survived that accident.
Hey everyone! I showed up here for the circle-jerk but I came late to the party...I said I came late....😐
Lmao this is satire, right?
Unfortunately not.
"females"
Graft their own insecurities... how is this video different?
By virtue of the fact that we aren't insecure.
We're so secure, we made multiple videos and podcast episodes that cover it
@@blacklodgegames Anybody who whines about other people being not masculine enough and getting angry over that is by definition insecure. Something somebody else did shakes you to the point where you need to go to the internet to look for validation. "THOSE PEOPLE ARE SO SOY, BUT WE'RE LIKE REAL MANLY MAN, AREN'T WE? AREN'T WEEE???!!!! VALIDATE MEEEEEE! TELL ME I'M A REAL MAN! BECAUSE I AM A REAL MAN! 😭"
You *could* just do your own thing and not give a fuck about what somebody else you're in no way connected to does, but instead you come crying to the internet because you're such snowflakes that other people doing their own thing in their children's table top game offended you. Imagine thinking that being a nerd who plays DnD in the first place is in any way "TRADITIONALLY MASCULINE". You're pretend playing as if you're still a toddler in your sandbox. You know what the Traditional Male Rolemodel you want to aspire to would say to that? "Grow the fuck up and do something with your life. You're no longer a child; act like it."
Shoutout for the Kevin Samuels reference.. #RIP
Thank you for the video. I know what warning signs to look for in my entertainment.
Caldwell's Dragonlance art was amazing
Absolutely
It's flippin BEAUTIFUL. They immediately evoke high stakes and powerful heroes!
Let me share this about online community. I play a character that is self described as "a paladin marvel of masculine muscle" and yes, he's manly but of all else: kind.
Everyone I play with hates him. They say insulting things and I even had an outwardly misanderous player betray and kill him. Yes, there is a problem with misandry and weak masculinity and actual toxic masculinity in the hobby. I don't like it.
Surely this random youtube commentator would never show a limited, biased view of their own misery, right?
There is no such thing as online “community.” Get some real friends. Stop being a pussy.
The point of TTRPG's is to make a badass character, join your friends and their badass characters, and go off on badass adventures slaying monsters and looting barrows and crypts.
Sure, but it's important to remember that this is one of many ways to enjoy the hobby. It doesn't have to be any one thing. I prefer the exact type of game you're talking about but I can also appreciate the games that heavy on roleplay or exploration.
That is ONE POSSIBLE point. It's not the only point.
Would be toxic and horrible dnding with guys like these two. They dont belong near DND
Yup. They're right about one thing: We need to Gatekeep DnD. Gatekeep it from guys like these.
13:30 I'm over in the kitchen eating pizza while hearing cringe coming from the far corner.
It's going to get much worse.
The difference in acceptance of weakness and exaltation of weakness is important. The better term for me would be competence. If you don't know how to fix a helicopter, don't try to fix a helicopter, get help from someone who does. Accepting what your competences are, are a sign of being humble. Stick to the things you are competent and try broaden the in given time. People who doesn't how the world works and trying to fix the world is one of the reasons we are where we are right now. If your room is a mess, leave the world alone and go clean it.
100%.
Not according to these guys. If you can't fix a helicopter, you're not a man.
I like JoCat. Like his videos too. Doesn't mean i know the guy but I've always been sympathetic. I see nothing wrong with guys liking Shawls or drinking bobba tea or being quite feminine. Live and let live is my usual attitute. I'm quite happy he got to create a cool animation musical thingy for WotC with his small animation team. But I agree with you that I wish WotC would allow this WHILE also letting us have the badass moments with buff barbarians slaying Machiavellian Beholders and scantily clad sorceress learning the intricates of a Charm Person spell practicing on their love-struck victim. If they want to put wheelchairs and promote "diversity", that'd be fine. I just wont buy those products and wait for the badass ones to come along. But we don't get the badass ones anymore, because they're "problematic".
I'm a fat guy - i don't want to play a fat character. Give me a hero's journey, a mountain to climb, a dungeon to explore. To make allies and vanquish enemies. Sometimes i enjoy to embroil my characters in deep-seeded traumas from the past, like my male Drow Wizard who was a slave to his matriarch trained as a weapon, forced to keep his mouth closed for he might accidentally "spell" out loud - literally - and wreck havoc. But that is a fun roleplaying challenge for the group to engage in, finding ways around it and to overcome this deep, festering wound and let it heal. It is not some suffering i wish to revel, but to ultimately overcome with the aid of my allies at the table and forge an even stronger bond.
You can literally still do all of those things.
And you certainly don't need toxic masculinity for it.
"Everyone looks ideal, and beautiful" "Have verisimilitude in your games to make them grounded." Which one is it bud?
“Imagine having people like this at your table,” I don’t need to. I don’t fucking need to. IT’S HELL!
Find a different table, my guy! :)
Or better yet: Find a different world to live in, my guy.
I was crushed by the need to demonstrate my masculinity. Oh the inhumanity of a game centered on PRETENDING!! This is beyond a first world problem, it is like a zeroth world problem. A zeroth world is a world that does not exist, by the way. These people need to get outdoors more if this is an issue for them. I mean seriously? Toxic masculinity in D&D? What next toxic masculinity in men's Olympic sports like boxing? Let's take the violence out of boxing and D&D. That will be welcoming and inclusive and woke.
What are you even trying to say?
@@gazelle_diamond9768 I am trying to say that people are complaining about things that are inherently part of the game, like violence, mistreatment based on species, things that the woke crowd can't bear to experience even in a game. For that reason instead of choosing not to play themselves they decide that people who play the game can no longer have these elements in it. People are canceled because of a game they have designed or play. Many of us have had enough of that nonsense and are pushing back against it. What I'm trying to say is what I play in my game offends you don't play in my game and go away and leave us alone.
@@crapphone7744 I will have to repeat myself: What in the fuck are you talking about?
@@gazelle_diamond9768 sorry, but I can't be much clearer than that.
@@crapphone7744It's not that you're not clear, semantically I can understand your sentences. I just have no freaking clue what you are talking about.
Gatekeeping is objectively good and should be done at every opportunity.
Alright.
Get off this world, NOW!
52:35 absolutely 0 backside. What the hell?
Massive oversight by Clyde Coomwell imo
3:31 masculinity so strong the hosts are falling asleep 😴
The WOTC video also gave off cult / Amway vibes.
Nah bro, we ain't allowed to live in a world where people play d&d for reasons different than the two of you.
Don't get me wrong I loved the scene with Liam and Sam that Jay martin was doing a deep dive on, not because it was therapy but it was a great story moment that encompassed why CR started and touched on teh RL friendship between them. That scene was a private moment that happened to be seen by the fans not fan service. Jay Martin is an Idiot.
That said...
I often explore mental illness in my games and characters, because I find it interesting to have imperfect characters who have an actual reason for being the way they are. I find simple characters dull, but that's because i've been playing for 35 years and i've been there and done that. My Favourite character ever was a broken half elf Arcane Trickster who's human father had died she couldn't cope and she had started to picture death as a real person and was "hiding from him" her entire Arc was finding that the friendships in teh party was important enough for her to put aside all her mental issues and get better. It was a very fun experiance, but It was roleplaying, it wasn't an ode to my demons. I play to enjoy myself, not to grow as a person, I leave that to the characters.
I have 2 ladies at my table currently, on a 6 player group with 2 DM's. One of the ladies a seasoned player now, who is stepping past the simple character stage and moving into complex characters, the other is 2 sessions in. The other three players are guys, One like myself had very complex characters (He's the other DM in the party.) The second is playing the same charater he always plays, we are gradually exploring the charater in all the different classes, but he always want to play that character. The last guy is murderhobo who gets bored by any roleplaying and generally is on tinder until there is a fight.
I wouldn't change them for the world.
As for masculinity, masulinity is in essence putting others before yourself.
My friend had players make character backgrounds that were extensive. He ran weekly game sessions for three months before he told them what game system they were going to use and had them generate stats.
sound kinda cool but kinda crazy. How'd it go?
How the heck would that even work?
Please, when you make videos like that, make a warning that what you’re saying is not criticism, but subjective opinion.
No
You think these guys have frontal lobes developed enough to understand the difference?
@@gazelle_diamond9768 I hope so, they’re adult after all :( Not mature it seems
The root of the hobby is Wargaming.
The roots themselves are drenched in Masculinity!
Just discovered this video and your channel! I'm an intersex woman, and I agree there needs to be more masculinity in D&D. I've got some bullet point thoughts on why:
- *Men are better party leaders.* I absolutely believe that D&D groups benefit when the most responsible or intuitive male is in charge of the group. I've seen what happens to parties when women (myself included) are in charge, and it generally results in long debates or instant impulses. Soyboy type guys in charge are just abysmal, defaulting to pandering or idiocy.
- *The art benefits.* Most of the best art of D&D came from when artists weren't afraid to make women characters sexy and men characters badass.
- *The table is healthier.* Masculinity is not going to suffer things like safety tools or people whining about their characters or wanting special treatment.
You're not a woman. You're a thing. So clearly, that's the reason why you can't be a proper leader.
You are not a woman.
I think there is too much toxic femininity and toxic non-binarianism in the adjacent Twitter segment of the hobby.
The activists are locusts. They just destroy everything they touch. They lie that this hobby was exclusive and try to make the people who are the core audience of these products out to be backward villains.
Bring back gatekeeping!
People who say it makes you weak when you cry in public care too much about what other people think about them and think other peoples opinions are gonna break them, damn near the definition of fragile. I know mfers that cry in public and can break someone's face right after. Its literally your own insecurities that makes you so worried about crying in public. Nobody cares if it doesnt stop you from handling business, its just tears, and they don't last forever. People who can't handle their emotions are the ones that can't bounce back from letting them out, because they feel a loss of control over themselves. I imagine both guys in this video are like that, and that sucks, but don't cast that insecurity on other people just cuz its a make or break issue for yourself, for other people expressing emotions is not as big a deal as it doesn't cause them to lose control of theirself. If whatever game bro played caused him to cry, he probably just chose to let it out as he felt immersed in the game. But if he sat there and recorded it for views, then that would be disgusting.
Everyone reading this now thinks you were crying while you wrote it.
@@blacklodgegames soggy keyboard and everything.
Yeah , was about to ask, am I the only person who kind of just watches Critical role cuz it's funny and has talented voice actors doing goofy voices? I don't want to sound mean, but if you are finding meaning in Critical Role... well... you need help a, and b, there's some serious reading you ought to do friend :D
Bruh, you have never read a book in your life, how are you telling people they need to do reading?
The WotC commercial was...Was...I...I. just don't know what to even say...it was hilarious though, that's for sure
Oh.
Happy to have found this video/channel,
5 years ago i started for the first time in my life to be interested in D&D (im 30) . I discovered Critical Role first, watch hundreds of hours of it . Mostly enjoyed it since i didnt know any better. But, there was an obvious vibe at critical role and "geek and sundry" with their presentation. It was so Californian hippie mixed with rainbow hair leftist energy. It was soooo annoying and frankly dissapointing for me. There was even a moment in 2016 when Donald Trump was elected that Mathiew Mercer opened the show by saying something like " Guys i know we live terrible times lately, but we have to believe in happiness. " some dumb shit like this i was so pissed. (not exaclty his words)
But thats exactly at the same time that D&D got massively more mainstream popular (2016) with Stranger things Etc. A lot of new people started playing. So Critical Role got a golden age of popularity. Their community almost became the primary community and big PR marketing image of Dungeons and Dragons( like it or not ). They started to have a major footprint on the identity of D&D. And the image that they portray is a very bubbly smiling woke universe. At that moment i think thats when things started to shift because the community/image of D&D was changing....and wizards of the coast followed. Lets not forget the rest of the entire entertainment industry going woke too. its not just D&D.
I liked watching Critical Role for hundreds of hours but i cant deny that its because of them and Geek and sundry marketing image that we have problems today.
The problem is, these people take great story moments such as rejecting an evil master or sacrificing your personal desires to save the world that should be remembered well and turn them into mewling morality plays for evil and weakness.
100% true and based
Unfathomably Based title.
Ok, I was confliced the entire video until 58:12, badass indeed.
I don’t think it’s disgusting as you say but it does feel like loser talk which just makes me feel bad for anyone who has been misled by this crap. I’m not saying loser to be a bully, I’m just saying it realistically. This kind of mindset will not get you anywhere and it makes me sad to see so many people being affirmed when that affirmation will only lead to them getting softer and accomplishing less in life. Just not a good mindset IMO.
Games and art should be aspirational not affirmative.
@@blacklodgegames Says who?
I want to agree with a lot of what you say and frankly I actually stopped watching Jay as a result of this string of these videos because I just completely disagreed with his analysis.
But you seem to take the stance that if it's not "my" way, it's a blight. I noticed it in your video on the Obscura ruleset and the Safety Tool video(which I'm still unsure wasn't at least partially satire XP) and it's disconcerting to hear.
I'm so sick of the Us vs Them mentality that seems to be so prevalent right now and so frustrating for me to hear so much from you that I nod my head and say "all right, those are good points" then watch those points become nearly moot when the inevitable damnation comes to call.
All that to say this:
Games and Art can be aspirational. They can also be affirmative. They can be scathing. They can be depressing. They can be ANYTHING.
And they will still be games, still be art. And I think it's a great disservice to those who look to us for wisdom to just handwave and discount someone or something simply because you don't agree or like them.
Maybe it's not for you. Maybe it's flawed but that doesn't change what it is or what it "should" be and your disapproval of them doesn't negate their merit.
Yeah.... that's why so many people start getting more and more successful with this mindset.
That's why these guys are completely irrelevant on youtube and the guy they're mocking is WAAAY more accomplished.
You really need to go watch Critical Role. That scene on that episode was pretty much how he told it.
Nice try Matt Mercer
Man, you guys are spot on. Once again you are correct. I can't stop watching your videos. Fantastic work. Thank you.
fun lore about JoCat (that anime singing guy) he participated in attacking content creators for playing the hogwarts game.
cut to last year and the same people he rolls with attacked him for making an "I like girls song"
the internet is a better place without JoCat.
Wow did not know that.
A tale as old as time: play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
False, I dont like him but 3 hours after he posted about hogwarts he did clarify in a followup post.
They literally didn't, but sure, if that fits with your agenda.
Kevin Samuels died last year
I wonder how many poor "mids" became homeless when his housing estate closed
cause you know he seems like the kind of guy that would have had one of those Thomas Saul style housing estates LOL
PS this is coming from an old joke if you get it you get it If you don't you won't
When someone uses the phrase "a good man" unironically, I just roll my eyes and walk away.
So... you walked away from this video?
It's clear that wotc is catering to the Tumblr crowd
Absolutely. Broken millennials
Imagine if they had the minimum context about JoCat's work and influence, or even better, the reason for his retirement
Imagine if you realized this video was made months before any of the drama happened
@@blacklodgegames More than 3 years ago when the crap guide to D&D was made? Doubt.
Even so, most of the video is based on a fake premisse, that WOTC is now making crap paint art at 4FPS instead of its epic pictures from the past to illustrate its products, completely false. The art has changed, yes, but JoCat has little to nothing to do with it, it was just a coop made by the company with a random dude on the internet that has drawn a lot of sucess.
It is the equivalent of you guys getting in a podcast with Wizards team and then someone makes a video saying "Oh, back in my day they made interviews with real writers, now the company has money to make a documentary about the hobby, but what do they do? They podcast with a bunch of randoms" (while completely ignore Baldur's Gate, Honor among Thieves, D&D Beyond and the various others professional efforts the company is and has done, even if not directly).
I agree with you that this woke "not offensive" idea is garbage, you guys nailed it to perfection in the new VTMs video, but your critic about JoCat in specific was WAY off the point.
Haha stay mad loser
The WOTC musical is even funnier in hindsight now that jocat (the cat boy man) has been driven off the internet by the very audience he and wizards were supposedly courting with that, uh, "advertisement."
And they cancelled him for liking chicks, literally the most normal thing about him.
@@blacklodgegames when I heard about all of this I laughed so hard. Good riddance.
live by the sword, die by the sword
@@nicolascamargo4514 More like: "You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas."
Except that he got cancelled by YOUR kind.
Gatekeeping that which you love is a Virtue.
and a Highly masculine trait.
don't allow anyone to tell you otherwise.
Alright. We'll gatekeep DnD then.
Get out.
WotC sucks. Has sucked for a long time.
True, they do. Mainly because they're capitalistic, greedy moneygrabbers
Thought this was a pretty good parody at first, then I realised you were dead serious 😂 “boohoo someone else is playing my game wrong.” I understand the cognitive dissonance when someone gets attention for something you don’t like, but man grow up. Can’t you see that you’re the ones projecting your own insecurities?
Critical Role? More like Critical Bore.
I don't acknowledge any male who can't bench more than 225.
A man of culture!
I don't acknowledge any male who can't bench more than 400.
You think these 2 bench lol
@@squali1930 Exactly
The Exhaultation of weakness and victimhood. this very much is the root of the issue of this idealology.
hahahahahahah Agreed :)
glad to see more people supporting trans rights! non-men should be allowed to take hrt to embrace their true identities :) keep up the great work ladies!
I'm running a DnD game for 3 teeenage girls, they are all playing male characters and since they all clearly have proper male rolemodels in their lives they are playing their male characters as men rather than femanised men.
Ya know, that sentence really doesnt jive well if you think about it.
@@cameronmeyer8192 I'm not even sure what they ment by that
This is a very creepy way to talk about teenage girls, you sure someone like you should be alone with them?
@@internetperson3926He absolutely shouldn't, but sadly we can't do anything about it other than hope that those three girls will be alright.
its refreshing to see Roleplaying content like this. Someone stepping up and saying its not only ok, but damright good to embrace what it is to be men in this day and age.
it was players like this that made me stop roleplaying for years. they could not Disassociate themselves from their characters. some of them got creepy in both games and real life. Lots of the younger players i have seen have been introduced into the hobby by critical role. I found it boring to watch. just like watching other roleplaying in front of me. when not playing. but they love it for some reason.
I have a small group of friends that play games and we gatekeep the shit out of the group. we embrace our masculinity and allow the girls to play. one of the guys plays a female only characters or armies in the games we play. and one of the girls plays male characters. wizards of the coast drank the coolaid and embraced mental illness for the money. i do not play any Dungens and dragons past advanced 2nd edition. i do play other systems and I still embrace my masculinity.
I'm always glad to see more people recognize JoCat (the guy behind that animated musical number thing) for the lolcow he is.
Didn't know this person existed until that dnd stream. Levels of cringe that shouldn't even be possible.
Jocat, the cat boy courted people that made him quit youtube cause of all the hate his fans sent him for liking girl. Live by the cussy die by the cussy
This straight up did not happen, but it certainly fits your propaganda.
At first, I thought the WotC video was meant to be a parody.