Oh yeah, for sure. My first reaction is seeing the detail in flight sims, especially DCS. But I also work in VR so that I can have all kinds of stuff around me including spreadsheets. Zero eye strain is a huge benefit. As for Prime, that's a neat trick to essentially "pre-authorize" you for leasing or a loan to afford the equipment. Sell it to you at cost and amortize the profit.
What we really want is 35ppd and wide FOV, but that's the VR1 and a 5090 will have it's hands full driving it well. Larger displays make it easier to make optics that give us wider FOV and are less expensive than designing and building optics for smaller displays to give us that FOV, so the Supers can be less expensive. Unfortunately as we found with the 55ppd XR-4 running at 35ppd, a native 35ppd headset will look sharper than a higher resolution headsets downrezzing. So until the 6090's get here the Supers may not look sharper than the Crystal does. They will have more FOV, brightness and better local dimming which will give them an edge. Also if the XR-4 ran great without Anti aliasing at 55ppd that would support their claims that we have enough power for them now. So far I haven't seen where that is the case with the XR-4. Has anyone heard differently? So we don't need the resolution, but it comes for the ride with the larger sensor. We just won't be able to really take advantage of until the 6090 gets here.
Pimax saw Immersed Visor's monthly payment options and thought "Let's do that, We can cast the illusion the headset is cheaper than the extortionate prices we ask for".
And the truth is, they don't need to do that. 1695 USD for a 57PPD 120º HFOV QLED headset is great. So, I am not sure of why they decided to make the Prime, but I hope it helps to improve software, and more importantly, customer service.
@@RichAbe23 What was the big deal on canceling a $1 preorder (which is non-refundable)? I don't think it commits you to actually buying anything. You just lose your $1 preorder cost.
Mark my word, pimax will go down the shitter now that they started with subscriptions. I would stay as clear from them as possible with all this "prime" BS
Yeah but they still own us the FOV lens to the original Crystal. I really don’t care what new products they have to offer. I want what they said they will provide to us. Pimax needs to get their game face on, and face that what they said they will provide to clients becomes reality.
VR just needs working software/firmware, I am not buying into a platform that doesn't work as well as another platform let alone the other issues Pimax has, they launch these headsets to mask their other problems into why no one uses their headsets.
They told me I cannot purchase the headset for the full price. "I'm sorry, people can only choose the mode of paying 599 first and then paying the balance, whether it is light or Super from today."
Rokid also announced smart glasses with cameras and AR1, but also having green monochrome displays on both eyes. Price was set to 350$. So might be more interesting that the meta raybans. Depending on the software. But displays give a lot more usability than just audio.
That would be the only true missing piece for me, I only really ask to read messages real quick on my Wayfarers, maybe a maps app HUD. The AI gimmick is mostly pointless to me except for rare text translations. The selling point that has made my glasses essential is replacing my earbuds and phone camera. Especially when driving or otherwise have my hands full. The glasses are simply too convenient, EXCEPT for reading texts, then no need for the watch. Message readback interrupts conversations. Would rarely need to dig my phone out of my pocket again when the Glasses become the interface peripheral for 90% of use cases. And I'm ok with the phone becoming mostly a compute puck and cell network signal processing antenna for the shades.
Too man lies coming from Pimax. They come out with new models of headsets faster than they can keep up with the repairs of their old ones that they’ve already sold that are still in warranty. They also never keep their promises from older models like the crystal. They just move onto another headset and never keep their promises. (Widefield of view lenses) paid for a year and a half ago and still have not heard or seen anything about them. It’s like they just got forgotten into the abyss like their other lies. But they got my money. I’m still waiting. Everything goes to a back burner and their tech-support is horrible. Talk about kicking the can down the road. I’m tired of it. I was really excited for Pimax years ago and they’ve done a great job getting my money, but they’ve done a terrible job taking care of me as a customer. Buyer beware, they lie and they do not keep their ADVERTISED promises. Your headset won’t last.
Crystal Super is very tempting at that price point. I understand why they're doing the whole Prime thing, I just wish during the presentation they just flat out said what it is. "We need to pay more staff if you want good customer support. It was either this, or raising the price of headsets. At least this way, we're giving you the choice."
I think companies like subscription type services because it gives them a more predictable income stream. Because they are actually making less by doing this, its 10% cheaper and they loose on inflation.
Something not talked about in these reviews, which would be a deal-breaker for me: What is the MTBF of this headset? I couldn't care less about the spectacular specifications if it starts to malfunction or dies in a relatively short period of time.
They said the upscaling option will be a thing. It has been applied to Crystal Light and doesn't look too bad. So people without top of the line GPUs should still be able to have a decent image quality. And with such a high resolution and pixel density even downsampled image should look great.
@@yossefphilosoph7715 thank you for your answer. Do you know is the 50ppd with the 135fov is more heavy to run? Or is the same as 57ppd 120fov? The game I am thinking about is the MSFS2024.
@@ricardograde5134 ppd and fov they are not hardware dependent. if you go with higher fov you will get lower ppd = lower pixel density = lover image quality if you go with higher ppd you need to choose a lower fov. for flight sims big fov is must for a more realistic experience. pimax crystal super provide image with a huge 29 milion pixels so the image quality will not reduced if you go with higher fov.
@@ricardograde5134 For flight sim its better big fov for a more realistic experience. Generally, big fov decrease the ppd (pixel density / image quality) in low resulation headsets. Pimax super provide high resulation of 29 milion pixels so big fov will not decrease the image quality.
Maybe too big for roomscale gaming etc for which i highly prefer headsets as small as possible but for seated gaming like sims etc this is probably the best headset
Man, seriously? No comment on the whole "active pixels" thing? A VR company came up with a totally new, completely unheard-of metric that is extremely consequential and not a word on it?
Really need to see fov increase significantly before I invest in a new headset - 100 degrees is last gen goggle effect lol - why are we going backwards when pimax was noted for the best fov headsets ?
Windows as an OS is terrible as a whole no matter which device it is running on. If only other OS have support, I will never use Windows ever again given it started getting worse after Windows 7
no thanks mate pimax is a joke of a company and all there stuff is expensive and feels cheap there QC is horrible and if its the same lenses as on the crystal no thanks the chromatic aberration was horrible. there hmds are always bulky and uncomfortable aswell. i gave them the benifit of the doubt a few times but always let down and got rid of the device
I preordered a Pimax Super OLED with pancake lens a few months ago. After watching the Pimax update, including their take on pancake lens, I'm starting to wonder if this is ever going to be released. Time will tell I guess. After recently returning my PCL for a refund (bought from my local Amazon Store thank goodness) due to aspheric lens distortion (plus CA), and not wanting to enter the Pimax lens lottery, I'm not keen on the Supe QLED with their promise of new and improved aspheric lens. Also, the Pimax Prime plan sounds a bit fishy, to me anyway. If users cannot afford to pay for their headsets up front, then they probably cannot afford a high end PC to run it imho. Their upcoming wireless option can only be used with the original Crystal so I don't see the point of this.
Pimax Crystal Super is nice but here's things I don't like about it: 1. DP 1.4 instead of 2.1 2. Still uses same design than a new weight saving design (although 815g is nice improvement) 3. They should went for 135FOV as standard, market in need for such a thing 4. Passthrough The price to be honest is great considering what you get, so no complaints there, now all we need is that it lives up to expectations
@directorscut4707 that's extra module which I believe should have came standard as I mentioned not as additional, to differentiate it even more than regular Crystal
Its interesting that there has been no mention about passthrough for the Super. While they did at least plan to release it for the Crystal. Maybe there is simply not enough USB bandwidth after that tracking cameras for passthrough cameras. Or it is just too big of a software development hurdle.
@@TRX25EX Once its available you most likely can choose on purchase, but it think it might be a slight compromise in overall image quality. That the 57PPD is the optimal, and after that its pushing it. Meaning probably more CA, less overlap etc.
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I'm not sure what to think about Pimax prime, but the headset looks sick. Do we really need that much resolution tho?
I'd take one for free but I damn sure wouldn't spend money on Pimax promises, lol.
Oh yeah, for sure. My first reaction is seeing the detail in flight sims, especially DCS. But I also work in VR so that I can have all kinds of stuff around me including spreadsheets. Zero eye strain is a huge benefit.
As for Prime, that's a neat trick to essentially "pre-authorize" you for leasing or a loan to afford the equipment. Sell it to you at cost and amortize the profit.
What we really want is 35ppd and wide FOV, but that's the VR1 and a 5090 will have it's hands full driving it well.
Larger displays make it easier to make optics that give us wider FOV and are less expensive than designing and building optics for smaller displays to give us that FOV, so the Supers can be less expensive.
Unfortunately as we found with the 55ppd XR-4 running at 35ppd, a native 35ppd headset will look sharper than a higher resolution headsets downrezzing. So until the 6090's get here the Supers may not look sharper than the Crystal does. They will have more FOV, brightness and better local dimming which will give them an edge. Also if the XR-4 ran great without Anti aliasing at 55ppd that would support their claims that we have enough power for them now. So far I haven't seen where that is the case with the XR-4. Has anyone heard differently?
So we don't need the resolution, but it comes for the ride with the larger sensor. We just won't be able to really take advantage of until the 6090 gets here.
@@markkovalcson7243 Agreed, 35 pp across a 140 FOV device would be sweet.
I am mostly interested in the higher number of zones and the difference it makes on blacks quality.
Pimax saw Immersed Visor's monthly payment options and thought "Let's do that, We can cast the illusion the headset is cheaper than the extortionate prices we ask for".
And the truth is, they don't need to do that. 1695 USD for a 57PPD 120º HFOV QLED headset is great. So, I am not sure of why they decided to make the Prime, but I hope it helps to improve software, and more importantly, customer service.
Pimax is a very risky choise: the customer service is absolutely not reliable!
Even canceling a preorder was a terrible experience. Def not going with primax in the future.
@@RichAbe23 What was the big deal on canceling a $1 preorder (which is non-refundable)? I don't think it commits you to actually buying anything. You just lose your $1 preorder cost.
for me the most horrible experience is the quality management of Pimax
Today I watched a video with receipts about how horrendous Pixma’s quality and customer support are
Let me guess GYOG?
how is pimax still afloat
Mark my word, pimax will go down the shitter now that they started with subscriptions. I would stay as clear from them as possible with all this "prime" BS
Pre-ordered the Pimax Crystal Super OLED months ago. the specs of that headset are a game changer for PCVR. Can't wait to get my hands on it.
I feel like the tech is progressing faster than the content on vr
What's next promise after the Super? The uber super duper?! It will also have a neural link implant and be able to make you have telepathy???😂😂😂
Yeah but they still own us the FOV lens to the original Crystal. I really don’t care what new products they have to offer. I want what they said they will provide to us.
Pimax needs to get their game face on, and face that what they said they will provide to clients becomes reality.
VR just needs working software/firmware, I am not buying into a platform that doesn't work as well as another platform let alone the other issues Pimax has, they launch these headsets to mask their other problems into why no one uses their headsets.
They told me I cannot purchase the headset for the full price. "I'm sorry, people can only choose the mode of paying 599 first and then paying the balance, whether it is light or Super from today."
Rokid also announced smart glasses with cameras and AR1, but also having green monochrome displays on both eyes. Price was set to 350$. So might be more interesting that the meta raybans. Depending on the software. But displays give a lot more usability than just audio.
That would be the only true missing piece for me, I only really ask to read messages real quick on my Wayfarers, maybe a maps app HUD. The AI gimmick is mostly pointless to me except for rare text translations. The selling point that has made my glasses essential is replacing my earbuds and phone camera. Especially when driving or otherwise have my hands full. The glasses are simply too convenient, EXCEPT for reading texts, then no need for the watch. Message readback interrupts conversations.
Would rarely need to dig my phone out of my pocket again when the Glasses become the interface peripheral for 90% of use cases. And I'm ok with the phone becoming mostly a compute puck and cell network signal processing antenna for the shades.
after everything i have heard about the customer service of pimax no way i would spend upwards of 2k for this
Too man lies coming from Pimax. They come out with new models of headsets faster than they can keep up with the repairs of their old ones that they’ve already sold that are still in warranty. They also never keep their promises from older models like the crystal. They just move onto another headset and never keep their promises. (Widefield of view lenses) paid for a year and a half ago and still have not heard or seen anything about them. It’s like they just got forgotten into the abyss like their other lies. But they got my money. I’m still waiting.
Everything goes to a back burner and their tech-support is horrible. Talk about kicking the can down the road. I’m tired of it. I was really excited for Pimax years ago and they’ve done a great job getting my money, but they’ve done a terrible job taking care of me as a customer. Buyer beware, they lie and they do not keep their ADVERTISED promises. Your headset won’t last.
Crystal Super is very tempting at that price point. I understand why they're doing the whole Prime thing, I just wish during the presentation they just flat out said what it is. "We need to pay more staff if you want good customer support. It was either this, or raising the price of headsets. At least this way, we're giving you the choice."
I think companies like subscription type services because it gives them a more predictable income stream. Because they are actually making less by doing this, its 10% cheaper and they loose on inflation.
Something not talked about in these reviews, which would be a deal-breaker for me: What is the MTBF of this headset?
I couldn't care less about the spectacular specifications if it starts to malfunction or dies in a relatively short period of time.
What they didn’t talk about was, what computer you need to run all this specs in full resolution…
They said the upscaling option will be a thing. It has been applied to Crystal Light and doesn't look too bad. So people without top of the line GPUs should still be able to have a decent image quality. And with such a high resolution and pixel density even downsampled image should look great.
minimum - cpu i5 12 gen / ryzen 3600x gpu rtx 2070 / 3060
mid - cpu i5 13600k / ryzen 7600x gpu 4070
@@yossefphilosoph7715 thank you for your answer.
Do you know is the 50ppd with the 135fov is more heavy to run?
Or is the same as 57ppd 120fov?
The game I am thinking about is the MSFS2024.
@@ricardograde5134
ppd and fov they are not hardware dependent.
if you go with higher fov you will get lower ppd = lower pixel density = lover image quality
if you go with higher ppd you need to choose a lower fov.
for flight sims big fov is must for a more realistic experience.
pimax crystal super provide image with a huge 29 milion pixels so the image
quality will not reduced if you go with higher fov.
@@ricardograde5134
For flight sim its better big fov for a more realistic experience.
Generally, big fov decrease the ppd (pixel density / image quality) in low resulation headsets.
Pimax super provide high resulation of 29 milion pixels so big fov will not decrease the image quality.
Maybe Meta should pair with Shadow PC?
The problem there is that there's less in it for Meta than there is for Shadow PC. I already use Xbox cloud gaming on my Quest 2.
I wonder how much e-waste they create from canceled/unreleased products
Maybe too big for roomscale gaming etc for which i highly prefer headsets as small as possible but for seated gaming like sims etc this is probably the best headset
Man, seriously? No comment on the whole "active pixels" thing? A VR company came up with a totally new, completely unheard-of metric that is extremely consequential and not a word on it?
Really need to see fov increase significantly before I invest in a new headset - 100 degrees is last gen goggle effect lol - why are we going backwards when pimax was noted for the best fov headsets ?
Windows as an OS built into an HMD sounds freaking terrible...
just trying to copy meta
Windows as an OS is terrible as a whole no matter which device it is running on. If only other OS have support, I will never use Windows ever again given it started getting worse after Windows 7
no thanks mate pimax is a joke of a company and all there stuff is expensive and feels cheap there QC is horrible and if its the same lenses as on the crystal no thanks the chromatic aberration was horrible.
there hmds are always bulky and uncomfortable aswell. i gave them the benifit of the doubt a few times but always let down and got rid of the device
I preordered a Pimax Super OLED with pancake lens a few months ago. After watching the Pimax update, including their take on pancake lens, I'm starting to wonder if this is ever going to be released. Time will tell I guess. After recently returning my PCL for a refund (bought from my local Amazon Store thank goodness) due to aspheric lens distortion (plus CA), and not wanting to enter the Pimax lens lottery, I'm not keen on the Supe QLED with their promise of new and improved aspheric lens.
Also, the Pimax Prime plan sounds a bit fishy, to me anyway. If users cannot afford to pay for their headsets up front, then they probably cannot afford a high end PC to run it imho. Their upcoming wireless option can only be used with the original Crystal so I don't see the point of this.
I hate the customise thing. Cant they stick to something in middle and give user a best fov with decent ppd
Pimax Crystal Super is nice but here's things I don't like about it:
1. DP 1.4 instead of 2.1
2. Still uses same design than a new weight saving design (although 815g is nice improvement)
3. They should went for 135FOV as standard, market in need for such a thing
4. Passthrough
The price to be honest is great considering what you get, so no complaints there, now all we need is that it lives up to expectations
I've read it might have 135 fov
Damm i think they are on DP2.1! 1.4 for Tath resolutiom are bad!
@directorscut4707 that's extra module which I believe should have came standard as I mentioned not as additional, to differentiate it even more than regular Crystal
Its interesting that there has been no mention about passthrough for the Super. While they did at least plan to release it for the Crystal. Maybe there is simply not enough USB bandwidth after that tracking cameras for passthrough cameras. Or it is just too big of a software development hurdle.
@@TRX25EX Once its available you most likely can choose on purchase, but it think it might be a slight compromise in overall image quality. That the 57PPD is the optimal, and after that its pushing it. Meaning probably more CA, less overlap etc.
its 29 million pixels for both screens combined, not per eye
did they fix the tracking? none of this matter if the tracking is trash. if meta can do it. so can they
2:00 IDK I don't see a down side to it except one. If you want to sell it before you pay it off but that can be mitigated.
Pimax is a scam company ! You shouldn't advertise it for VR sanity 🤑
Why scam? I mean, they release all promised products and support it. QA is another thing which has nothing related to scam.
Looks again very front heavy and bulky .
Steam pushed VR under the bus and Pimax has saved it again
You forgot the /s
1st view 1st comment again!
Legend!
just really don’t want China on my face