For reals, what she do magically wake up and say yes then return to a vegetative state? -_- these people sre sick, sounds like they knew about it and did nothing
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@uknow who Well, it is a little too late for that. There is clear negligence on the part of Hacienda - they owed a duty to this young lady for which they breached with no argument against proximate and actual cause as it would be clearly foreseeable that a woman in a vegetative state could be subject to abuse without appropriate oversight and protection. Just apply the Learned Hand Formula B
@ excellent. Grew up around lawyers. Too bad too few of you fight for the rights of the disabled. This kind of thing is as common as lies in Washington DC. Here, in NC, they only help the disabled who are unable to complain. For obvious reasons. I've called in five Federal audits, reported my county for serious criminal corruption and been blacklisted, had my car tampered with and been denied services for my efforts. I'm okay with it. Two women I reported to FBI have been indicted, pled guilty and the fireworks are just getting started. I don't sue.. I call the feds.. Revenge at their hands is far better than money.
i bet all the females in that place got raped by the same patient rapist or a group of them. who knows but one thing for sure it wasnt a one time thing.
This one got noticed cause she got pregnant, now imagine all the cases in which condoms are used, so there is no way to tell if patients were sexually abused.
Sherry Wyllie well a person in a vegetative state may not have menstrual cycles. We do not have all the patients health records and it is illegal for them to release such things. Now other factors such as stomach growth or changes in hormones levels/ other typical patient checkups like heart rate, blood pressure, and respiratory rate could have made it clear something was going on. But it is clear this woman was raped. And it is also clear that there was a huge failure on the part of the care center. Again we don’t have all the facts.
Sherry Wyllie not everyone stops menstruating during pregnancy, look it up. But it may also be due to staff turnover, there are probably a lot of carers going in and out because of different shift patterns, it's an easy thing to miss when you're caring for 20 other patients and working on a rota
What is just as important is that she has a permanent cathether in place. After an assault , of which there was probably more than one, a non-medical professional as well as professional would have to know how to make sure it is again in place. So it probably wasn't the UPS guy or cleaning crew. A new law law just passed here in AZ, families can put cameras in their loved ones rooms but they have to take financial responsibility. Most people couldn't afford it because for long term patients, they are on Medicaid. AHCCS as it is called here in AZ. Everyone is so upset here. I great faith in God but why is he still allowing her to suffer like this.
Sherry Wyllie they probably didn't even bathe her because ethey know she can't speak.. most nurses are lazy . Karma will get them pray justice n worldpeace
Something else I find extremely disturbing is the fact that she wasn’t in a coma, just a “vegetative state.“ Now I’m not sure how conscious mentally she was of everything going on around her but this implies that she was at least awake while being raped. Also, since she was in this condition, that means she was probably in labor for several days because she couldn’t help push the baby out like a woman who had full mobility. Since she had no way to communicate, she was probably in excruciating pain suffering for days until right before she gave birth when they realized.
Klara Svetland vegetative state means she was brain dead. There was no brain activity. So it seems she was on life support but I can’t imagine why her family would continue the life support.
Matt _ccw It is if you are brain dead and there is no hope for you to recover. I would want my family to disconnect me and let me die with dignity. This case is why people should have a Living Will in order for the family to know your wishes if you should ever be in this tragic position.
A a retired nurse from Phoenix this place has always had major issues. Deplorable tragic. The owner and CEO needs to go to prison. The family needs to sue.
The press stated that 14yrs ago someone attempted to drown the woman and she went straight into a coma. She had no ID on her, so noone knew who she was and could neither get in contact with family members. So technically she's been alone, with neglecful staff the entire time .
@@OkashiiAmerican yeh it seems like the baby would be placed into care. But there also seems to be so many gaps in the story esp since the hospital/police don't seem to be releasing a lot of info or any updates to the story. Last time I heard the hospital said, they 'might do DNA testing', what's this might!? I initially heard this story around Xmas time and seen zero updates to the story.
@@alexthompson8434 Rape is neither love not lust! Rape is a violent crime; a crime of a man's power over a woman. It has little to do with sex, and everything to do with the physical ability to make an unwilling partner do what you want them to do. Rape is power and violence, not lust!!!
William Cunningham Wow, I didn’t even think of that. And considering that they didn’t even know she was pregnant, they probably didn’t keep thorough accounts of visitors. So there’s a chance that the culprit could be very hard to find, if at all...🤢
That’s exactly what I was thinking. It is mostly women that work in those facility. My guess that is that it’s probably a family member, friend, or a patient in the facility
Mr, William C, can I just say Mr Will🙂😃👏🏾 👏🏾👏🏾 Now you just flipped the switch it's on now, You've Got an excellent point. . I'm done. BUT it doesn't excuse the fact they dont have no cameras around. They Cheap, They just taking the money. No darn camera surveillance...
They knew. They were trying to cover it up. She would have still had a menstrual cycle. That would have been missed. Along with so many other pregnancy signs. Like a moving belly with a baby in it!!!!
@Tony Black I'm aware some women bleed during pregnancy but I find it hard to believe there were no symptoms at all. Women who didn't know they were pregnant learn by going to a doctor, she was surrounded by them the entire time. Wouldn't she be on a monitor or something?
hyou zan ren that’s why the CEO/new president immediately resigned. Smart man. But yes, we the people need to sue those b*** left and right, all of them!
@@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim It does not alleviate him from being named in a Joint and Several Liability lawsuit, just because he quit. The idea of J&S Liability lawsuits is to go after the deepest pocket. In this case that would be Hacienda and its parent company. The CEO may be removed, but it could be argued that he should also be held responsible for at least a portion of any judgement awarded and that would fall under comparative negligence. I think most states have done away with contributory negligence. .My personal opinion is that if there is a civil judgement, he should be held accountable along with his employer and parent company and allocated liability based on percentage. That is after they satisfy that he may not be the subject of a criminal filing in the case of this young lady.
@ oh, certainly. Thank you for elucidating your point! However, at least this won't be his mess to manage going forward. The new CEO is going to have his/her hands full and will go down with this sinking ship. Imagine looking for new employment with your name attached to such a disaster...
@ I'm still shaking my head at this...we're supposed to be a first world country, how is this happening...and not isolated incidents, either... They should've hired you and I as CEOs like, way back in 2016. Your loss, Hacienda! This brings me back to the CEO of Volkswagen resigning right after the emissions drama...welp, he's been indicted with conspiracy to rig the diesel vehicles. Good job, government! There should be a law against CEO's "stepping" down as soon as issues arise. If your doctor cuts off the wrong leg, s/he can't just say- I'm going to step down from this here hospital, maybe see ya in my next out-of-state clinic! Hmmm, or sexually depraved clergy, for that matter....
TBH them people families really don't want the responsibility nursing always have a bad rep that why the government pay family members to take care of them and sometimes still get neglected I know a young women that lives on my block her son had a fatel illnesses she took care of until he died he couldn't speak , eat on his own and wore diapers my point is if I had achild with a disability he or she wouldn't leave my side unless the hospital is their home and even then I'm there I know how hard life can be and it's even more scary if you can't defend yourself I think god honor me to have children and I will do my best to love and protect my gifts
Jucko gel : May God bring swift judgement to everyone of them who did know and did nothing ..... to stop the on going assaults ! His judgments come on them I pray !!!!!
@W.A.M.P "I had no idea I was pregnant until I went into labor" is a myth made up to conceal pregnancy from relatives, get attention or get into a reality/talk shows etc. Pregnant belly doesn't look the same as just a fat belly, later in the pregnancy there is movement which is impossible not to notice, there are feet/hands poking you from the inside which you both feel and see. And of course, you dont have your period for 9 months, which it is impossible for any normal woman not to notice/ignore. For these and countless other reasons, your cousins wife's story is BS. Also, any nursing staff or doctor who presumably sometimes examines these patients and who cannot tell that a woman is pregnant, has no place working in a medical/nursing facility. But of course some of these people knew the girl was pregnant, this was just a conspiracy of silence and concealing the scandal for as long as possible.
Perfumed Bed my sister in law is morbidly obese, she was pregnant a few years ago, no one will tell, her belly stayed the same size right until delivery. My niece was 5lbs at birth, she is healthy.
Agreed. My wife used to work as a CNA in nursing homes/psychiatric hospitals and she literally spoke of knowing only one lady who visited her mother every day. My wife's exact words: "She was an Angel. " More often than not poor unfortunate patients/residents were dumped off and the facility only had contact with the family after they died. Edit: Actually their was a couple more people that visited their loved ones every day. However, they were the exception. ✌
Ikr.. at that point it should have been condemned. Unfortunately I don’t think some of its patients had that choice to pick another place. I’ve been to some nursing homes. It’s like a living death. No way to treat human being like that at all. It’s truly shameful :(
Nursing homes are for profit and in my experience there are usually only two CNAs for up to 30+ patients. It's impossible to keep an eye on everyone all the time. I will never let one of my family members go to a nursing home because of the horror that I have already witnessed.
Exactly. Her FAMILY decided to keep her vegetative and put her in that place. Did they not check on her or do any care for her? How did her family not notice if anything was happening? I am a child sexual abuse survivor and I am always prepared for the what if's because I know it can happen. The silver lining, in a sick and twisted way, is that the family gets a piece of their daughter back in the form of a child. The scary part is they don't know yet who raped her and what else or who else is in that child she bore. If she wasn't raped she could've died without her genes ever living on. So sad. If that was my family member then I would've brought them home. If I couldn't bring them home then I would've regulated that staff, background checked everyone, daily visits and reports, daily cleaning, I would do my own physical examination to see if any changes or any unusal going on. I also would've set up my own damn camera or even a voice recording device.
@@scarletradiopodcast I get that because I only gained 5 lbs for my 2nd child ,people who didn't know me had no idea I was pregnant ! but Ive worked in long term care facilities for over 20 years now and involved families notice every little change in loved ones health !Even if she didn't start to show till month 6or 7 that still gave the family 2 to 3 months to notice !
@@leadingman9322 Okay. Googled it. Read it. This is a particularly comical passage, "..It also creates several programs to control fraud and abuse within the health-care system."
But now we got boarder killers coming we have our own terrorist attack murders and rapers here in America but the trump and his supporters are worrying over families trying to escape natural disasters.
The Question is, "why did not the staff noticed during baths or nursing assessment?" I wonder if they bathe her! This deserves law suit and shut down. No cameras show the administration did not care enough!
@@RavishingBeyond It's evil to give yourself permission to abuse someone body unknowingly to them. She was in a COMA... That's evil in my eyes to even have a thought to harm someone for your selfish reasons just nasty .
In my experience most people who work in nursing homes aren't all that bright. I've been in the medical field for 13 years and half the caregivers ive seen are straight up trashy people. The other half are loving and caring but eventually get burned out.
Some of the people who have family there said they do want to move them somewhere else, but there are not many places like that in their area that are taking patients that age.
They are Native Americans and the government was paying for her health care. Perhaps the family could not afford to pay anything on their own. It’s not their fault this facility was negligent. It’s also very difficult to get into a good facility that is paid for through Medicaid/Medicare. I feel bad for any family that has one of their loved ones in that disgusting place.
@Eddie Bacon regardless of a belief in God the baby still has a chance at life. Life definitely has its hardships but they could end up in a loving home.
This is horrible!! Some one was taking advantage of a woman that was unconscious for over a decade!! RAPE CHARGES NEED TO BE PRESSED !! DNA will find out who the man is that did this !! They need to shut the place down !! God bless this woman and baby !!
DNA of every male that has set foot in the building including patients over the last 9 months is impossible to obtain. It's also unconstitutional. If I visited a loved one inside that building 9 months ago it's absurd to think that I should be forced to go somewhere and give my blood and or sylvia. Do you think that every single male that mowed the lawn or filled a coke machine there one time in 9 months should have to hand over their DNA? That is an egregiously poor idea.
They may not have noticed because she may not have shown as much since she's not physically active the womb will be pressed further in the back instead of descending and it may have looked more like bloating which will happen often when intake is only fluids or macrobiotic puree. I can understand THAT part, what I don't understand is the fact it wasn't noticed she had stopped menstruation considering that is something supposed to be charted in her file, or why blood work was not ran for the better part of a year. The hormone would have been noticed in ANY lab work, you don't have to test specifically for it like mononeucleosis. Routine blood work not being done on someone with constant iv or GI tube or even a catheter is against regulation, early detection of infection or reaction being the reason for this. Everything is supposed to be tracked, fluid intake, how much urine produced and yes, every menstrual cycle is supposed to be tracked. I would be looking at the physician ... I'm sure she is seen by one routinely. Where's the blood work? Where's the cna charts. Shut this place down.
This makes me so ANGRY!!! The nurses and doctors who took on that patient during that time period should should lose their license. If they were doing their job right they would defiantly have noticed that something was wrong with her when doing their patient assessment at the begging of their shift!!!!
IT DOES NOT MATTER if they missed it. What a hateful comment. So, people without family get what they deserve? Are you a immigrant nurse here to punish Americans or are you just stupid.
CINDY GOLDMAN what a hateful comment! I don’t think she meant it in a bad way. Of course EVERYONE deserves love, that goes unspoken! But your ignorant comment was clearly made to be hateful.
@@38NDY you're ridiculous! You made all those STUPID assumptions from a question. It is bizarre that the family didn't notice, that doesn't mean she deserved to be sexually assaulted you fool.
They weren't around much from other reports. And tbh she's smiling and sitting up in those pics so she wasn't vegetative . Vegetative means not responding or mobile. She looked alert and responsive to me in those pics.
@@kristingallo2158 They started talking about another concerned mother and patient there... The pics were of them. The victim and victim's family was not named or shown in this video. You need to listen and rewatch the video.
This is horrible and I feel so sorry for the baby....basically born an orphan....and so much of what happens to you or how you feel while pregnant can affect the child....I pray they grow up in a very loving household.
This is absolutely horrible......The real question is... if the family really was concerned, how come she went the whole 9 months without even them noticing was pregnant?.... No one came to visit her between that 9 month period?.......That woman was failed by her family and the homes staff as well
I know of a woman who came out of a vegetative state after several years, with all her faculties, so I'm not saying it's time to pull the plug. DNA test every guy who has worked there in the past 9 months and when you find him send him to prison for the rest of his life. PA one star? SHUT THEM DOWN!
GR EAT what's happening to them now, dolt? The problem is the owners, likely a greedy corporation, and most of the places are like that due to inadequate government oversight.
Ravishing Beast it would go like "you were raped by a random man, possibly several times. And your birthed a child" that is horrible traumatizing conversation.
Devastating doesn't even cover it! But now I'm curious about how many more people have been raped and how many more women are pregnant?! I have a feeling this woman isn't the only one!
Unless the patient is overweight I can't possibly see how everyone missed the pregnancy. Still, you can tell when a woman is pregnant regardless of her weight. Sounds like the family rarely visited and the staff is just saying they didn't know.
I work with adults with various degrees of mental and physical disabilities that require 24/7 care and or supervision ...and even some who are completely non verbal ( literally won't make a sound ..not even a wimper ) ..I have been honored and blessed to assist them with there day to day activities and living the best life they can ... The ladies who are in a state like this lady ..they may be unable to communicate but that means you will pay close attention to the body language ....you have to be able to determine what there body language is telling you ... And i can promise you someone who looks after and cares for a person like this will notice a change in this persons body language and even changes in the body ( even the slightest sign the belly is growing or any other changes )...I get if they where short staffed ( we are badly) but that still shouldn't matter they should have noticed ...someone had to have noticed ... It's pure laziness or not caring .. someone who can take advantage of someone in her condition is pure evil ...these individuals look to you for guidance and reassurance and there families put so much trust in those who care for there loved one and the individuals put so much trust in you ..there life is in your hands... Who ever can break that level of trust is beyond sick... My heart breaks for her and for her baby it wasn't his fault .. this world has some sick people
So the caregivers didn't wonder why her belly got bigger and that her menstruation ceased? That's professional negligence right there.. maybe one of the nurses was the perpetrator.
They are not all licensed so it can be anyone in that facility. They are not monitored close anywhere in the us certainly not assisted living...a little different but still. ADMINISTRATORS OWNERS MAKE MILLIONS and this is what happens. More than criminal. Now get someone to pay attention. Disabled, elderly, youth, i mean we have so many problems in our country to solve. These places need very tightened resident care standards.
I'm not trying to make excuses but I've heard stories of women who didn't know they were pregnant until they went into labor. It doesn't change the fact that this whole situation is just sickening.
Cynthia Dickerson I actually know someone that happened to. She was overweight and thought she was having intestinal issues. She 40 years old, had never been pregnant and is married. She isn’t someone who would be in denial about it. She is so happy! She found out when she was 9 months and gave birth a week or two later!
Now they need to do a DNA test on the baby. And check it to men working there. Plus she needs to be moved to another facility. There needs to be new management and employees oversight.
The ENTIRE center staff needs to be fired and new staff hired. This situation proves NO ONE is doing their job of caring for the patient. There are so many doctors, nurses, physical therapists, social workers, ect. involved in nursing care, some one should have caught this. Fire them all. SHUT IT DOWN. Period!
The residents only get 1 physical a year just like everyone else unless they are sick. All people who have insurance are only allowed to have 1 physical a year. I only get 1 physical a year. This is normal for everyone.
Is that their policy because it's not like that in all nursing facilities. I know that for a fact. It's also not like she didn't have continuous contact with medical professionals for everything else besides a physical. They should have be more aware.
I worked nursing homes 25 years ago for a few years before going private duty because the abuse of the residents was sickening and the covering up even more sickening...if any employee would try to report it they were terminated...I know this because I was terminated in TWO facilities for trying to report abuse...one being rape of an elderly woman who had a stroke and couldn’t verbalize her assault...it was HEARTBREAKING!!! Aides are paid peanuts so it is many drug addicts and criminals taking care of our elderly because there are no background checks...they don’t care whose taking care of your family members as long as there’s enough staff on a shift that is required by law...SMH.
Sharon W You are so right about some of these places maybe hiring drug addicts and criminals!!! I've witnessed for myself some of these facilities that had questionable employees working there. SMH Just disgusting!!!
That he is innocent of his biological father's sin. That he is a spirit son of God, with as much right to happiness and potential for good works as the next person.
It was the night maintenance guy or a male nurse who worked at night. Thats the only people that would have the time opportunity to do it. At night there aren't visitors, just a couple nurses who aren't going to be able to check in and everybody is asleep.
Wrong. Could very well have been a male patient too. If they didn't even notice that the lady was pregnant do you think they're keeping a close watch on her?
@heygirlhey504 All this speculation is starting to feel like a game of clue. All this speculation is fun. I cant wait till we find out who did it. This like a mystery novel.
I think about when that poor child grows up , and how he's going to feel when he finds out how he came into this world.......what a cruel world we live in.
Why would you put a family member in a nursing home that has a "one" star rating? Years ago, my sister had a brain aneurysm and she was discharged from the hospital and sent to a nursing home in our city called Heartland Health Care. The minute you entered the building you could smell feces, vomit, etc. Most of the workers sat around the desk at each station, acting as if they were just holding down the chair they were sitting in and of course didn't want to do anything for OR with the patients. My sister & I never left our older sisters side, there was one of us their every day, changing her diapers, bathing her, and the damn staff sat around watching us and not doing a thing. Sorry, but if you have your loved on in a facility that has a "one" star rating, and you haven't complained(???) SHAME on you. I am a retired RN, so I know how patients should be taken care of....this is disgusting. This woman is raped in a nursing home and couldn't do anything and NO one noticed she was pregnant? Right....there's some lying going on around that facility now isn't there. BTW, We complained to the local officials and kept complaining all the senators, representatives, etc. in our state. We did get the nursing home to STOP treating patients in our area and I realize that this nursing facility just probably went on to do these horrible acts to someone else. You have the power as relatives to make a difference for your loved ones when placed in these disgusting nursing facilities. Why not forgo going out to dinner once in a while and write or call the powers that be in your state and area about this? Nothing can be done until someone STEPS up.!
Sounds like you have the experience, the credentials, the passion! Maybe God has called you to be a voice for others who are lost or don't have the nursing and medical you have to be an advocate! I'm caring for my parents at home now and have considered getting my CNA just to be another set of eyes and ears in a home who had basic morals. I've been lost in my career for a while now and just quit my job tethered to a desk in a hospital call center to take care of them. I never understood the real need there until just lately. Good luck to you!
some people cant afford care for loved ones so they either get a government referral which pays for the cheapest car or they choose the cheapest car. remember 14 years for paying basically a mortgage.
holiday 2406 I agree don’t leave your family alone . This poor girl probably was raped numerous times just laying there unable to do a thing . Bottom line it is the family’s that should be protecting their loved ones .
This is why my disabled brother will live with me when my parents pass on. He would have no idea how to verbalize if anything was going on. This story brings it to a whole new level of depravity. Truly horrifying 😞
you and my older sister would both get along great because she told the same thing towards me and if your wonder yes am disabled too i also have a brother as well who's disabled and this makes me sick
@Goody two shoes you are right. I didnt mean to compare my brother to this victim. Either way, if someone can't communicate they can't communicate. Regardless of the level of medical care needed. Sometimes my brother's behavioral needs are, I think, more time and energy consuming than physical needs.
i have so many questions? Firstly, how can you not tell a patient is pregnant? You would see her belly growing, urine would be more frequent....WTF Secondly, are there any actual Nurses or Doctors there? Thirdly, why dont you do background checks! Fourthly, whose going to take the child, and care for it? Fifthly, I would do DNA tests on every man who worked there, this was likely and inside job.
mizzmolly Do you really think not one person realize that she was pregnant? Even if she's in a vegative state wasn't she still having her period? I believe that she is only 29 yrs old HOW could everybody have missed you?
mizzmolly She had to have been having her period for her to be able to get pregnant. And nobody noticed for 9 months? Come on now?! As a news person what's ur opinion?
My mother worked as a state employee overseeing nursing homes and she said women in these facilities are often treated for stds when there was no way they could consent all time. It's crazy common if you have loved ones in care check on them often, make sure your attend Dr appointments, and keep an eye on then like you would a small child.
Kandice Gabriel It was l probably one of the staff members, They're trying to Survive and not get shut down. They know they messed up and hired a sick individual now they trying to cover it up.
This is one of the reasons that family needs to be more involved. Putting your family member into a facility and thinking some strangers are going to take good care of them is not very intelligent. Even home care family members need to stay on guard. Too many crazy demented people out there.
Possible sexual assault!!!😡😡😡 IT WAS RAPE!! how in the world would she be pregnant!!! It infuriates me, a person who can’t defends them self. Just imagine what that poor woman went through. Now, how on earth no one notice her mid section growing? Hasn’t she bathed, fed daily? How about her family? Does she any? If so, they never visited her? It’s beyond belief!! What’s more horrific is she isn’t the only one, there are more!!
I don’t care about noticing her bump, how about routine checks, urine, blood, blood pressure, heartbeat, weight, there are so many signs that a 24/7 care nurses would have noticed. Some serious foul play
Victoria Welch She was Raped and victimized, by one of the staff members that was fantasizing about having sex with her everytime he passed the room. It could have even been the maintenance man.. it had to be one of the two.
In my opinion. Two possibilities. This place is so negligent that a woman carried to full term without their knowledge OR the workers are/were protecting someone.
@@sparkleshinecool It happens, especially with overweight mothers. But these people are professionals, not medically uninformed individuals with irregular periods and steady weight, but medical caregivers supposedly watching her situation. What else have they "missed" with patients?!?
THIS IS THE SADDEST STORY IVE HEARD IN A LONG TIME.WTF THEY HAVE GOT TO FIND THE MAN WHO DID THIS AND PUT HIM AWAY FOR LIFE.THIS KIND OF STUFF CAN NOT GO BYPASSED.
Oh please ...as a trained female nurse you would have known if another woman was pregnant or not ..especially if you are changing her ,and bathing her , and her period stopped and running tests on her everyday
I've Always Felt That It's An Bad Idea To Allow Male Caregivers or CNA's To Bath, Wash, or Change Female Patients ! Somebody Should've Noticed Something Different About The Patient .... It's High Time To SHUT THAT FACILITY DOWN !
@Sparrow Flyingiam sick of men killing/raping women. This poor girl was raped many times. I refused to believe this is the first time. I bet that monster is rapist and child molester.
It's absolutely a terrible idea and I would never consent to a male attendant caring for me or any woman in my family if I had control of their medical needs.
Did her family visit her regularly? Why didn't the family notice that she was pregnant? Given what the staff has to do to ensure her hygiene, the staff should have known.
Her family is from the Apache reservation-one hundred miles away. It has been reported on Phoenix local TV mother visited twice a month. She had some kind of bowel tumor or bowel obstruction surgery several months ago . They said because of that she carried the baby on her side. They have never said on TV how much the baby weighed. We would all like to know. She only weighed 115 lbs.
Any basic caregiver would have notice that she did not have periods any longer. They don't keep track of that??? It's basic care and documentation. If you wash a womens belly you can feel the baby clearly, especially the last three months. Oftn the baby starts moving touched. That institution needs to be closed because the management is totally incompetent and negligent. There would be no privacy violated with cameras in the hallways. I am for equal rights but in cases like that women should do the care.
Who says it was a man? She could have been abused by a female staff member and inseminated through artificial means. Your jumping to conclusions is why this manufactured outrage has led to abusive and discriminatory policies against men in healthcare. This facility was just cited for the *FEMALE CNA's* dehumanizing the male patients in the showers! hsapps.azdhs.gov/ls/sod/LTCFiles/LTC0195/Fed_MBOZ11_12_2017.pdf
This resident was raped. Every male that has been in the building in the past year should have their DNA tested. But state people male and female come in to investigate and walk all over the facility. Different companies come in to make repairs in the facility. Male visitors over the past year. This is horrific. I hope that they find everyone who had been in the facility for the last year. Physical therapists. People come in to draw blood. My goodness. There are endless people who come into these facilities. My goodness I will continue to pray.
@@CheriSTJohn-mh8wz Too much money to track down thousands of people like that. The guilty guy will put up a legal fight about his DNA, so that's thousands more dollars. If the perpetrator isn't a current worker, it might come down to an ancestry website providing a family match years later. That's trending now.
You'd be surprised. We call them leeches at work. Random strangers, sometimes homeless, will come in dig in the trash for discarded wrist bands and scrubs or gowns. Befriend patients to get info or look for info when patients accidentally lose their paper work.
I cant believe you said "possible" sexual assualt. Geezus....its a little more than possible. Sick.
TBear 33 The Police will find the culprit. They take cases like this one very seriously.
For reals, what she do magically wake up and say yes then return to a vegetative state? -_- these people sre sick, sounds like they knew about it and did nothing
@uknow who Well, it is a little too late for that. There is clear negligence on the part of Hacienda - they owed a duty to this young lady for which they breached with no argument against proximate and actual cause as it would be clearly foreseeable that a woman in a vegetative state could be subject to abuse without appropriate oversight and protection. Just apply the Learned Hand Formula B
@ excellent. Grew up around lawyers. Too bad too few of you fight for the rights of the disabled. This kind of thing is as common as lies in Washington DC.
Here, in NC, they only help the disabled who are unable to complain.
For obvious reasons.
I've called in five Federal audits, reported my county for serious criminal corruption and been blacklisted, had my car tampered with and been denied services for my efforts.
I'm okay with it. Two women I reported to FBI have been indicted, pled guilty and the fireworks are just getting started.
I don't sue.. I call the feds..
Revenge at their hands is far better than money.
You can't rule out some convoluted accident involving sperm. Extremely unlikely, but it's still not a fact that it's a sexual assault.
She can't be the only one. There are more.
That's what I thought
@W.A M.P More rapes...
I believe you are correct Keith! Others may be scared to speak out of fear of being hurt by the person that is doing these awful things!
Yeah there are definitely systemic issues happening here.
I believe you’re right. And I doubt she was “allegedly” raped just the one time. This sicko needs to be imprisoned for life. He’s a predator.
If it was happening to her, it's happening to other patients. Their families need to get those patients out of there ASAP.
i bet all the females in that place got raped by the same patient rapist or a group of them. who knows but one thing for sure it wasnt a one time thing.
@@xcelljy I was thinking the same thing about it wasn't their first time, like how many times have they did this
It happens every day.... rape. No matter who did it, it is rape.besides watch the news hacienda they are closing it down
Melanie Stewart.....and then burn the place to the ground!!
Not to mention, how MANY TIMES before she ended up pregnant and by HOW MANY?
"Nobody noticed she was pregnant" Sounds like either extreme neglect, or an organized sex operation. Humanity is the worst.
Wiw Yum right
Both probably
Sometimes the baby’s turned a certain way and no one can see. I learned it on an episode of I didn’t know I was pregnant.
@Aubrie Williams No period would be a good start.
Yea I call BS on the staff that are caring for her and not notice her belly swelling
It takes a very sick person to do such a thing to that poor woman. I pray that the family gets justice
Not a person it takes a MAN
Evil
Families should remove their loved ones from that facility.
Wellll, unless they want Grandchildren
Dan Farrar 😂😂😂
How sad that comment. I hope this never happens to your families
Leelz247 law suit
Sure maybe is more abuse there to another
This one got noticed cause she got pregnant, now imagine all the cases in which condoms are used, so there is no way to tell if patients were sexually abused.
I guess they didn't notice she stopped menstruating for 9 months?! Disgraceful.
Sherry Wyllie well a person in a vegetative state may not have menstrual cycles. We do not have all the patients health records and it is illegal for them to release such things. Now other factors such as stomach growth or changes in hormones levels/ other typical patient checkups like heart rate, blood pressure, and respiratory rate could have made it clear something was going on. But it is clear this woman was raped. And it is also clear that there was a huge failure on the part of the care center. Again we don’t have all the facts.
Sherry Wyllie not everyone stops menstruating during pregnancy, look it up. But it may also be due to staff turnover, there are probably a lot of carers going in and out because of different shift patterns, it's an easy thing to miss when you're caring for 20 other patients and working on a rota
What is just as important is that she has a permanent cathether in place. After an assault , of which there was probably more than one, a non-medical professional as well as professional would have to know how to make sure it is again in place. So it probably wasn't the UPS guy or cleaning crew. A new law law just passed here in AZ, families can put cameras in their loved ones rooms but they have to take financial responsibility. Most people couldn't afford it because for long term patients, they are on Medicaid. AHCCS as it is called here in AZ. Everyone is so upset here. I great faith in God but why is he still allowing her to suffer like this.
Sherry Wyllie they probably didn't even bathe her because ethey know she can't speak.. most nurses are lazy . Karma will get them pray justice n worldpeace
Did she not receive obgyn services?
Something else I find extremely disturbing is the fact that she wasn’t in a coma, just a “vegetative state.“ Now I’m not sure how conscious mentally she was of everything going on around her but this implies that she was at least awake while being raped. Also, since she was in this condition, that means she was probably in labor for several days because she couldn’t help push the baby out like a woman who had full mobility. Since she had no way to communicate, she was probably in excruciating pain suffering for days until right before she gave birth when they realized.
The article mentioned that the staff was made aware because the girl was moaning. That tells you that she did feel labor pains. So sad!!!
Klara Svetland vegetative state means she was brain dead. There was no brain activity. So it seems she was on life support but I can’t imagine why her family would continue the life support.
It's possible to be aware of your surroundings while in a vegetative state.
It's like sleep paralysis
Klara Svetland wow this sounds awful I’ll b def in rage if she was my family what the baby looks like???
Matt _ccw It is if you are brain dead and there is no hope for you to recover. I would want my family to disconnect me and let me die with dignity. This case is why people should have a Living Will in order for the family to know your wishes if you should ever be in this tragic position.
This world is sick.
America
Yes, America. Also the rest of the world.
When you're raising a child and it asks you about monsters in the closet or under the bed...I suggest you explain that humans are the real monsters.
Amen to that :(
......because the good the bad and the ugly live together in this world.
People are lying at that facility. 😔
Yep cover up.
A a retired nurse from Phoenix this place has always had major issues. Deplorable tragic.
The owner and CEO needs to go to prison. The family needs to sue.
Mary Anna The family may have been involved in this.
Agreed.
@@sandrabrott8580 It is on facility's property ....it's on them either way.....but they need to find the rapist. What happened to the baby?
Sounds like Neglect from everyone including the family ? How did no one notice her swollen stomach????
Yes, family didn't notice? 🤦
Right. Family ignoring things, too.
The press stated that 14yrs ago someone attempted to drown the woman and she went straight into a coma.
She had no ID on her, so noone knew who she was and could neither get in contact with family members. So technically she's been alone, with neglecful staff the entire time .
@@OkashiiAmerican yeh it seems like the baby would be placed into care.
But there also seems to be so many gaps in the story esp since the hospital/police don't seem to be releasing a lot of info or any updates to the story.
Last time I heard the hospital said, they 'might do DNA testing', what's this might!?
I initially heard this story around Xmas time and seen zero updates to the story.
Especially the family, you mean to tell me they didnt visit her for 9mos🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
This is sick.
@NELLY ... Rape is lust, not love.
NELLY LOL
This is fake!
@@alexthompson8434 Rape is neither love not lust! Rape is a violent crime; a crime of a man's power over a woman. It has little to do with sex, and everything to do with the physical ability to make an unwilling partner do what you want them to do. Rape is power and violence, not lust!!!
@@brookeggleston9314 ... Lust motivates rape. The crime occurs when physical craving drowns out self-control and morals.
Might wanna check the visitors log 9 months ago also! Do not rule out a friend or relative assuming it was a worker!
William Cunningham Wow, I didn’t even think of that. And considering that they didn’t even know she was pregnant, they probably didn’t keep thorough accounts of visitors. So there’s a chance that the culprit could be very hard to find, if at all...🤢
That’s exactly what I was thinking. It is mostly women that work in those facility. My guess that is that it’s probably a family member, friend, or a patient in the facility
Good point!!
My thought exactly, possible Family member or Friend???
Mr, William C, can I just say Mr Will🙂😃👏🏾 👏🏾👏🏾 Now you just flipped the switch it's on now, You've Got an excellent point. . I'm done. BUT it doesn't excuse the fact they dont have no cameras around. They Cheap, They just taking the money. No darn camera surveillance...
They knew. They were trying to cover it up. She would have still had a menstrual cycle. That would have been missed. Along with so many other pregnancy signs. Like a moving belly with a baby in it!!!!
Tamika Brewster yeah.... Can u imagine how that poor child will feel.... No parents. This is truely horrible AF
Tamika Brewster that last sentence tho lol
Tamika Brewster
They get shots to avoid menstrual cycles
@@genevievepodraza1578 but if that were her case she wouldn't have ovulated
@Tony Black I'm aware some women bleed during pregnancy but I find it hard to believe there were no symptoms at all. Women who didn't know they were pregnant learn by going to a doctor, she was surrounded by them the entire time. Wouldn't she be on a monitor or something?
This woman weighed only 115lbs. How could they NOT KNOW?!?
She probably had a hot body.
@@RavishingBeyond You are an idiot!
@@RavishingBeyond 😮
@@MJ-zm7td 115lbs is a nice target weight, pun intended.
@@MJ-zm7td Never liked you anyway since you turned out my sexy dream girl Linda Blair.
BIG law suit INCOMING!!!
hyou zan ren that’s why the CEO/new president immediately resigned. Smart man.
But yes, we the people need to sue those b*** left and right, all of them!
They'll file bankrupsty llc
@@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim It does not alleviate him from being named in a Joint and Several Liability lawsuit, just because he quit. The idea of J&S Liability lawsuits is to go after the deepest pocket. In this case that would be Hacienda and its parent company. The CEO may be removed, but it could be argued that he should also be held responsible for at least a portion of any judgement awarded and that would fall under comparative negligence. I think most states have done away with contributory negligence. .My personal opinion is that if there is a civil judgement, he should be held accountable along with his employer and parent company and allocated liability based on percentage. That is after they satisfy that he may not be the subject of a criminal filing in the case of this young lady.
@ oh, certainly. Thank you for elucidating your point! However, at least this won't be his mess to manage going forward. The new CEO is going to have his/her hands full and will go down with this sinking ship. Imagine looking for new employment with your name attached to such a disaster...
@ I'm still shaking my head at this...we're supposed to be a first world country, how is this happening...and not isolated incidents, either...
They should've hired you and I as CEOs like, way back in 2016. Your loss, Hacienda!
This brings me back to the CEO of Volkswagen resigning right after the emissions drama...welp, he's been indicted with conspiracy to rig the diesel vehicles. Good job, government!
There should be a law against CEO's "stepping" down as soon as issues arise. If your doctor cuts off the wrong leg, s/he can't just say- I'm going to step down from this here hospital, maybe see ya in my next out-of-state clinic!
Hmmm, or sexually depraved clergy, for that matter....
Why this place still open.. Once trust broken. Thats it. Why they still open??????
TBH them people families really don't want the responsibility nursing always have a bad rep that why the government pay family members to take care of them and sometimes still get neglected I know a young women that lives on my block her son had a fatel illnesses she took care of until he died he couldn't speak , eat on his own and wore diapers my point is if I had achild with a disability he or she wouldn't leave my side unless the hospital is their home and even then I'm there I know how hard life can be and it's even more scary if you can't defend yourself I think god honor me to have children and I will do my best to love and protect my gifts
Money
Surely the staff are complicit, they know and are keeping silent... How can they not know she is pregnant?
agree! even "good people" keep their mouths shut and look forward...when that lady said they had "good people" there i rolled my eyes so hard it hurt.
Jucko gel : May God bring swift judgement to everyone of them who did know and did nothing ..... to stop the on going assaults ! His judgments come on them I pray !!!!!
@W.A.M.P "I had no idea I was pregnant until I went into labor" is a myth made up to conceal pregnancy from relatives, get attention or get into a reality/talk shows etc. Pregnant belly doesn't look the same as just a fat belly, later in the pregnancy there is movement which is impossible not to notice, there are feet/hands poking you from the inside which you both feel and see. And of course, you dont have your period for 9 months, which it is impossible for any normal woman not to notice/ignore. For these and countless other reasons, your cousins wife's story is BS. Also, any nursing staff or doctor who presumably sometimes examines these patients and who cannot tell that a woman is pregnant, has no place working in a medical/nursing facility. But of course some of these people knew the girl was pregnant, this was just a conspiracy of silence and concealing the scandal for as long as possible.
It's the staff i'm sure of it
Perfumed Bed my sister in law is morbidly obese, she was pregnant a few years ago, no one will tell, her belly stayed the same size right until delivery. My niece was 5lbs at birth, she is healthy.
Shut it down
Agreed!😡
Agreed, but what happens to all those patients?
@@tammytruthout8465 make this rehab responsible for the transportation and placement of their patients.
Build a wall
Wtf Phoenix? She cannot consent. As a nurse I’m shocked!
Veronica, Phoenix? Seriously? Has nothing to do with Phoenix, there are freakin sickos everywhere!!! This man needs to be found and castrated.
@@ChrisPadillaAZ why are u so dramatic over a damn State ment about phoenix?? It's not special .....
Laws need to change for nursing homes. Cameras must be installed. And families must step up and advocate for loved ones and visit daily!
Agreed. My wife used to work as a CNA in nursing homes/psychiatric hospitals and she literally spoke of knowing only one lady who visited her mother every day. My wife's exact words: "She was an Angel. " More often than not poor unfortunate patients/residents were dumped off and the facility only had contact with the family after they died. Edit: Actually their was a couple more people that visited their loved ones every day. However, they were the exception. ✌
Visit daily? YOu do know that is impossible right? What they need is camera live feed to the net 24/7 on every room.
@@vietfundvn8772 Yes, visit daily or at least several times a week!
Invade old people’s privacy cause of 1 incident yeah...
@@thomasdalby7805
It could be optional. But really their privacy has already been forfeited if they can't even bathe themselves.
1 star rating ... it needs to be shutdown
Ikr.. at that point it should have been condemned. Unfortunately I don’t think some of its patients had that choice to pick another place. I’ve been to some nursing homes. It’s like a living death. No way to treat human being like that at all. It’s truly shameful :(
Zero stars since there is no -5 star rating
Probably 0 star but you have to give at least one. It should have been shut down before this atrocity.
Nursing homes are for profit and in my experience there are usually only two CNAs for up to 30+ patients. It's impossible to keep an eye on everyone all the time. I will never let one of my family members go to a nursing home because of the horror that I have already witnessed.
And no better at night and holidays
CNA's husbands and boyfriends might be a possibility of fathering the child.
@@mfundo1pumla CNAs are not exclusively women. I have worked with countless male CNAs.
Very well said. 👍☺
@Fola Alli That's your opinion, but I do not agree.
They question how staff didn't notice she was pregnant HOW the F did her family NOT NOTICE !?!?
I didn't show till I was 5 months and I weigh the same as her
Exactly. Her FAMILY decided to keep her vegetative and put her in that place. Did they not check on her or do any care for her? How did her family not notice if anything was happening? I am a child sexual abuse survivor and I am always prepared for the what if's because I know it can happen. The silver lining, in a sick and twisted way, is that the family gets a piece of their daughter back in the form of a child. The scary part is they don't know yet who raped her and what else or who else is in that child she bore. If she wasn't raped she could've died without her genes ever living on. So sad. If that was my family member then I would've brought them home. If I couldn't bring them home then I would've regulated that staff, background checked everyone, daily visits and reports, daily cleaning, I would do my own physical examination to see if any changes or any unusal going on. I also would've set up my own damn camera or even a voice recording device.
@@scarletradiopodcast I get that because I only gained 5 lbs for my 2nd child ,people who didn't know me had no idea I was pregnant ! but Ive worked in long term care facilities for over 20 years now and involved families notice every little change in loved ones health !Even if she didn't start to show till month 6or 7 that still gave the family 2 to 3 months to notice !
Melissa Johnson seriously!!! How did they not notice she looked like she was pregnant
@@erihead21 They could not be that involved in her care...
Doggie daycare facilities have webcams, why can't nursing facilities have them?
@@TheSkete The dog owners can, and they do. (I'm a vet tech.)
It's called HIPPA....Google it. Along with the rules for Health insurance portability and PRIVACY act.
@@leadingman9322 Okay. Googled it. Read it. This is a particularly comical passage, "..It also creates several programs to control fraud and abuse within the health-care system."
Dodgy**
AKartes they usually do on the out side or in the exercise room where they do rehab
That’s so messed up 🤦🏽♀️ This is really disturbing
how did the family not notice ?
no cameras!? so we guard money better than we guard human life .....
The family probably never visited. Its the girl that suffering not the family.
But now we got boarder killers coming we have our own terrorist attack murders and rapers here in America but the trump and his supporters are worrying over families trying to escape natural disasters.
Cameras are a privacy violation BUT they could have everyone sign waivers to allow cameras in the halls and nurses desk
The Question is, "why did not the staff noticed during baths or nursing assessment?" I wonder if they bathe her! This deserves law suit and shut down. No cameras show the administration did not care enough!
You mean staff?
Disgusting and evil... Taking advantage of someone😡 responsibility falls on the facility test every male on staff let's start there.
Taquae Anderson, this is disgusting and evil!! I am so angry and sick hearing this story!!
@@sakkysha5496 Still can't believe it.
I don't think it's evil. It's biological in nature. Ethically wrong for sure and surely illegal, but not evil.
@@RavishingBeyond It's evil to give yourself permission to abuse someone body unknowingly to them. She was in a COMA... That's evil in my eyes to even have a thought to harm someone for your selfish reasons just nasty .
It might not be a member. It could be a family member, somebody that claims to be a friend of the family, or another patient.
In my experience most people who work in nursing homes aren't all that bright. I've been in the medical field for 13 years and half the caregivers ive seen are straight up trashy people. The other half are loving and caring but eventually get burned out.
Jenna Knight that’s an awful thing to say
@@cynthiaragan4806 it may sound awful but the person is telling the truth.
Its the awful truth.
Why don't they remove their loved ones from the facility? I couldn't sleep at night knowing my loved one is in danger.
Think it takes awhile to get into those places, it did for my uncle anyways, but i was wondering the same
I think they can't afford it. Many times government pays for certain places.
Some of the people who have family there said they do want to move them somewhere else, but there are not many places like that in their area that are taking patients that age.
They are Native Americans and the government was paying for her health care. Perhaps the family could not afford to pay anything on their own. It’s not their fault this facility was negligent. It’s also very difficult to get into a good facility that is paid for through Medicaid/Medicare. I feel bad for any family that has one of their loved ones in that disgusting place.
It can be hard finding placement for a nursing home patient, depending largely on patient's insurance coverage and their care needs.
Poor little kid coming into the world this way... :(
I hope they will love him despite all.
😢
@@godfirst7452 the poor kid does not need to know. Bless his heart
@@toraltoral3509 May he be a blessing to his mother 🙏
@Eddie Bacon regardless of a belief in God the baby still has a chance at life. Life definitely has its hardships but they could end up in a loving home.
In 10 years, how many times did they visit their loved one? Now all of a sudden they are appalled.
This is horrible!! Some one was taking advantage of a woman that was unconscious for over a decade!! RAPE CHARGES NEED TO BE PRESSED !! DNA will find out who the man is that did this !! They need to shut the place down !! God bless this woman and baby !!
She probably is aware but can't communicate
Dna will reveal
I started crying watching this. This makes me dislike humans so much 😢
DNA of every male that has set foot in the building including patients over the last 9 months is impossible to obtain. It's also unconstitutional. If I visited a loved one inside that building 9 months ago it's absurd to think that I should be forced to go somewhere and give my blood and or sylvia. Do you think that every single male that mowed the lawn or filled a coke machine there one time in 9 months should have to hand over their DNA? That is an egregiously poor idea.
Sandlin22 that’s not what they said. You’ll probably be able to find out who the dad is bc of the baby.
Just when you think you've heard it all... Nope!! It gets even more sickening
😔 so sad but true
This is worst than RKelly's sex cult
Hollywood Hawkins 😂😂😂
True af
Yes very sick
They may not have noticed because she may not have shown as much since she's not physically active the womb will be pressed further in the back instead of descending and it may have looked more like bloating which will happen often when intake is only fluids or macrobiotic puree. I can understand THAT part, what I don't understand is the fact it wasn't noticed she had stopped menstruation considering that is something supposed to be charted in her file, or why blood work was not ran for the better part of a year. The hormone would have been noticed in ANY lab work, you don't have to test specifically for it like mononeucleosis. Routine blood work not being done on someone with constant iv or GI tube or even a catheter is against regulation, early detection of infection or reaction being the reason for this. Everything is supposed to be tracked, fluid intake, how much urine produced and yes, every menstrual cycle is supposed to be tracked. I would be looking at the physician ... I'm sure she is seen by one routinely. Where's the blood work? Where's the cna charts. Shut this place down.
Exactly my thoughts!
This makes me so ANGRY!!! The nurses and doctors who took on that patient during that time period should should lose their license. If they were doing their job right they would defiantly have noticed that something was wrong with her when doing their patient assessment at the begging of their shift!!!!
Seriously how can the family missed a growing belly?????
Probably didn't visit often.
IT DOES NOT MATTER if they missed it. What a hateful comment. So, people without family get what they deserve? Are you a immigrant nurse here to punish Americans or are you just stupid.
CINDY GOLDMAN what a hateful comment! I don’t think she meant it in a bad way. Of course EVERYONE deserves love, that goes unspoken! But your ignorant comment was clearly made to be hateful.
@@38NDY you're ridiculous! You made all those STUPID assumptions from a question. It is bizarre that the family didn't notice, that doesn't mean she deserved to be sexually assaulted you fool.
Maybe she is fat
No belly during pregnancy???? Or her family dont be around?
Chevon Keller what I was thinking.
They weren't around much from other reports. And tbh she's smiling and sitting up in those pics so she wasn't vegetative . Vegetative means not responding or mobile. She looked alert and responsive to me in those pics.
Kristin Gallo that’s another patient and her mother
@@tatum635 no it's not, that's her daughter. Why would they post pics of someone else? That makes no sense and its illegal.
@@kristingallo2158 They started talking about another concerned mother and patient there... The pics were of them. The victim and victim's family was not named or shown in this video. You need to listen and rewatch the video.
This rape should not be called a possible 'Sexual Assualt"!
The facility did not protect this woman well enough! Period........
They are aviding a lawsuit
@@Claudia-cr2pm Yeah your'e right....
@@curtistinemiller1560 they ahpuld have clarified why they have to say "alleged" though. They often do that.
thank you. our rape culture is out of control.
Curtistine Miller yup
This is horrible and I feel so sorry for the baby....basically born an orphan....and so much of what happens to you or how you feel while pregnant can affect the child....I pray they grow up in a very loving household.
I feel bad for the baby boy 😢
The baby has family and isnt an orphan wth
@@AshleyMadisonsRight keyword: basically. Not literally
I hope the family chooses to put baby up for adoption.
@@jesusistheonlyway6238 yes, that is the only option. Start fresh. That poor baby does not need to know about this horrible story.
Dear God bring that woman justice 🙏🏼🙏🏼💯💯
This is absolutely horrible......The real question is... if the family really was concerned, how come she went the whole 9 months without even them noticing was pregnant?.... No one came to visit her between that 9 month period?.......That woman was failed by her family and the homes staff as well
blackgirlsareperfect omg I was focusing so much on the staff that I didn’t think about her family!!! You are right!!
🤦
That’s what I was just thinking 🤔
Ok, so her mom, Carina, DIDN'T notice her belly growing in 9 month's time??
And she just NOW doesn't want to leave her side?? @2:07
I know of a woman who came out of a vegetative state after several years, with all her faculties, so I'm not saying it's time to pull the plug. DNA test every guy who has worked there in the past 9 months and when you find him send him to prison for the rest of his life. PA one star? SHUT THEM DOWN!
"Did I miss anything during all these years?"
"Well, you're a mother now."
@@RavishingBeyond omg that conversation
Very good point...somehow a DNA on all should males should be made, anyone who denies it should be considered a major suspect.
GR EAT what's happening to them now, dolt? The problem is the owners, likely a greedy corporation, and most of the places are like that due to inadequate government oversight.
Ravishing Beast it would go like "you were raped by a random man, possibly several times. And your birthed a child" that is horrible traumatizing conversation.
Devastating doesn't even cover it! But now I'm curious about how many more people have been raped and how many more women are pregnant?! I have a feeling this woman isn't the only one!
Unless the patient is overweight I can't possibly see how everyone missed the pregnancy. Still, you can tell when a woman is pregnant regardless of her weight. Sounds like the family rarely visited and the staff is just saying they didn't know.
Ive worked with people who were in this state, tube feed, etc.. the belly often js swollen
It could also be a family member. DNA tests for everybody.
shanniworld good point!
This is so disturbing! Oh my gosh!
I work with adults with various degrees of mental and physical disabilities that require 24/7 care and or supervision ...and even some who are completely non verbal ( literally won't make a sound ..not even a wimper ) ..I have been honored and blessed to assist them with there day to day activities and living the best life they can ... The ladies who are in a state like this lady ..they may be unable to communicate but that means you will pay close attention to the body language ....you have to be able to determine what there body language is telling you ... And i can promise you someone who looks after and cares for a person like this will notice a change in this persons body language and even changes in the body ( even the slightest sign the belly is growing or any other changes )...I get if they where short staffed ( we are badly) but that still shouldn't matter they should have noticed ...someone had to have noticed ... It's pure laziness or not caring .. someone who can take advantage of someone in her condition is pure evil ...these individuals look to you for guidance and reassurance and there families put so much trust in those who care for there loved one and the individuals put so much trust in you ..there life is in your hands... Who ever can break that level of trust is beyond sick... My heart breaks for her and for her baby it wasn't his fault .. this world has some sick people
So the caregivers didn't wonder why her belly got bigger and that her menstruation ceased? That's professional negligence right there.. maybe one of the nurses was the perpetrator.
They are not all licensed so it can be anyone in that facility. They are not monitored close anywhere in the us certainly not assisted living...a little different but still. ADMINISTRATORS OWNERS MAKE MILLIONS and this is what happens. More than criminal. Now get someone to pay attention. Disabled, elderly, youth, i mean we have so many problems in our country to solve. These places need very tightened resident care standards.
I'm not trying to make excuses but I've heard stories of women who didn't know they were pregnant until they went into labor. It doesn't change the fact that this whole situation is just sickening.
You don't need a medical license to see if someone is 6+ months pregnant. The baby would also have noticibly moved around alot.
Cynthia Dickerson I actually know someone that happened to. She was overweight and thought she was having intestinal issues. She 40 years old, had never been pregnant and is married. She isn’t someone who would be in denial about it. She is so happy! She found out when she was 9 months and gave birth a week or two later!
Clearly she wasn't given medication, baths, routine checkups, rotations or attention!!
Possible sexual assault?!?! Okay lady
it's for legal reasons
Maybe she woke up and wanted it
I work in a nursing home and anybody who could do that is really sick in the head
Now they need to do a DNA test on the baby. And check it to men working there.
Plus she needs to be moved to another facility.
There needs to be new management and employees oversight.
Sick mind.
K the manager quit they definitely need to investigate him
It could've been a visitor too. They need to explore all options and not just focus on staff
Obviously she received no care.
I would say that... Tyrone made her toes curl on the daily
The ENTIRE center staff needs to be fired and new staff hired. This situation proves NO ONE is doing their job of caring for the patient. There are so many doctors, nurses, physical therapists, social workers, ect. involved in nursing care, some one should have caught this. Fire them all. SHUT IT DOWN. Period!
The residents only get 1 physical a year just like everyone else unless they are sick. All people who have insurance are only allowed to have 1 physical a year. I only get 1 physical a year. This is normal for everyone.
Is that their policy because it's not like that in all nursing facilities. I know that for a fact. It's also not like she didn't have continuous contact with medical professionals for everything else besides a physical. They should have be more aware.
Looks like she receive plenty of care. All sorts of extra care.
I hope the baby boy is raised with more love than is imaginable.
I worked nursing homes 25 years ago for a few years before going private duty because the abuse of the residents was sickening and the covering up even more sickening...if any employee would try to report it they were terminated...I know this because I was terminated in TWO facilities for trying to report abuse...one being rape of an elderly woman who had a stroke and couldn’t verbalize her assault...it was HEARTBREAKING!!! Aides are paid peanuts so it is many drug addicts and criminals taking care of our elderly because there are no background checks...they don’t care whose taking care of your family members as long as there’s enough staff on a shift that is required by law...SMH.
I sent my mom to the worst nursing home in the state since she abused me as a child and I want a legal form of revenge. She can't even leave haha.
...see, tell the Truth.
Ok so what about in home care? If you can afford it. Good, bad..?
Sharon W You are so right about some of these places maybe hiring drug addicts and criminals!!! I've witnessed for myself some of these facilities that had questionable employees working there. SMH Just disgusting!!!
Sharon W : Thank you soo much for your info. You’re absolutely right. Thank you for the heads up.
I feel terrible for that baby boy, I mean what do you say to him when he grows up?
That he is innocent of his biological father's sin. That he is a spirit son of God, with as much right to happiness and potential for good works as the next person.
*"Genetically,* you have a *50% chance* of being a *rapist."*
That his mom was in a vegetative state for 14 years, someone f'ed her and surprise here you are 🙂🤷🏾♀🤷🏾♀
that he was born of a virgin and was fathered by Zeus
Lord I was thinking the same thing..
It's disgusting that you would say "possible " in a vegetative state there is no way to consent so it is rape period end of story.
Why would you say possible? Absolutely ludicrous that she just said that.
Can't wait for the DNA results. :)
Yeap...they should DNA All doctors first and All male staff. That sounds to me like the staff isn't talking because someone might get them fired.
Do the family not come to visit her? How did the family also not know she was pregnant?
Rape. Use the word. Rape
They can't or they can get sued.
No. The suspect, if any, is alleged. The crime is fact.
I prefer to read "sexual relations with a comatose patient." Sounds better.
Exactly
Clearly she couldn't consent
It was the night maintenance guy or a male nurse who worked at night. Thats the only people that would have the time opportunity to do it. At night there aren't visitors, just a couple nurses who aren't going to be able to check in and everybody is asleep.
Wrong. Could very well have been a male patient too. If they didn't even notice that the lady was pregnant do you think they're keeping a close watch on her?
@@derekr1013 Thats very possible my man. Either way its messed up.
@heygirlhey504 All this speculation is starting to feel like a game of clue. All this speculation is fun. I cant wait till we find out who did it. This like a mystery novel.
Very true
heygirlhey504 , but it could have also been a male visitor.
I think about when that poor child grows up , and how he's going to feel when he finds out how he came into this world.......what a cruel world we live in.
No matter how secure the facility is the crime has already been done. Too late Hacienda Health Care
Why would you put a family member in a nursing home that has a "one" star rating? Years ago, my sister had a brain aneurysm and she was discharged from the hospital and sent to a nursing home in our city called Heartland Health Care. The minute you entered the building you could smell feces, vomit, etc. Most of the workers sat around the desk at each station, acting as if they were just holding down the chair they were sitting in and of course didn't want to do anything for OR with the patients. My sister & I never left our older sisters side, there was one of us their every day, changing her diapers, bathing her, and the damn staff sat around watching us and not doing a thing.
Sorry, but if you have your loved on in a facility that has a "one" star rating, and you haven't complained(???) SHAME on you. I am a retired RN, so I know how patients should be taken care of....this is disgusting. This woman is raped in a nursing home and couldn't do anything and NO one noticed she was pregnant? Right....there's some lying going on around that facility now isn't there.
BTW, We complained to the local officials and kept complaining all the senators, representatives, etc. in our state. We did get the nursing home to STOP treating patients in our area and I realize that this nursing facility just probably went on to do these horrible acts to someone else.
You have the power as relatives to make a difference for your loved ones when placed in these disgusting nursing facilities. Why not forgo going out to dinner once in a while and write or call the powers that be in your state and area about this? Nothing can be done until someone STEPS up.!
@@great8413 Or it might be all that is available. Health care in America is shameful and inhumane.
Sounds like you have the experience, the credentials, the passion! Maybe God has called you to be a voice for others who are lost or don't have the nursing and medical you have to be an advocate! I'm caring for my parents at home now and have considered getting my CNA just to be another set of eyes and ears in a home who had basic morals. I've been lost in my career for a while now and just quit my job tethered to a desk in a hospital call center to take care of them. I never understood the real need there until just lately. Good luck to you!
some people cant afford care for loved ones so they either get a government referral which pays for the cheapest car or they choose the cheapest car. remember 14 years for paying basically a mortgage.
holiday 2406 I agree don’t leave your family alone . This poor girl probably was raped numerous times just laying there unable to do a thing . Bottom line it is the family’s that should be protecting their loved ones .
"possible" sexual assault?
Are you effing kidding me??
This is why my disabled brother will live with me when my parents pass on. He would have no idea how to verbalize if anything was going on. This story brings it to a whole new level of depravity. Truly horrifying 😞
I'm sorry for your situation and wish you and your brother the best. 😞
you and my older sister would both get along great because she told the same thing towards me and if your wonder yes am disabled too i also have a brother as well who's disabled and this makes me sick
@@NewRedYolk thank you that really means a lot 💕
@Goody two shoes you are right. I didnt mean to compare my brother to this victim. Either way, if someone can't communicate they can't communicate. Regardless of the level of medical care needed. Sometimes my brother's behavioral needs are, I think, more time and energy consuming than physical needs.
Lindsay S, good for you!!! I wouldn’t trust any of these facilities!!!
i have so many questions? Firstly, how can you not tell a patient is pregnant? You would see her belly growing, urine would be more frequent....WTF Secondly, are there any actual Nurses or Doctors there? Thirdly, why dont you do background checks! Fourthly, whose going to take the child, and care for it? Fifthly, I would do DNA tests on every man who worked there, this was likely and inside job.
mizzmolly Yeah they said she was raped multiple times. And they are doing DNA testing
mizzmolly Then it was in a different news broadcast that I saw. I know I heard it. But no offense was meant by my comment.
mizzmolly Do you really think not one person realize that she was pregnant? Even if she's in a vegative state wasn't she still having her period? I believe that she is only 29 yrs old
HOW could everybody have missed you?
mizzmolly it not you
mizzmolly She had to have been having her period for her to be able to get pregnant. And nobody noticed for 9 months? Come on now?! As a news person what's ur opinion?
My mother worked as a state employee overseeing nursing homes and she said women in these facilities are often treated for stds when there was no way they could consent all time. It's crazy common if you have loved ones in care check on them often, make sure your attend Dr appointments, and keep an eye on then like you would a small child.
Sounds really bad but exams should be done for anyone else in comas there to see if there are signs of assault.
What will happen to the baby? 😢😭
Mom is in a vet state how can she care for the baby
Pula Paw the family of the patient would take of the baby.
@@Pulapaws I was speaking about her mom the grandmother.
Hope the rapist/his family wont do any claim if hes caught
@HONESTO UNO hey guys it's the emoji police! 😱
What impossible to believe here is that NONE of the staffs realized about the pregnancy???
Didnt they realize she stopped having her period?
That was brought up in another video
which video?
newnews brooklyn she was probably given medication to make her periods stop
@@vickiefinney6073 those medications make you stop ovulating in order for you to stop having periods.
Jessica Calhoon aww I was confused. Thanks
Ttime to supena dna samples from all the current and past male staff employed there over the past 10 months.
EXACTLY WHAT I THINK THEY NEED TO DO....EVERY MALE EVEN DOCTORS & DELIVERY DRIVERS
If possible the patients to see if it was a relative of a patient
Its the only answer
It’s probably a family member, friend, or another patient.
I hope they keep a sign in register of visitors too and test all those males as well as current and past staff with the last 10 months.
I am extremely disgusted & appalled! What a horror to uncover! I feel broken for the family🤢🤦🏾♂️
DNA tests for all males with access. Find this dog. Poor, poor woman and baby.
@uknow who make the tests voluntary to exclude from suspicion....???
@Over Under Sideways Down You watch *too much tv.*
If the baby is ok and survived then you can DNA test the baby .
Staff did not noticed!!! What about the girl's family, they should have been the first to noticed.😠😠😠😠😠
My thoughts EXACTLY!! Her family didn't even notice??
Get your families out of there!!!!
If you have to put your loved one in a place like this put a hidden camera in their room.
Yeeeessss! Thank you! Hidden camera or sound recorder!
The nurses had to know.. 😩
Sometimes Nurses don’t know. You would be surprised what Nurses miss with a heavy PT load
Kandice Gabriel It was l probably one of the staff members, They're trying to Survive and not get shut down. They know they messed up and hired a sick individual now they trying to cover it up.
@My-Identity Hard to miss a lack of a period . Private pay facilities do not require licensed staff.
This is one of the reasons that family needs to be more involved. Putting your family member into a facility and thinking some strangers are going to take good care of them is not very intelligent. Even home care family members need to stay on guard. Too many crazy demented people out there.
Possible sexual assault!!!😡😡😡 IT WAS RAPE!! how in the world would she be pregnant!!! It infuriates me, a person who can’t defends them self. Just imagine what that poor woman went through. Now, how on earth no one notice her mid section growing?
Hasn’t she bathed, fed daily?
How about her family? Does she any? If so, they never visited her? It’s beyond belief!!
What’s more horrific is she isn’t the only one, there are more!!
I am wondering the same thing
This is the sickest horrible thing I've ever heard. They all covered it up
Manson murders were much sicker. Chris Watts too. At least this gentleman gave life instead of taking it.
This is the worst thing you've heard? You must live in a huge bubble filed with rainbows and sunshine😂😂😂
I don’t care about noticing her bump, how about routine checks, urine, blood, blood pressure, heartbeat, weight, there are so many signs that a 24/7 care nurses would have noticed. Some serious foul play
I can't wrap my head around this.
So many questions.
Victoria Welch She was Raped and victimized, by one of the staff members that was fantasizing about having sex with her everytime he passed the room. It could have even been the maintenance man.. it had to be one of the two.
So with you.
There's nothing to understand. A man needed or wanted sexual relief and he found an opportunity. Pregnancy was not his plan.
Victoria Welc
In my opinion. Two possibilities. This place is so negligent that a woman carried to full term without their knowledge OR the workers are/were protecting someone.
um... no...? there's tons of people that have gotten pregnant and didn't know about it until they gave birth.
@@sparkleshinecool It happens, especially with overweight mothers. But these people are professionals, not medically uninformed individuals with irregular periods and steady weight, but medical caregivers supposedly watching her situation. What else have they "missed" with patients?!?
THIS IS THE SADDEST STORY IVE HEARD IN A LONG TIME.WTF THEY HAVE GOT TO FIND THE MAN WHO DID THIS AND PUT HIM AWAY FOR LIFE.THIS KIND OF STUFF CAN NOT GO BYPASSED.
It's possible that the baby bump didn't grow large because lack of extra nutrients.
@@travericka are you saying autistic? And that has nothing to do with anything. The child has no more a chance of being autistic than any other.
Oh please ...as a trained female nurse you would have known if another woman was pregnant or not ..especially if you are changing her ,and bathing her , and her period stopped and running tests on her everyday
This is like the original story of Sleeping beauty only in real life!
I've Always Felt That It's An Bad Idea To Allow Male Caregivers or CNA's To Bath, Wash, or Change Female Patients ! Somebody Should've Noticed Something Different About The Patient .... It's High Time To SHUT THAT FACILITY DOWN !
@Sparrow Flyingiam sick of men killing/raping women. This poor girl was raped many times. I refused to believe this is the first time. I bet that monster is rapist and child molester.
Most place dont allow male caregiver/CNA to bath or change female patients, female are allowed to change male.
That's very sexist. there are gay women abusers as well. It's like people forget they exist.
It's absolutely a terrible idea and I would never consent to a male attendant caring for me or any woman in my family if I had control of their medical needs.
@@silentj624 this clearly wasnt done by a female.
So nobody noticed an obvious belly with a child potentially kicking with the patient being checked? 🤦🏽♀️
They need to test every male staff member in that facility. Smh!
Shauna Saucier and male patients too
probably they have found the culprit by now but then will take ages to release details
Possible... how else do you think someone gets pregnant
How did the skilled nursing staff not see she was swelling in her stomach and get a doctor. One of the LPN’s or RN’s should have known
Did her family visit her regularly? Why didn't the family notice that she was pregnant?
Given what the staff has to do to ensure her hygiene, the staff should have known.
Her family is from the Apache reservation-one hundred miles away. It has been reported on Phoenix local TV mother visited twice a month. She had some kind of bowel tumor or bowel obstruction surgery several months ago . They said because of that she carried the baby on her side. They have never said on TV how much the baby weighed. We would all like to know. She only weighed 115 lbs.
Thank you Margaret Kearsey
Any basic caregiver would have notice that she did not have periods any longer. They don't keep track of that??? It's basic care and documentation.
If you wash a womens belly you can feel the baby clearly, especially the last three months. Oftn the baby starts moving touched. That institution needs to be closed because the management is totally incompetent and negligent.
There would be no privacy violated with cameras in the hallways.
I am for equal rights but in cases like that women should do the care.
Maybe they didn't bathe here
Horrendous
This completely disgusting. How can a man take advantage of a woman in a comma. For 12 years. Sick.
Who says it was a man? She could have been abused by a female staff member and inseminated through artificial means. Your jumping to conclusions is why this manufactured outrage has led to abusive and discriminatory policies against men in healthcare. This facility was just cited for the *FEMALE CNA's* dehumanizing the male patients in the showers! hsapps.azdhs.gov/ls/sod/LTCFiles/LTC0195/Fed_MBOZ11_12_2017.pdf
How did they not notice she was pregnant? And how do they know it wasn't a visitor to another patient who did it?
Water broke and a baby arrived.
Possible
Good point
This resident was raped. Every male that has been in the building in the past year should have their DNA tested. But state people male and female come in to investigate and walk all over the facility. Different companies come in to make repairs in the facility. Male visitors over the past year. This is horrific. I hope that they find everyone who had been in the facility for the last year. Physical therapists. People come in to draw blood. My goodness. There are endless people who come into these facilities. My goodness I will continue to pray.
@@CheriSTJohn-mh8wz Too much money to track down thousands of people like that. The guilty guy will put up a legal fight about his DNA, so that's thousands more dollars. If the perpetrator isn't a current worker, it might come down to an ancestry website providing a family match years later. That's trending now.
The negligence in this facility lends to the possibility that the father may not be a staff member but an outside visitor.
It's not someone walking down the street. It's some one working there.
I would have every male that worked there or have worked there tested.
How you know it's not. It could be that too
You'd be surprised. We call them leeches at work. Random strangers, sometimes homeless, will come in dig in the trash for discarded wrist bands and scrubs or gowns. Befriend patients to get info or look for info when patients accidentally lose their paper work.