Never watched this series, Stumbled on this today. When I heard she was still a med student, goin against her sup like this , I actually froze - tho I know it's TV
She hasn't been seen in the last 2 seasons with no explanation. Maybe it was to do with this? However when she did get Dr Charles to help a boy in a different episode and I actually liked her. It's a shame she didn't continue to learn from Dr Charles.
Yes. Agreed. Nobody really talked to the mother in an empathetic manner it seems. It was all about pushing this and not at all about bridging a MASSIVE divide in their discourse.
i was thinking this too. Wouldnt the chance for another child be enough to make her stay alive? Since that seems like the only thing she cares about, bringing a child to life.
She believed the baby was a miracle and that God wouldn't give her that miracle and then take it away, so she wouldn't believe that she would die. Also after trying for 12 years she wouldn't be expecting a second 'miracle'
"There's a difference between being prepared and terrifying a sick woman." Curry's look of total confusion shows how detached she is from the compassionate side of being a doctor.
To be fair, it was a perfectly reasonable question to ask, and I'm surprised the other doctors didn't ask it already. What if she passes out and the fetus dies. They should know her wishes in that very possible event.
You do know that she’s supposed to represent a neurodivergent character who can only rationalize and can’t be emote on the same level as an average person, right? That’s literally the point of her character in the show… Plus it is a literal show… If you watch the show, you will see that she actually gets help and learning how to help people properly
I had an ectopic pregnancy, a very wanted pregnancy. The hardest thing was having to walk through a crowd of anti abortionists screaming obscenities at me for the life saving surgery
Did they know you would die without it? I have yet to meet an anti-abortion person who would prefer both mother and child die instead of just the child.
@@robosuit I’ve met plenty. My mother had to have an abortion because she had complications with her pregnancy and it was either her or the baby, possibly both of them would have died either way. Her friends that were anti-abortion berated her and then never talked to her again because they believed she should have stuck with the pregnancy and died, and just let the father raise the baby. I have met a lot who would prefer the mother to live, but I’ve also met a lot who literally do not care
@@robosuit What kind of question is this?? It is NONE of their business why anyone is going to the clinic. Imagine having to explain to a bunch of screaming raging strangers why you're making a medical desicion...
@@SonicGlitchmaster1 I back you up on this... An ectopic pregnancy has to be surgically removed in an operating room in a hospital and the procedure is nothing even remotely like an abortion, it's a very serious operation and no abortion clinic could ever do the procedure. I'm not trying to be mean to Time & Spoons, I'm not a bully but I am an honest person and I experienced an Etopic Pregnancy myself so I know you are correct, there is just no way this is true and I have to say it because all these people giving sympathy for something that is impossible.
@@Damn-I.hate_bein.sober_0.0 no, that is the definition of malpractice. the doctor went against the wish of the patient even if she wants to die they can't do anything about it. The only issue is as doctor charles explained, they can't prove it. so legally they can't be charged but morally both the doctor and patient knows what they did was wrong.
How hard is it to just explain the medical facts without disrespecting her beliefs? Also, you *cannot* force her into surgery. Patients are allowed to refuse even life-saving surgery.
@@minglifeng2862 I work in healthcare. That IS a medical fact. Patients are allowed to refuse life-saving surgery. Whether it’s due to religious beliefs, moral beliefs, or lifestyle choices, that’s their right and forcing them into a surgery they don’t consent to is a crime unless they’re under a psych order and deemed unable to make their own choices (for example someone who has depression and is actively suicidal might not have as much choice as someone who does not want a life-saving procedure because it goes against their religious beliefs).
@@emikookime1849 I am Christian, I believe Jesus (God) makes miracles of healing,, but there a reason happened, need to be strong after.. If there a life risks, I accept abortion only..
No matter how much you want to save a patient's life, it is their own choice to accept or to deny. Working in the medical field is extremely complex and not a one decision deal.
Yet in certain countries/states you'll be forced to a psych ward and charged with a crime if you try to commit suicide. That's what she was technically doing and I also want to know the difference?
@@sarcasticallyrearranged you would have to let me where you got that from. So far in the u.s I haven't found any reliable information of that being the case. As for other countries I know China is a specific country that doesn't really respect your rights in that situation however the country is starting to change that especially since people have this rights in quite a few developed countries.
@@sarcasticallyrearrangedthere's a difference between suicidal and making a descision you feel will save your child's life abd beibg charged wirh a crime for being suicidal is absolutely stupid.
I love dr. Charles explanation why they cant force her into surgery despite their own belief and knowledge of the medicine. Its also why we should normalize talking about death. Maybe if you tell the patient death is what is going to happen not might theyd listen more.
I find it’s also her communication that is terrible as a nursing student. You don’t give a pathophysiology lecture and you don’t ask if the baby was death would you accept the surgery? Very terrible. It’s her choice. It’s okay to explain the risk of refusing surgery in her case it would kill her too. But never do what she did. The ultrasound machine was working well. I know there is cases that it is an emergency and they must act now even without consent. This is a ethical thing to discuss.
I find it’s also her communication that is terrible as a nursing student. You don’t give a pathophysiology lecture and you don’t ask if the baby was death would you accept the surgery? Very terrible. It’s her choice. It’s okay to explain the risk of refusing surgery in her case it would kill her too. But never do what she did. The ultrasound machine was working well. I know there is cases that it is an emergency and they must act now even without consent. This is a ethical thing to discuss.
As a medical student, my jaw fell open watching the attitude the med student gave this doctor. In real life if a med student spoke to a doctor like that, she’d fail her rotation 😂
@@kaitlintropper2061 I know this is a show, but her people skills are seriously lacking and she's a damn med student; NOT A DOCTOR YET. Her attitude is of an arrogant, pompous person. Putting on a lab coat doesn't ENTITLE YOU to be that way!
@@christinemaggio1575 that is very true, in the pass there was lots of complain about bed siding doctor now they have to take a CASPER Test to get admitted to the med school in my country and in the USA as well. I see that with older doctors in the hospital.
It it wrong to lie even if it's to save her life. Doctors are supposed to explain you all your option with positive and negative points and let you made your decision. Even if it not they best according to their opinion everyone is entitled to choose for its own health
Doc Charles needs a show of his own. I kind of dont understand why hes not the main character. He is the most interesting one, has the most depth AND he`s the is a solid OG actor who can carry a show. So... Make it happen NBC. And Dick Wolf.
@@Dani-lc9hq chicago med, chicago pd, chicago fire, we need chicago psych Nd chicago medics Cause it's just so cringy they made paramedics be in same department as the fireman
Many years ago, an elderly woman once told me. "Chances and opportunities only happen when you are alive. Live to be able to try again or try something new. There is nothing more upsetting than lost potential and ended perseverance. Especially to those who loved you and supported you along the way."
Maybe so, for some people. But this woman obviously decided that the risk of her own death was preferable to the agony of trying to get pregnant again. No one had the right to take that decision from her. No one had the right to force their own medical decision on her. People have the right to choose when and for what reason they die.
As someone who has experienced a tubal burst due to an ectopic pregnancy, I would not wish that kind of pain on anyone, its one of the most painful and heartbreaking experiences I have ever had...
It's very unlikely for the doctors to call the embryo a "baby", specially when it's ectopic. That only encourages a reluctant patient to hold on to an unviable process.
@@arianebolt1575 an ectopic pregnancy isn't considered a miscarriage. At least that's what my friend's doctor told her when she lost one of her fallopian tubes because of it.
An embryo is considered a fetus at 8wks of development. At that stage a doctor would call it a baby because the patient was 13wks. I have been pregnant 4 times n my embryos/fetuses have always been referred to as a baby, even in the earlier weeks when I had emergency trips to the ER.
I had an ectopic pregnancy. It’s a terrifying experience and something I wouldn’t wish on anybody. I wanted my baby and was so excited. To have no option to keep your baby is soul crushing.
You are not alone. I had an ectopic as well. It crushed me to not be able to do anything to hold onto them long enough to give them a chance. I'll never fully get over the loss.. one of four we have suffered..
@@calvinallen3424 Yh but she was sus before all of it, she acts more inhuman like a machine, thus from her behaviour he could see she did something wrong also this is to put her in line, doctors are not supposed to be robots , it’s not just about saving lives
What's great about this show is how much it focuses on the emotional side of being a doctor. A lot of shows like to up ratings by inserting relationships or making the answer to the solution super abstract. But making decisions like this with moral implications is fascinating to watch with the right cast.
"A lot of shows like to up ratings by inserting relationships [...]" But...they do that. There is always some kind of relationship drama - which is super annoying (but I love a lot of characters so I watched it anyway).
As a first year nursing student (in Australia though) we’ve already had classes on this sort of thing! Theres no way a student dr should get this far and not understanding what dr charles is talking about. Yes I know its a show, but you’d be surprised how much this stuff happens irl
They put it in more as a demonstration than a reality. It's sort of like all the fringe scenarios that they have in the show, they just mainstream it for views.
I think that she did understand, but her feelings probably got in the way. She probably felt bad for the patient and really wanted to save her life regardless of what her beliefs were. She made a mistake of getting her feelings in the way instead of doing what's right.
She has no interest in becoming a practicing doctor. She is going to into medical research and development. She said as much in the episode. She went to MIT, a school more known for engineering than medicine. Yale medical and Harvard law complete the New England trifecta!
The funny thing about this is that this was never followed up on in the show. Dr. Charles said he'll be keeping an eagle eye on the girl but by the next episode, it was as if this never happened.
Ectopic pregnancy is pretty straight forward to explain to a patient. Just a tank of empathy and sympathy while explaining to the couple. Majority of the patients just need full compassion from their doctors and healthcare attendants when needing to face a difficult time/news.
@@hollythecatgirl492 How? Comment literally said to use empathy and sympathy to explain. Ectopic pregnancies are a 100% non-viable. They will never grow be born.
I think she really believed that God would move the fetus out of the artery or wherever it was and right into the womb. So incredible stupid. But when someone is that delusional there’s no reasoning with them.
In some ways I found him the most interesting character in this vid. You think at first he is gonna be way too gentle to really take her down a peg but then he said “not on my watch” 🔥
That attitude she had toward that couple, saying "Even though it may seem like a miracle things can still go wrong", it's not what she said, it's HOW she said it. Dr. Manning was put off by it, you could see it on her face. Also, the parents aren't medical experts, and they come to the hospital to find out what is going on with their baby, not to get a lecture.
These are the hardest cases, and especially to a couple that have tried for years. I had a father first begging us to “Save his miracle baby” we couldn’t, his wife was barely 12 weeks, and then it was “Please save my wife.” When he told him how serious it was. Too see a grown man crying defeated over the loss of a child he wouldn’t meet, broke my soul. It’s one of the many cases during my nursing career, that I will never forget.
It's not about playing god, it's about forcing ANY belief on someone. The option of termination should be everyone's right to choose. If a woman doesn't want to risk her life, she shouldn't have to. If a woman does want to risk her life, we shouldn't stop her. It's that simple. Forcing someone to carry a pregnancy is just as bad as forcing a termination.
The patient was demonstrably suicidal, she would have been adjudicated as deficient and she'd have had that procedure done anyway. Episode is a bit contrived in that they said she wasn't crazy.
Having experienced it for myself, I would never wish an ectopic pregnancy on anyone. It was one of the most physically painful experiences in my life. Yes, I was very depressed that I had a baby and lost it but also understood that the baby never would have survived in the first place.
It’s not that good, tbh. It’s a mess of a show. Charles is the only good part of the show. Good Doctor is much better. And an hour ago I finished a show that aired here in Canada called ‘Transplant’. BRILLIANT SHOW! Highly recommend that one.
The actress for the blonde doctor is doing a fantastic job.. i know enough doctors that behave exactly like she does in this series.. and i hate every bit of it! Wonderful acting job!
I cannot believe she was continually let back into that patient's room... I 100% agree with her on everything but how she handled it. If I were that patient, I would have told them never to let that woman in my room again after that second confrontation
@@hollythecatgirl492doctor wasn't just cruel, she conned the woman into having surgery by deliberately messing with machines and presenting false information. She is a fraud and a criminal. The hospital should have been sued by the couple. Who knows how many other patients she messed with because of her ego
@@Cutliff20professionals don't mess with medical machines to create false reports and misinform patient about their condition to perform surgery patient explicitly refused. It's exact opposite of professional and very criminal
@@kierstenjackson9579 not trying to start an argument just a convo really. What about the story of Job? Technically it wasn't God who took anything away but would u think that still applies to this argument? I'm a Christian to btw
I remember when I was trying to keep a friends morale up in the hospital while his religious grandma was refusing treatment because of "might die" and "wouldn't recommend". Later, the best doctor in the hospital came down to her room and told her straight up (paraphrased translation) "hello madam, I have the pleasure, or rather displeasure, to tell you that in 24 to 36 hours we will, as you asked, discharge you;" (he paused here then continued with a sigh) "in a casket, straight to the cemetary." Then he left. Everybody in the room (doctors and nurses included) froze in shock at the comment. I am still surprised how she didn't tank her blood pressure from that experience. She died a natural death years later, having done the surgery, after getting to see her grandson(my friend) married. Sometimes being pc doesn't get the point across
Great doctor, right up my alley 🥰 I do understand the issue of wanting, or I guess in some cases even having, to keep the patient's mental state in mind, but I have yet to hear from any medical professional who would _not_ rather tell the ugly truth straight away if "allowed", it facilitates their job _sooo_ much if they can be pretty sure that the patient fully understands the situation. It's part of why I tell any doctors that I want any good or bad news straight up.
@@misterbin00 I respect it, my daughter was 14 weeks prem so born at 26 weeks which meant I was 5 months pregnant. Her Dr was just amazing, I told him to be straight with me and niot lie at all or sugar coat anything to me. And he didn't. Which I am forever grateful to him as he prepared us for every possible side effects from been ventilated including death and brain hemorrhages causing brain damage, deafness, blindness ypu name it he told me about it !! She is now 20 and doing well and thankfully only came away with minor issues including heart and lung damage both she out grew by 8 years, learning issues due to her having 6 brain hemorrhages which killed off parts of her brain but it rewired its self eye damage so she wears glasses and she's deaf, oh and she did die three times, so as her Dr said minor issues lol
"God will take care of it" reminds me of this story: A storm descends on a small town, and the downpour soon turns into a flood. As the waters rise, the local preacher kneels in prayer on the church porch, surrounded by water. By and by, one of the townsfolk comes up the street in a canoe. "Better get in, Preacher. The waters are rising fast." "No," says the preacher. "I have faith in the Lord. He will save me." Still the waters rise. Now the preacher is up on the balcony, wringing his hands in supplication, when another guy zips up in a motorboat. "Come on, Preacher. We need to get you out of here. The levee's gonna break any minute." Once again, the preacher is unmoved. "I shall remain. The Lord will see me through." After a while the levee breaks, and the flood rushes over the church until only the steeple remains above water. The preacher is up there, clinging to the cross, when a helicopter descends out of the clouds, and a state trooper calls down to him through a megaphone. "Grab the ladder, Preacher. This is your last chance." Once again, the preacher insists the Lord will deliver him. And, predictably, he drowns. A pious man, the preacher goes to heaven. After a while he gets an interview with God, and he asks the Almighty, "Lord, I had unwavering faith in you. Why didn't you deliver me from that flood?" God shakes his head. "What did you want from me? I sent you two boats and a helicopter."
This episode is a pretty good representation of how abortion should be handled. If you consent to abortion in order to save you life, you're okay. If you want to risk it, whether it's based on religion or fertility issues or both, you are free to do so. And whenever we talk about it, we have to talk with EMPATHY. We have to listen to their struggles and imagine ourselves in their position. The situation is scary enough, you have to be gentle but clear, you have to be kind and tactful. Forcing someone to keep their pregnancy is just as bad as forcing them to terminate. The blond doctor is a great example of why we should respect beliefs, because you can explain what's happening to her body without calling out their beliefs in the process. It's probably a good idea to research their religion if youre not familiar with it in order to spin it in a more comforting way, let them know you made an effort to understand and are giving them the options that can align with their morals. Soften the pain they experience. Edit: Yall. Definition of abortion: the removal of A fetus and placenta. It doesn't matter if it's a viable pregnancy or doomed to fail, it's still an abortion. Ectopic pregnancies are one of the reasons people get the procedure. Don't be like the lady who said if that 10 year old got an abortion, then it's not an abortion. You can't just change the definition of a word. It's still AN ABORTION.
Agree wholeheartedly, personally I wouldn't have an abortion but I respect the free will of others to do so; on the flip side I also expect others to respect the wishes of those who wish to keep a pregnancy even if it doesn't seem viable...
Yeah...in this case, it's not really abortion. An ectopic pregnancy is in no way viable. In no cases can you just remove it and replant it somewhere else. The placenta is too complex to do that. These sort of "pregnancies" cause death in the mother 100% of the time if not removed. It is 100% not viable. I see no reason to respect someone's "religious beliefs" if those beliefs will endanger their very lives. In a more realistic setting, I think you'd find that several hospital staff would have found some things to lie about in order to save the idiot woman....and they would all have been perfectly fine in doing so. They would not have told her about the heartbeat afterwards. That's actually just beyond cruel, and totally unnecessary. What's done is done. You can't have a try at making another baby if you're dead.
@@sharonlynn1315 life within counts but a choice has to be made... As it takes 2 to tango... Restrict the act of creating life itself. Restrict it to a 100% and make it a government controlled act. Ensure Justice for all lives involved. No one should be able to conceive unless authorized to. If this is not enacted then don't fall on the women to bear the burden.
@@BoT001k “no one should be able to conceive unless authorized to” is eugenics. And unless you’re going to forcibly give every man a vasectomy that can only be reversed when “authorized,” it can’t be done. (Edit: typo)
The blonde doctor shouldn't have done what she did, but did Nathalie need to tell the couple that their baby's heart was still beating? I find it cruel and unnecessary, once it's done...
Well. It’s unfortunate but you can’t lie on health records. You have to tell the patient the truth. It’s one of the core values we treasure in healthcare. Even when it’s a tragic situation. There would never be a good time to tell someone there was a malfunction.
Unfortunately yes she would. Because it went against her initial wishes it's a possible lawsuit and the files would indicate a heartbeat upon surgery that the patient could see. It's sad but that's the role doctors have to play.
Personally, I love the blonde doctor after seeing her the first time here. She's blunt and no-nonsense. I cannot stand it when my specialists treat me with kids gloves. I looooove my doctor; I've had him about 25 years or so. He's more direct and explains his decision so I know what he's thinking. Again, my other specialists done care and will tiptoe around me. What's worse, is ibkbow when they are being lazy or hiding something.
These are the same types of people who won’t use selective reduction to try to make a high order multiple pregnancy more viable because they won’t “play god,” even though they had no problem “playing god” using fertility treatments to conceive. Ultimately people believe what they want to believe, even if it goes against what they claim they believe.
The blond nurses question was while morbid and sad was a valid question however lying about the fetus heartbeat and the bl fact that it was alive and lying straight to that woman’s face was the absolute worst thing she could have done.
The blonde character is a medical student, not a nurse. Nurses would not be attending with the senior doctor. Nurses provide nursing care and carry out the doctor’s instructions.
I wonder if it has something to do w liability. As far as I’m aware any doc can review another docs work. So if they didn’t tell her and another doc found out and told them the hospital could be sued. That’s my guess.
Dr. Charles is right though. No matter how much you want to save a patient, it is their body, their decision. A parent of mine is in a religion that when it comes to medical aid, they don't accept ANY kind of blood donation (iykyk) and we did have a scare once of them dying from blood loss. Eventhough my siblings and I knew giving them blood would save them, we respected their choice and told the doctors every chance they came asking, no blood. Luckily my parent survived but at the end of the day, we and their doctors respected their decision to not accept blood, eventhough they were on death's doorstep.
"there is a difference between being prepared and terrifying a sick woman" haha I have never heard anything more sickening in my 20 years as an ICU nurse... death was imminent and as a doctor it is your job to tell it like it is. not saying anything and leaving that to a student and throwing away blood that has been donated by people for people to actually survive on is horrible.
You're in the wrong profession. As a doctor and a human if you can't strike a balance, please transfer to a research position. As a nurse maybe this is above your pay grade for reason
@@vi9763 If I need a surgery to save my life, I would want them to tell me "without this, you WILL die" rather than give me some ~flowery nice~ speech.
As a doctor keeping your patient informed about everything is important, but the way you deliver that information is vital also. Here we have a doctor who wanted all the facts before they gave their patient the worst case scenario. Once the facts were known, the patient was informed and the patient made their decision. No matter how much you know, you can't force treatment on someone who doesn't want to be treated. Telling someone they are dying is just as much apart of the job as letting someone die if they don't want you to help them.
Why didn't they ever tell her that if she dies, the fetus will die too or that if she lets them save her, she'll have a chance of concieving another child? As long as she's alive, she has a chance of having another child. Why did they never tell her this?
Same here I can't stand people who believe like that and I consider myself religious as well but if a Doctor tells you, you're going to die fucking listen.
@@stevismymum5121 She obviously felt that the guarantee of death to try to give a longer life to her fetus was far more preferable to the agony of trying to get pregnant again. Whether you feel bad for him or not, no one gets to force their own medical decisions on someone else. It was her decision, and that's that. People have the right to choose when and for what purpose they die.
I don't think they explained to the patient well enough that ectopic pregnancies are unfortunately a non-starter. There isn't anything you can do to save the foetus. So that effectively eliminates the foetus from the decision whether or not to have the surgery. Her choice becomes 'Do you want to live or do you want to die?', and if she says she wants to die, then the doctors have to decide if they are willing to essentially perform an assisted suicide by watching her die painfully. You can't force someone to have a surgery when they refuse, it has to be their choice, but I don't see why they weren't clearer about this element. She was acting like the pregnancy could become viable if she waited. On another point, the whole believe that God will fix it is just so confusing. Do you believe that God purposefully made the pregnancy ectopic and will then change it for some unknown reason, or are you saying that God was sleeping on the job so the pregnancy was accidentally ectopic and he will fix the mistake? Why would you trust God to fix something that went wrong on his watch in the first place? And if you think God is going to fix your health so you ignore the recommendations of your doctors, why did you bother coming to the doctors for help anyway? I mean this more respectfully than it sounds, it's just this sort of talk about God has never really made any sense to me.
@@thatonedog819 she was dying, if the fetus stayed there she would have died. it is essentially suicide once you are aware on what is happening but refuse to fix it.
A 7 year old girl defined faith thus : 'Faith is believing something you know can not possibly be true.' Maybe that's why I was told as a child, 'Do not question your religion.' (I was raised as RC.) Reasoning can lead one away from religion. IMO, I'd rather be known for being a reasonable person.
This is one of the many, many, many reasons why I'm an atheist. If I were the doctor in this situation, and I had to let this woman die because she believed so strongly in something that didn't help her at all, I would need a lot of therapy, because even though it wouldn't be my fault, I would feel a lot of frustration and guilt.
"There was a malfunction with the ultrasound". Thats literally impossible. Its fully technologist dependent. If you dont find a heartbeat that is there on a fetus that far along its because of you. And you would absolutely be held liable for missing something like this.
I thought her husband would tell her something like "I don't wanna lose our baby, but I can't lose you" or like something about they can always try again. She could've at least listened to him
As someone who went to nursing school, it was heavily pushed that patients can refuse treatment, even if it kills them; however, I can understand the student doctor’s desire to save the woman from self-destruction (although there was no need for her to comment on anatomy vs miracles.)
I had many years of infertility and many miscarriages. I am lucky to have never experienced an ectopic, but I know the pain of losing a very wanted baby. I can understand that the blonde doctor crossed a professional line, but I cannot imagine coddling a patient trying to kill themselves to "save" a non-viable fetus. The "baby" is already dead. It cannot survive where it is and will kill you if it grows too big. I would never allow myself to die to keep a non-viable fetus alive. My life (and the life of this hypothetical patient) has value and means something. There is such a gross misunderstanding and so much misinformation about what an ectopic is. If mother dies, so does the non-viable fetus. This entire scenario was oddly handled by this show. I empathize with the gut-wrenching feeling of losing a very much wanted baby, but to blatantly ignore the opinions of doctors trying to save your life is odd behavior.
I am totally on blond doctor side. She had best intention. She respected the patient by not treating her as a dumb religious fanatic, but rather as a intelligent strong woman.
I agree. It was weird that the couple didn’t know what an ectopic pregnant was (yes I know it’s a Tv show and it’s written for dramatic effect) but when it was explained to them, did it not dawn on the mother that if she died, the baby would die too? I think the blonde doctor did what needed to be done. It’s weird to sacrifice your life for a fetus that has 0% chance to live past next week. That just means the husband suffers two losses at the same time.
@@LibertBelle-dl6xp she seemed to think that God would save them both. There's a lot of dead people who did stupid things because they thought God would protect them
@@LibertBelle-dl6xp and the thing is that the baby would never survive in the first place. Either both of them die because mom is stubborn or she lives and the remove essentially what is a parasitic body before it kills her.
@@DarkElfMairead I have a meme that says, "They said prayer would help. So we stood back and let God do our job for us. Unfortunately, the patient died."
Dr. Curry got put on blast here, but the way Dr. Manning stopped her from telling the parents about why the risk factors are still relevant was wrong too! They need to be told that they're not out of the woods yet, whether they believe it or not. It should be no difference than telling them their labwork
an experienced doctor doing something like that is already immoral and illegal, it blows my mind that a STUDENT doctor pulled a stunt like that. She jeopardized her entire medical career before she could even start it
I absolutely love this show! I just wonder if the editors noticed that at 1:08 Curry used the hand sanitizer twice when walking out of the room, first she used her left hand then her right, but Dr. Manning didn't use any sanitizer when she left the room yet she was seen rubbing her hands together like she had used it.
I appreciate the other doctors handling it this way. I don’t agree with the mother’s choice but it is her body. If a doctor can get away with this without recourse they will feel emboldened to do worse when they have more power.
everything is written in documents, every appointment, laboratory... if there is a contradiction in a medical document and the couple sue the hospital, they win the cause, alleging false information man made by health professionals.
@@stephanieniemeyer1232 transparency is essential for many reasons. In this scenario if she was going to find out from paperwork etc (as others have said) then its better to hear it upfront and direct. If there was not a paper trail etc I think that the ethics of telling her are debatable.
Nah Even if House disagree w a patients believe he'd always advocate for the patient.... I could never see House doing something this sick, I could see him trying some crazy sifi way of saving her & the baby even the Gray's Anatomy group doing finding a way to transferring the fetuses in to a simulated womb.....
@@mikilacunningham6259 what?!! Lol he would've sedated them and done it anyway😂there's literally an episode where he keeps telling her kill the baby and yes he ends up saving both, only because of cuddy. He wanted the mom to about.
@@NotMyklit is a baby a woman isnt carrying a monkey in her womb it is a human child in that womb you are denying the obvious trying to state its not a child when it 100%
8:42, this reminds me of my sister. She will stand right Infront of you and deny something she knows you saw her do and if you insist, she will cry or turn it on you like you are trying to harm her by lying about her doing it!
If the mother didn't know what an ectopic pregnancy is and that it's never viable and that bleeding internally from the damage the fetus developing in the wrong place causes, the woman *is* delusional. I would have gotten the husband more involved to persuade the patient to be realistic.
I was going to comment this show was pushing the limits to be able to tell the storyline in a way that was less morally dubious on the part of the blonde doctor, but then I read some of these comments that make it clear a lot of people don't know the difference between an ectopic pregnancy and an extreme high risk pregnancy. An ectopic pregnancy, even if there is a "heartbeat" (which isn't even really a heartbeat at that stage), has a 0% percent chance of viability. There are pregnancy complications that threaten the life of the mother but not necessarily the child, there are pregnancy complications that will make the pregnancy nonviable but still theoretically could be physically delivered if that matters to the mother, and then there is ectopic pregnancy. I don't think any of the doctors really tried to explain this.
@@Lespritdelescali The mother was holding on to the miracle of conception after trying for so long but wouldn't accept that her life was in danger (as she was slowly dying). The possibility of bearing a child became so overwhelming emotional she couldn't make what was a sound decision; she would have died and in the old days no doubt women did, religious or not. Her delusional reasoning is what creates the conflict in the storyline. The ectopic happened to a friend of mine. The situation was a bit different but the pain and internal bleeding she experienced was killing her. The first inexperienced doctor said it was constipation. Thank God she got a second opinion in time to save her life.
Give me a break, PUH_LEASE. You cannot possibly believe that it is impossible for someone to not know about ectopic pregnancy. Seriously...? Between the state of general education, and the state of political and educational, family, and faith-based, interference in female knowledge of how their bodies work, and generally telling females we're not allowed to control our own bodies, and what is done to prevent us from knowing and doing...how are you surprised that it is at least CONCEIVABLE that someone wouldn't know/understand about ectopic pregnancy and it's complications and impacts? Okay, back to real world where we acknowledge the intersections of politics, faith, education, and gender, etc. and how it can blow up a person's life and life choices.
@@Lespritdelescali a baby has a heartbeat at 5 weeks. I have had an ultrasound at that stage when I thought I was having a miscarriage twice. It is early, but at that week, the heartbeat can actually be very strong.
I am living for the gentleman who sized up Student Dr Curry but was friendly enough that he got her to talk about her career dreams… and then used all that information to clock her tea. This is a like a 3 act story all in itself
Sending prayer to anyone in this situation may the Lord help you and heal you from this situation may he give you blessing and help you heal and bring you a blessing and helps you through it all
Even before the main dilemma, she shows a lack of concern for the patient's feelings. A "miracle" though definitely originating from religion isn't even strictly religious anymore nor literal. It just means a good thing you saw as impossible to a lot of people. There's no need to correct this. Now, clearly this couple is really religious so they definitely meant in the religious sense but the doctor did not know that and to be honest it still means there's no need to correct this just in a different way. It isn't even "wrong" (well before learning the ectopic part) as it is unknowable if the baby was a miracle. It's unlikely but that's part of the idea of religion is that we can't prove any theory. But even if we knew for a matter of fact... literally who does this harm. Now obvious the ectopic part stop this all, because no one could reasonably say that a baby unable to ever be born could be a miracle and also they want to keep the baby using the miracle narrative which is harming her and could kill her. But before this, it harms no one and yet she feels the need to correct
Even then, though. She had the right to choose when and for what reason she died. No one has the right to force their personal medical decisions on someone else.
If i can be totally honest, i think its sick that people will prioritize being pregnant or having a baby over their own life. I dont understand how anyone could think "i would die in order to give birth, therefore leaving my child without me as a parent". Its not normal, and its a romanticization of happy family.
not to forget the stress it puts onto the now single father, I applaud the women who have chosen to have children whilst having complications and i applaud the men who have stood up to be a father when they have no choice.
Ikr?? Why would you leave your future offspring in a position to be raised by one parent, who will definitely be stressed out? That actually seems pretty cruel. It's still their right to choose, but I will never understand it.
because it's an emotional logic there is no reasoning. it's the pure will to reproduce... which is still dumb in my opinion choosing death over this ....
You know, instead of lying to the patient and telling them that the heartbeat wasn’t there, you could just say that if they don’t do surgery, the mom and baby will die, and then you would loose everything. And then let them know they can always get pregnant again and then you could try to figure out why she couldn’t get pregnant and then she might consent to the surgery.
@@_kittyctgamer_4571 religious people dotn want a adopted baby most of the times. They want baby that they share dna with. I ahve seen people go to lengths almost broke trying fetility treatment instead of adopting.
Jeez it's almost like some folks actually care about people and don't wanna see them suffer or die🤷🏽 gosh what's wrong these compassionate caring doctors.
Sure the Med student here *definitely* made a lot of mistakes in handling this situation... But it also seemed like she was the only one even trying explain the risks to the woman. Like, shouldn't they have gotten someone more professional and experienced to talk with her instead
Yes it wrongful birth claim. The blonde nurse has no compassion, show no bed side manner. She did save the mother life but at what cost. A woman body is still yet undetermined in medical studies. Not to mention she not the doctor but a resident not everything is textbooks. That poor mother loss her child. Her only miracle baby.
@@annawalcott7487 it wasn't a miracle baby, it wasn't a viable fetus at all. It was dead from the start because it was never gonna amount to anything but the death of itself and the mother. And no, since the machine malfunctioned and they can't prove the Curry did anything, then it's just a unfortunate circumstance. If they had neglected to tell them that the baby did in fact still have a heartbeat, then it would have been grounds for a lawsuit
@@annawalcott7487 it wasn't a miracle baby, it wasn't a viable fetus at all. It was dead from the start because it was never gonna amount to anything but the death of itself and the mother. And no, since the machine malfunctioned and they can't prove the Curry did anything, then it's just a unfortunate circumstance. If they had neglected to tell them that the baby did in fact still have a heartbeat, then it would have been grounds for a lawsuit
Gods not the type of person to be like “welp sucks for you time to die” god can do miracles unless you experience it for yourself you will be forever blinded
Honestly I wouldn't have told her in the end. Ignorance is bliss. She could have gone the rest of her life without knowing she consented to it when the baby was still alive, even if she did it unknowingly
I love Oliver Platt in this show. He seems to be the fatherly mentor to everyone and the calm in the storm of the ER. I wish it wasn’t taken off of Netflix
from the clips of this show i've seen with this Dr. Curry in them, i'm getting the feeling she's not very connected to the compassion side of being a doctor and just wants to bulldoze her way through patient care doing things her way, no compromise or listening to anyone else whatsoever.
"For 12 years, I've been wanting to bring a baby into this world..." sorry sis, you won't be bringing the kid into the world when you're dead before he gets born.
I had a friend that had an ectopic pregnancy. She is Christian & refused to abort. I spoke to her because she refused to discuss w others. I explained to her how God gave us medicine. It was not a decision to abort. But the baby died the minute it was implanted in the wrong place. It was not about faith. It was decision to live or not.
Her tube busted in the process of deciding & had surgery. She had decided to do the abortion. She held guilt because others made her feel bad for decision. But me & a couple of church leaders convinced her it was medical & not a moral issue.
@@julias2855 Removing an ectopic pregnancy is a life-saving procedure. That the embryo dies is an unfortunate consequence, not the goal. Abortion is a procedure to kill the embryo/fetus, by intent. The two should not be equated.
@@arianebolt1575 Yes. It was hard for her to see it that way. So we tried to explain it in a way that she could accept it. When ur in that position, it’s easy to b irrational. I see ur point. I said “abortion “. Ur correct.
@@arianebolt1575 THANK YOU! no one else seems to understand. Abortion is a COMPLETELY different thing, than removing an ectopic pregnancy. It seems you're the only one reasonable here.
As a student, Curry was out of line not only towards the patient but also towards Dr Charles when he chatted to her during lunch. The way she aswered his questions, the way she cut him off mid word without any apology,was so aloof and dismissive!
@@Klearith Of course we should appreciate doctors for all their hard work and expertise. But those who believe can do that while understanding that God gave them those talents to begin with, and the people themselves then developed and perfected them.
a very dark thing to happen in a hospital, when dishonesty covertly gets what a doctor wants. The psychological pain must be off the charts , when you ponder just how stressful and twisted the situation was, concerning a pregnancy.
I respect the blunt and straightforward approach here, it may not be sentimental or comforting but no matter how kind and soft one approaches this scenario, it is a horrible and painful experience. No amount of sugar coating can remove that.
Dr. House would've admired her ruthlessness and then promptly fired her.
Literally going back and forth between House and Chicago med clips and you are so right lol
Yeah exactly 😂
Exactly
@@mariahdibben4066 girl me too lol
House would have been fired, I doubt they would have even hired him
Was anyone else shocked when Doc Charles got angry lol. He’s normally so calm I’ve never seen him mad before.
That's exactly what i was thinking. You know shits real when he gets mad.
@@mattmax11 It gives me “I’m not mad, just disappointed” vibes. I would feel so bad if he got mad at me 😂😂
Absolutely. And it takes a lot to shock me these days. That was one intense scene.
I’m glad to see him go off on her very intense
I can't say I blame him. The student lied and manipulated the patient, it was very wrong of her and extremely unprofessional.
I have never seen a Medical student ever go against their superior like this. This behavior would ultimately jeopardize her career.
Ooohhhh i have lmooo its cringey to watch
Never watched this series, Stumbled on this today. When I heard she was still a med student, goin against her sup like this , I actually froze - tho I know it's TV
right! maybe she has a big ego since she is a MIT grad..
She hasn't been seen in the last 2 seasons with no explanation. Maybe it was to do with this? However when she did get Dr Charles to help a boy in a different episode and I actually liked her. It's a shame she didn't continue to learn from Dr Charles.
if you watch the whole show, you would find out that she has autism like symtpoms and lacks empathy and undersstanding
I’m surprised no one went “if you die the fetus will also die” or “if you die, you don’t even have a chance for another baby”
Yes. Agreed. Nobody really talked to the mother in an empathetic manner it seems. It was all about pushing this and not at all about bridging a MASSIVE divide in their discourse.
Exactly what I was thinking! No idea why they didn’t say that.. its the first thing I thought of.
i was thinking this too. Wouldnt the chance for another child be enough to make her stay alive? Since that seems like the only thing she cares about, bringing a child to life.
She believed the baby was a miracle and that God wouldn't give her that miracle and then take it away, so she wouldn't believe that she would die. Also after trying for 12 years she wouldn't be expecting a second 'miracle'
Because religious people - through their brain damage - believe that "gOd WiLl PrOtEcT uS" or even worse "iF i DiE hE wAnTeD mE tO aNd I aM wItH gOd".
"There's a difference between being prepared and terrifying a sick woman."
Curry's look of total confusion shows how detached she is from the compassionate side of being a doctor.
So she's a regular doc
@@NYD666 Unfortunately, yes.
To be fair, it was a perfectly reasonable question to ask, and I'm surprised the other doctors didn't ask it already. What if she passes out and the fetus dies. They should know her wishes in that very possible event.
@@grey-spark Agreed, it is a good question and irl I'm sure the doctors would ask. It was the WAY her character asked, it seemed uncaring and harsh.
You do know that she’s supposed to represent a neurodivergent character who can only rationalize and can’t be emote on the same level as an average person, right? That’s literally the point of her character in the show… Plus it is a literal show… If you watch the show, you will see that she actually gets help and learning how to help people properly
I had an ectopic pregnancy, a very wanted pregnancy. The hardest thing was having to walk through a crowd of anti abortionists screaming obscenities at me for the life saving surgery
Did they know you would die without it? I have yet to meet an anti-abortion person who would prefer both mother and child die instead of just the child.
@@robosuit I’ve met plenty. My mother had to have an abortion because she had complications with her pregnancy and it was either her or the baby, possibly both of them would have died either way. Her friends that were anti-abortion berated her and then never talked to her again because they believed she should have stuck with the pregnancy and died, and just let the father raise the baby. I have met a lot who would prefer the mother to live, but I’ve also met a lot who literally do not care
@@robosuit What kind of question is this?? It is NONE of their business why anyone is going to the clinic. Imagine having to explain to a bunch of screaming raging strangers why you're making a medical desicion...
@@SonicGlitchmaster1 wtf do you mean it didn't happen? This happened and it was horrible
@@SonicGlitchmaster1 I back you up on this... An ectopic pregnancy has to be surgically removed in an operating room in a hospital and the procedure is nothing even remotely like an abortion, it's a very serious operation and no abortion clinic could ever do the procedure. I'm not trying to be mean to Time & Spoons, I'm not a bully but I am an honest person and I experienced an Etopic Pregnancy myself so I know you are correct, there is just no way this is true and I have to say it because all these people giving sympathy for something that is impossible.
Imagine your doctor violating your trust when you're in a vulnerable position
just to add that the doctor is literally opening a chance for them to be sued for malpractice as well
@@nuzhatnayeem1119 you’re quite unintelligent
@@Damn-I.hate_bein.sober_0.0 no, that is the definition of malpractice. the doctor went against the wish of the patient even if she wants to die they can't do anything about it. The only issue is as doctor charles explained, they can't prove it. so legally they can't be charged but morally both the doctor and patient knows what they did was wrong.
@@takumi2023 just ignore the troll, really he or she is talking about itself
@@jaimeduncan6167 Emotional damage!
How hard is it to just explain the medical facts without disrespecting her beliefs? Also, you *cannot* force her into surgery. Patients are allowed to refuse even life-saving surgery.
Lol. People like you is why propaganda works. You’d just eat up whatever message a show pushes without having any thoughts of your own.
Lol. People like you is why propaganda works. You’d just eat up whatever message a show pushes without having any thoughts of your own.
@@minglifeng2862 I work in healthcare. That IS a medical fact. Patients are allowed to refuse life-saving surgery. Whether it’s due to religious beliefs, moral beliefs, or lifestyle choices, that’s their right and forcing them into a surgery they don’t consent to is a crime unless they’re under a psych order and deemed unable to make their own choices (for example someone who has depression and is actively suicidal might not have as much choice as someone who does not want a life-saving procedure because it goes against their religious beliefs).
@@emikookime1849 I am Christian, I believe Jesus (God) makes miracles of healing,, but there a reason happened, need to be strong after..
If there a life risks, I accept abortion only..
@@minglifeng2862 "People like me." Like what, exactly? People who have opinions and dare to express them?
No matter how much you want to save a patient's life, it is their own choice to accept or to deny. Working in the medical field is extremely complex and not a one decision deal.
Then why do people get 5150d without their consent? I truly don’t understand this logic and need someone to explain.
Yet in certain countries/states you'll be forced to a psych ward and charged with a crime if you try to commit suicide.
That's what she was technically doing and I also want to know the difference?
I know it’s frustrating. I definitely don’t have it in me to be a doctor
@@sarcasticallyrearranged you would have to let me where you got that from. So far in the u.s I haven't found any reliable information of that being the case. As for other countries I know China is a specific country that doesn't really respect your rights in that situation however the country is starting to change that especially since people have this rights in quite a few developed countries.
@@sarcasticallyrearrangedthere's a difference between suicidal and making a descision you feel will save your child's life abd beibg charged wirh a crime for being suicidal is absolutely stupid.
I love dr. Charles explanation why they cant force her into surgery despite their own belief and knowledge of the medicine. Its also why we should normalize talking about death. Maybe if you tell the patient death is what is going to happen not might theyd listen more.
I find it’s also her communication that is terrible as a nursing student. You don’t give a pathophysiology lecture and you don’t ask if the baby was death would you accept the surgery? Very terrible. It’s her choice. It’s okay to explain the risk of refusing surgery in her case it would kill her too. But never do what she did. The ultrasound machine was working well. I know there is cases that it is an emergency and they must act now even without consent. This is a ethical thing to discuss.
I find it’s also her communication that is terrible as a nursing student. You don’t give a pathophysiology lecture and you don’t ask if the baby was death would you accept the surgery? Very terrible. It’s her choice. It’s okay to explain the risk of refusing surgery in her case it would kill her too. But never do what she did. The ultrasound machine was working well. I know there is cases that it is an emergency and they must act now even without consent. This is a ethical thing to discuss.
Highly religious people may not have as much fear of death as other people do.
@@kaitlintropper2061 Dr Choi is very judgemental too, not everyone has a perfect bedside manner
@@pb666-fvqu1 very true
As a medical student, my jaw fell open watching the attitude the med student gave this doctor. In real life if a med student spoke to a doctor like that, she’d fail her rotation 😂
Same in nursing school.
@@kaitlintropper2061 I know this is a show, but her people skills are seriously lacking and she's a damn med student; NOT A DOCTOR YET. Her attitude is of an arrogant, pompous person. Putting on a lab coat doesn't ENTITLE YOU to be that way!
@@christinemaggio1575 that is very true, in the pass there was lots of complain about bed siding doctor now they have to take a CASPER Test to get admitted to the med school in my country and in the USA as well. I see that with older doctors in the hospital.
Failed her rotation? She would be expelled or she would repeat that one rotation till she quits med school.
@@ahjhamza5746 pending if they can prove she did something unethical. Switch Dr. Charles says he couldn’t prove it.
Regardless of what you believe, if a doctor will lie about one thing based on their own personal opinion, what ELSE will they lie about?
Not all doctors are like that.
@@nathanstorm8093 very true
It it wrong to lie even if it's to save her life. Doctors are supposed to explain you all your option with positive and negative points and let you made your decision. Even if it not they best according to their opinion everyone is entitled to choose for its own health
Doc Charles needs a show of his own. I kind of dont understand why hes not the main character. He is the most interesting one, has the most depth AND he`s the is a solid OG actor who can carry a show.
So... Make it happen NBC. And Dick Wolf.
They can, and name it Chicago Psych
Agreed!!!
@@Dani-lc9hq chicago med, chicago pd, chicago fire, we need chicago psych Nd chicago medics
Cause it's just so cringy they made paramedics be in same department as the fireman
@@ivisyung3088 Chicago Psych sounds like something I would watch in a heartbeat.
@@ivisyung3088 remember Chicago justice? I love it
Many years ago, an elderly woman once told me. "Chances and opportunities only happen when you are alive. Live to be able to try again or try something new. There is nothing more upsetting than lost potential and ended perseverance. Especially to those who loved you and supported you along the way."
I cut an pasted this to my word file so I can look at it again.
I've ended perseverance
@@2degucitas Why?
Maybe so, for some people. But this woman obviously decided that the risk of her own death was preferable to the agony of trying to get pregnant again. No one had the right to take that decision from her. No one had the right to force their own medical decision on her. People have the right to choose when and for what reason they die.
As someone who has experienced a tubal burst due to an ectopic pregnancy, I would not wish that kind of pain on anyone, its one of the most painful and heartbreaking experiences I have ever had...
Same here my sister. I wish for you nothing but happiness.
I’m very sorry you’ve experienced that 🫂
Same. I’m glad I didn’t have to choose between me and my baby. I almost died, but I didn’t have to make the choice
You *know you messed up* when Dr. Charles yells at you
It's like seeing your reflection in Garnet's Visor. You KNOW you messed up then.
It's very unlikely for the doctors to call the embryo a "baby", specially when it's ectopic. That only encourages a reluctant patient to hold on to an unviable process.
Acknowledging the loss is recommended during a miscarriage.
@@arianebolt1575 an ectopic pregnancy isn't considered a miscarriage. At least that's what my friend's doctor told her when she lost one of her fallopian tubes because of it.
An embryo is considered a fetus at 8wks of development. At that stage a doctor would call it a baby because the patient was 13wks. I have been pregnant 4 times n my embryos/fetuses have always been referred to as a baby, even in the earlier weeks when I had emergency trips to the ER.
Not true. It’s a loss and to talk callously as if it were never a soul isn’t a strategy. I’m speaking as someone who works at a children’s hospital.
@Gi Gi Do you know what fetus is latin for? I'm glad you speak a foreign dead language and all, but let's keep it real and use ENGLISH
I had an ectopic pregnancy. It’s a terrifying experience and something I wouldn’t wish on anybody. I wanted my baby and was so excited. To have no option to keep your baby is soul crushing.
You are not alone. I had an ectopic as well. It crushed me to not be able to do anything to hold onto them long enough to give them a chance. I'll never fully get over the loss.. one of four we have suffered..
I flinched, The audacity she has to ask if he’s serious
Probably the first time in her life that anyone's held her accountable.
I am totally on her side. He has no proof, she should have told him to back off or she would report him for harassment.
@@calvinallen3424 he was willing to prove it to her. The scene was an interrogation, Dr. Charles already knew.
@@calvinallen3424 Yh but she was sus before all of it, she acts more inhuman like a machine, thus from her behaviour he could see she did something wrong also this is to put her in line, doctors are not supposed to be robots , it’s not just about saving lives
@@calvinallen3424 The patient’s wishes must be respected whether the doctor agrees with them or not
What's great about this show is how much it focuses on the emotional side of being a doctor. A lot of shows like to up ratings by inserting relationships or making the answer to the solution super abstract. But making decisions like this with moral implications is fascinating to watch with the right cast.
Plus almost every episode is built off of a real case, so it adds a sense of real life expectations and weight
"A lot of shows like to up ratings by inserting relationships [...]"
But...they do that. There is always some kind of relationship drama - which is super annoying (but I love a lot of characters so I watched it anyway).
As a first year nursing student (in Australia though) we’ve already had classes on this sort of thing! Theres no way a student dr should get this far and not understanding what dr charles is talking about. Yes I know its a show, but you’d be surprised how much this stuff happens irl
That’s why this is a show not real life
They put it in more as a demonstration than a reality. It's sort of like all the fringe scenarios that they have in the show, they just mainstream it for views.
Your an aussie 👍
I think that she did understand, but her feelings probably got in the way. She probably felt bad for the patient and really wanted to save her life regardless of what her beliefs were. She made a mistake of getting her feelings in the way instead of doing what's right.
She has no interest in becoming a practicing doctor. She is going to into medical research and development. She said as much in the episode. She went to MIT, a school more known for engineering than medicine. Yale medical and Harvard law complete the New England trifecta!
Oh man... Angry Dr Charles is both scary and heartbreaking, and she had the audacity to talk back
MIT graduate thinks her intelligence trumps everything else.
@@gwens5093 Sounds like most first year kids that I work with.
@@rustyhowe3907 kids😂!?
@@charmainesayi Kids straight out college, they assure me they're adults and it's hard to stop myself from laughing.
@@rustyhowe3907 ohh🤣🤣🤣 please be easy on us “kids”🥲🤭
I have never seen dr Charles angry before.
Ikr it’s so intense when he gets angry because Doc Charles is usually so calm.
When Dr. Reese “helped” the man with OCD harm.
@@EPrimeify which episode was this? I remember watching it, but I have no clue 😭
The funny thing about this is that this was never followed up on in the show. Dr. Charles said he'll be keeping an eagle eye on the girl but by the next episode, it was as if this never happened.
@@mdotley8377 I think it’s Season 3 Episode 10 "Down By Law"
Ectopic pregnancy is pretty straight forward to explain to a patient. Just a tank of empathy and sympathy while explaining to the couple. Majority of the patients just need full compassion from their doctors and healthcare attendants when needing to face a difficult time/news.
Cold hearted 😠
@@hollythecatgirl492 How? Comment literally said to use empathy and sympathy to explain. Ectopic pregnancies are a 100% non-viable. They will never grow be born.
She believed God would help her.
I think she really believed that God would move the fetus out of the artery or wherever it was and right into the womb. So incredible stupid. But when someone is that delusional there’s no reasoning with them.
It's amazing how Dr Charles' actor can play a sweetheart and a badass and have both completely align with their character
In some ways I found him the most interesting character in this vid. You think at first he is gonna be way too gentle to really take her down a peg but then he said “not on my watch” 🔥
That attitude she had toward that couple, saying "Even though it may seem like a miracle things can still go wrong", it's not what she said, it's HOW she said it. Dr. Manning was put off by it, you could see it on her face. Also, the parents aren't medical experts, and they come to the hospital to find out what is going on with their baby, not to get a lecture.
These are the hardest cases, and especially to a couple that have tried for years. I had a father first begging us to “Save his miracle baby” we couldn’t, his wife was barely 12 weeks, and then it was “Please save my wife.” When he told him how serious it was. Too see a grown man crying defeated over the loss of a child he wouldn’t meet, broke my soul. It’s one of the many cases during my nursing career, that I will never forget.
This episode is a good example that shows that doctors don't get to play god and overpower the patient's rights.
But house does😂😂
you mean being patternalist?
It's not about playing god, it's about forcing ANY belief on someone. The option of termination should be everyone's right to choose. If a woman doesn't want to risk her life, she shouldn't have to. If a woman does want to risk her life, we shouldn't stop her. It's that simple. Forcing someone to carry a pregnancy is just as bad as forcing a termination.
Dr. House is sweating
The patient was demonstrably suicidal, she would have been adjudicated as deficient and she'd have had that procedure done anyway. Episode is a bit contrived in that they said she wasn't crazy.
I thought this doc was just a come & go case... Never knew she had such serious part in Chicago Med
@Charlie Gibb she’s still on the show, they just dont show her much. But there’s gonna be a season 8 so she probably gonna be shown more.
Having experienced it for myself, I would never wish an ectopic pregnancy on anyone. It was one of the most physically painful experiences in my life. Yes, I was very depressed that I had a baby and lost it but also understood that the baby never would have survived in the first place.
Most basic rule of Chicago Med: Don't argue with Dr Charles
I need to watch this show ASAP! Oliver Platt is so good and every single highlight of Chicago MEd that they show on this channel is soo good!
It’s finally on Netflix 😊I’m with you all the way lol. Every clip is so good. Love Oliver so much in everything.
I think they took it off Netflix a few days ago sadly. Or they're a out to I think on the 26th.
It’s not that good, tbh. It’s a mess of a show. Charles is the only good part of the show. Good Doctor is much better.
And an hour ago I finished a show that aired here in Canada called ‘Transplant’. BRILLIANT SHOW! Highly recommend that one.
its only good for like the first 3 seasons. bingeable but things wont go the way you want it
If you wanna watch it for free, Peacock has it
The actress for the blonde doctor is doing a fantastic job.. i know enough doctors that behave exactly like she does in this series.. and i hate every bit of it! Wonderful acting job!
I cannot believe she was continually let back into that patient's room... I 100% agree with her on everything but how she handled it. If I were that patient, I would have told them never to let that woman in my room again after that second confrontation
I never thought doctors could be so cruel
Sheis not cruel, she says what is going on.
@@hollythecatgirl492doctor wasn't just cruel, she conned the woman into having surgery by deliberately messing with machines and presenting false information.
She is a fraud and a criminal. The hospital should have been sued by the couple. Who knows how many other patients she messed with because of her ego
@@insciencewetrust8829 honesty without kindness is cruelty
That's one of the biggest problems in the medical system: facts and rationality are important, but so is compassion and empathy.
And, so is INFORMED consent....
@@abbynormal4740 exactly
Currey is super smart but she doesn't have the people skills to be a doctor.
She's too professional. But she isn't a people person.
So?
@@janeflip1what are you even saying “so?” to
@@Cutliff20professionals don't mess with medical machines to create false reports and misinform patient about their condition to perform surgery patient explicitly refused.
It's exact opposite of professional and very criminal
No
'This baby was from God, he's not gonna just take it back."
I see someone forgot that "The Lord giveth and taketh away."
The lord does not take away unborn babies thats not how god works
That’s very true. I think that is someone is difficult situation really setting themselves up for a lot of hurt. & I’m a Christian
That does not apply in this situation. God doesn’t take things from you unless you did something to deserve it.
@@kierstenjackson9579 not trying to start an argument just a convo really. What about the story of Job? Technically it wasn't God who took anything away but would u think that still applies to this argument? I'm a Christian to btw
@@amanabookclub4198 God let the Devil sift Job, only not kill him. God is righteous still
I remember when I was trying to keep a friends morale up in the hospital while his religious grandma was refusing treatment because of "might die" and "wouldn't recommend". Later, the best doctor in the hospital came down to her room and told her straight up (paraphrased translation) "hello madam, I have the pleasure, or rather displeasure, to tell you that in 24 to 36 hours we will, as you asked, discharge you;" (he paused here then continued with a sigh) "in a casket, straight to the cemetary." Then he left. Everybody in the room (doctors and nurses included) froze in shock at the comment. I am still surprised how she didn't tank her blood pressure from that experience. She died a natural death years later, having done the surgery, after getting to see her grandson(my friend) married.
Sometimes being pc doesn't get the point across
Great doctor, right up my alley 🥰
I do understand the issue of wanting, or I guess in some cases even having, to keep the patient's mental state in mind, but I have yet to hear from any medical professional who would _not_ rather tell the ugly truth straight away if "allowed", it facilitates their job _sooo_ much if they can be pretty sure that the patient fully understands the situation. It's part of why I tell any doctors that I want any good or bad news straight up.
That's Dr. House level of savagery 🤣
Never thought somebody would actually go for it
@@misterbin00 I respect it, my daughter was 14 weeks prem so born at 26 weeks which meant I was 5 months pregnant. Her Dr was just amazing, I told him to be straight with me and niot lie at all or sugar coat anything to me. And he didn't. Which I am forever grateful to him as he prepared us for every possible side effects from been ventilated including death and brain hemorrhages causing brain damage, deafness, blindness ypu name it he told me about it !! She is now 20 and doing well and thankfully only came away with minor issues including heart and lung damage both she out grew by 8 years, learning issues due to her having 6 brain hemorrhages which killed off parts of her brain but it rewired its self eye damage so she wears glasses and she's deaf, oh and she did die three times, so as her Dr said minor issues lol
"God will take care of it" reminds me of this story:
A storm descends on a small town, and the downpour soon turns into a flood. As the waters rise, the local preacher kneels in prayer on the church porch, surrounded by water. By and by, one of the townsfolk comes up the street in a canoe.
"Better get in, Preacher. The waters are rising fast."
"No," says the preacher. "I have faith in the Lord. He will save me."
Still the waters rise. Now the preacher is up on the balcony, wringing his hands in supplication, when another guy zips up in a motorboat.
"Come on, Preacher. We need to get you out of here. The levee's gonna break any minute."
Once again, the preacher is unmoved. "I shall remain. The Lord will see me through."
After a while the levee breaks, and the flood rushes over the church until only the steeple remains above water. The preacher is up there, clinging to the cross, when a helicopter descends out of
the clouds, and a state trooper calls down to him through a megaphone.
"Grab the ladder, Preacher. This is your last chance."
Once again, the preacher insists the Lord will deliver him.
And, predictably, he drowns.
A pious man, the preacher goes to heaven. After a while he gets an interview with God, and he asks the Almighty, "Lord, I had unwavering faith in you. Why didn't you deliver me from that flood?"
God shakes his head. "What did you want from me? I sent you two boats and a helicopter."
Faith without works is dead.
This episode is a pretty good representation of how abortion should be handled. If you consent to abortion in order to save you life, you're okay. If you want to risk it, whether it's based on religion or fertility issues or both, you are free to do so. And whenever we talk about it, we have to talk with EMPATHY. We have to listen to their struggles and imagine ourselves in their position. The situation is scary enough, you have to be gentle but clear, you have to be kind and tactful. Forcing someone to keep their pregnancy is just as bad as forcing them to terminate. The blond doctor is a great example of why we should respect beliefs, because you can explain what's happening to her body without calling out their beliefs in the process. It's probably a good idea to research their religion if youre not familiar with it in order to spin it in a more comforting way, let them know you made an effort to understand and are giving them the options that can align with their morals. Soften the pain they experience.
Edit: Yall. Definition of abortion: the removal of A fetus and placenta. It doesn't matter if it's a viable pregnancy or doomed to fail, it's still an abortion. Ectopic pregnancies are one of the reasons people get the procedure. Don't be like the lady who said if that 10 year old got an abortion, then it's not an abortion. You can't just change the definition of a word. It's still AN ABORTION.
Agree wholeheartedly, personally I wouldn't have an abortion but I respect the free will of others to do so; on the flip side I also expect others to respect the wishes of those who wish to keep a pregnancy even if it doesn't seem viable...
Yeah...in this case, it's not really abortion.
An ectopic pregnancy is in no way viable. In no cases can you just remove it and replant it somewhere else. The placenta is too complex to do that.
These sort of "pregnancies" cause death in the mother 100% of the time if not removed. It is 100% not viable.
I see no reason to respect someone's "religious beliefs" if those beliefs will endanger their very lives.
In a more realistic setting, I think you'd find that several hospital staff would have found some things to lie about in order to save the idiot woman....and they would all have been perfectly fine in doing so. They would not have told her about the heartbeat afterwards. That's actually just beyond cruel, and totally unnecessary.
What's done is done.
You can't have a try at making another baby if you're dead.
@@tesshagensieker1700 if you accept the free will of others what about the life within
@@sharonlynn1315 life within counts but a choice has to be made... As it takes 2 to tango... Restrict the act of creating life itself. Restrict it to a 100% and make it a government controlled act. Ensure Justice for all lives involved. No one should be able to conceive unless authorized to. If this is not enacted then don't fall on the women to bear the burden.
@@BoT001k “no one should be able to conceive unless authorized to” is eugenics. And unless you’re going to forcibly give every man a vasectomy that can only be reversed when “authorized,” it can’t be done.
(Edit: typo)
The blonde doctor shouldn't have done what she did, but did Nathalie need to tell the couple that their baby's heart was still beating? I find it cruel and unnecessary, once it's done...
I agree with you ethically but legally patients must be informed despite of whether it will or wont have any present or future impact
Well. It’s unfortunate but you can’t lie on health records. You have to tell the patient the truth. It’s one of the core values we treasure in healthcare. Even when it’s a tragic situation. There would never be a good time to tell someone there was a malfunction.
Unfortunately yes she would. Because it went against her initial wishes it's a possible lawsuit and the files would indicate a heartbeat upon surgery that the patient could see. It's sad but that's the role doctors have to play.
Personally, I love the blonde doctor after seeing her the first time here. She's blunt and no-nonsense. I cannot stand it when my specialists treat me with kids gloves. I looooove my doctor; I've had him about 25 years or so. He's more direct and explains his decision so I know what he's thinking. Again, my other specialists done care and will tiptoe around me. What's worse, is ibkbow when they are being lazy or hiding something.
It's unethical to continue the lie, Charles and Nathalie made the right call and i respect that neither of them hesitated to do the right thing.
“And god will take care of it” honey, looks like he’s already working on that. Get the damn surgery
😂 for real though.
These are the same types of people who won’t use selective reduction to try to make a high order multiple pregnancy more viable because they won’t “play god,” even though they had no problem “playing god” using fertility treatments to conceive.
Ultimately people believe what they want to believe, even if it goes against what they claim they believe.
I always liked doctor Charles but after this episode I was wowed at his performance.
The blond nurses question was while morbid and sad was a valid question however lying about the fetus heartbeat and the bl fact that it was alive and lying straight to that woman’s face was the absolute worst thing she could have done.
The blonde character is a medical student, not a nurse. Nurses would not be attending with the senior doctor. Nurses provide nursing care and carry out the doctor’s instructions.
She’s a doctor
Man to hear Dr. Charles raise his voice like that is frightening eventhough he had every right to do so
Why would they tell her....that makes no sense to torture her mentally....
I wonder if it has something to do w liability. As far as I’m aware any doc can review another docs work. So if they didn’t tell her and another doc found out and told them the hospital could be sued. That’s my guess.
@@jules3048not only could the hospital be sued, the medical student could be arrested. What she did was highly illegal.
@@hippiemama52 I have no doubt
since she is choosing to refuse the surgery, go home. why stay at the hospital.
Because she has the legal right to decline and try something else?
Dr. Charles is right though. No matter how much you want to save a patient, it is their body, their decision. A parent of mine is in a religion that when it comes to medical aid, they don't accept ANY kind of blood donation (iykyk) and we did have a scare once of them dying from blood loss. Eventhough my siblings and I knew giving them blood would save them, we respected their choice and told the doctors every chance they came asking, no blood. Luckily my parent survived but at the end of the day, we and their doctors respected their decision to not accept blood, eventhough they were on death's doorstep.
That's true
They're one of Jehovah's Witnesses huh :)
Thank you for respecting us.
@Dru Baxter exactly
@Dru Baxter It’s leaving the outcome to God/fate/nature. Suicide is a direct act.
Thank goodness, Dr Charles gave it to her on her face. At the end. Good to see him raising his voice afterall
"there is a difference between being prepared and terrifying a sick woman" haha I have never heard anything more sickening in my 20 years as an ICU nurse... death was imminent and as a doctor it is your job to tell it like it is. not saying anything and leaving that to a student and throwing away blood that has been donated by people for people to actually survive on is horrible.
You're in the wrong profession. As a doctor and a human if you can't strike a balance, please transfer to a research position. As a nurse maybe this is above your pay grade for reason
@@vi9763 I would much rather my doctor be honest than nice.
@@vi9763 If I need a surgery to save my life, I would want them to tell me "without this, you WILL die" rather than give me some ~flowery nice~ speech.
I agree that lady was being very delusional and delusion can’t save you or the baby
As a doctor keeping your patient informed about everything is important, but the way you deliver that information is vital also. Here we have a doctor who wanted all the facts before they gave their patient the worst case scenario. Once the facts were known, the patient was informed and the patient made their decision. No matter how much you know, you can't force treatment on someone who doesn't want to be treated. Telling someone they are dying is just as much apart of the job as letting someone die if they don't want you to help them.
Why didn't they ever tell her that if she dies, the fetus will die too or that if she lets them save her, she'll have a chance of concieving another child? As long as she's alive, she has a chance of having another child. Why did they never tell her this?
I wondered that too.
I feel bad for the husband in this situation.
I do too because she is not thinking about him. She is honestly being selfish. My husband hates this.
Because he would loose both of them, they cld have a child another way if she survived
Same here I can't stand people who believe like that and I consider myself religious as well but if a Doctor tells you, you're going to die fucking listen.
@@stevismymum5121 She obviously felt that the guarantee of death to try to give a longer life to her fetus was far more preferable to the agony of trying to get pregnant again. Whether you feel bad for him or not, no one gets to force their own medical decisions on someone else. It was her decision, and that's that. People have the right to choose when and for what purpose they die.
@@stevismymum5121 3 years of struggling is a sign that one of them struggles with fertility issues. She may not get pregnant again
I don't think they explained to the patient well enough that ectopic pregnancies are unfortunately a non-starter. There isn't anything you can do to save the foetus. So that effectively eliminates the foetus from the decision whether or not to have the surgery. Her choice becomes 'Do you want to live or do you want to die?', and if she says she wants to die, then the doctors have to decide if they are willing to essentially perform an assisted suicide by watching her die painfully. You can't force someone to have a surgery when they refuse, it has to be their choice, but I don't see why they weren't clearer about this element. She was acting like the pregnancy could become viable if she waited.
On another point, the whole believe that God will fix it is just so confusing. Do you believe that God purposefully made the pregnancy ectopic and will then change it for some unknown reason, or are you saying that God was sleeping on the job so the pregnancy was accidentally ectopic and he will fix the mistake? Why would you trust God to fix something that went wrong on his watch in the first place? And if you think God is going to fix your health so you ignore the recommendations of your doctors, why did you bother coming to the doctors for help anyway? I mean this more respectfully than it sounds, it's just this sort of talk about God has never really made any sense to me.
It's not assisted suicide, it's refusal of care. But I agree.
@@thatonedog819 she was dying, if the fetus stayed there she would have died. it is essentially suicide once you are aware on what is happening but refuse to fix it.
Finally a good explication of the situation. I totally agree!
A 7 year old girl defined faith thus : 'Faith is believing something you know can not possibly be true.' Maybe that's why I was told as a child, 'Do not question your religion.' (I was raised as RC.) Reasoning can lead one away from religion. IMO, I'd rather be known for being a reasonable person.
This is one of the many, many, many reasons why I'm an atheist. If I were the doctor in this situation, and I had to let this woman die because she believed so strongly in something that didn't help her at all, I would need a lot of therapy, because even though it wouldn't be my fault, I would feel a lot of frustration and guilt.
"There was a malfunction with the ultrasound". Thats literally impossible. Its fully technologist dependent. If you dont find a heartbeat that is there on a fetus that far along its because of you. And you would absolutely be held liable for missing something like this.
I thought her husband would tell her something like "I don't wanna lose our baby, but I can't lose you" or like something about they can always try again. She could've at least listened to him
As someone who went to nursing school, it was heavily pushed that patients can refuse treatment, even if it kills them; however, I can understand the student doctor’s desire to save the woman from self-destruction (although there was no need for her to comment on anatomy vs miracles.)
everyone has their right to deny medical treatment but if you don't want it you can't be wasting precious time and resources at the hospital
I had many years of infertility and many miscarriages. I am lucky to have never experienced an ectopic, but I know the pain of losing a very wanted baby. I can understand that the blonde doctor crossed a professional line, but I cannot imagine coddling a patient trying to kill themselves to "save" a non-viable fetus. The "baby" is already dead. It cannot survive where it is and will kill you if it grows too big. I would never allow myself to die to keep a non-viable fetus alive. My life (and the life of this hypothetical patient) has value and means something. There is such a gross misunderstanding and so much misinformation about what an ectopic is. If mother dies, so does the non-viable fetus. This entire scenario was oddly handled by this show. I empathize with the gut-wrenching feeling of losing a very much wanted baby, but to blatantly ignore the opinions of doctors trying to save your life is odd behavior.
I am totally on blond doctor side. She had best intention. She respected the patient by not treating her as a dumb religious fanatic, but rather as a intelligent strong woman.
I agree. It was weird that the couple didn’t know what an ectopic pregnant was (yes I know it’s a Tv show and it’s written for dramatic effect) but when it was explained to them, did it not dawn on the mother that if she died, the baby would die too? I think the blonde doctor did what needed to be done. It’s weird to sacrifice your life for a fetus that has 0% chance to live past next week. That just means the husband suffers two losses at the same time.
@@LibertBelle-dl6xp she seemed to think that God would save them both. There's a lot of dead people who did stupid things because they thought God would protect them
@@LibertBelle-dl6xp and the thing is that the baby would never survive in the first place. Either both of them die because mom is stubborn or she lives and the remove essentially what is a parasitic body before it kills her.
@@DarkElfMairead I have a meme that says, "They said prayer would help. So we stood back and let God do our job for us. Unfortunately, the patient died."
“Where beliefs end and reality begins” is such a deep line.
Dr. Curry got put on blast here, but the way Dr. Manning stopped her from telling the parents about why the risk factors are still relevant was wrong too!
They need to be told that they're not out of the woods yet, whether they believe it or not. It should be no difference than telling them their labwork
She made the decision and the doctor should have respected that
In real life a med student with this behavior would never be tolerated.
an experienced doctor doing something like that is already immoral and illegal, it blows my mind that a STUDENT doctor pulled a stunt like that. She jeopardized her entire medical career before she could even start it
I absolutely love this show!
I just wonder if the editors noticed that at 1:08 Curry used the hand sanitizer twice when walking out of the room, first she used her left hand then her right, but Dr. Manning didn't use any sanitizer when she left the room yet she was seen rubbing her hands together like she had used it.
I appreciate the other doctors handling it this way. I don’t agree with the mother’s choice but it is her body. If a doctor can get away with this without recourse they will feel emboldened to do worse when they have more power.
Why tell her about the 'faulty ultrasound machine'? It will cause a lot of harm and won't bring any good.
Because transparency.
By law they have to incase she has further complications from termination/pregnancy plus it's the right thing to do, morally
everything is written in documents, every appointment, laboratory... if there is a contradiction in a medical document and the couple sue the hospital, they win the cause, alleging false information man made by health professionals.
@@stephanieniemeyer1232 transparency is essential for many reasons. In this scenario if she was going to find out from paperwork etc (as others have said) then its better to hear it upfront and direct.
If there was not a paper trail etc I think that the ethics of telling her are debatable.
Are you serious?
It is very dangerous for a Doctor or even someone training to be a doctor to not have a heart.
😂😂😂😂 good one
She needs to go work for house, he’d love her ❤️ 😂🤣🤣
😂😂He'd hate her. They're the same
@@rickmorty7284 he’d hate her BUT he’d respect her
Nah
Even if House disagree w a patients believe he'd always advocate for the patient.... I could never see House doing something this sick, I could see him trying some crazy sifi way of saving her & the baby even the Gray's Anatomy group doing finding a way to transferring the fetuses in to a simulated womb.....
@@mikilacunningham6259 what?!! Lol he would've sedated them and done it anyway😂there's literally an episode where he keeps telling her kill the baby and yes he ends up saving both, only because of cuddy. He wanted the mom to about.
My first pregnancy was ectopic and it was so painful to consent to getting the methrotrexate shot. There was nothing I could do for the baby. 😞
it wasn't a baby at that time. Embryo, zygote, fetus then a baby AFTER birth.
I am sorry for your loss 🥺
@@NotMyklit is a baby a woman isnt carrying a monkey in her womb it is a human child in that womb you are denying the obvious trying to state its not a child when it 100%
@@NotMykl wrong
@@NotMykl in terms of science, sure. but to a mother who wanted that future child and couldnt have it? let her call it what ever she wants
8:42, this reminds me of my sister. She will stand right Infront of you and deny something she knows you saw her do and if you insist, she will cry or turn it on you like you are trying to harm her by lying about her doing it!
If the mother didn't know what an ectopic pregnancy is and that it's never viable and that bleeding internally from the damage the fetus developing in the wrong place causes, the woman *is* delusional. I would have gotten the husband more involved to persuade the patient to be realistic.
I was going to comment this show was pushing the limits to be able to tell the storyline in a way that was less morally dubious on the part of the blonde doctor, but then I read some of these comments that make it clear a lot of people don't know the difference between an ectopic pregnancy and an extreme high risk pregnancy. An ectopic pregnancy, even if there is a "heartbeat" (which isn't even really a heartbeat at that stage), has a 0% percent chance of viability. There are pregnancy complications that threaten the life of the mother but not necessarily the child, there are pregnancy complications that will make the pregnancy nonviable but still theoretically could be physically delivered if that matters to the mother, and then there is ectopic pregnancy. I don't think any of the doctors really tried to explain this.
@@Lespritdelescali The mother was holding on to the miracle of conception after trying for so long but wouldn't accept that her life was in danger (as she was slowly dying). The possibility of bearing a child became so overwhelming emotional she couldn't make what was a sound decision; she would have died and in the old days no doubt women did, religious or not. Her delusional reasoning is what creates the conflict in the storyline.
The ectopic happened to a friend of mine. The situation was a bit different but the pain and internal bleeding she experienced was killing her. The first inexperienced doctor said it was constipation. Thank God she got a second opinion in time to save her life.
Give me a break, PUH_LEASE. You cannot possibly believe that it is impossible for someone to not know about ectopic pregnancy. Seriously...? Between the state of general education, and the state of political and educational, family, and faith-based, interference in female knowledge of how their bodies work, and generally telling females we're not allowed to control our own bodies, and what is done to prevent us from knowing and doing...how are you surprised that it is at least CONCEIVABLE that someone wouldn't know/understand about ectopic pregnancy and it's complications and impacts? Okay, back to real world where we acknowledge the intersections of politics, faith, education, and gender, etc. and how it can blow up a person's life and life choices.
@@Lespritdelescali 13 weeks is a heartbeat. It's cardiac muscle contracting in a coordinated manner forcing blood around the body.
@@Lespritdelescali a baby has a heartbeat at 5 weeks. I have had an ultrasound at that stage when I thought I was having a miscarriage twice. It is early, but at that week, the heartbeat can actually be very strong.
I am living for the gentleman who sized up Student Dr Curry but was friendly enough that he got her to talk about her career dreams… and then used all that information to clock her tea.
This is a like a 3 act story all in itself
Sending prayer to anyone in this situation may the Lord help you and heal you from this situation may he give you blessing and help you heal and bring you a blessing and helps you through it all
Even before the main dilemma, she shows a lack of concern for the patient's feelings. A "miracle" though definitely originating from religion isn't even strictly religious anymore nor literal. It just means a good thing you saw as impossible to a lot of people. There's no need to correct this. Now, clearly this couple is really religious so they definitely meant in the religious sense but the doctor did not know that and to be honest it still means there's no need to correct this just in a different way. It isn't even "wrong" (well before learning the ectopic part) as it is unknowable if the baby was a miracle. It's unlikely but that's part of the idea of religion is that we can't prove any theory. But even if we knew for a matter of fact... literally who does this harm. Now obvious the ectopic part stop this all, because no one could reasonably say that a baby unable to ever be born could be a miracle and also they want to keep the baby using the miracle narrative which is harming her and could kill her. But before this, it harms no one and yet she feels the need to correct
Even then, though. She had the right to choose when and for what reason she died. No one has the right to force their personal medical decisions on someone else.
Dr.Charles going from calm to stern in seconds is epic.
I would have made sure she never practiced medicine again. If this how she is as a student I wouldn’t want her near me as a doctor.
If i can be totally honest, i think its sick that people will prioritize being pregnant or having a baby over their own life. I dont understand how anyone could think "i would die in order to give birth, therefore leaving my child without me as a parent". Its not normal, and its a romanticization of happy family.
not to forget the stress it puts onto the now single father, I applaud the women who have chosen to have children whilst having complications and i applaud the men who have stood up to be a father when they have no choice.
Ikr?? Why would you leave your future offspring in a position to be raised by one parent, who will definitely be stressed out?
That actually seems pretty cruel.
It's still their right to choose, but I will never understand it.
because it's an emotional logic there is no reasoning. it's the pure will to reproduce... which is still dumb in my opinion choosing death over this ....
Isn't that the logic of "her body, her choice"?
They always forgot the option to adopt do they? If looking after a child is that important, there are a lot of other options
You know, instead of lying to the patient and telling them that the heartbeat wasn’t there, you could just say that if they don’t do surgery, the mom and baby will die, and then you would loose everything. And then let them know they can always get pregnant again and then you could try to figure out why she couldn’t get pregnant and then she might consent to the surgery.
There’s also adoption and surrogacy options too I wish the doctors told her that as well
They did tell her that. But she didn't believe them. She thought 'God' would save her 'miracle' baby.
They'd been trying for twelve years. I think they had all the tests and other options on the table.
They did say if they didn’t do surgery, you’ll both die
@@_kittyctgamer_4571 religious people dotn want a adopted baby most of the times. They want baby that they share dna with. I ahve seen people go to lengths almost broke trying fetility treatment instead of adopting.
It literally doesn't matter what she believes or why. It's her body, it's her coice. Why is that so hard for doctors to understand?
Jeez it's almost like some folks actually care about people and don't wanna see them suffer or die🤷🏽 gosh what's wrong these compassionate caring doctors.
Sure the Med student here *definitely* made a lot of mistakes in handling this situation... But it also seemed like she was the only one even trying explain the risks to the woman. Like, shouldn't they have gotten someone more professional and experienced to talk with her instead
Well she was right. Ectopic pregnancies are a no go
4:17 nope. You do not disrespect a senior like that. Even a year of seniority is more than handful in this profession.
Can the couple sue the hospital in this case?
I think they can but they would have to get proof that the blonde woman really did it on her behalf.
Yep
Yes it wrongful birth claim.
The blonde nurse has no compassion, show no bed side manner. She did save the mother life but at what cost. A woman body is still yet undetermined in medical studies. Not to mention she not the doctor but a resident not everything is textbooks. That poor mother loss her child. Her only miracle baby.
@@annawalcott7487 it wasn't a miracle baby, it wasn't a viable fetus at all. It was dead from the start because it was never gonna amount to anything but the death of itself and the mother. And no, since the machine malfunctioned and they can't prove the Curry did anything, then it's just a unfortunate circumstance. If they had neglected to tell them that the baby did in fact still have a heartbeat, then it would have been grounds for a lawsuit
@@annawalcott7487 it wasn't a miracle baby, it wasn't a viable fetus at all. It was dead from the start because it was never gonna amount to anything but the death of itself and the mother. And no, since the machine malfunctioned and they can't prove the Curry did anything, then it's just a unfortunate circumstance. If they had neglected to tell them that the baby did in fact still have a heartbeat, then it would have been grounds for a lawsuit
'god will take care of it" lmaooo god will be taking your life. 😭
Yes and some people are honestly fine with that. We're not suicidal but we're also not afraid of die. If it's our time, it's our time.
@@LxstinNeverland Passively suicidal.
@@xtinkerbellax3 Acceptance of death isn't suicidal. Rejection of death is delusional.
Gods not the type of person to be like “welp sucks for you time to die” god can do miracles unless you experience it for yourself you will be forever blinded
@@midnight_x_edits I'm an agnostic so I don't even believe in your statement
Honestly I wouldn't have told her in the end. Ignorance is bliss. She could have gone the rest of her life without knowing she consented to it when the baby was still alive, even if she did it unknowingly
Yes I don’t get it why tell her
Because patients have rights
I love Oliver Platt in this show. He seems to be the fatherly mentor to everyone and the calm in the storm of the ER. I wish it wasn’t taken off of Netflix
Which Netflix has it been taken off??
@@jojo23008 the US version. It left a few days ago
@@sarahkinsey5434 Okay just wondering because it’s still on Netflix in the UK
@@jojo23008 Aw man. How many seasons? There were five when it left
@@sarahkinsey5434 Only four seasons on UK Netflix :(
from the clips of this show i've seen with this Dr. Curry in them, i'm getting the feeling she's not very connected to the compassion side of being a doctor and just wants to bulldoze her way through patient care doing things her way, no compromise or listening to anyone else whatsoever.
This is the most interesting of all the medical shows episodes, not just Chicago Med. Charles is an interesting character.
"For 12 years, I've been wanting to bring a baby into this world..."
sorry sis, you won't be bringing the kid into the world when you're dead before he gets born.
Ya😢
The student doctor must have trained in Grey's anatomy
I love the actress because she portrays a character that you love to hate so well
I had a friend that had an ectopic pregnancy. She is Christian & refused to abort.
I spoke to her because she refused to discuss w others.
I explained to her how God gave us medicine.
It was not a decision to abort. But the baby died the minute it was implanted in the wrong place. It was not about faith. It was decision to live or not.
What ended up happening in the end?
Her tube busted in the process of deciding & had surgery.
She had decided to do the abortion. She held guilt because others made her feel bad for decision.
But me & a couple of church leaders convinced her it was medical & not a moral issue.
@@julias2855 Removing an ectopic pregnancy is a life-saving procedure. That the embryo dies is an unfortunate consequence, not the goal. Abortion is a procedure to kill the embryo/fetus, by intent. The two should not be equated.
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Yes. It was hard for her to see it that way. So we tried to explain it in a way that she could accept it.
When ur in that position, it’s easy to b irrational.
I see ur point. I said “abortion “.
Ur correct.
@@arianebolt1575 THANK YOU! no one else seems to understand. Abortion is a COMPLETELY different thing, than removing an ectopic pregnancy. It seems you're the only one reasonable here.
Her and Dr. House would get along.
No wrong cuz Dr. House would be yelling at her and she just rigged the machine.
Why didn’t a doctor say “if you die then so does the fetus”? And “if you die then you don’t get to have another chance to have another baby”?
As a student, Curry was out of line not only towards the patient but also towards Dr Charles when he chatted to her during lunch. The way she aswered his questions, the way she cut him off mid word without any apology,was so aloof and dismissive!
Couldn't they have just told her if she dies the baby dies too? Literally wtf the baby gonna survive off of if her body is just bleeding and dying?
They did, she just claimed god would do magic or whatever.
"This baby is a miracle and God will take care of it"
Then why the flip did you come to a hospital!
Sometimes God works through people. If you knew anything about God, you'd understand that.
@@AS-yz2iz well, not everyone believes in God, and i think we should appreciate doctors for who they are and not like their some tool of God.
@@Klearith Of course we should appreciate doctors for all their hard work and expertise. But those who believe can do that while understanding that God gave them those talents to begin with, and the people themselves then developed and perfected them.
@@AS-yz2iz religion is created to control large populations of people. It's also a coping mechanism
Religion really outstayed it's welcome. Maybe it got us through some tough situations, but now it only ruins lives and makes people delusional.
"This baby is a miracle and God will take care of it.." right up to the minute she dies of sepsis.
Actually, she would have bled to d3ath before sepsis set in
Those kinds of people are crazy
Omg. You know it's bad if Dr Charles is getting angry like that
a very dark thing to happen in a hospital, when dishonesty covertly gets what a doctor wants. The psychological pain must be off the charts , when you ponder just how stressful and twisted the situation was, concerning a pregnancy.
I don't understand the mother in this case insisting on carrying on, if her dying would also mean the baby dying, so what would be the point?
She believed her faith in God would ensure her and her baby’s survival.
I respect the blunt and straightforward approach here, it may not be sentimental or comforting but no matter how kind and soft one approaches this scenario, it is a horrible and painful experience. No amount of sugar coating can remove that.