That's a term I never use but it felt so proper in this situation so I left pretty much the same comment, Blade is a real one and then scrolled down to see the exact same term already used. Must be true then.
Funny enough it actually happened occasionally last time Liliana of the Veil was in standard too. Back then with Zealous Conscripts since they both released in the same block.
I've been playing a similar list a lot. Casting a small doppelgang on Spelunking and Arid Archway is such a power play to set up second doppelgang etc. Example, Doppelgang x=2, target spelunking and arid archway, make two arid archway tokens, returning two lands you tapped to pay for the doppelgang (hopefully deserts) to hand, spelunkings enter, draw you cards, and let you put your bounced lands back into play untapped, ramp 4, surveil 2, draw 2, potentially surveil 2 more, and since the lands are untapped, you can confiscate, map the frontier, overlord etc *after* the small doppelgang. Simic(+) deserts is such a sick archetype to play.
At 13:39 making all bats instead of two lizards saves you for at least a turn through the cut down, then you can use confiscate and you might have been in that game
I don't know if it's possible but a super duper flawless victory with your opponent having no permanents, no cards in hand, and no cards in library would be historic levels of trolling and probably make Arena history. That might require a paid actor though lol
Amusingly, I believe there is a deck designed to do that to *itself*, to pass on nothing, or almost nothing except a single Tormod's Crypt in the graveyard, having not just put everything into their graveyard, but exiled it all, themselves, there's even turn 1 versions using stuff like Dark Ritual and Demonic Consultation/Spoils of the Vault to name a card that isn't in the deck to exile the entire deck on the spot.
Hare Apparent actually can works really well with your own board wipes if you are running Raise the Past. You can run them out pretty much whenever you want with the intention to chip some damage in and soak up removal spells, then when you have 4+ in your graveyard you can raise the past to have them all ETB simultaneously and create a ton of power
Ahhh...dopplegang. always the best. For future against the odds, can i push on delmy-balloonman tokens? Feel like you might scratch the panharmonicon itch paying one to make 80 rabbits.
This video is evidence we need Back to Nature in standard. Imagine you pop off and do the thing, pass the turn, and the opponent untaps and blows up all the enchantments on board. Good luck recovering from that
Confiscating an ultimate Liliana after Doppelganging four copies of their Resplendent Angel is maybe the most brutally demoralizing turn I have ever seen.
Woah; more than Confiscating the opponent's stuff, I think the real highlight this week is just how damn powerful it is if you can get a token copy of Caretaker's Talent! 1 mana draw a card repeatably after getting the first; then 1 mana draw a bunch of cards on subsequent turns. Crazy!
Seth, please. I was already having too much fun using Doppelgang to play my opponents’ decks, this ramps it up so much I might spend all my time playing it.
Panharmonicon and Dopplegang may be mechanically pretty different, but there's some sort of...I don't know, shared essence between the two, and it makes sense that Seth loves both of them.
Mirror room/Fractured Realm *really* makes this deck go beyond craziness, but you have to go low on the payoffs or the dreaded greg error will say *NOPE* to you pretty fast.
Buried in the Garden seems like a nice addition. Saw it in another Standard Bant Control list that also wanted to copy stuff. Ramp and removal. I wonder how Three Blind Mice would fare as well. It can certainly present lethal or stabilize in no time once you get a copying spell. Invasion of Arcavios can tutor from GY, deck, or sidedeck, and can also be copied.
In the last game, you should have confiscated the overlord instead of the hare. It'd've come off impend in your end step so you could block with it, it'd stabilize better than just trading/chumping, and most importantly you'd untap with confiscate if you wanted to doppelgang
Second game against Blade, could have confiscated the Overlord of the Hauntwoods (the one with only 1 counter left). Take extra damage from Hare Apparent but block one of the others, then attack next turn to gain an Everywhere (so you get the land while still mitigating some damage) before using Sunfall. Hell, the turn after that you should have Doppel x=2 for Overlord (which enters as a creature, even if you copy the non-creature version), and you present lethal (as you have Get Lost for their Overlord that's about to turn). They did end up being great content plays at least.
I had a deck running Confiscate, Annex, and Copy Enchantment in original Ravnica standard. Simic with enchantress cards and Thran Golem, no interaction other than Confiscate and Annex though. Other cards: Utopia Sprawl, Silhana Ledgewalker, One With Nature, Shielding Plax and Privileged Position. It was a budget deck running all basics because I was young and broke. I think I took it to one LGS standard night and got demolished. Still love the deck to this day though.
My unpopular opinion is that, if there’s this much ramp available, they need to bring back land destruction. Maybe it’s just “destroy target land if 2 or more lands entered under that opponent’s control”
I think hare apparent is a great any number card if the strat is go wide but I would argue slime against humanity is pretty good for the protection from graveyard hate and still being able to scale as you cast them.
You've gotta try Mossborn hydra scapeshift with the lands that instantly sack themselves upon entering. Nothing feels better than hitting your opponent for a quarter of a million trample damage. Note: I did use Kami of whispered hopes with bristly bill to double the counters on my creatures like 17 times.
Hi Seth, great video. Just one thing, I get the impression from the way you played that you think Dopplegang cannot target the same permanent more than once. It can :) maybe I read you wrong, but I thought I would put this out there
I’m not so sure about that. The rules say “115.3. The same target can’t be chosen multiple times for any one instance of the word “target” on a spell or ability.” and Doppelgang only uses the t-word once.
on top of them sitting through getting flawless'd. Hare Apparent gave me ideas for a deck with Enduring Vitality and Virtue of Loyalty. big shout outs to Blade
Spoiler warning I think on the turn that your blocked with the stolen Hare Apparent I would've taken the hit and doppelganged the Overlord and Hare Apparent to make 12 more blockers rather than go for the board wipe. Maybe it's greedy, but I see more upside and more fun to that play imo
hmm if one was to Doppelgang X=3 Unholy Annex and 2 swamps, the copies would appear with both doors locked, But you would have enough mana to at least make a demon. If you had other mana open you might be able to make a demon and unlock an annex. Next turn you unlock all the annexes and obtain massive card advantage.
Shoutout to blade for not scooping, that was amazing to watch!
Yeah, Blade is the real hero this week.
@@MTGGoldfish no lanawar elf or glimpls for ramp faster?
@patrickpersianni5314 what would you cut for it tho?
I need to find someone that loves me as much as Seth loves Dopplegang. 🤣
Came here to make a joke about asking what happens to seth when dopplegang rotates
I wonder if panharmonicon is feeling worried yet
@@LoonerFlightSeths going to use a dopplegang on a panharmonicon one of these days, it’s his destiny
We all do....
That's not possible 😂
Blade is such a real one for not scooping and quitting. If anyone has a reason to do it, its blade.
That's a term I never use but it felt so proper in this situation so I left pretty much the same comment, Blade is a real one and then scrolled down to see the exact same term already used. Must be true then.
Blade the real MVP
stealing and ultimating someones Lili at them is hella disrespect and im here for it. thats some Crim level petty right there, Seth
Funny enough it actually happened occasionally last time Liliana of the Veil was in standard too. Back then with Zealous Conscripts since they both released in the same block.
Seth has played about 20 different flavours of doppelgang so far and I never get bored of it
My man is addicted to finding ways to get Flawless Victories
This might be my favorite one since we get to keep all the permanents rather than just blowing them up.
Blade was an OG for letting that play out. Good sport.
That paradise may be unreachable for me. Savor it in my place! - Blade
That Selesnya token deck gave me an idea:
Can you make a transformative sideboard with just 15 Hare Apparents?
I was kind of assuming that's what he did.
I've been playing a similar list a lot. Casting a small doppelgang on Spelunking and Arid Archway is such a power play to set up second doppelgang etc. Example, Doppelgang x=2, target spelunking and arid archway, make two arid archway tokens, returning two lands you tapped to pay for the doppelgang (hopefully deserts) to hand, spelunkings enter, draw you cards, and let you put your bounced lands back into play untapped, ramp 4, surveil 2, draw 2, potentially surveil 2 more, and since the lands are untapped, you can confiscate, map the frontier, overlord etc *after* the small doppelgang. Simic(+) deserts is such a sick archetype to play.
You made this? No, no. Seth made this.
That was a lot of fun to watch. Thanks Seth and thanks Blade! You're a gentleman and a scholar.
Thank you Blade 🙏
You asked on stream yesterday 'what instant or sorcery do you guys think represents me?' and i think at this point is HAS to be Doppelgang.
Oh man. Seth... You shouldn't have said Kellan tribal could be a thing. Now you've GOT to try it.
4:08 "Bear with me" is he really? You never show him in videos, we deserve more Bear.
Dude, I thought the same 😂thing
I would like to see Bear one day.
Leveling up the Caretakers talent to copy it and draw was pretty genius. Ive never would have thought of that
This is one of the best deck names ever made and it's not close.
agreed
I was really hoping you'd Dopple the Hare Apparents. All of them entering and seeing the other ones would have been awesome
At 13:39 making all bats instead of two lizards saves you for at least a turn through the cut down, then you can use confiscate and you might have been in that game
That caretakers tech was monster value
Blade is a real one, letting people have their fun and do their thing when you know you lost is dope.
I don't know if it's possible but a super duper flawless victory with your opponent having no permanents, no cards in hand, and no cards in library would be historic levels of trolling and probably make Arena history. That might require a paid actor though lol
Amusingly, I believe there is a deck designed to do that to *itself*, to pass on nothing, or almost nothing except a single Tormod's Crypt in the graveyard, having not just put everything into their graveyard, but exiled it all, themselves, there's even turn 1 versions using stuff like Dark Ritual and Demonic Consultation/Spoils of the Vault to name a card that isn't in the deck to exile the entire deck on the spot.
Confinscate? Oh Seth....Seth Seth Seth, master of the mispronunciations. I love ya Brother.
Hey Stone Rain!
@MTGGoldfish I hope you are feeling better Brother.
There is a merefolk on the card so why shouldn't it have "fin" in the name? Clearly that is a fail on Wizzards side and Seth just correcting them.
Confiscate on lands, also known as a "Louisiana Purchase"
4:07 I'd hope Bear is still with you. Also hope you're feeling better too.
Seth, my man, I need you to do this forever please, never stop uploading!
I haven't watched against the odds for a very long time. I am so happy to see Seth trying to win with two 6 cost enchantments
Creosote Heath? No. Senotee Heath!
That has to be top 5 of his worst pronunciations ever.
tutored with map the wastes
A classic against the odds archetype
Hare Apparent actually can works really well with your own board wipes if you are running Raise the Past. You can run them out pretty much whenever you want with the intention to chip some damage in and soak up removal spells, then when you have 4+ in your graveyard you can raise the past to have them all ETB simultaneously and create a ton of power
9:29 lol opp highlighting his 5 permanents and then your ~30
Doppelgang is just the gift that keeps on giving
Every day Seth plays Doppelgang is a good day.
Ahhh...dopplegang. always the best.
For future against the odds, can i push on delmy-balloonman tokens? Feel like you might scratch the panharmonicon itch paying one to make 80 rabbits.
The dopplegang into the liliana steal was perfect 👌
P 52:17 could you do a five-color any number of cards deck at some point
@22:05 why not play the plains instead of the forest? I'm seriously confused as to why you wouldn't want to leave the option open for Get Lost.
This video is evidence we need Back to Nature in standard. Imagine you pop off and do the thing, pass the turn, and the opponent untaps and blows up all the enchantments on board. Good luck recovering from that
I see Spelunking and Doppelgang, I smash Like.
The fact the new TB can cast cards from previously played TB makes playing not a liability really.
56:15 - I think the better play here is to take the Overlord on 1. It un-impends on end step and becomes a creature, which you can then use to block.
your deck ideas are so entertaining all the time 🎉
4:16 "Marauding Bright Pliest" 🤣
"Confinscate"
7:03 one of my favourite Futurama bits ^^
Confiscating an ultimate Liliana after Doppelganging four copies of their Resplendent Angel is maybe the most brutally demoralizing turn I have ever seen.
Big fan of your decks with Spelunking + Doppelgang! Crafted your Hedge Shredder and Fecund decks, definitely gonna craft & play this one too! Thanks!
Amazing video, this is really classic ato material
Woah; more than Confiscating the opponent's stuff, I think the real highlight this week is just how damn powerful it is if you can get a token copy of Caretaker's Talent! 1 mana draw a card repeatably after getting the first; then 1 mana draw a bunch of cards on subsequent turns. Crazy!
Seth, please. I was already having too much fun using Doppelgang to play my opponents’ decks, this ramps it up so much I might spend all my time playing it.
Damn I love the card Doppelgang!
My most viewed videos from the channel are with this card^^
Blade is the hero we don't deserve. My god this deck is absolutely glorious!
Panharmonicon and Dopplegang may be mechanically pretty different, but there's some sort of...I don't know, shared essence between the two, and it makes sense that Seth loves both of them.
New drinking game: Take a shot every time Seth surveils, debates keeping the card on top, and then fetches it away anyways
The scooping is very understandable haha
Mirror room/Fractured Realm *really* makes this deck go beyond craziness, but you have to go low on the payoffs or the dreaded greg error will say *NOPE* to you pretty fast.
Buried in the Garden seems like a nice addition. Saw it in another Standard Bant Control list that also wanted to copy stuff. Ramp and removal.
I wonder how Three Blind Mice would fare as well. It can certainly present lethal or stabilize in no time once you get a copying spell.
Invasion of Arcavios can tutor from GY, deck, or sidedeck, and can also be copied.
49:00 that was epic af
Great Dack Fayden deck!
In the last game, you should have confiscated the overlord instead of the hare. It'd've come off impend in your end step so you could block with it, it'd stabilize better than just trading/chumping, and most importantly you'd untap with confiscate if you wanted to doppelgang
Stealing that and ulting might be one of the best plays I've seen of against the odds!!! That game was wild😁😁😁😁
Second game against Blade, could have confiscated the Overlord of the Hauntwoods (the one with only 1 counter left). Take extra damage from Hare Apparent but block one of the others, then attack next turn to gain an Everywhere (so you get the land while still mitigating some damage) before using Sunfall.
Hell, the turn after that you should have Doppel x=2 for Overlord (which enters as a creature, even if you copy the non-creature version), and you present lethal (as you have Get Lost for their Overlord that's about to turn).
They did end up being great content plays at least.
I hate playing against theft decks, but I have to admit it's funny as hell to watch them happen to other people.
I would love to see this in the mirror match. Everyone just confiscating each other's stuff back and forth every turn til someone mills out.
Very entertaining content Seth
i was also surprised when that razorverge thicket entered untapped lol
Find someone who loves you as much as Seth loves Blood Moon and Doppelgang
I had a deck running Confiscate, Annex, and Copy Enchantment in original Ravnica standard. Simic with enchantress cards and Thran Golem, no interaction other than Confiscate and Annex though. Other cards: Utopia Sprawl, Silhana Ledgewalker, One With Nature, Shielding Plax and Privileged Position. It was a budget deck running all basics because I was young and broke. I think I took it to one LGS standard night and got demolished. Still love the deck to this day though.
My unpopular opinion is that, if there’s this much ramp available, they need to bring back land destruction. Maybe it’s just “destroy target land if 2 or more lands entered under that opponent’s control”
"That's fine we have a backup doppelgang" LMAO
I was waiting for Extravagant Replication to do something really silly! :D
“Hehe, they scooped!” -Said by man who then scoops twice in a row.
A flawless victory feels extra good when you didn’t just get rid of all your opponent’s permanents… You have them on your board instead!
the sweet irony of the steal deck losing to a different steal deck
I think hare apparent is a great any number card if the strat is go wide but I would argue slime against humanity is pretty good for the protection from graveyard hate and still being able to scale as you cast them.
I'm surprised this deck didn't include Doubling Season... Which is now standard legal >:D
If Seth had three ping deserts in play versus Blade (not going back to look), the first Doppelgang could have been lethal
You've gotta try Mossborn hydra scapeshift with the lands that instantly sack themselves upon entering. Nothing feels better than hitting your opponent for a quarter of a million trample damage.
Note: I did use Kami of whispered hopes with bristly bill to double the counters on my creatures like 17 times.
Hi Seth, great video. Just one thing, I get the impression from the way you played that you think Dopplegang cannot target the same permanent more than once. It can :) maybe I read you wrong, but I thought I would put this out there
I’m not so sure about that. The rules say “115.3. The same target can’t be chosen multiple times for any one instance of the word “target” on a spell or ability.” and Doppelgang only uses the t-word once.
Seth plays the sickest piles. literally
“Eminent Domain” is such a good name
on top of them sitting through getting flawless'd. Hare Apparent gave me ideas for a deck with Enduring Vitality and Virtue of Loyalty. big shout outs to Blade
Blade was such a real one there 😂
This is pretty damn fun!
Yes! More flawless victories!!
I love a bit of "confinscate".
"Welcome to the team!"
Not sunfalling when you called it and taking the greed line is such a facepalm.
hey is the thousand years storm deck being posted? could you include the match with my 5 color jank deck? :D
OMG confiscate! This was my favorite card back in Seventh Edition when I started playing.
Spoiler warning
I think on the turn that your blocked with the stolen Hare Apparent I would've taken the hit and doppelganged the Overlord and Hare Apparent to make 12 more blockers rather than go for the board wipe. Maybe it's greedy, but I see more upside and more fun to that play imo
New Eminent Domain!!!
Can you imagine if one of your doppelgang tokens targeted a hare apparent.
hmm if one was to Doppelgang X=3 Unholy Annex and 2 swamps, the copies would appear with both doors locked, But you would have enough mana to at least make a demon. If you had other mana open you might be able to make a demon and unlock an annex. Next turn you unlock all the annexes and obtain massive card advantage.
god I love Seth's mind
This was sweet. Now do this in a format with Teferi, Time Raveler so you can do it at instant speed.
There's a faerie in Foundations that let you do everything at instant speed too.
The party approves of your red deck, comrade
Why resign at 13:55? He had a bat with lifestyle and would have survived an attack.
How do you alternate between confiscate and confinscate every time you pronounce it...? Truly this man is uniquely talented at mispronunciation.
welp the one time you played modern this year was cool