That was hilarious that no women asked him what men want. Totally my experience. Most women are not at all strategic and r totally self-centered in dating.
I would have liked to hear a deeper discussion about why women do not want to provide what men want. Women generally do not want to do anything for the express pleasure of men, yet seem to expect the man to provide for them (resources and attention). Are women wired this way, is this inherent in female nature? Or is it a product of modern feminism? ... arising from the "Women don't need men" mentality.
I laughed out loud when he acted like a woman who wanted to know what men want lol. It's such a preposterous thought that that would ever be a concern to them
This is fucking hilarious and confirms what my intuition has said to me this whole time. Thank god Im getting some validation. Men (on the population average) exhibit more empathy and more virtuous qualities while women hide behind their agreeableness and try to abuse their beauty and power in their 20's. My strategy is now get a hot girl cause they are generally all superficial, unless they are proven to be of good character and good soul. Sadly, it happens post-30 when they have fully abused their power unwittingly and the world has to beat them into place.
I have thought for awhile about Orions concept that love is not a part of relationships as soon as he introduced it several months ago on his channel. Having been married for 25 years and growing up hearing about watching old married couples how they care for each other through sickness and hard times. I think what starts out as transactional can evolve into selfless love. I think honestly that is what really most men want when they enter into LTRs. The problem is men “fall in love” faster and are far more romantically minded and the woman is not ready for the obligations that selfless love requires thus they break it off. It usually takes years for a relationship to evolve into selfless love. It can happen as two peoples lives become completely intertwined but that takes time and many many shared experiences. Which is totally different that the butterflies one feels at the beginning of a relationship that is often mistaken for love.
Thanks for the comment, always nice to read other people's point of view. Mine is this. Hypergamy never dies her loyalty and ideological selfless love that you talk about that I certainly understand (since I have given it completely with my soul) does not exist for men from women. The selfless love is only expressed as temporary intoxication (oxycontin) of young naive women or the lack of other better male options that she have. Sorry it's a very dark reality but selfless love is reserved for women, children and sometimes dogs/cats.
I don't think men fall in love faster. I think men are 1) Blue Pilled, and 2) Have scarcity mindset, if not reality, and Bethlehem when they find a woman that likes them that this is "the one." Women will fall just as quickly, if not quicker, but are pickier. Notice all these girls are in love with Chads they can't get? They fall in love quickly and don't even think about whether the guy cares for her or not.
Highlighting, underlining, or otherwise marking in books is a waste of time. It's pseudo-effort and does not help you to retain the information. If you want to recall something or have it readily accessible, then get a notebook dedicated to recording meaningful passages. You will retain it better by copying it down and you can include the reference location with it without defacing the original book, then you have your own growing collection of worthwhile sayings in notebook form that you can copy or loan out.
Totally agree! Also, I hate when I get a used book that's been highlighted & written in! It feels like sacrilege to me to write in special books. I feel bad if I accidentally crease a pg.
@@Fedor526absolutely. I respect rich and his accomplishments but he really seems to be extremely prideful and he feels like he has a bit of a stick up his ass. Orion is super humble, down to earth and very easy to listen to. He has excellent communication skills.
Rich and Orion are doing a phenomenal job! This interview was refreshing. All relationships are transactional so it's best to see that for what it is instead of the romantic version that greeting card companies, chocolate manufacturers, diamond merchants, Disney, and flower whole sellers are peddling. Ignoring reality typically results in an expensive divorce.
Outstanding book! Principles of power is pure gold. Highly recommend. Lays bare the economics of relationship; using the market value model - hard to argue that.
Wow, what a treat. Two of my favorite TH-camrs and in my mind mentors towards stepping into my manhood and overcoming my blue pill mindsets. Thank you two again for putting out such amazing content!
41:14 mark - best part of this whole interview. For those of us who watched Rich and Moff on Ladies Night - we totally get this. Thanks to Rich and Dr. Taraban for doing this!
Hi ! Rich you love Dr. O, you want to help him too. Thanks for inviting him to spread his mission vision: To reduce unnecessary sufferings in the world. I believe in his mission vision that's why I'm supporting him via engaging in the comments section. Bless you both 🙏 3:15
42:40 make this go viral. Every red pill guy needs to do a reaction series of the last two minutes of this interview on their podcast and so does every on the street TH-camr. Make women understand their lack of effort.
It's difficult for me every time I've gotten with a woman they end up saying they Love me within a couple of months. I always have ended up hurting them. However the few that I have ended up falling for have left me, been deeply heartbroken twice. This has scared me from getting involved with women. I don't do a lot too woo or impress women I just invite them into my life. I'm now at the point where I take sex much more seriously and don't think I'll want to get with a woman that I don't feel completely safe towards.
36:50 I think u don’t have to lie or bribe as Orion postulates to have that experience. It helps to be atop your game, v fit, and successful. A SMV gap also helps. Probably won’t happen with a Dad bod…
And you wonder why women are the ones who leave the relationship….in most cases…because they always think about WHAT THEY WANT. What they are experiencing. Nevermind what their man had to endure or have experienced. yeah. We are fundamentally different.
32:22 - if she isn’t going to want to grow herself and support your growth starting all in on you, it’s a non starter. I am praying entering into this horrible market for a partner. Sad about the love thing, I believe it exits its patient and kind but it’s in the moments. Sex is a byproduct of a good commitment.
I wish that in value exchange of incomparable goods between men and women government and matrix didn’t help women to exchange goods that have minimal value to men. Men mostly need sex and kids from women. We are getting way less sex and birth rates in western societies are at all time low. I am also half way through the book. I believe Orion is giving women too much slack considering that current exchange rates only work to women’s advantage. I understand he is single, childless and still looking to enter a family oriented marketplace but numbers and reality are not in guys favor. That’s the only thing I don’t like in the book. Otherwise great content. Thank you.
Just go abroad, better deals to find, try to find genuine desire in different countries, from Japan, to Thailand to Kenya to Brasil, to Netherlands, I know I get only marriage proposals at the airport in Kenya/Tanzania, I personally dont like Asian girls, and i love the beaches and vibes of brasil, so figuring this out and getting the experiences, helps guys way more than only talking about it
There is still missing the real deal of business women really need and look for... remember... we are still animals even though we are rationals... what women really need from men and never will be replaced is the high dosis of PGE1
Good evening I love books, I will definitely buy it.... I had a session with my therapist (yes I started) and he recommendeda book... The seduction by Robert Greene And a movie Dangerous liaisons.... Look what he did to her... The chase for fun, thrill, because our ex left and we need something new and stupid.... What about this analysis
@@nicolem889 if we're not living together, we meet and have sex and you're easily replaceable. If we do the sex will eventually stop you'll be bitter and will try to get resources. Went through it multiple times, learned my lesson.
Cooper must get rid of those bottle cap glasses, he looks like a geek with them..... Something such as this 100% hurts Cooper in his personal life..... Unless, he's spoiling these ladies then it doesn't matter..... Dr. Taraban is a quality talents Man, only challenge with this Guy is he asks fr "Tips" on his channel.... Come one now, asking for money is 1,000% Tacky
A lot of great takeaways here. Women and men are always trying to figure out how to give women what they want! The lessons and wisdom are clear for modern men. Women are just too dangerous, selfish, and risky and offer little in return and certainly nothing to justify these risks....
Why does nobody read? I’m only on chapter 5 because I’m a slow listener….. Weak sauce Rich. Train your brain bro. I can bang out 500 pages easy. Get those page reps up. 🤣
I lovveee Orion. Been watching his videos for almost a year and the book is great. Never seen the other guy but he seems dickish and douchey, don't like him nearly as much
Rich cooper is an awesome guy. He is a little less subtle and not as soft spoken, but his and Orion’s takes/advice go very well together. We need all kinds of good men out there to make the world go round. These are two that are putting a ton of effort to give us a good understanding of where we are today.
So easy to talk sensibly about relationships but IRL neither of these guys have been able to make a marriage last. Two dudes who can't find a wife telling you to buy their book on how to find a good relationship. LOL The hard truth is that you get what you get and for most dudes these days it's not going to be pretty, you may find yourself preferring to be alone.
Or maybe they see that the costs dont outweigh the benefits and that the true odds for a quality women for them are so abysmally low that its better to discuss the game than play the game
@@phantoM-vj2xw yea, if you haven't had success in the game yourself and don't think the game is worth playing, you have no business giving others advice on the game.
@@Jetherston actually you can just listen to their advice and you see it all makes a lot of sense logically. You don't know to ask about the character of the guy themselves. The information is independent of the person
@@phantoM-vj2xw nope, like I said, it's easy to make sound logical arguments about stuff in theory, the practical reality is a whole different ballgame. These guys are clowns and a waste of time for any guy looking to date.
@@Jetherston that can be said of anything. Why bother giving advice on any complex subject, then. It's easy to be a keyboard warrior and judge. It's not an all or nothing ultimatum. Just take what is relevantly sound and if it doesn't fit, customize. I haven't heard anything that is logically unsound.
26:55 clueless. if the woman likes you, which she will determine in the first few seconds since meeting you, answering questions will be fun for her and the man gets a lot of data he can use to figure out how crazy this bee is. answering questions in stupid tests like a personality test is all women do.
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Every woman I have ever asked "What do you think men want?" has answered the same: I've never thought about it before
Same when asked what do you bring to the table
From a dude who finally open my eyes about relations after my last relatuon. Thanks for the great conversation
Two of my favorite red pill influencers. Thank you both!
"both men and women are trying to figure out how to give women what they want" i swear if i ever hear another equality argument
@@nanayawberko3212 yeah he really hit the nail right on the head with that one
Did he really say that? lol. Do you have a timestamp?
@@JosephEaorle 40:00
The captiain and passenger dynamic make so much sense to me. I can understand why women do what they do. Bad ships sink, Good ships sail.
That was hilarious that no women asked him what men want. Totally my experience. Most women are not at all strategic and r totally self-centered in dating.
I would have liked to hear a deeper discussion about why women do not want to provide what men want. Women generally do not want to do anything for the express pleasure of men, yet seem to expect the man to provide for them (resources and attention). Are women wired this way, is this inherent in female nature? Or is it a product of modern feminism? ... arising from the "Women don't need men" mentality.
I laughed out loud when he acted like a woman who wanted to know what men want lol. It's such a preposterous thought that that would ever be a concern to them
I don't think I've ever heard a woman ask what men want until she was post wall and desperate.
This is fucking hilarious and confirms what my intuition has said to me this whole time. Thank god Im getting some validation. Men (on the population average) exhibit more empathy and more virtuous qualities while women hide behind their agreeableness and try to abuse their beauty and power in their 20's. My strategy is now get a hot girl cause they are generally all superficial, unless they are proven to be of good character and good soul. Sadly, it happens post-30 when they have fully abused their power unwittingly and the world has to beat them into place.
When you tell them what men want, they won’t believe it. Because they no longer have it (beauty, youth, and purity.)
"You will never get what you want, until you change what you are." JG 2024
Who’s JG?
@@Starias5jerking giant
Whos JG?
@@thingyee1118 Me. lol
Happy to see Orion back to talk about his new book, The Value of Others! -- Reading it now. Always a pleasure to see him on your show. Thanks
I have thought for awhile about Orions concept that love is not a part of relationships as soon as he introduced it several months ago on his channel. Having been married for 25 years and growing up hearing about watching old married couples how they care for each other through sickness and hard times. I think what starts out as transactional can evolve into selfless love. I think honestly that is what really most men want when they enter into LTRs. The problem is men “fall in love” faster and are far more romantically minded and the woman is not ready for the obligations that selfless love requires thus they break it off. It usually takes years for a relationship to evolve into selfless love. It can happen as two peoples lives become completely intertwined but that takes time and many many shared experiences. Which is totally different that the butterflies one feels at the beginning of a relationship that is often mistaken for love.
Thanks for the comment, always nice to read other people's point of view. Mine is this. Hypergamy never dies her loyalty and ideological selfless love that you talk about that I certainly understand (since I have given it completely with my soul) does not exist for men from women. The selfless love is only expressed as temporary intoxication (oxycontin) of young naive women or the lack of other better male options that she have. Sorry it's a very dark reality but selfless love is reserved for women, children and sometimes dogs/cats.
Well said. I appreciate your deep minded analogy. And I agree with you on this.
I don't think men fall in love faster. I think men are 1) Blue Pilled, and 2) Have scarcity mindset, if not reality, and Bethlehem when they find a woman that likes them that this is "the one."
Women will fall just as quickly, if not quicker, but are pickier. Notice all these girls are in love with Chads they can't get? They fall in love quickly and don't even think about whether the guy cares for her or not.
@@miamihurricaner5911 You actually think this? Women get attached quicker and women also believe in falling in love more than men.
In Polish " WANT" - > " CHCE " have lots of point of view
1.want
2.need
3.require / demand
4.have to
5.miss
6.dream desire
7.look for
@@jedynyy Does not mean :"have to"
Nothing gives me more confidence than an expert giving me advice while also trying to sell me vitamins LOL
Just ordered the book. Looking forward to reading it. You guys are modern day prophets and saints,
LOL
GFY
Just picked up the book on Audible thanks Orion for your great work
Two of my favorite channels coming together. Rich, I'm looking forward to your talk with Suzanne Venker. 👍
Highlighting, underlining, or otherwise marking in books is a waste of time. It's pseudo-effort and does not help you to retain the information. If you want to recall something or have it readily accessible, then get a notebook dedicated to recording meaningful passages. You will retain it better by copying it down and you can include the reference location with it without defacing the original book, then you have your own growing collection of worthwhile sayings in notebook form that you can copy or loan out.
Totally agree! Also, I hate when I get a used book that's been highlighted & written in! It feels like sacrilege to me to write in special books. I feel bad if I accidentally crease a pg.
I'm blessed to see 2 gs have a discussion.
1 G. I love Orion, he's always super humble and kind while the other guy gives off major douche vibes
@@Fedor526absolutely. I respect rich and his accomplishments but he really seems to be extremely prideful and he feels like he has a bit of a stick up his ass. Orion is super humble, down to earth and very easy to listen to. He has excellent communication skills.
did you run out and buy their books, LOL
Lovely episode thanks guys I'm happy with the knowledge men and woman can get from here.
Thank you for this exceptional information!
40:22 onward is particular gold.
Rich and Orion are doing a phenomenal job! This interview was refreshing. All relationships are transactional so it's best to see that for what it is instead of the romantic version that greeting card companies, chocolate manufacturers, diamond merchants, Disney, and flower whole sellers are peddling. Ignoring reality typically results in an expensive divorce.
I just watched it all! This was great, thank you very much 👏👏
Both gentlemen look as men of value, clear values, growth mindset.
You got half a milll plus audience on TH-cam, of course it’s number one.
Outstanding book! Principles of power is pure gold. Highly recommend. Lays bare the economics of relationship; using the market value model - hard to argue that.
Wow, what a treat. Two of my favorite TH-camrs and in my mind mentors towards stepping into my manhood and overcoming my blue pill mindsets. Thank you two again for putting out such amazing content!
Just went and bought the paperback. Thanks, Orion!
41:14 mark - best part of this whole interview. For those of us who watched Rich and Moff on Ladies Night - we totally get this. Thanks to Rich and Dr. Taraban for doing this!
Great episode! Thanks gents 💙
Very interesting subject. This information is gold!
Awesome content.
Hi ! Rich you love Dr. O, you want to help him too. Thanks for inviting him to spread his mission vision: To reduce unnecessary sufferings in the world. I believe in his mission vision that's why I'm supporting him via engaging in the comments section. Bless you both 🙏 3:15
THANKS FOR HAVING ORION BACK ON!
Two awesome dudes!!!
This discussion was next level
20:35 golden advice
YES please get Suzanna Venker on! I’m a guy and love her stuff !
Two great men.
Dr. Orion makes some wicked points on his channel! Grwat too see the two of you collaborate
My 2 fav people!!!! ❤ WHOOO!!!
The truth can be overwhelming at times
42:40 make this go viral. Every red pill guy needs to do a reaction series of the last two minutes of this interview on their podcast and so does every on the street TH-camr. Make women understand their lack of effort.
Both of you should share best practices as you migrate (Rich) and build (Orion) your community on Skool. Ideal platforms for both.
It's difficult for me every time I've gotten with a woman they end up saying they Love me within a couple of months. I always have ended up hurting them.
However the few that I have ended up falling for have left me, been deeply heartbroken twice.
This has scared me from getting involved with women. I don't do a lot too woo or impress women I just invite them into my life.
I'm now at the point where I take sex much more seriously and don't think I'll want to get with a woman that I don't feel completely safe towards.
36:50 I think u don’t have to lie or bribe as Orion postulates to have that experience. It helps to be atop your game, v fit, and successful. A SMV gap also helps. Probably won’t happen with a Dad bod…
And you wonder why women are the ones who leave the relationship….in most cases…because they always think about WHAT THEY WANT. What they are experiencing. Nevermind what their man had to endure or have experienced. yeah. We are fundamentally different.
ORION Y DR JONATHAN NOVEL ARE MY FAVORITE .
40:30 is so honest and rough
Should be an interesting conversation
Rich you need to focus on the interview..;)..great interview..
This is probably a classic💯💯💯💯🍑🔨
32:22 - if she isn’t going to want to grow herself and support your growth starting all in on you, it’s a non starter. I am praying entering into this horrible market for a partner. Sad about the love thing, I believe it exits its patient and kind but it’s in the moments. Sex is a byproduct of a good commitment.
Did I miss it, whats the name of the book?
"The Value of Others" by Orion Taraban
I wish that in value exchange of incomparable goods between men and women government and matrix didn’t help women to exchange goods that have minimal value to men. Men mostly need sex and kids from women. We are getting way less sex and birth rates in western societies are at all time low. I am also half way through the book. I believe Orion is giving women too much slack considering that current exchange rates only work to women’s advantage. I understand he is single, childless and still looking to enter a family oriented marketplace but numbers and reality are not in guys favor. That’s the only thing I don’t like in the book. Otherwise great content. Thank you.
Just go abroad, better deals to find, try to find genuine desire in different countries, from Japan, to Thailand to Kenya to Brasil, to Netherlands, I know I get only marriage proposals at the airport in Kenya/Tanzania, I personally dont like Asian girls, and i love the beaches and vibes of brasil, so figuring this out and getting the experiences, helps guys way more than only talking about it
There is still missing the real deal of business women really need and look for... remember... we are still animals even though we are rationals... what women really need from men and never will be replaced is the high dosis of PGE1
👍🏼
🙏🏻
I'm trying to figure out why I don't skip these videos😂. Absolute Eye-opener.
Lol I'm not doing tasks for you or going to dinner for a job interview
Good evening
I love books, I will definitely buy it....
I had a session with my therapist (yes I started) and he recommendeda book... The seduction by Robert Greene
And a movie Dangerous liaisons.... Look what he did to her... The chase for fun, thrill, because our ex left and we need something new and stupid....
What about this analysis
Others are valuable? Doubt all are
Avoid long term dating completely. Lie keep on the side and never let her move in with you. If you can get her to pay for stuff herself even better.
🤣 How many women do you think will sign up to that scheme. What do they get out of it?
@@nicolem889 if we're not living together, we meet and have sex and you're easily replaceable. If we do the sex will eventually stop you'll be bitter and will try to get resources. Went through it multiple times, learned my lesson.
Love has NOTHING to do with it.
Cooper must get rid of those bottle cap glasses, he looks like a geek with them..... Something such as this 100% hurts Cooper in his personal life..... Unless, he's spoiling these ladies then it doesn't matter.....
Dr. Taraban is a quality talents Man, only challenge with this Guy is he asks fr "Tips" on his channel.... Come one now, asking for money is 1,000% Tacky
A lot of great takeaways here. Women and men are always trying to figure out how to give women what they want! The lessons and wisdom are clear for modern men. Women are just too dangerous, selfish, and risky and offer little in return and certainly nothing to justify these risks....
***S M A S H the LIKE***
Why does nobody read?
I’m only on chapter 5 because I’m a slow listener…..
Weak sauce Rich. Train your brain bro. I can bang out 500 pages easy. Get those page reps up.
🤣
I lovveee Orion. Been watching his videos for almost a year and the book is great. Never seen the other guy but he seems dickish and douchey, don't like him nearly as much
totally agree with your assessment on both of them.
Rich cooper is an awesome guy. He is a little less subtle and not as soft spoken, but his and Orion’s takes/advice go very well together. We need all kinds of good men out there to make the world go round. These are two that are putting a ton of effort to give us a good understanding of where we are today.
Dont have to like someone for them to be respectable.
Im not saying he is, this is the first vid iv seen of his xP
So easy to talk sensibly about relationships but IRL neither of these guys have been able to make a marriage last. Two dudes who can't find a wife telling you to buy their book on how to find a good relationship. LOL The hard truth is that you get what you get and for most dudes these days it's not going to be pretty, you may find yourself preferring to be alone.
Or maybe they see that the costs dont outweigh the benefits and that the true odds for a quality women for them are so abysmally low that its better to discuss the game than play the game
@@phantoM-vj2xw yea, if you haven't had success in the game yourself and don't think the game is worth playing, you have no business giving others advice on the game.
@@Jetherston actually you can just listen to their advice and you see it all makes a lot of sense logically. You don't know to ask about the character of the guy themselves. The information is independent of the person
@@phantoM-vj2xw nope, like I said, it's easy to make sound logical arguments about stuff in theory, the practical reality is a whole different ballgame. These guys are clowns and a waste of time for any guy looking to date.
@@Jetherston that can be said of anything. Why bother giving advice on any complex subject, then. It's easy to be a keyboard warrior and judge. It's not an all or nothing ultimatum. Just take what is relevantly sound and if it doesn't fit, customize. I haven't heard anything that is logically unsound.
26:55 clueless. if the woman likes you, which she will determine in the first few seconds since meeting you, answering questions will be fun for her and the man gets a lot of data he can use to figure out how crazy this bee is.
answering questions in stupid tests like a personality test is all women do.
Modern woman are like the economy. Inflated, in more ways than 1.
I just shit myself 🧍♂️
Why?