WTF the priorities are in the wrong placearen't they supposed to be the top elite series in the country for Sprint car racing? they don't have their own professional traveling safety crew?
Everyone's biggest fear is fire. I've been to tracks where one guy will be standing in between one and two and another guy in between 3 and 4 with a half-ass pair of coveralls on and one fire bottle and think to myself it's just a matter of time. We see how professional Indycar's AMR safety team or the NHRA Safety Safari are. Granted, they are on a different level budget wise but the sanctioning bodies and the tracks need to step up on fire safety. Thank goodness Carson's horrible crash was at a track like Knoxville. The men and women that drive these cars and put people in the stands need to be protected. I hope this accident gets the right people's attention because it could've been so much worse.Set the national level aside and think about the weekend racer in his bomber or street stock at a local track and something happens. What then? Absolutely no disrespect to the men and women 1st responders at any of these tracks. Thank you for all you do! I'm talking about better equipment and proper training.
I love a man that gets up and says it like it is. I asked the question to myself about the mandated onboard fire suppression and had not noticed it spinning across the track.
I have be involved in open wheel racing since the 70's. Race Director,Club President etc. Never has any driver or owner ever ask about fire trucks, ambulance service or even track insurance.. We had a fire extinguisher on a midget back in 1975 it wasn't mandatory. Indycar, Nascrap or F1 are no different than short track racing. Someone has to step up to the plate and take charge.
Just imagine a track where he clears the wall and is hung out in between a catch fence and the outer guard rail. This was as miraculous as Torgeson at chili bowl
I was at Ascot late 80's. i asked a guy what they had the crane for down by 1 and 2. He said they put up a higher catch fence because Sprints were flipping out and landing on fans cars in the parking lot. He added that the crane was used to get the race cars down that were hung up on the higher catch fence
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE FOOLS IN THE BACK!!! I have been SCREAMING this for YRS!!! And it's not just dirt races it's drag races and all races frankly. Nobody wants to have a NHRA Safety Safari or AMR Indycar style team because shit it costs a fortune. But it's always said if you can't afford to be safe you can't afford to race. He was damn lucky for sure. Hope some positive changes are forthcoming
Damn skippy he got lucky. Seen way too many fires in the sprint cars over the years. They need a fire crew that's trained in methanol fire suppression at every event.
Doug Wolfgang preached that to the outlaws when he got burned as you see nothing has been done.This guy is absolutely right but the woo had the money to start there own midget series.And all they will say now is it wasn't property mounted.
I'd like to see the series have tests using AFFF/AR and FP/AR foam. Amounts needed to be viable then, if it works effectively, a lightweight mobile system for use.
Thank you for this video. Everything that needs to be said was said in a way that should be very effective. I'm glad the driver is ok. I believe it will get better.
Great video Chaz! Cody hit the nail right on the head. A guy on a 4 wheeler with a chemical extinguisher just isnt enough with a methanol fire. Water,water,water and more water. Ask indycar. They ve been dealing with these fires for years. MINIMUM, a UTV, 2 guys, water tank and hose, and extinguishers too. Each end of the track. Every race. Period.
This is why i have 4 different types of fire extinguishers in each turn and make my guys take 1 of each to every single crash. We try to practice and keep up with all the new safety equipment. I know at the tracks i work and run the fire crew at the 1 we strive to be the best amd be prepared as much as we possibly can. I have already had drivers compliment me on how our crew operates
Agree with everything that Cody said. Fuel cells need to be made and mounted stronger imo. Also the one thing that really interests and concerns me is why were they looking for something to cut the belts with? What went wrong that they couldn't be unlatched????
I don’t follow WoO too closely but I am stunned that today in this era of racing that the series doesn’t have a traveling safety treat! The NHRA has had one since it’s inception! The idea of one driver seriously burned or a rescue person getting injured is inconceivable and frankly absurd! Get on the ball WoO!!
He’s 1000% right they should have a team that works with the series and has all the equipment there and. Ready and trained in how to approach these situations. Because if I’m being frank I agree when he said that if it was any other track we might have had a total different result then we had at knox
As an aussie watching this I'm still baffled. In Australia we have to have fire and ambulance crews at every event from a club meet to major meeting. Either one can't attend the meeting is canceled
One of the worst wrecks I have witnessed in person. The safety crew was on track long before the cars even stopped. For Carson to have only the injuries he had, was nothing short of a miracle. Everyone, safety crew and fellow competitors did everything they could in the moment. I think most of us went home with a horrible pit in our stomach for Carson. Hopefully per Mr Jacobs, some changes come to help prevent this in the future. For those who mentioned they should have had something to cut the belts, maybe so, but there was no way any one could have got into that mangled mess of a chassis when it was fully engulfed. The only way was to get the fire out first. No easy task with that much fuel in the cell at that point in the race. Nor could anyone see anything with all the flame retardant that was in the air completely eliminating the crew's visibility. The key here will be what safety changes(plural) come from this.
NHRA Has the safety safari, Indy has there own as well as NASCAR. They should have learnt from Wolfgang we don't need another nasty fire like Carson had he's lucky and I'll bet everyone of those guys has flashbacks from Saturday night I hope Carson has a speedy recovery.👍🇺🇸🏁
He's right, WOO needs a traveling safety crew just like NHRA, those guys are at the car before the car stops moving. They need a safety truck at both ends or both straightaways any track they go to. JMO
I've seen people say the outlaws are too tight to spend the money on a travelling fire and safety crew. The last 24 hours I've been thinking of how great it would be for a business to jump on board and throw some cash at it. How good would it be for a large corporate sponsor to have the outlaw safety crew wear their colours and be called the "walmart fire team" or even a smaller business that could afford to make it work. Split it somehow and have it called the "Southern Auto and Barry's Liquour Fire team" for example. Would only take 4 people (one on smaller quad with a few extinguishers, and one in a mule style buggy full of powder each end) with which would be assisted by the current outlaw officials in their current roles and the track's supplied staff. Small quad arrives at fire, rider jumps off with one extinguisher meanwhile other track staff or assisting racers can run out and grab a spare extinguisher off the quad. As the bigger buggy is making its way to the scene ready to unleash its load. Meanwhile the traveling outlaw fire team are making their way from the other end as well as the track's firetruck. All sounds good in theory, i know.
Obviously the WOO needs to step things up in the Tech Dept. If you're going to mandate a fire bottle system they need to mandate mounting specifications as well.....
There is a standard out there for Motorsport Fire and Safety. Look up NFPA610. Also the racer need to take a stand and ask questions when they go to a track to race. I would not have a single problem to answer any racer’s question what equipment and how I would handle certain situations
Perhaps the World of Outlaws needs to take a page from NHRA, and have a fire fighting safety travel to all the races like the safety Safari crew does with NHRA does! Yet I thought the Knoxville crew did a really good job under the circumstances, because they were on the track quick working on putting out the fire and working on removing the driver from the car.
Excellent point. Why don't the hire and train a proper team? They should travel with their own like Horton safety team a number of years ago. Why the hell not? Are they going to wait for a far less desirable outcome before making a change? That's reactive instead of proactive.
we went to a track , fire truck and ambulance weren`t there yet, I chose to sit and wait for all this to show up~ they showed after hot laps so straight to qualifying . most of these people are not fire ready and sure as hell don`t know how to put out a fire. NEVER shoot your fire extinguisher at a fire Under the driver all your doing is pushing flames up toward driver. !!>WATER!! lots of it. just glad the driver is ok?
Who woulda thought Cody being unfiltered and honest! Come on Chaz you knew the moment you stuck that mic in Cody’s face you weren’t getting monetized on youtube!
Drivers and teams have to take a stand just as well as the tracks.... Tracks won't change unless drivers along with the teams keeps their sprinters in the trailers.... We all know the risk so if change comes everybody will have to give up a little to get alot..... Concern is there but it's all bead around the bush tell someone burns to death...
Hes 100% true if that had been at a small po dunk track the crew would've taken awhile to get there and most of them don't have fire extinguishers made for methanol.
The person closest to the scene of a car on fire is the driver in the car, therefore the car should have a fire system. However, if the system fails or the driver can't activate it because they are unconscious or injured in some other way, both tracks AND series need to have well trained personnel, and all the right equipment to put out a fire as quickly as possible. Whatever you think about WOO getting a fire suppression system sponsor at the same time as making a rule mandating fire systems on cars, the fact is that fire systems have rightly been mandated. The argument against improving safety shouldn't be the price (there shouldn't be an argument against improving safety period), and someone shouldn't need to be seriously injured or die to justify safety equipment being mandated.
My opinion is if they're going to a track that they know they might not have the best Fire Equipment don't go and have the outlaw owner bring his own fire safety crew
Exactly. We once raced at a track where our driver was knocked out in a crash Into a wall, and incredibly enough no one came to him. And there was no ambulance or tow truck.
Considering this happened in the premiere series at one of the if not the premiere track the response was not a top level showing. Driver safety should be top priority for the series and each track. Second priority should be fan safety. Glad Macedo was not seriously injured.
@@riccocool that’s a completely irrelevant question. How long did it take to get the driver out of the burning car? How long did it take to extinguish the fire? How many other responders and or drivers caught fire and also needed to be extinguished? The speed of arrival means absolutely nothing when the responders don’t control the situation by preventing further injuries and don’t extract the unconscious driver in a burning vehicle as quickly as possible.
Who knows why the extinguisher came off. But your nut n bolt man does need to check this. We mount ours with stro g double mounts We experienced a car fire a few years ago and the onboard system extinguished the fire before our tracks excellent fire crew got to the car. You have to ask yourself how much is your life worth ? It's more valuable then all the money you spend on all of your safety equipment. Oh and never race at a track that relies on a fat bloke with one fire extinguisher on a four wheeler.
Piss on these 35-38 gallon tanks. Ever since Knoxville Nationals went to 50 laps with a stop in the middle, in 2010, it's been a better race. Nobody complains about it. Crew Chiefs get a second chance if they missed the set-up. Outlaws should learn from that format. Every feature should be 40 laps. 5-minute 1/2-way brake. Cars only have 20 gallon fuel cells. Cars are safer. *LOOK BETTER.* Drivers not as tired. A-Feature of Nationals hasn't had a serious crash, since they went with that format. The 1/2 way stop should be 1 lane on the extreme inside of the straight-a-way. It would become one of the highlights of the night. Let the fans watch them make adjustments, change gears, what not. Names of top crew chiefs would become as familiar as driver's name. Checkers become Chess. Driver's have less fatigue. Drivers can see (less likely to run out of tear-offs) Better product. Better sport. All-the-way-around.
Nope. It's called SPRINT car for a reason. Get the set up right or you're hosed. A traveling safety crew is REQUIRED NOW. Don't rely on these Podunk tracks they run at. It ain't happening. Be PROACTIVE rather then REACTIVE!
I still think fire extinguishers in cars are a good idea (though not if they're going to fly off) but WOO should absolutely have a traveling safety team. I know it's not cheap, but safety should come first.
Carson Macedo is lucky to be alive! Horrific flip was enough to take him out & that fire was something else!. Where were the Fire Extinguishers on that Buggy, Brad & Gio could have grabbed them!??? How about a Buggy with a Extinguisher nozzle on the front and just let it rip!
All racing has danger. Fire is not an option. Every track, local or national needs a strong, well trained fire crew. NHRA does well. Round tracker's - learn from the Safety Safari. I bet they will train any track for expenses, as they really and truly want the drivers safe, whether going in a straight line or turning left (and right).
Lawrenceburg speedway has top notch safety team also. But the WOO does need to get off there ass and use this as a wakeup call. Unfortaintly we live in a reactive world not proactive.
I've been thinking about this for a long time. Always thought the Outlaws should have a team of safety crew/EMT/Firefighters people that worked all there races with the track crews. The biggest problem there looked as though now one was in charge of the situation when drivers are waving for something to cut the driver out. Need guys with the right tools and know how to get to the driver quickly and safely then remove them. Those people need to get to the crash and take charge. I know easier said then done. There are a million things I could go on about. I think about safety stuff often. I have tons of ideas. Like replacing all them concrete Jersey barriers into rubber Jersey Barriers from recycled tires. Then you kill two birds with one stone and give these tracks and cars a place to give there old rubber. Just an 💡
Are we ever going to find out why these cars are right-hooking into the wall like that? Seems like a pretty big problem that's been going on for way too long and everyone just looks the other way.
Brian Carter goes on podcasts like Winged Nation to pat himself and WRG on the back while constantly being criticized like this. Its almost like the guy has his Patagonia vest on so tight he can’t see reality anymore.
You know, I get tired of the same ol cliche that “god was watching over him”. But when you watch that wreck in slow mo, it’s a miracle he land back on the wheels. Imagine if that car stopped rolling on the roof, Carson would have been done for. There would have been just about nothing the safety crews could have done at that point.
Has anyone took a look at these systems and the Mickey Mouse clamps they use to mount these bottles to the car with? It's no wonder the bottle broke away from the car! The clamps are pathetic, at best.
Wake up call😵🤔. Spend the $$$ , the w00, should not drop another green flag until a travel safety team is trained and in place, to deal w/ methanol fires and knocked out drivers, simple. One life is worth way more than any expense needed for this. And if drivers would say , ain’t racing till it’s done, then it will get done quickly. There, I’ll crawl back under the bridge 🙄
It was *mostly* the WOO official (who was first on the scene) and Spencer Bayston who did the Macedo extraction. Both of them were in and out of the flames multiple times to pop belts and start getting him out. Gio Scelzi was in there, too, but whoever was shooting the fire extinguisher sent burning fuel in him and the crew. Brad Sweet looked like an animated chicken with it's head cut off.
There is no goddamned excuse for the lack of response. Hire real people with experience in fighting fire and rescue . Otherwise the drivers should just park there cars and give the organizers the finger. Entertaining the crowd isn’t worth the risk
It might be time for the World of Outlaws to have a traveling safety/fire crew. Every major racing series in the US has this.
A freind of mine was a race medic for indycar traveled the country
WTF the priorities are in the wrong placearen't they supposed to be the top elite series in the country for Sprint car racing? they don't have their own professional traveling safety crew?
Everyone's biggest fear is fire. I've been to tracks where one guy will be standing in between one and two and another guy in between 3 and 4 with a half-ass pair of coveralls on and one fire bottle and think to myself it's just a matter of time. We see how professional Indycar's AMR safety team or the NHRA Safety Safari are. Granted, they are on a different level budget wise but the sanctioning bodies and the tracks need to step up on fire safety. Thank goodness Carson's horrible crash was at a track like Knoxville. The men and women that drive these cars and put people in the stands need to be protected. I hope this accident gets the right people's attention because it could've been so much worse.Set the national level aside and think about the weekend racer in his bomber or street stock at a local track and something happens. What then? Absolutely no disrespect to the men and women 1st responders at any of these tracks. Thank you for all you do! I'm talking about better equipment and proper training.
Jacobs is absolutely right. He said what I’ve been saying for years!!
Love that guy. Truth and logic. Could care less about being politically correct and pleasing sponsers.👍
Cody doesn't mince words. And he's spot on with his assessment and recommendations!
Perfect interview at the perfect time!!
Good video Chaz. Timely, pertinent, Top Crew Chief is the right person's perspective on the subject of methanol fires.
I love a man that gets up and says it like it is. I asked the question to myself about the mandated onboard fire suppression and had not noticed it spinning across the track.
I have be involved in open wheel racing since the 70's. Race Director,Club President etc. Never has any driver or owner ever ask about fire trucks, ambulance service or even track insurance.. We had a fire extinguisher on a midget back in 1975 it wasn't mandatory. Indycar, Nascrap or F1 are no different than short track racing. Someone has to step up to the plate and take charge.
MORE OF THIS!!
Very refreshing, thank you.
Absolutely, you need the right equipment for the job. Life and death matter in seconds not budgets.
Just imagine a track where he clears the wall and is hung out in between a catch fence and the outer guard rail. This was as miraculous as Torgeson at chili bowl
you are absolutely correct, i never thought of that.
I was at Ascot late 80's. i asked a guy what they had the crane for down by 1 and 2. He said they put up a higher catch fence because Sprints were
flipping out and landing on fans cars in the parking lot. He added that the crane was used to get the race cars down that were hung up on the higher catch fence
@@dougblack4479 saw mark cassela flip into the parking lot on the old Sharon speedway
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE FOOLS IN THE BACK!!!
I have been SCREAMING this for YRS!!!
And it's not just dirt races it's drag races and all races frankly. Nobody wants to have a NHRA Safety Safari or AMR Indycar style team because shit it costs a fortune. But it's always said if you can't afford to be safe you can't afford to race.
He was damn lucky for sure. Hope some positive changes are forthcoming
Damn skippy he got lucky. Seen way too many fires in the sprint cars over the years. They need a fire crew that's trained in methanol fire suppression at every event.
Doug Wolfgang preached that to the outlaws when he got burned as you see nothing has been done.This guy is absolutely right but the woo had the money to start there own midget series.And all they will say now is it wasn't property mounted.
Fuel tank is on a tether, but the fire bottle goes flying.
I'd like to see the series have tests using AFFF/AR and FP/AR foam. Amounts needed to be viable then, if it works effectively, a lightweight mobile system for use.
Thank you for this video. Everything that needs to be said was said in a way that should be very effective. I'm glad the driver is ok. I believe it will get better.
This is a smart man if the ones in power would listen to the ones who actually deal with this shit life would be a lot better in the racing world
F the power. We need to stand up for what is right.
Damn he’s right, most places probably wouldn’t of even had enough fire extinguishers.
Great video Chaz! Cody hit the nail right on the head. A guy on a 4 wheeler with a chemical extinguisher just isnt enough with a methanol fire. Water,water,water and more water. Ask indycar. They ve been dealing with these fires for years. MINIMUM, a UTV, 2 guys, water tank and hose, and extinguishers too. Each end of the track. Every race. Period.
Btw, that's the most I've ever heard Cody speak on camera 😂
This is why i have 4 different types of fire extinguishers in each turn and make my guys take 1 of each to every single crash. We try to practice and keep up with all the new safety equipment. I know at the tracks i work and run the fire crew at the 1 we strive to be the best amd be prepared as much as we possibly can. I have already had drivers compliment me on how our crew operates
Well said.
The nhra has the safty safari that follows the nhra to each track same guys every race. And well trained.
For nearly 70 years now.
Gravel won't have to worry about Dash starting spots anytime soon. Bravo! Somebody had to speak out and say it. TRUTH!
Agree with everything that Cody said. Fuel cells need to be made and mounted stronger imo. Also the one thing that really interests and concerns me is why were they looking for something to cut the belts with? What went wrong that they couldn't be unlatched????
That's a whole lotta truth right there
Sanctions should provide all tracks should have trained officials.
Thatta Boy!
I don’t follow WoO too closely but I am stunned that today in this era of racing that the series doesn’t have a traveling safety treat! The NHRA has had one since it’s inception! The idea of one driver seriously burned or a rescue person getting injured is inconceivable and frankly absurd! Get on the ball WoO!!
He’s 1000% right they should have a team that works with the series and has all the equipment there and. Ready and trained in how to approach these situations. Because if I’m being frank I agree when he said that if it was any other track we might have had a total different result then we had at knox
A couple of 5gl home depot water buckets in each corner would have been All that's needed
As an aussie watching this I'm still baffled. In Australia we have to have fire and ambulance crews at every event from a club meet to major meeting. Either one can't attend the meeting is canceled
One of the worst wrecks I have witnessed in person. The safety crew was on track long before the cars even stopped. For Carson to have only the injuries he had, was nothing short of a miracle. Everyone, safety crew and fellow competitors did everything they could in the moment. I think most of us went home with a horrible pit in our stomach for Carson. Hopefully per Mr Jacobs, some changes come to help prevent this in the future. For those who mentioned they should have had something to cut the belts, maybe so, but there was no way any one could have got into that mangled mess of a chassis when it was fully engulfed. The only way was to get the fire out first. No easy task with that much fuel in the cell at that point in the race. Nor could anyone see anything with all the flame retardant that was in the air completely eliminating the crew's visibility. The key here will be what safety changes(plural) come from this.
100 percent agree. The drivers are making the fans come to shows yet world of outlaws are to cheap to protect drivers if come out of their pocket
NHRA Has the safety safari, Indy has there own as well as NASCAR. They should have learnt from Wolfgang we don't need another nasty fire like Carson had he's lucky and I'll bet everyone of those guys has flashbacks from Saturday night I hope Carson has a speedy recovery.👍🇺🇸🏁
Facts!!!
He's right, WOO needs a traveling safety crew just like NHRA, those guys are at the car before the car stops moving. They need a safety truck at both ends or both straightaways any track they go to. JMO
I've seen people say the outlaws are too tight to spend the money on a travelling fire and safety crew.
The last 24 hours I've been thinking of how great it would be for a business to jump on board and throw some cash at it. How good would it be for a large corporate sponsor to have the outlaw safety crew wear their colours and be called the "walmart fire team" or even a smaller business that could afford to make it work. Split it somehow and have it called the "Southern Auto and Barry's Liquour Fire team" for example.
Would only take 4 people (one on smaller quad with a few extinguishers, and one in a mule style buggy full of powder each end) with which would be assisted by the current outlaw officials in their current roles and the track's supplied staff.
Small quad arrives at fire, rider jumps off with one extinguisher meanwhile other track staff or assisting racers can run out and grab a spare extinguisher off the quad.
As the bigger buggy is making its way to the scene ready to unleash its load.
Meanwhile the traveling outlaw fire team are making their way from the other end as well as the track's firetruck.
All sounds good in theory, i know.
Obviously the WOO needs to step things up in the Tech Dept. If you're going to mandate a fire bottle system they need to mandate mounting specifications as well.....
There is a standard out there for Motorsport Fire and Safety. Look up NFPA610. Also the racer need to take a stand and ask questions when they go to a track to race. I would not have a single problem to answer any racer’s question what equipment and how I would handle certain situations
Perhaps the World of Outlaws needs to take a page from NHRA, and have a fire fighting safety travel to all the races like the safety Safari crew does with NHRA does!
Yet I thought the Knoxville crew did a really good job under the circumstances, because they were on the track quick working on putting out the fire and working on removing the driver from the car.
Excellent point. Why don't the hire and train a proper team? They should travel with their own like Horton safety team a number of years ago. Why the hell not? Are they going to wait for a far less desirable outcome before making a change? That's reactive instead of proactive.
👍 that was a great podcast.
Bottle should be on dash plate engine side pointed towards engine top and foot of driver, solid steel clamp held, like driver, 4 sides.
Let’s go!
Traveling safety crew, do right by your drivers WOO !!!
Calling out the outlaws let’s go!
Love this guy has a smart head!!
we went to a track , fire truck and ambulance weren`t there yet, I chose to sit and wait for all this to show up~ they showed after hot laps so straight to qualifying . most of these people are not fire ready and sure as hell don`t know how to put out a fire. NEVER shoot your fire extinguisher at a fire Under the driver all your doing is pushing flames up toward driver. !!>WATER!! lots of it. just glad the driver is ok?
Who woulda thought Cody being unfiltered and honest! Come on Chaz you knew the moment you stuck that mic in Cody’s face you weren’t getting monetized on youtube!
Your point?
Drivers and teams have to take a stand just as well as the tracks.... Tracks won't change unless drivers along with the teams keeps their sprinters in the trailers.... We all know the risk so if change comes everybody will have to give up a little to get alot.....
Concern is there but it's all bead around the bush tell someone burns to death...
Hes 100% true if that had been at a small po dunk track the crew would've taken awhile to get there and most of them don't have fire extinguishers made for methanol.
💯
Dam right !!
The person closest to the scene of a car on fire is the driver in the car, therefore the car should have a fire system. However, if the system fails or the driver can't activate it because they are unconscious or injured in some other way, both tracks AND series need to have well trained personnel, and all the right equipment to put out a fire as quickly as possible.
Whatever you think about WOO getting a fire suppression system sponsor at the same time as making a rule mandating fire systems on cars, the fact is that fire systems have rightly been mandated. The argument against improving safety shouldn't be the price (there shouldn't be an argument against improving safety period), and someone shouldn't need to be seriously injured or die to justify safety equipment being mandated.
That fire crew was there less than five seconds after he stopped.
So very happy Carson Macedo is okay, he will have night mares. Fire is the WORST 6/12/23
Have the right fire extinguisher to put the right fire out for the race fuel
My opinion is if they're going to a track that they know they might not have the best Fire Equipment don't go and have the outlaw owner bring his own fire safety crew
Exactly. We once raced at a track where our driver was knocked out in a crash Into a wall, and incredibly enough no one came to him. And there was no ambulance or tow truck.
Grand Forks has a really good fire crew. They've got a guy in an aluminum suit, so the heat isn't going to keep them out.
Considering this happened in the premiere series at one of the if not the premiere track the response was not a top level showing.
Driver safety should be top priority for the series and each track. Second priority should be fan safety.
Glad Macedo was not seriously injured.
How long did it take to get extinguishers to the crash?
@@riccocool that’s a completely irrelevant question.
How long did it take to get the driver out of the burning car? How long did it take to extinguish the fire? How many other responders and or drivers caught fire and also needed to be extinguished?
The speed of arrival means absolutely nothing when the responders don’t control the situation by preventing further injuries and don’t extract the unconscious driver in a burning vehicle as quickly as possible.
Lawrenceburg has two professional safety crews exactly what they need
Who knows why the extinguisher came off. But your nut n bolt man does need to check this. We mount ours with stro g double mounts We experienced a car fire a few years ago and the onboard system extinguished the fire before our tracks excellent fire crew got to the car. You have to ask yourself how much is your life worth ? It's more valuable then all the money you spend on all of your safety equipment. Oh and never race at a track that relies on a fat bloke with one fire extinguisher on a four wheeler.
Two best safety crews in dirt racing are the ones at Eldora and Lawrenceburg.
Piss on these 35-38 gallon tanks. Ever since Knoxville Nationals went to 50 laps with a stop in the middle, in 2010, it's been a better race. Nobody complains about it. Crew Chiefs get a second chance if they missed the set-up. Outlaws should learn from that format. Every feature should be 40 laps. 5-minute 1/2-way brake. Cars only have 20 gallon fuel cells. Cars are safer. *LOOK BETTER.* Drivers not as tired. A-Feature of Nationals hasn't had a serious crash, since they went with that format. The 1/2 way stop should be 1 lane on the extreme inside of the straight-a-way. It would become one of the highlights of the night. Let the fans watch them make adjustments, change gears, what not. Names of top crew chiefs would become as familiar as driver's name. Checkers become Chess. Driver's have less fatigue. Drivers can see (less likely to run out of tear-offs) Better product. Better sport. All-the-way-around.
Nope. It's called SPRINT car for a reason. Get the set up right or you're hosed. A traveling safety crew is REQUIRED NOW. Don't rely on these Podunk tracks they run at. It ain't happening. Be PROACTIVE rather then REACTIVE!
Possibly the dumbest comment I've ever seen about sprintcar racing
@@melroberts8877 Five like minds, plus love.
And your comment gets highlighted?
It boggles my scrotum.
Should have better fire suppression system AND better fire response at tracks not one or another
I still think fire extinguishers in cars are a good idea (though not if they're going to fly off) but WOO should absolutely have a traveling safety team. I know it's not cheap, but safety should come first.
Epic!! Calling a Spade a fuckin Spade
Couldn't have been said better..
Carson Macedo is lucky to be alive!
Horrific flip was enough to take him out & that fire was something else!.
Where were the Fire Extinguishers on that Buggy, Brad & Gio could have grabbed them!???
How about a Buggy with a Extinguisher nozzle on the front and just let it rip!
Wolfgang said it years ago, and it aint changed, even without ted johnson
Why not both?
It's a Bud Light Fire Suppression System.
Cody's not wrong. Something needs done now before it's to late.
All racing has danger. Fire is not an option. Every track, local or national needs a strong, well trained fire crew. NHRA does well. Round tracker's - learn from the Safety Safari. I bet they will train any track for expenses, as they really and truly want the drivers safe, whether going in a straight line or turning left (and right).
Lawrenceburg speedway has top notch safety team also. But the WOO does need to get off there ass and use this as a wakeup call. Unfortaintly we live in a reactive world not proactive.
I've been thinking about this for a long time. Always thought the Outlaws should have a team of safety crew/EMT/Firefighters people that worked all there races with the track crews. The biggest problem there looked as though now one was in charge of the situation when drivers are waving for something to cut the driver out. Need guys with the right tools and know how to get to the driver quickly and safely then remove them. Those people need to get to the crash and take charge. I know easier said then done. There are a million things I could go on about. I think about safety stuff often. I have tons of ideas. Like replacing all them concrete Jersey barriers into rubber Jersey Barriers from recycled tires. Then you kill two birds with one stone and give these tracks and cars a place to give there old rubber. Just an 💡
Cars don't slide down rubber,, it grabs an flips you up or out.
Did you see how much his head and body moved?
they should have amr teams at the large events jmo
Are we ever going to find out why these cars are right-hooking into the wall like that? Seems like a pretty big problem that's been going on for way too long and everyone just looks the other way.
WoO has more than enough money to have a safety team travel with them.
Brian Carter goes on podcasts like Winged Nation to pat himself and WRG on the back while constantly being criticized like this. Its almost like the guy has his Patagonia vest on so tight he can’t see reality anymore.
He's not wrong.
Need a better product to get the fire put out faster. The fire retardant they used seem to spread the fire and not put it out.
@@lchbbq well they need a better one that puts out the fire even faster than the one they are using if there is a better one.
There needs to be a driver boycott. Enough is enough. Stop depending on THEM to do something and take action yourself.
You know, I get tired of the same ol cliche that “god was watching over him”. But when you watch that wreck in slow mo, it’s a miracle he land back on the wheels. Imagine if that car stopped rolling on the roof, Carson would have been done for. There would have been just about nothing the safety crews could have done at that point.
He isn’t wrong.
Has anyone took a look at these systems and the Mickey Mouse clamps they use to mount these bottles to the car with? It's no wonder the bottle broke away from the car! The clamps are pathetic, at best.
Hey
Don't use the junk fire system, Firebottle is the original and the best.
water is the best way to put out a methanol fires, I believe
Wake up call😵🤔. Spend the $$$ , the w00, should not drop another green flag until a travel safety team is trained and in place, to deal w/ methanol fires and knocked out drivers, simple. One life is worth way more than any expense needed for this. And if drivers would say , ain’t racing till it’s done, then it will get done quickly. There, I’ll crawl back under the bridge 🙄
Hold the damn camera still‼️😡
Go complain to someone else. I'm worried about the conversation more than the camera..
Knoxville couldn’t even find a pair of belt cutters. Shameful.
It was *mostly* the WOO official (who was first on the scene) and Spencer Bayston who did the Macedo extraction. Both of them were in and out of the flames multiple times to pop belts and start getting him out.
Gio Scelzi was in there, too, but whoever was shooting the fire extinguisher sent burning fuel in him and the crew.
Brad Sweet looked like an animated chicken with it's head cut off.
@Charles Dugaw how dare you criticize anyone that risk their own safety to help extricate Carson
There is no goddamned excuse for the lack of response. Hire real people with experience in fighting fire and rescue . Otherwise the drivers should just park there cars and give the organizers the finger. Entertaining the crowd isn’t worth the risk
The other Drivers saved him, NOT THE SAFETY CREW!
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Stop fyre....