Dave Williams, editor, commenting here. As a general reminder, Dave can tune your bike no matter where you are in the world via his Remote Tuning Service. He asks you a series of questions via email or private message, you answer and send pics of your tires. He tells you the suspension adjustments to make. I've done it with him many many many times. PLUS, it's the best way to learn
Considering the hypermotard has significantly more travel than most sport/superbikes, is it also the reason why the appropriate sag settings for the track are a bit on the higher side compared to sport bikes(usually around 30mm)
Is there a general starting point for sag front & rear for the Hypers for track use? You are measuring sag by subtracting from static, not top-out, correct? I see guides saying both ways. 2014 Hyper SP owner :) also from San Diego
Correct, from extended to resting for static sag, then rider sag added on top. Forks at 35mm, shock at a total of 30-35mm depending on how early and hard you roll the throttle on.
Amazes me how you can pick up info from watching the tuning of a completely different style motorcycle than I ride. Added bonus with the neanderthal climate change history lesson! LOL
Hey Dave love your videos. I have a problem on my r6 front end is fine but I'm out of rebound adjustment on the shock some bumps still makes me jump and throws me to the front, (visually it is fast too) any suggestions? Thanks
The R6 rear shock from 2006 to present has nowhere near enough valving on the rebound side of the piston. Kits from places like GP Suspension resolve that issue with a complete piston and valving replacement. If you cannot afford the kit, you can try 10w shock oil for road work but for track, you must revalve.
11:30 That Duc looks good. Hi Viz. I'm a great appreciator of our National Park system. I've been to many but Petrified Forest is a disappointment. I was there once as a young kid and just envisioned a whole forest of trees turned to stone. There is not. So a few years ago I was in the area and decided to see it again only as an adult. Welp, it was underwhelming to say the least. There ARE petrified trees there but they are logs, and they are buried under volcanic ash. And the only way you can see them is if the elements naturally expose them. Which is to say...you hardly see anything but muddy looking mounds. Pretty boring.
I would assess fork and shock travel used and see what might be needed between fork and shock preload. As a rule of thumb, the shock is much softer then the forks so sort that out first. I do have a video on how to assess shock travel: th-cam.com/video/KeZT1LCY8CU/w-d-xo.html
Dave, i just got my hypermotard 1100s the fork travel is 165mm and rear is 141mm. Should i set it to one of three travel for the sag? like fork set it to 54mm, rear 46mm? or set it to one of four travel?
Hi Jacob. Yes set it to 30% for forks and shock. If it is too stiff when you visually check travel after riding normally, go to 40% and see how much travel is used then.
Thank you Dave, I have another problem. If I set it to 35%, the sag are different between front and rear, because the travel are different. should I set it same sag? Such as 50mm sag of both sides? Or should I set it to front 57mm(165mm travel) and rear 50mm(141mm travel)? Jacob
@@CatalystReactionSBW thank you your reply, i try to set the sag on 50mm/50mm, it was comfortable, easy to go in the corner. but there was little unstable in the corner. my front travel have around 40mm left, but i didn't check the rear yet. any recommend on my bike?
Dave Williams, editor, replying here. Yes I did. Glad somebody can receive it in the spirit it was given. But I think in their case they caused an ice age. Wiped out all the woolly mammoths. And I'm one of them. Somewhere in the way way olden times grandma did the dirty nasty with a handsome neanderthal.
The only downside I can say about motorcycling, is dealing with the suspension. It's the Goldie locks of the design and rarely ever just right. I wish it was more hands off and accommodating like a cars suspension.
In time when we get electronic suspension on most models, that will be the most hands off we can get from an OEM with the best net result from 140 decisions a second being made for you along with integrated ABS.
@@CatalystReactionSBW (or Dave Williams) If all MCs had electronic suspension in the future, would Dave still have plenty of setup and coaching to do, or would he need to adjust his business model? Love the videos, and am amazed at how completely he grasps the science of suspension and how to make adjustment accordingly.
@@CrzyMFTDave Williams, editor, replying here. Based on the suspension engineering decisions manufacturers currently make, electronic suspension will continue to be problematic long before it becomes useful at pace. Just look at Moss' reply to Abyss rider in this comment thread about the R6 shock. It does not matter how good the ECU is if the underlying valving in the shock is junk (engineered incorrectly). Does not matter whether it's Moss adjusting it in the hot pit or a CPU adjusting on the fly if the valving fails to properly control the oil flow. What's more, neither springs nor the preload on them is adjusted electronically. If the springs are wrong for your weight/ability, or mismatched front to rear (which they often are FROM THE FACTORY), an ECU frantically trying to adjust the valving on the fly will fail miserably because either the incorrect spring rate and/or preload will defeat all it's efforts. So far, NO dynamic suspension mode has been anywhere near capable enough to deal with any bike at pace, and we're talking intermediate group pace, we're talking 20 seconds off the lap record pace. As you reach that threshold the dynamic systems just can't cope, even with the correct springs/preload. Again, it's not an ECU or coding issue, it's the underlying engineering decisions and capabilities of the hard parts involved (how fast can a servo open/close a rebound/compression valve and whether those valves are adequately/correctly engineered). Say I.
the fact that Moss made zero changes to the perfectly set up bike in this vid is testament to his integrity.
It's someone that is a pro and an actual master of the trade with zero insecurities.
It's amazing that the man can look at tire wear and then tell you what's going on with the setup and several things the rider is doing.
Since I watched this video, I failed in love with the Hypermotard even more and now I finally own one and I’m so excited every time I ride it.
That last Ducati hypermotard made me drool! That was a sweet set up I love the colors
That Neon green Hypermotard is a beautiful colour scheme in @11:37 everything
Yuk
Haha I liked the way he said if it ain't broke dont fix it good one dave
Dave Williams, editor, commenting here. As a general reminder, Dave can tune your bike no matter where you are in the world via his Remote Tuning Service. He asks you a series of questions via email or private message, you answer and send pics of your tires. He tells you the suspension adjustments to make. I've done it with him many many many times. PLUS, it's the best way to learn
Ace. In Spain about to buy a second hand 1100S. Just what I need.
Brenton in QLD Australia. I have a 2014-ducati-diavel I'd like to tune.
@@brentonnelson4325 please email me dave@davemosstuning.com
Moss is an honorable man.
Considering the hypermotard has significantly more travel than most sport/superbikes, is it also the reason why the appropriate sag settings for the track are a bit on the higher side compared to sport bikes(usually around 30mm)
It was a hypermotard 1100 evo sp, quite rare
dave is the man!
Clean explanation 👌
Nice looking bike
The first bike is a 2012 Hypermotard 1100 evo SP. Great Bike with Marzocchi forks and Oehlins Shock.
Man this guy knows his stuff. Sounds like a bit Pom?! 😂
Yes, I've been away from Manchester since 87, so "a bit like" is certainly accurate.
Chris it’s funny cause up till a few weeks ago I was super it was kiwi or Aussie, even my wife says no it’s South African... couldn’t believe UK 🇬🇧
@@CatalystReactionSBW fellow manc?... I like you even more now!
@@terrorbear7 Didsbury:- where I grew up.
Man, love the green and black ducati !! Also, love how Moss keeps from laughing seeing these dudes in tight racing leathers will huge guts. ha ha ha
Droppin gems ..
Oh my god the rider is a big fucking dude! Like that evo looked like a puny fucking moped on him...
Is there a general starting point for sag front & rear for the Hypers for track use? You are measuring sag by subtracting from static, not top-out, correct? I see guides saying both ways. 2014 Hyper SP owner :) also from San Diego
Correct, from extended to resting for static sag, then rider sag added on top. Forks at 35mm, shock at a total of 30-35mm depending on how early and hard you roll the throttle on.
Love that front wheel support stand, can you send me a link to obtain one?
Thanks
www.baxleycompanies.com
Amazes me how you can pick up info from watching the tuning of a completely different style motorcycle than I ride.
Added bonus with the neanderthal climate change history lesson! LOL
Hey Dave love your videos. I have a problem on my r6 front end is fine but I'm out of rebound adjustment on the shock some bumps still makes me jump and throws me to the front, (visually it is fast too) any suggestions? Thanks
The R6 rear shock from 2006 to present has nowhere near enough valving on the rebound side of the piston. Kits from places like GP Suspension resolve that issue with a complete piston and valving replacement. If you cannot afford the kit, you can try 10w shock oil for road work but for track, you must revalve.
@@CatalystReactionSBW Thanks a lot Dave
11:30 That Duc looks good. Hi Viz.
I'm a great appreciator of our National Park system. I've been to many but Petrified Forest is a disappointment. I was there once as a young kid and just envisioned a whole forest of trees turned to stone. There is not. So a few years ago I was in the area and decided to see it again only as an adult. Welp, it was underwhelming to say the least. There ARE petrified trees there but they are logs, and they are buried under volcanic ash. And the only way you can see them is if the elements naturally expose them. Which is to say...you hardly see anything but muddy looking mounds. Pretty boring.
With 1,84cm and 96kg Should I stiffen the suspension and more rear height?
I would assess fork and shock travel used and see what might be needed between fork and shock preload. As a rule of thumb, the shock is much softer then the forks so sort that out first. I do have a video on how to assess shock travel: th-cam.com/video/KeZT1LCY8CU/w-d-xo.html
Air-cooled, so 1100. (There's also an air-cooled 796, but I don't think that has fully adjustable suspension)
Also it has dry clutch.
Dave,
i just got my hypermotard 1100s
the fork travel is 165mm and rear is 141mm.
Should i set it to one of three travel for the sag?
like fork set it to 54mm, rear 46mm?
or set it to one of four travel?
Hi Jacob. Yes set it to 30% for forks and shock. If it is too stiff when you visually check travel after riding normally, go to 40% and see how much travel is used then.
Thank you Dave,
I have another problem.
If I set it to 35%, the sag are different between front and rear, because the travel are different.
should I set it same sag? Such as 50mm sag of both sides?
Or should I set it to front 57mm(165mm travel) and rear 50mm(141mm travel)?
Jacob
@@jacoblai2409 Depends on your skill level between braking and acceleration OR travel used in the forks and shock. Start at 40/40mm
@@CatalystReactionSBW thank you your reply,
i try to set the sag on 50mm/50mm, it was comfortable, easy to go in the corner.
but there was little unstable in the corner.
my front travel have around 40mm left, but i didn't check the rear yet.
any recommend on my bike?
@@jacoblai2409 Then your bike is out of balance with rebound: davemosstuning.com/?s=rebound
How can this 939 lower the seat height to around 810mm ?
Set preload and compression damping to the softest numbers and based on weight of the bike itself, see what you can get for the measurement.
8:02 also helemt is too small or helmet is not for his head :D
There's a petrified forest where I live, but it was caused by lava not climate change
Abi Türk müsün ?
Dave you are a Brit
Did he say neanderthal caused climate change? Lmao
Dave Williams, editor, replying here. Yes I did. Glad somebody can receive it in the spirit it was given. But I think in their case they caused an ice age. Wiped out all the woolly mammoths. And I'm one of them. Somewhere in the way way olden times grandma did the dirty nasty with a handsome neanderthal.
@@CatalystReactionSBW lets not forget how the dinosaurs caused their own extinction with flatulence. 🤣🤣🤣
The only downside I can say about motorcycling, is dealing with the suspension. It's the Goldie locks of the design and rarely ever just right. I wish it was more hands off and accommodating like a cars suspension.
In time when we get electronic suspension on most models, that will be the most hands off we can get from an OEM with the best net result from 140 decisions a second being made for you along with integrated ABS.
Bredaxe setting everything up is fun. Some guys don’t want to truly learn and get their hands dirty though, they make scooters for you folks.
@@dbtrackz33 Yeah, get a scooter. Don't buy a motorcycle, let the industry just die out. Weekend warriors buy all the motorcycles I guess.
@@CatalystReactionSBW (or Dave Williams) If all MCs had electronic suspension in the future, would Dave still have plenty of setup and coaching to do, or would he need to adjust his business model? Love the videos, and am amazed at how completely he grasps the science of suspension and how to make adjustment accordingly.
@@CrzyMFTDave Williams, editor, replying here. Based on the suspension engineering decisions manufacturers currently make, electronic suspension will continue to be problematic long before it becomes useful at pace. Just look at Moss' reply to Abyss rider in this comment thread about the R6 shock. It does not matter how good the ECU is if the underlying valving in the shock is junk (engineered incorrectly). Does not matter whether it's Moss adjusting it in the hot pit or a CPU adjusting on the fly if the valving fails to properly control the oil flow. What's more, neither springs nor the preload on them is adjusted electronically. If the springs are wrong for your weight/ability, or mismatched front to rear (which they often are FROM THE FACTORY), an ECU frantically trying to adjust the valving on the fly will fail miserably because either the incorrect spring rate and/or preload will defeat all it's efforts. So far, NO dynamic suspension mode has been anywhere near capable enough to deal with any bike at pace, and we're talking intermediate group pace, we're talking 20 seconds off the lap record pace. As you reach that threshold the dynamic systems just can't cope, even with the correct springs/preload. Again, it's not an ECU or coding issue, it's the underlying engineering decisions and capabilities of the hard parts involved (how fast can a servo open/close a rebound/compression valve and whether those valves are adequately/correctly engineered). Say I.
Haha set up spot on? Oh man I nearly clicked dislike cause that’s unheard of! Well that’s a relief 😅
Every once in a while, a unicorn appears Kevin :)
That Neon green Hypermotard is a beautiful colour scheme in @11:37 everything