I love this. We need more inclusiveness in Pakistan. We need a merit base system, not a system based on your background. We need the original Jinnah vision back in Pakistan. Please interview more Hindus, Christians, Parsi, Sikhs, etc. Thanks again.
But Islam has all the traits of a cult. And it’s members show all the cultish ness of a cult. So how would inclusiveness happen in such a Islamically radicalized country? In other Muslim countries, like Indonesia it is slowly happening there too. It is tightening day by day. So may be first make your country secular.
And original Jinnah vision was the same that Hindu and Muslim are separate nation with separate hero’s same as two ends that cannot meet. Most divisive vision that has undone painstaking effort of Mahatma Gandhi who was trying to take along Muslims (even while the later was indulging in unspeakable crimes against Hindus that even Ambedkar had to criticize in the view of Mapilla massacre)
There is no Jinnah version, Jinnah statements were often paradoxical about Pakistan. And if you try to understand Jinnah's version of Pakistan from 41 to 47 then the central idea of Pakistan is quite similar
As a Christian in Pakistan I can relate to her at sooo many levels and it's like first time in my life somebody is actually speaking about it all without sugar coating anything. Unfortunate reality of minorities in Pakistan ✔
I am Indian, born in a Hindu family, and 50 years old now. I do not believe in the concept of organized religion and detest all of them. Before watching this video, I never realized and appreciated how great a country India is, especially, when it comes to the co-existence of religions. I spent my childhood in a neighborhood that had a Muslim majority. My younger brother and sister went to a Christian school. I believe most Indians have sufficient knowledge of other religions and their festivals/ celebrations. I guess India is the only country on planet Earth where we have government holidays for main festivals/ celebrations of all the religions - Christian, Jain, Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist, and Muslim. Mary is a very beautiful, super intelligent, confident, and brave girl. I will love to sit with her and listen to her for hours. Hamza Shoaib, please pass my regards to her. I don't know why I felt so sad after listening to her story. I will like to add one thing - I don't know why most Pakistanis believe that Muslims are treated badly in India and suffer a lot. Heard the same sentiment in this video also. This is not true at all. I guess hate and fear-mongers have done their job very well.
Thank you, Hamza. This is so relatable as a Pakistan Christian. I can relate so much to her life. From defending friends, to comparative study because of low self esteem, from living in Bahar colony, coming to FC college and seeing so many Christians around - all of this I have been through. Thank you for making this. God bless! ♥️
Unfortunately Christians in India do this to Poor Hindus, I remember in South India where boss is Christian and he does conversions of low level workers by means of coercion. In covid times, I know a woman working in IT company, salary is also good, but when she needed oxygen cylinder fir her perents in her village, Christian groups offered if she converted and she had no choice. What a cult man. Hitchens was right.
@@atulyt2129 I am so sorry to hear this. My heart goes out to every minority group out there. Be it Hindus, Muslims, or my own community. I pray for better times ahead.
Mary your interview brings out such strong emotions in me. I have to take a break from time to time. I can't watch it straight. You are so inspirational I wish you the best in life. ❤️
As an Indian Christian (catholic) I feel very fortunate to be born in India. Contrary to how Christians are perceived in Pakistan Indian Christians are considered as well educated, forward thinking broad minded and well to do people.There are 18 families in the the apartment that my family lives in,here in Delhi. 3 Christian families,1 Muslim family rest are Hindus. Every Christmas we make 17 extra cakes for the entire building , every Navratri on ashtami my nieces would run around the whole building for "kanya Pooja". Saraswati Pooja jagran is organised on our roof top every year and entire building is invited for the dinner. We don't go for pooja but we go for the dinner and Zara and Majid also join in. This how the majority lives here. Whatever you see on news are actually in minority. We never felt like hiding our identity or faith infact we flaunt it, our cars Will always have the staue of either Jesus or mother Mary or a Rosary placed in them.
Thanks for saying this. aap humare ho aur hamesha hamare rahoge. Kisi ki haisiyat/aukaat nahi hai aapko ya kisi minority ko yaha se nikalne ki. Know that 1.4 billion people stand in your defense.
It takes a lot of courage to give minorities a voice in a country like pakistan..we would like to hear more such voices,they are really unheard till now.
My mother is a Pakistani Pentecostal Christian. She was born in multan and then raised in Christian town Sialkot & Karachi. She went to the Middle East for schooling and had a bachelors degree and was a registered nurse. I heard about the way Christian Pakistanis are treated especially the poor ones in villages. I hope and pray one day Pakistan can be filled with peace and love not just with the minorities living there but with their neighbors India as well. In the states all desis whether Indian, Bengali, Christian Muslim we all get along. There are marriages between Christian and Muslim or Hindu. We aren’t raised w biases and hatred. I have a lot of love for Muslims as I have many close friends who are Muslims and a few family members. I pray this stigma goes away from Pakistan one day. And that Pakistan blossoms as a country and the ppl soften their hearts there. Where there is education there is no ignorance. Educating ourselves is the way to diminish ignorance.
How uninformed you are. Minorities find it hard to live in Pakistan. I would any day stay in India. And proud to stay in India. This lady’s father is right, a lousy country to stay in.
Correction, you ancestors choose to stay back because of practical reasons and not for love for India. FYI, it was India's main land Muslim who elected Jinnah's muslim League. Muslim had reserve constituency. Then later realismen kicked in and did stayed back.
I like your interview Mary I feel like you are telling my story when I was in Pakistan with my Daughter and wife my daughter did Master's in Pakistan now we move out from Pakistan now we are enjoying our life stay blessed beta. ❤
Great show Hamza.. No one dared to ask these and you just shown it is not that taboo to have these conversation. And these are the conversations need to happen for the country to grow through self introspection.
While growing up I, being a Muslim kid, also felt it exclusively that I'm more Pakistani than my fellow Christian community kids. And I was so convinced of the idea that I have to convert them all to Islam because it will be a favour to them....... And after I got married, I had an amazing house help women who was Christian and all of us would talk behind her back that "Yaar she's so nice it's a pity she's not a Muslim" And, with all honesty, I tried so hard to convince her k Woh Muslim ho jaiay so that "she can go to Jannah" Alhamdolillah, summa alhamdolillah I've got my ideas straight finally, though I think very late in life but, at least, i did.....
@@MDVaashir takabbur is what is wrong. Presenting the idea of Islam to someone is okay and if they like it, they can convert themselves, but thinking that everyone should convert to what "you think" is right, is very wrong. It is not the idea Allah SWT has told us to follow.
@@BforBakee Its not about what 'I/You' think is right. This is what Allah SWT has made as an obligation for all Muslims. Surah al-Nahl, verse 125 Invite (all) to the Way of Allah SWT with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious.
Thank you hamza this podcast is relatable to every Christian in Pakistan kindly do more podcast like this you are doing well God bless you more and more
As a Christian catholic in India, I am previlgied to be in India, the other community in India thinks that as a community we are very educated, speak good English, as a catholic we get admission in convent school easily, and we have good healthy positive culture here
" i dont want to die here" that is so powerful statement and host is not even reacting. Sad. Here in india , i have never seen anyone say that. Yahan to ulta hota hai. Ppl return to die here
I feel you, fam. Being a Christian like you, I've peeped the struggle since way back. It's like a never-ending loop - no love yesterday, no love tomorrow in Pakistan. We stay getting treated like we ain't even human. This ain't new, it's been the same old story. We've been through the grind, and guess what? We still grinding. Ain't nobody out there really knowing the hurt of watching our homes and churches go up in flames, right in front of our eyes. #Jaranwalaincident, never forget.
This is so interesting to see as a Christian woman myself. Majority of experiences sister mentioned I could relate. Being a minority and a woman especially is not for the weak, and if you are darker than the majority phir tou bas micro-aggression aur vibes🥲🫢 and I very much agree that we need to separate culture and religion because it has caused so much damage within various communities. It was refreshing to hear her perspective.
India m koi muslims ko convert krne ko nhi bolte!! Srk salman Aamir is biggest superstar in india !! And how many star are hindu !! Hindu chodo non Muslim kitne h 😂😂in Pakistan
I’m a Catholic in India. Sad to hear the condition of minorities in Pakistan. It seems Pakistan is a gone case. Minorities in India generally don’t face any discrimination. Muslims may face some issues presently, but that is political. Hamza is completely wrong when he says that there is a routine discrimination against Muslims in india. We are a secular country unlike Pakistan which is Islamic. Minorities have full freedom here. They became President, Prime Minister, Army, Navy, Airforce chief. They are top scientists, performing artists, industrialists, doctors/lawyers/engineers etc
Allhamdulillah Pakistan mein bohat bare bare doctors teacher's hai Jo k christian Hindu hai... Karachi k andar lakho ki tadad mein log rehte hai christian or Hindu Jo Sath me rehte hai Job karte hai..
Hey Hamza bro. I loved the interview and the lady (would personally love to hear her more) I'm Indian. And I wanna inform you this from bottom of my heart that India is a secular country. Not by mere letters, but in true spirit. You can be Hindu, Muslim, Sikh or Christian. Above all we consider ourselves Indians first. Yes, it's true that there's political resistance towards Muslims from the ruling party, won't deny it. But the social fabric of India, is was and will always be secular. So kindly and it's a request to interact with people here who are Indian Muslims, Christians, Sikhs or whatever (thanks to Internet, connect digitally) and please educate Pakistani crowd about there first hand experiences. I'm not saying that India doesn't have any communal tensions but your justification of Pakistan's creation and moral support to *coward* Jinnah shows your misinformation. I'm 1000% sure if you come to know how India actually is, you'll hate Jinnah and Pakistan for rest of your life. Forget about equating Minorities of both countries (remember, India had Muslims as PM, President, Scientist, Cricketer and what not. And you know how politically and socially Pakistani Hindus are, where they can't be President, PM or whatever by Islamic constitution) Loads of love from India. Wish you more success bro 😊
@@Hamzashoaibshow thanks bro. Thanks for the reply. I hope that your research about how India truly is, would be eye opening to you and help others to be informed. Baaki I wish aap khud kabhi hamare India aao and khud se dekho ki asal me yaha chize kesi hain... It's really difficult to discover India from Left-Right media etc etc... Lucknow aaiyega toh I'll love to host you personally. Love you always :)
Let's talk about Ahmedi's. That hatred is not due to status but pure evil hatred for another class of muslim, which comes from islamic teaching. The superiority concept lies in islam. As allah has claimed in the evil quran that muslims are the best of people. Adam Seeker on youtube, who is an ex-muslim, and clearly well versed in the quran, hadiths, tafsirs and he exposes the evils of islam and muhammad.
To the host who has doubts on India, we have Presidents and vice Presidents from Muslim community in recent past. Good people always found theie way out to higher positions. Only those muslims are facing issues in India who want to still remain in 6th century and want fellow hindus to follow the same. Why should Hindus in India not retaliate to shit things done by particular people ? Muslims across the globe should learn to co exist with people from other religions. It will be the biggest help to the entire world.
Also Pakistan can have a CAA like policy to invite the suppressed community in India to their country to give them freedom of religion.. let’s see how many of them migrate.. the idea of pak was a failure on it’s creation when majority of muslims did not leave india to pak which indicates the muslims themselves didn’t believe in the idea of AL BAK
India m koi muslims ko convert krne ko nhi bolte!! Srk salman Aamir is biggest superstar in india !! And how many star are hindu !! Hindu chodo non Muslim kitne h 😂😂
I am a Pakistani Christian, half Filipino people think of me as japanese because of my skin and eyes, now here is what I have observed in the last 28 years of my life, the majority of the Pakistani people mindset is HATE and intolerance towards other races and faith But I am treated like a king because I look like a person from a rich race, these Pakistani people forget the fact that I am Christian but my Christian friends who are brown or black they are treated very differently, now here's the conclusion in Pakistan there is racism radicalism and self righteousness but if you carry yourself well and develop your mindset, mannerisms body, and financial situation for your own sake, these Pakistani racist, self righteous, radical people will 80% forget the fact that you're Christian, hindu ,sikh etc. It's very hypocritical this Pakistani mindset very image based but that's the truth, but even with all these privilege I am very careful with Muslim people Why? Because You never know who can paste a fake blasphemy on you. I am a liberal and keep my things, my fun to myself and do my best to ignore any religious discriminating comments, Bottom line= in Pakistan you have to respect yourself first before getting any respect here but you have to be careful of the lawlessness and extremism
so why r u in Pakistan??? go anywhere where you feel easy darling.......itni nafrat ....toba ...we r also living in Pakistan........philipine chali jao ....shayed wahan skon mil jaye.....q k pori pakistani tu hu nai
@@guriyasdairy2026 I think you don't understand English that's why you didn't read the entire comment also I am not in Pakistan why should I waste my time here
@@techninfo421 i read your your entire bakwas darling.......bs kuch logon ko adat ha Pakistan k khilaf bhonkny ki ......just because of their dimagh ka keera.......Allah ka shukar ha hmain tu buht skon ha Pak ma.....meri frnds chiristain han...mery 2 teacher chiristain han.....hm unki buht respect krty .....they also happy with us......
It was never about religion but the culture of caste. Caste has no boundaries that contain it in any religious premises. Almost 95% of Christians in Pakistan are erstwhile 'untouchables' who converted to Christianity from Hinduism to escape caste persecution during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. And, all these stereotypes about Christians Mary talked about being born out of the practice of untouchability and their menial caste occupation that is still prevalent in Pakistan as well as North India.
Relatable as a Pakistani Christian who lives in Islamabad. We are 2nd class citizens ... and this country will never accept us Pakistanis. No matter what u do.
I loved this Interview Kudos to you God bless ……thank you for talking about this matter…..my husband is from Lahore and he has faced all this and his family still facing this…….I am confused Pakistani Muslim are dying to go to Christian country who say Christian are not clean ,they say Christian stink Christian are Kafir,choors then stay in your country don’t go to Christian countries.treat your Minorities with equal right and treat them as human how Christian countries treat you all ……shame
Don't have the mistaken notion that Indians, in general, want the borders to be open for artistes, sports etc. Sorry, India and Indians have moved much ahead...simply not required or desired. I think, u need to update and learn about India a lot more! India is NOT Delhi or Punjab of the low quality Bolly' stuff! It has 28 states and 8 UTs who's diversity, richness of culture, music films are giving global competitors a run. Well sm Paxtan artistes we liked ( and still do)...but nothing in the last decade...u just need to update urselves!
If u haven’t visited India then how can u say minorities in India r oppressed 🤦♀️🤦♀️Societies can be conservative but not state .. India treats all its citizens equal irrespective of their religion but Hypocrisy of urs is Ur state discriminates non muslaman can not be PM , army chief etc etc .. 🙄🙄🙄
Liked the video but the only thing I am highly disappointed is- when you have not visited India, when you have not studied current Indian govt how are you so sure that in India minority Muslims ke saath issues hote hai, Indian govt are against Muslims? No dear- you really to visit India before judging its policy against Muslims and minorities. You can clearly see the difference of how minorities are staying in India- the education, financial situation, career, how they practice their religion- you can see how minorities are treated in India and how they are treated in Pakistan. Actually it cannot be compared only.
Feels sad for minorities in Pakistan.. Wish their ancestors could have fled to India during partition.. they would hve been in bettr situation 🥲coz it was so clear that land was for muslamanssss what made them stay there 😢
Fascinating interview. Hamza seems to however, be in Muslim apologetics. 1stly, statement if you're privileged enough, regardless of religion, yo don't get punished. This if a typical technique of majority silencing minority that the real war is paisa vs non paisa. No, the idea of equality is that even the lowest rung gets treated the same, as the highest rung. So for eg: a crime or accusation against a Muslim is treated equally as against a Christian. We have seen that's not true in even the remotest sense. 2ndly, he mentiojs he is also poor. Dude, no one cares about your sob stiry. Stop gaslighting and let the lady speak on how effed up it is as a minority in Pakistan. 3rdly, my own personal interaction with Pakistan Christian - Bohemia thr Punjabi rapper, thr godfather of Punjab rap. 2 Shae Gill, an upcoming stalwart. 3, a Pakistan Christian girl in my Indian school in Kuwait, who was gorgeous, smart, poised and everyone had s crush on her . You guys are gems,
Firstly, paisa vs non paisa mein you see that a lot of white or wealthy christians get treated very differently in Pakistan in comparison to dark skinned poor christians. I don't endorse this, only stating my own observations. Secondly, I am not poor neither did I mention my own sob story. I don't have one. Thirdly, yes there are SOME christians in Pakistan who did break out of their shackles but sadly there are not a lot. I don't discriminate based on anything. I believe in being humans first and everything else later.
So true. For the subcontinent especially. It's also all about money in the end. If you are rich, you are accepted everywhere, irrespective of cast, creed, faith or colour.
@Your_real_dadThere're Too Many Strange Thing In Our Subcontinent. Since Childhood, I Have Faced Descrimination For Being Dark Skinned. Minority, Majority Doesn't Matter. Even My Muslm Friends Crack Jokes On Me. Though, I Take It Lightly. Despite Of Having Same Religion, Same Caste, Same City, Same Culture. One Of Marriage Proposal Got Rejected Because The Sub-caste Didn't Match. Later, I Discovered That There Are 7 Layers Of Sub-castes Within A Caste. Everything Should Match.🤦♂️ These Layers Are Created To Dominate Over Each Other. It's Not Going Away Even In Next Thousand Years.
Aap kal khol de border sab dost kabhi nahi honge, indian shayad ho bhi jaye pakistani kabhi nai honge. Jab unhe bachpan se hi sikhaya h ki non Muslim dost nai hote to border kholne se kya ho jayega.
I love this. We need more inclusiveness in Pakistan. We need a merit base system, not a system based on your background. We need the original Jinnah vision back in Pakistan. Please interview more Hindus, Christians, Parsi, Sikhs, etc. Thanks again.
I will try my best. Thanks for the support
But Islam has all the traits of a cult. And it’s members show all the cultish ness of a cult. So how would inclusiveness happen in such a Islamically radicalized country? In other Muslim countries, like Indonesia it is slowly happening there too. It is tightening day by day. So may be first make your country secular.
And original Jinnah vision was the same that Hindu and Muslim are separate nation with separate hero’s same as two ends that cannot meet. Most divisive vision that has undone painstaking effort of Mahatma Gandhi who was trying to take along Muslims (even while the later was indulging in unspeakable crimes against Hindus that even Ambedkar had to criticize in the view of Mapilla massacre)
Totally agreed💯
There is no Jinnah version, Jinnah statements were often paradoxical about Pakistan. And if you try to understand Jinnah's version of Pakistan from 41 to 47 then the central idea of Pakistan is quite similar
This is such a good podcast! I can relate to it as a Pakistani Christian.
Thanks man
As a Christian in Pakistan I can relate to her at sooo many levels and it's like first time in my life somebody is actually speaking about it all without sugar coating anything. Unfortunate reality of minorities in Pakistan ✔
Don't forget minipur
sorry sister
I'm a Danish masih proud to be a Christian
I am Indian, born in a Hindu family, and 50 years old now. I do not believe in the concept of organized religion and detest all of them. Before watching this video, I never realized and appreciated how great a country India is, especially, when it comes to the co-existence of religions. I spent my childhood in a neighborhood that had a Muslim majority. My younger brother and sister went to a Christian school. I believe most Indians have sufficient knowledge of other religions and their festivals/ celebrations. I guess India is the only country on planet Earth where we have government holidays for main festivals/ celebrations of all the religions - Christian, Jain, Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist, and Muslim. Mary is a very beautiful, super intelligent, confident, and brave girl. I will love to sit with her and listen to her for hours. Hamza Shoaib, please pass my regards to her. I don't know why I felt so sad after listening to her story.
I will like to add one thing - I don't know why most Pakistanis believe that Muslims are treated badly in India and suffer a lot. Heard the same sentiment in this video also. This is not true at all. I guess hate and fear-mongers have done their job very well.
I'm Christian from Hyderabad pakistan Earned a subscribe keep up the Good work bro.. this conversation was indeed needed..
Don't believe the terrorist mindset wale Paxtani Muslims
Thank you, Hamza. This is so relatable as a Pakistan Christian. I can relate so much to her life. From defending friends, to comparative study because of low self esteem, from living in Bahar colony, coming to FC college and seeing so many Christians around - all of this I have been through.
Thank you for making this. God bless! ♥️
My pleasure. Its high time Pakistan think about inclusive growth.
Unfortunately Christians in India do this to Poor Hindus, I remember in South India where boss is Christian and he does conversions of low level workers by means of coercion.
In covid times, I know a woman working in IT company, salary is also good, but when she needed oxygen cylinder fir her perents in her village, Christian groups offered if she converted and she had no choice.
What a cult man.
Hitchens was right.
@@atulyt2129 I am so sorry to hear this. My heart goes out to every minority group out there. Be it Hindus, Muslims, or my own community. I pray for better times ahead.
@@atulyt2129 So sad Introduce me with that boss I want to slap him I am a Christian from Odisha. I do not like such type of Christian.
I m Roman catholic and I m Indian being a minority in India I m happy and enjoying my independence. Jai hind ❤
Mary your interview brings out such strong emotions in me. I have to take a break from time to time. I can't watch it straight. You are so inspirational I wish you the best in life. ❤️
As an Indian Christian (catholic) I feel very fortunate to be born in India.
Contrary to how Christians are perceived in Pakistan Indian Christians are considered as well educated, forward thinking broad minded and well to do people.There are 18 families in the the apartment that my family lives in,here in Delhi.
3 Christian families,1 Muslim family rest are Hindus.
Every Christmas we make 17 extra cakes for the entire building , every Navratri on ashtami my nieces would run around the whole building for "kanya Pooja".
Saraswati Pooja jagran is organised on our roof top every year and entire building is invited for the dinner.
We don't go for pooja but we go for the dinner and Zara and Majid also join in.
This how the majority lives here.
Whatever you see on news are actually in minority.
We never felt like hiding our identity or faith infact we flaunt it, our cars Will always have the staue of either Jesus or mother Mary or a Rosary placed in them.
Lucky you.
@@Hamzashoaibshow God's been kind.
True 😂 Hindus are idiot with fake religion no rules and regulations do anything.
You are so gud luck but we're so bad luck caus being Pakistanis....
Thanks for saying this. aap humare ho aur hamesha hamare rahoge. Kisi ki haisiyat/aukaat nahi hai aapko ya kisi minority ko yaha se nikalne ki. Know that 1.4 billion people stand in your defense.
It takes a lot of courage to give minorities a voice in a country like pakistan..we would like to hear more such voices,they are really unheard till now.
Thank you so much. Trying to do this.
My mother is a Pakistani Pentecostal Christian. She was born in multan and then raised in Christian town Sialkot & Karachi. She went to the Middle East for schooling and had a bachelors degree and was a registered nurse. I heard about the way Christian Pakistanis are treated especially the poor ones in villages. I hope and pray one day Pakistan can be filled with peace and love not just with the minorities living there but with their neighbors India as well. In the states all desis whether Indian, Bengali, Christian Muslim we all get along. There are marriages between Christian and Muslim or Hindu. We aren’t raised w biases and hatred. I have a lot of love for Muslims as I have many close friends who are Muslims and a few family members. I pray this stigma goes away from Pakistan one day. And that Pakistan blossoms as a country and the ppl soften their hearts there. Where there is education there is no ignorance. Educating ourselves is the way to diminish ignorance.
you are speaking truth in holy name of JESUS CHRIST
Veeeery well done! Brave conversations. Sooo much needed. Bravo!!!
After Listening this interview, I realized how privileged an Indian minority is.
Sunke hi itna dangerous society lag raha hain.
Dalits get burn alive for entering temples in India
Privileged 🎉
@@Friend_to_humanity in india or Pakistan? Are Christian’s allowed to have names like “Ashish” in Pakistan?
How uninformed you are. Minorities find it hard to live in Pakistan. I would any day stay in India. And proud to stay in India. This lady’s father is right, a lousy country to stay in.
@@dollartreeshark6786 india me hai bhai
I'm an Indian🇮🇳 muslim and proud on my ancestors who chose to live in secular india.
We are way better here.
Correction, you ancestors choose to stay back because of practical reasons and not for love for India. FYI, it was India's main land Muslim who elected Jinnah's muslim League. Muslim had reserve constituency. Then later realismen kicked in and did stayed back.
Just saying about your ancestors, I am not judgeing about you. You may be more patriot tha me.
@@bollywoodstatus7802 as I said earlier, I am not judgeing you.
@@Taqiyya-Slayerbut not every muslim wanted a separate nation you need to read reports of partition
@@MayankKhemka some what true, but then majority of them voted for Muslim league. Jinnah's constituency was Bombay.
I like your interview Mary I feel like you are telling my story when I was in Pakistan with my Daughter and wife my daughter did Master's in Pakistan now we move out from Pakistan now we are enjoying our life stay blessed beta. ❤
Such a beautiful interview ❤i loved her views and ideas❤
Great show Hamza.. No one dared to ask these and you just shown it is not that taboo to have these conversation. And these are the conversations need to happen for the country to grow through self introspection.
Truly
While growing up I, being a Muslim kid, also felt it exclusively that I'm more Pakistani than my fellow Christian community kids.
And I was so convinced of the idea that I have to convert them all to Islam because it will be a favour to them.......
And after I got married, I had an amazing house help women who was Christian and all of us would talk behind her back that "Yaar she's so nice it's a pity she's not a Muslim"
And, with all honesty, I tried so hard to convince her k Woh Muslim ho jaiay so that "she can go to Jannah"
Alhamdolillah, summa alhamdolillah I've got my ideas straight finally, though I think very late in life but, at least, i did.....
Dair ayay durust ayay
How is inviting a Non-Muslim to Deen....is wrong ??
@@MDVaashir takabbur is what is wrong. Presenting the idea of Islam to someone is okay and if they like it, they can convert themselves, but thinking that everyone should convert to what "you think" is right, is very wrong. It is not the idea Allah SWT has told us to follow.
@@BforBakee
Its not about what 'I/You' think is right. This is what Allah SWT has made as an obligation for all Muslims.
Surah al-Nahl, verse 125
Invite (all) to the Way of Allah SWT with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious.
@@MDVaashir If every Muslim did this to a non-muslim day after day, the non-Muslim will die of headache
Thank you hamza this podcast is relatable to every Christian in Pakistan kindly do more podcast like this you are doing well God bless you more and more
Glad you liked it.
Ive always felt so sad about how Christians are marginalized here. They are facing so many hardships and its an almost unbreakable cycle.
Yes for sure. It also shocking that you don't see them on main stream media
how about hindus? which is your original native religion, and culture of your soil.
it was a great conversation, and it very resonated for me, as I belong to the Ahmadi community
👏🏼 happy to see people like you exist in pakistan who make such good podcast
On of the most Relatable content i ever seen
Zabardast, keep it up young lady.
Impressive work requires courage to deliver such a unique podcast.
As a Christian catholic in India, I am previlgied to be in India, the other community in India thinks that as a community we are very educated, speak good English, as a catholic we get admission in convent school easily, and we have good healthy positive culture here
This was amazing. Such an insightful conversation 👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you gi.
This is so relatable
Great job 👍God bless you abundantly you are telling the truth we all Christian’s suffering these circumstances😔
" i dont want to die here" that is so powerful statement and host is not even reacting. Sad.
Here in india , i have never seen anyone say that. Yahan to ulta hota hai. Ppl return to die here
Well said 100% agreed with Mary
Appreciated, I am Roman Catholic Christian. Many time i also asked the same question, I answer Why you do not became Christian, and got now answer.
I feel you, fam. Being a Christian like you, I've peeped the struggle since way back. It's like a never-ending loop - no love yesterday, no love tomorrow in Pakistan. We stay getting treated like we ain't even human. This ain't new, it's been the same old story. We've been through the grind, and guess what? We still grinding. Ain't nobody out there really knowing the hurt of watching our homes and churches go up in flames, right in front of our eyes. #Jaranwalaincident, never forget.
❤️ Love from a Catholic from Goa India 🇮🇳
God bless you keep up growing in Faith of Lord Jesus CHRIST
Sister 👌🏻👏 Love from India 🇮🇳 nd God bless you 👍🏻
Your podcasts are always worth watching ❣❣🤝
Thanks a lot. Means a lot.
I need to visit the Christians of this country
Bro your voice is clear! Did you cut the EQ what i suggested or changed any settings. Audio is much better bhai.
Love from karachi
Nahi yar. Some videos my equipment runs perfectly and some videos it doesn't. But I fixed a main issue on your behest. Thank you for that
One of my best podcasts
India 🇮🇳 is great!!
This is so interesting to see as a Christian woman myself. Majority of experiences sister mentioned I could relate. Being a minority and a woman especially is not for the weak, and if you are darker than the majority phir tou bas micro-aggression aur vibes🥲🫢 and I very much agree that we need to separate culture and religion because it has caused so much damage within various communities.
It was refreshing to hear her perspective.
Keep up the good work..😍
Mary great interview
I come to know many things about pakistani minorities
Brave and Intelligent lady 👍
Ye stereotypes har jagaha hote hein jo inse bahar nikal jata hein wo tarakki kar jata hein
True💯
God Bless You
In India Christian are genrel category (upper cast )
But Many places Christians are in low category in India
With the help of this kind of video we can understand the minorities situation in Pakistan
India m koi muslims ko convert krne ko nhi bolte!! Srk salman Aamir is biggest superstar in india !! And how many star are hindu !! Hindu chodo non Muslim kitne h 😂😂in Pakistan
Thank God I am in India 🤩🤩🤩
Great 👍
Proud to be Hindustani❤
I’m a Catholic in India. Sad to hear the condition of minorities in Pakistan. It seems Pakistan is a gone case.
Minorities in India generally don’t face any discrimination. Muslims may face some issues presently, but that is political.
Hamza is completely wrong when he says that there is a routine discrimination against Muslims in india.
We are a secular country unlike Pakistan which is Islamic.
Minorities have full freedom here. They became President, Prime Minister, Army, Navy, Airforce chief. They are top scientists, performing artists, industrialists, doctors/lawyers/engineers etc
I'm proud of u❤
In Pakistan the Christians are most indigenous people along with bhils because most of them are converted from lower castes
Same feeling as Pakistan...
Allhamdulillah Pakistan mein bohat bare bare doctors teacher's hai Jo k christian Hindu hai... Karachi k andar lakho ki tadad mein log rehte hai christian or Hindu Jo Sath me rehte hai Job karte hai..
Mary you are very wise for your age.God bless you
Hey Hamza bro. I loved the interview and the lady (would personally love to hear her more)
I'm Indian. And I wanna inform you this from bottom of my heart that India is a secular country. Not by mere letters, but in true spirit. You can be Hindu, Muslim, Sikh or Christian. Above all we consider ourselves Indians first.
Yes, it's true that there's political resistance towards Muslims from the ruling party, won't deny it. But the social fabric of India, is was and will always be secular. So kindly and it's a request to interact with people here who are Indian Muslims, Christians, Sikhs or whatever (thanks to Internet, connect digitally) and please educate Pakistani crowd about there first hand experiences.
I'm not saying that India doesn't have any communal tensions but your justification of Pakistan's creation and moral support to *coward* Jinnah shows your misinformation. I'm 1000% sure if you come to know how India actually is, you'll hate Jinnah and Pakistan for rest of your life. Forget about equating Minorities of both countries (remember, India had Muslims as PM, President, Scientist, Cricketer and what not. And you know how politically and socially Pakistani Hindus are, where they can't be President, PM or whatever by Islamic constitution)
Loads of love from India. Wish you more success bro 😊
Thank you for clarifying. I would love some cross border interactions
@@Hamzashoaibshow thanks bro. Thanks for the reply. I hope that your research about how India truly is, would be eye opening to you and help others to be informed.
Baaki I wish aap khud kabhi hamare India aao and khud se dekho ki asal me yaha chize kesi hain... It's really difficult to discover India from Left-Right media etc etc...
Lucknow aaiyega toh I'll love to host you personally.
Love you always :)
Let's talk about Ahmedi's. That hatred is not due to status but pure evil hatred for another class of muslim, which comes from islamic teaching. The superiority concept lies in islam. As allah has claimed in the evil quran that muslims are the best of people. Adam Seeker on youtube, who is an ex-muslim, and clearly well versed in the quran, hadiths, tafsirs and he exposes the evils of islam and muhammad.
Bhai jaan plz make a video on miya mithu who's converting minor hindus grl in Islam.
To the host who has doubts on India, we have Presidents and vice Presidents from Muslim community in recent past. Good people always found theie way out to higher positions.
Only those muslims are facing issues in India who want to still remain in 6th century and want fellow hindus to follow the same.
Why should Hindus in India not retaliate to shit things done by particular people ?
Muslims across the globe should learn to co exist with people from other religions. It will be the biggest help to the entire world.
I don't have doubts on India
Also Pakistan can have a CAA like policy to invite the suppressed community in India to their country to give them freedom of religion.. let’s see how many of them migrate.. the idea of pak was a failure on it’s creation when majority of muslims did not leave india to pak which indicates the muslims themselves didn’t believe in the idea of AL BAK
To all Al Bakis who think we are same plz unhe Tripura ya Nagaland ya Tamil Nadu bhej do kuch mahine.. pata chal jayega kitne same hain..
Why so few likes on this video?
Very concerning.
Kya karein
Hone do! Chamakte raho! I love you both Humza and Mary.
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Privileged phenomena or Radical phenomena. Maybe both applied to AR.
Atleast aisa india m toh nhi hota itna extreme !!
India m koi muslims ko convert krne ko nhi bolte!! Srk salman Aamir is biggest superstar in india !! And how many star are hindu !! Hindu chodo non Muslim kitne h 😂😂
I am a Pakistani Christian, half Filipino people think of me as japanese because of my skin and eyes, now here is what I have observed in the last 28 years of my life, the majority of the Pakistani people mindset is HATE and intolerance towards other races and faith But I am treated like a king because I look like a person from a rich race, these Pakistani people forget the fact that I am Christian but my Christian friends who are brown or black they are treated very differently, now here's the conclusion in Pakistan there is racism radicalism and self righteousness but if you carry yourself well and develop your mindset, mannerisms body, and financial situation for your own sake, these Pakistani racist, self righteous, radical people will 80% forget the fact that you're Christian, hindu ,sikh etc. It's very hypocritical this Pakistani mindset very image based but that's the truth, but even with all these privilege I am very careful with Muslim people Why? Because You never know who can paste a fake blasphemy on you. I am a liberal and keep my things, my fun to myself and do my best to ignore any religious discriminating comments,
Bottom line= in Pakistan you have to respect yourself first before getting any respect here but you have to be careful of the lawlessness and extremism
So true. Thank you for saying this.
so why r u in Pakistan??? go anywhere where you feel easy darling.......itni nafrat ....toba ...we r also living in Pakistan........philipine chali jao ....shayed wahan skon mil jaye.....q k pori pakistani tu hu nai
@@guriyasdairy2026 I think you don't understand English that's why you didn't read the entire comment also I am not in Pakistan why should I waste my time here
Issi mindset ka masla hai.
@@techninfo421 i read your your entire bakwas darling.......bs kuch logon ko adat ha Pakistan k khilaf bhonkny ki ......just because of their dimagh ka keera.......Allah ka shukar ha hmain tu buht skon ha Pak ma.....meri frnds chiristain han...mery 2 teacher chiristain han.....hm unki buht respect krty .....they also happy with us......
It was never about religion but the culture of caste. Caste has no boundaries that contain it in any religious premises. Almost 95% of Christians in Pakistan are erstwhile 'untouchables' who converted to Christianity from Hinduism to escape caste persecution during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. And, all these stereotypes about Christians Mary talked about being born out of the practice of untouchability and their menial caste occupation that is still prevalent in Pakistan as well as North India.
Relatable as a Pakistani Christian who lives in Islamabad.
We are 2nd class citizens ... and this country will never accept us Pakistanis. No matter what u do.
Thank you for this podcast. You can add one more thing "tum Christian ni lgty kyn k tumara rang gora hai"
I loved this Interview Kudos to you God bless ……thank you for talking about this matter…..my husband is from Lahore and he has faced all this and his family still facing this…….I am confused Pakistani Muslim are dying to go to Christian country who say Christian are not clean ,they say Christian stink Christian are Kafir,choors then stay in your country don’t go to Christian countries.treat your Minorities with equal right and treat them as human how Christian countries treat you all ……shame
It's called hypocrisy
Christians are safe in India 🇮🇳
I am proud of you beata God Bless you this is true this is Pakistani Muslim Hakket Church say nufrat ✝️💒🙏🙏🙏❤️
For a fundamentalist educated literate hindu, islam and xtianity are two faces of the same coin.
Itna sach really ap dono ny dill khush kr diya... Per yeh sab batain is country se nai ja skti parhy likhy jahil hai yahan...
jesus bless Mary Pervaiz
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Education system me बदलाव जरूरी है। कुछ चीजें बंद होनी चाहिए।😎
A bit of a glimpse of what is mistakenly called "Hinduism" ( actually 'Sanatana") ...th-cam.com/video/xlBEEuYIWwY/w-d-xo.html
Don't have the mistaken notion that Indians, in general, want the borders to be open for artistes, sports etc. Sorry, India and Indians have moved much ahead...simply not required or desired. I think, u need to update and learn about India a lot more! India is NOT Delhi or Punjab of the low quality Bolly' stuff! It has 28 states and 8 UTs who's diversity, richness of culture, music films are giving global competitors a run. Well sm Paxtan artistes we liked ( and still do)...but nothing in the last decade...u just need to update urselves!
If u haven’t visited India then how can u say minorities in India r oppressed 🤦♀️🤦♀️Societies can be conservative but not state .. India treats all its citizens equal irrespective of their religion but Hypocrisy of urs is Ur state discriminates non muslaman can not be PM , army chief etc etc .. 🙄🙄🙄
In Pakistan co-existence left the chat 💀
Our indian Nagaland is Christian
Liked the video but the only thing I am highly disappointed is- when you have not visited India, when you have not studied current Indian govt how are you so sure that in India minority Muslims ke saath issues hote hai, Indian govt are against Muslims?
No dear- you really to visit India before judging its policy against Muslims and minorities.
You can clearly see the difference of how minorities are staying in India- the education, financial situation, career, how they practice their religion- you can see how minorities are treated in India and how they are treated in Pakistan.
Actually it cannot be compared only.
Feels sad for minorities in Pakistan.. Wish their ancestors could have fled to India during partition.. they would hve been in bettr situation 🥲coz it was so clear that land was for muslamanssss what made them stay there 😢
Fascinating interview. Hamza seems to however, be in Muslim apologetics.
1stly, statement if you're privileged enough, regardless of religion, yo don't get punished. This if a typical technique of majority silencing minority that the real war is paisa vs non paisa. No, the idea of equality is that even the lowest rung gets treated the same, as the highest rung. So for eg: a crime or accusation against a Muslim is treated equally as against a Christian. We have seen that's not true in even the remotest sense.
2ndly, he mentiojs he is also poor. Dude, no one cares about your sob stiry. Stop gaslighting and let the lady speak on how effed up it is as a minority in Pakistan.
3rdly, my own personal interaction with Pakistan Christian - Bohemia thr Punjabi rapper, thr godfather of Punjab rap. 2 Shae Gill, an upcoming stalwart. 3, a Pakistan Christian girl in my Indian school in Kuwait, who was gorgeous, smart, poised and everyone had s crush on her . You guys are gems,
Firstly, paisa vs non paisa mein you see that a lot of white or wealthy christians get treated very differently in Pakistan in comparison to dark skinned poor christians. I don't endorse this, only stating my own observations.
Secondly, I am not poor neither did I mention my own sob story. I don't have one.
Thirdly, yes there are SOME christians in Pakistan who did break out of their shackles but sadly there are not a lot. I don't discriminate based on anything. I believe in being humans first and everything else later.
Reason is clear bhai religion Islam
A religion on 2 billion people. Not the lack of education, awareness and overall civic sense?
Ur statement on women are safe in Pakistan 😅😅😅😅 what a joke
We Indians want Imran Khan to be Paxton's PM
Tumhara beda gark karne k liye wo Katora Khan hi kaafi h 😂😂😂
Its all about caste, religion is just a layer on top of it.
So true. For the subcontinent especially. It's also all about money in the end. If you are rich, you are accepted everywhere, irrespective of cast, creed, faith or colour.
@Your_real_dadThere're Too Many Strange Thing In Our Subcontinent.
Since Childhood, I Have Faced Descrimination For Being Dark Skinned. Minority, Majority Doesn't Matter. Even My Muslm Friends Crack Jokes On Me. Though, I Take It Lightly.
Despite Of Having Same Religion, Same Caste, Same City, Same Culture. One Of Marriage Proposal Got Rejected Because The Sub-caste Didn't Match. Later, I Discovered That There Are 7 Layers Of Sub-castes Within A Caste. Everything Should Match.🤦♂️
These Layers Are Created To Dominate Over Each Other. It's Not Going Away Even In Next Thousand Years.
@Your_real_dad No Hope. Why Would Government Let Casteism End? They Get Votes By Using Religion, Caste. It Will Never End.
That called Christiaphobia in Pakistan
Podcast acha hae but apko indian minority ke bare mein thoda research karna chaie
Translation ke saath aaap sahi se padhke samjha hoga to will no more be muslim!!!! I don’t know what version u guys read🤦♀️
Aap kal khol de border sab dost kabhi nahi honge, indian shayad ho bhi jaye pakistani kabhi nai honge. Jab unhe bachpan se hi sikhaya h ki non Muslim dost nai hote to border kholne se kya ho jayega.
or you are speaking Urdu/Hindi or English, no one can comprehend anything.
Ex muslim Zindabad❤
Ahhhh hooo .. ye bhi yuthiyas he nikleee 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
You talk about India is all false.