The Beginning and the End of the Wild West
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- The Beginning and the End of the Wild West
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As long as Santee is around and keeping the West alive the West will never end. Thanks Santee and Company!
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Well said Frank
He's inspiring more of us to be historians as well
I agree, Santee’s videos make all Reenactors better at history and acting.
Yes, well said. We need more folks like Santee.
My great grandfather use to tell me the story about how his family left Montana in a wagon to head to Alaska. Got as far as Seattle, when his father decided it was “to damn cold” and headed south and settled in southern Oregon. That was the late 1910s and that always felt right to me as the end.
For the beginning, part of me wants to say Lewis & Clark was the soft start but 1820 seems to be the more common answer.
Yeah, that would still be in the fur trading era...which is Old West.
I live in Lawrenceburg Tn, it's about 20 mins from the Natchez Trace. A very historical travel route . Soon as u get on/off in Hohenwald Tn (20 mons from my hse) then it'd Meriwether Leeis burial site and cabin where he was shot. Very cool history. It's not a big tourist spot ,just something nobody talks about.
Lewis and Clark, just because they were exploring did not mean it was the beginning of the Old West, the Old West starts with settlers, and towns being built.
So I guess my 1903 sewing machine can still be considered "Old West"?? The wife and I were having this same conversation last night. Very informative video Santee!
Yes, absolutely
Last stagecoach robbery was in 1913, by then. Crime within 1912 was not as rampant. For me, what defines the wild west was its crimes, Bank Robbery (although rare, and not as grand of a story, they did happen. Just not as the media depicts it), train, stagecoach robbery, horse theft. And any type of crime, where it was... wild. Wild with disease, bad people, and counties, towns being constructed, and the Government trying to tame the old west, and form a civilized country.
So my guess, 1865 was the beginning. 1912 was the end
I wish the end of the Wild West wasn’t so overlooked. After Red Dead Redemption 2 came out everybody believes the Wild West ended in 1899. Great video as always Santee
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no one belives that haha
Hi Santee. I enjoyed the video. These are questions we’ve kicked around for a long time. People think you can compartmentalize time periods, but, really, one era slowly morphs into the next. Wyatt Earp was still around in the 1920s, and Jeff Milton’s last gunfight was in 1917. On the front end, fur trapping mountain men from the 1820s were acting as Army guides during Red Cloud’s War in the lane 1860s. So, picking a definite beginning and end is difficult. Fun to discuss though.
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@@ArizonaGhostriders yeah. I knew the Mexican government was still paying scalp bounties into the 1920s, but I wasn’t aware of any conflicts in the States that late. My great grand father had some Indian stories from when he lived in Saskatuwan (can’t spell) in the 1890s/1910.
All of the guests' answers are hilarious 😂
Glad you enjoyed it.
But the resolution started in 1775.
Great Movie - Ride with the Devil. Congrats to the winner!
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I reckon that the “Old West” never truly died, it lives on as an idea, as a hope of, “if things get bad, there’s a place where we can start anew, where anything is possible” and through people like yourself it still pops up in visible ways.
Parts of Tucson are still the Wild West.
I like to think that it started at the end of the fur trade before the Mexican war when the trails really opened up, so i give 1840 a good start date. I have to say that ww1 really killed it. I believe the Wild West passed away when the generation that made it wild began to pass away.
Good thinking.
1840 sounds about right. The Louisiana Purchase was owned by the French (Obvious, I know) and Mexico (or Spain?) had the rest before the 1840's. Would give reason for it to be called the "American" Wild West.
Great episode Santee! With folks like you the Old West will never end! Have a great weekend!
Thanks, you too!
The introduction of barb wire to established boundaries was a significant factor. Hence the cowboy song: "Don't fence me in"
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I was born a hundred years too late. Another great video, Santee. Thanks for keeping it alive. Pew pew to the Mrs. To all the Ghost Riders, too.
Glad you enjoyed it
The Lewis-Clarke Expedition was a very important event in our young country. There’s lots of speculation on a possible “secret” mission of Lewis & Clarke. Conspiracy Theorists have various ideas about what they were really doing. I think by the time the First World War began/ended the “Old West” was being transformed by culture, technology, and politics. Great info Santee. As always informative and entertaining 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
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Looking mighty dapper there Santee.
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Great episode Santee! I didn’t even recognize Dirty Dan. He cleans up perty good. Nice hat Dan!😊
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This is why I’m up early on Saturday, thanks
Enjoy!
I’m in New Mexico and the Wild West is still very much alive here.
Here too
Congratulations Hugh
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Thank you, as always, for such a wonderful video and all the historical tidbits.
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Great topic for today. Thanks for putting that together for us.
Be safe out there, and take it easy man.
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Great Episode. Lot's of great info, and plenty of laughs. Thanks so much my friends!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Born in 1951, I have been absolutely fascinated by the Old West, grew up watching Westerns thinking everything I saw was just the way it really was, but, truth really IS sometimes stranger than fiction, one of the things I learned watching Arizona Ghost riders.
Very cool!!
Congratulations Hugh!
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Thanks!
You have a channel with great resource for model art. Trains, cabins, towns.
Bet it took you a lot of time to acquire all the knowledge.
Thank you for that.
You're welcome!
Saw that costume at intro and thought you might be in Pennsylvania celebrating "Groundhog Day". Thanks for the video.
I wish!
You looked quite dapper, I have often thought that the Wild West ended about 1920 when the Law made it into all areas.
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Very interesting insight to the old west. Not used to seeing you in the fancy duds
Not used to wearing them!
Thank you so much Santee, Congrats Hugh. That was very interesting. Love to watch. :)
Thanks so much!
Looking dapper af santee 💯
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Interesting facts. Thank you Santee for another great western video. I always look forward to Saturday's to see what you're going to share with us. 🤠🤠🤠
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I could be way wrong, but I've assumed that the Wild West era started in the 1840's with the Gold Rush, and definitely ended with cars and asphalt highways. Love the "interviews" with people giving dopey answers!
Shhhhh!! THEY don't know they gave dopey answers.
Interesting topic. Time that has lingered on in many of our lives. Keep them coming 🤠
We will
Thank you Santee for another great episode. I grew up in Dearborn Michigan where those Ford Motor cars were built, so thank you for showing those beautiful cars. Thank you so much for sharing today.
Glad you enjoyed it
Looking very dapper! Thanks for another great episode.
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Thanks! Great video as usual.
My pleasure!
Love the content. Congratulations on 100K
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Looking sharp there Santee :) Great work and keep up the work you do so well :)
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This was a good mail question. I feel like I hear this question a lot, accompanied by several different answers. 😆 GREAT video, as always!
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Another jam-packed, interesting and, as ALWAYS, entertaining episode, Santee... That was a great question.
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Congratulations to the winner. Santee, you are quite debonair this morning sir.
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Yet another great video! Thanks
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Interesting take on the beginning of the wild west 🤔 not sure I agree! But even I could argue with myself on this one. Would it be in the late 1700's when when French and American trappers traveled up the Missouri in search of beaver? Or at the lousiana purchase itself and the great quest of Lewis and Clark to find what was mistakenly thought to be an easy water way up the Missouri river to the head waters of the Colombia? Or would it be the Ashley and Henry start of the rocky mountain fur company, and the advent of trade goods being shipped into the Rockies for roundevious. And let's not forget that the British Hudson bay company was established in the northern Rockies already from the west.
This was the ground work of trials experiences and leaders into a very wild west. Those who followed these foot steps into communities that signal the taming of the west. As the immigrants who came and settled the land brought with them religion and family values that was at odds with the locals.
Food for thought
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Well, yes, it could be all that. But since it is the American West, and Lewis & Clark were commissioned to cover the lands America owned, I felt it works better.
An interesting topic. With so much of this country settled and tamed, I doubt the Wild West would ever return.
There are some that believe it's still wild here near the Mexican border!
Lewis & Clark and the The Wild Bunch make good bookends.
Lewis and Clark was great but I don't think Dean Cain was the best Superman.
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That was a joke lol
I'll see myself out
So very awesome, interestingly informative and inspiring video, I really loved and enjoyed it, I learned a lot about the old west and its history.
Glad you enjoyed it!
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My estimation is from the Oregon Trail era to around WW1, with the Lewis & Clark expedition and the introduction of interstate highway system being the ABSOLUTE hard stop on either side. The heyday being the 15-20 years following the Civil War, anything before that feels like it's winding up and anything after that feels like it's winding down.
Good timeline!
Congratulations on reaching over 100k subscribers 🎉🎊
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Such a interesting, important, and diverse time in history
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Congrats you, and Hugh.
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Santee you sure did look like a city slicker with that stove top hat cane and long over coat. When the wild west started hard to say,but I believe it will never end. 🤠
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I been walking west for a wile now, no end in sight... I'll keep you updated Santee. PEW PEW!!!
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The "Train" north of Cumbres Pass no doubt. To me the end of the West was Statehood for Arizona
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Always enjoy each new episode. Can’t believe Santee fell for the fake name and the fake name won the drawing. What a hoot. Rex the dinosaur is still laughing.
Glad you like them. Oh, I didn't fall for a fake name. He's been a subscriber for over 2 years and has a non-online name he would like to keep private.
We never would’ve guessed Durty Dan would turn Dapper Dan.
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The spirit of the Old West shall never die.
Right!
Nice beard Mr. Santee!
I have heard that over half of our Nation is still wilderness. P'raps the "Frontier" still partially remains.
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I always thought of the wild west as starting in around 1866 and ending around the turn of the century. I know it was actually earlier than that. You and Dan looked mighty sharp in the video. Can't wait to see the new movie. I did get some good news from old saw bones. He told me that I did have some kidney damage, but my kidneys are still working like they are supposed to. That was a relief and thanks for your prayers. Great video as always.
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It ended in the 1920s
Another fantastic video from the ghostriders
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Fantastic, and a wonderful nerdly resolution reference
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Very dapper Santee. Looking great !!
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Loved it!
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It's tough to figure out the edges of a period in history that was only defined in retrospect. It's probably easier to work out some key moments, like the establishment of the "Trails" (1830's and 1840's) and Oregon Treaty of 1846, end of the Mexican American War in 1848, California Gold Rush in 1849, Treaty of Fort Laramie of 1851, Pike's Peak Gold Rush of 1859, the Homestead Act in 1862, and the completion of the Transcontinental Railway in 1869. The end? It has never ended in our hearts!
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Congratulations Hugh.
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Lookin' sharp, sir 🎩
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It's always a deep question regarding the beginning and end of things on a spectrum. People can't even agree on when outer space begins. Ultimately, beginnings and ends like these are matters of opinion.
Funny thing though, we never really know when something like this begins, but most can agree when something has ended. Whether it was the Golden Age of ancient Greece, Medieval Period, or the Wild West - no one during those times knew they were living during an era. But we can, generally, agree that those are no more.
In my mind, probably from the influence of Western movies and art, the Wild West never had automobiles. So, I'm happy with the popular occurrence of automobiles being my personal marker of the end. Automotive mass production started around 1900 so, sadly, that will be my marker for the end (although I'm sure it took a while before those cars reached the West).
The beginning is tougher. Taking the lead from movies and art, cattle drives and trains are my markers. Wikipedia says there was a Texas cattle drive (albeit eastward) in 1836 and the Overland Route (railroad) which replaced some stagecoach (another Western icon) routes was completed in 1869. I like that the _Goodnight-Loving Trail_ opened up in 1867 to places we consider the "Old West" - New Mexico and Colorado. So, I'll use 1867 as my beginning.
So, there ya have it. Movie logic. The Wild West was from 1867 - 1900.
Never dies on this channel. Long live the West!
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Congratulations Hugh!👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸
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Wow! I never won anything before! Ever! Thanks Santee!
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OH my goodness! I have the EXACT same cane! I got it from my father who had it from back in his college days! that's so awesome to see you with the same thing
Mine is made from a pool cue!
@@ArizonaGhostriders Really? I will have to ask my dad if it is too, the bottom/tip always did look a little funny for a cane. I bet it is. Where did you get it if I might ask?
Great episode Santee, made me laugh. Thanks.
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You're welcome.
Elements of the Wild West are still alive in the west, mainly the spirit. But other elements exist as well.
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Great video as usual Santee! Now I'm very curious about the 20s stuff you're doing!
It's just a section of the movie that takes place later.
@@ArizonaGhostriders what's the name of the movie?
I've always thought of the old west ending on November 31 1930. I guess it'll never truly end.
We have some places here...
Great video! It's so hard to define the beginning and end of the Old West. It is somewhat easier to define specific erras like the homestead erra or the Indian Wars but even that gets hazy. I think of the primary boundaries as being from the end of the Civil War to the end of Butch and Sundance.😀
That's a common timeline, too!
In Texas the Old West started in the 1820s when Stephen S. Austin immigrated with Anglo setters coming in from Missouri. Sam Houston, Crockett, Travis, Bowie, and the others at the Alamo in 1836, etc. The Mexican War, and wars with the Apaches and Comanches, the Texas Rangers all in the 1840’s.
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pretty good mr. actor santee. ty santee on the brazos.
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Looking sharp.
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I don't think the Old West had beginning and ending dates, such as World War II did. I think it sort of faded in, and faded out. I'd say it faded in between that first wagon train in, what, 1836, and the California gold rush. But folks were out here way before then, trappers, explorers, miners, and such.
I think it faded out with the arrival of the automobile.
Great video!
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Good morning Santi. Ted from Texas checking in. Have you ever thought about doing an episode on all the different types of Transportation a good note and properties to the West? Everything that was shipped to the West took a long long time to get there and how expensive it was. Great show see you next week
I have talked about that in videos. Will do more!
Hope all is well sir have a good weekend
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Great video Santee and Gratz the the winner
Right on
Always a great job
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Hi santee. I watched the good the bad and the ugly. It was great!
Awesome! Glad you liked it.
Great job and well done and keep up the great work.
I got a lot of inspiration for the old west and Klondike gold rush pioneer era inspired lovecraftian/Eldritch horror and dream logic fiction story/series I’m writing.
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I just realized that it’s been wild all the time no joke.
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@@ArizonaGhostriders I grew in a old town road name go by Tolleson in az
I always enjoy your content santee good video
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@@ArizonaGhostriders thank you for the content it's always nice to get away from everything going on and watch your videos
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Great Video, 1610- 1910 were the three centuries that I would consider the Old West.
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Long as there's guys like Costner and Elliott it lives😅😅😅🎉
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Dirty Dan is all dressed up like a high faluting Eastern Dude!
What's the world coming to?
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Santee I really dig the suit and top hat. I knew it looks more like the Monopoly guy . Keep up the awesome content and we love your videos. I believe the wild west according to history because the frontier line kept moving probably started after we became a nation, but when you talk about the wild west is most common people would no it as would have probably started around the time of about 1820
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Unfortunately I believe the old west ended when there was no one left too have lived it and to sit and tell ya a story of the time.... Oh an congrats to the winner!!!
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Thanks again Santee & Co. Would you consider the Mountain Man Period part of Wild West history ?
I actually wood. It's considered Fur Trade, mainly, but I lump it in.
Again thanks Santee rapscallion for giving us history of the Old West every Saturday mor’n. I enjoy that as much as drinking first cup of coffee especially up here cold country of Payson.-Kid Yuma.
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@@ArizonaGhostriders welcome, keep up good A.T. History
Nice! Ya’ll are lookin’ sharp too! Good luck with the movie... Oh no wait!!! Break a leg!!!!
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Interesting concept to think about.
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If you look at history of the Southeastern US, the frontier started in earnest around the 1720's. All the same kinds of events that made the West so Wild were happening here in the South. It was simply a way of life down here. Georgia began to be populated when the great Wagon road that began in Virginia and ended in South Georgia, and we had fights with Indians and uprisings, stage coach robberies, Saloons and Brothels in full swing in most every little community. The South began to settle down around the 1850's and after the "War of Northern Aggresion" was over, those still pissed off Southerners went West because of the "reconstruction" occupiers made their lives horrible. So they struck out looking for the freedom they couldn't have where they were born. Add into the mix the second great Irish migration along with the suddenly VERY profitable beef industry and you have the perfect recipe for what we know today as the Wild West.
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You and Dirty Dan looking pretty dapper. Oh and pew pew.
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5:24 nice cane spin Santee the music matched it perfect 😂
Fancy outfit too.
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I would say that the opening of the Lincoln Highway in 1913, which was the first cross-country road in the US marked the end of the American Frontier. Of course bank robberies, shootouts and outlaws evading law enforcement continues to the present day, so we can't use those as a basis of measurement.
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Considering all the things we associate with the old west were still around in the late teens until post WW1 did a major culture shift (bowler hats no longer fashionable, mining settlements after the war were almost all company towns, last stagecoach line used for non-tourist use gone by then) I would agree with him that after WW1 was the end of the west, so I would use 1920 as the cutoff point
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The Wild , Wooly West !
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