I have this bike. Its my commuter bike and i use it to deliver uber eats. I have bought the rear rack upgraded the tires to cst scout emoped tires. Also i upgrades the rear shock to hydraulic coil shock. I also upgraded the lower tube battery to a 30ah battery and the 160mm brake rotors to 180mm.I kept the 2 13ah batteries the dual version came with and swap them out on the top tube. I love this bike it really is a moped. It is really comfortable im 5'5 135 pounds though. For me its perfect and there aftermarket sales team will get you w.e parts u need i. I run it on a 30 ah battery and 13 ah battery for a total of 43ah. And have the other 13 ah battery it came with to swap out on top tube so i can ride as long as i want and not have range anxiety. I've put 4500 miles on it since i got it in late august. My next upgrade will be the controller. Even when you buy as is you get your money's worth. I loved it then but after making these upgrades im in love.
Awesome, i just got the Ep2 pro , my thoughts are as follows Motor good 👍🏾 Power good 👍🏾 Brakes shit Handlebars shit Tires shit Gears shit Seat shit Handling shit Weight shit 😂 apart from that it’s ok but the geometry is like a scooter 🛴 Not good
I also have a dual battery M20. It is my favorite ebike. Lots of fun to ride. Be aware that it does have budget components and due to the size and geometry the M20 may not be comfortable for some riders.
Thank you for explaining the PAS modes, been watching many videos and no one took the time to explain them. I live in the high desert so we don't know what cold is pretty much year round. Look forward to more videos...:)
@@scotthardesty I bought this model from a friends reccommendation and with little mods it reminds me of riding a Trail 90 in the early 70's in my churchs parking lot...:) You do great videos by the way. Thank you!
you should always use both batteries in parallel to split the current between the two and for equally discharge them.. nit switch a full and an empty together
I have this bike. The only thing I didn't like about it was the non-adjustable seat which is placed super-low. Consequently, it's uncomfortable to pedal if you are over 5 ft 4 inches tall, which frankly is most of the people who likely will buy this bike. The width of the seat also inhibits pedaling and you can feel it heavily on your inner thighs if you are pedaling. The pedaling issue is so severe, I am thinking of trying to modify the seat to accommodate a regular bicycle seat, building some sort of superstructure over the original seat where a traditional bike seat can be mounted higher up to lengthen the pedaling geometry. You also pointed out the same thing in your video, 11:10 , but I think it needs special emphasis because there's a striking disconnect in design between the endurance of the bike (ie. long distance) and the pedaling geometry, which is definitely NOT for long distance. And that's actually why I bought it, for long-distance bicycle riding due to the 97 mi range. Turns out, it's actually quite poor for long-distance riding since the pedaling geometry is so gimped.
@scotthardesty The seat is also pretty hard in addition to the other issues listed above, and uncomfortable in that respect also after about 20 miles or so. I'm definitely going to have to modify the seat for posterior as well as pedaling comfort.
@@hgallegos915 No video as of yet am always riding it! Also want to get hold of a Sur Ron and disguise it to look like an old shopping bike with normal seat, pedals, pannier bags, front basket etc...Ultimate sleeper e bike 47 mph in stock form, but able to haul ass like crap off a shovel!
It’s important to know the difference between torque and wattage at least in a basic way like wattage is more like a n hp rating which is the speed the motor can get a job done in, they both go hand in hand but that’s why some take off slow but the wattage may allow it to reach higher speeds but for take off and towing hills winds etc torque is more the way the bike will lean which it’s the amount of turning force the motor has.
It looks like a moped and might attract more attention from LEO on park trails limited to Class "2"... But 55nm pwr is totally class 2. My folder is a sleeper, not attracting attention yet pumping out 80 nm torque!
I can see that. Although, so far, I have had no issues riding on trails and bike lanes from the law. I feel that with most any bike, as long as you are not a jerk doing stupid stuff, no one bothers you.
@@scotthardesty It's up to the discretion of each officer, right? Plus, they respond to the calls from spandexers... I can get 2 folders inside my hatchback.
@@scotthardesty 1 yr ago I got a GForce T42 black Friday sale. It's quick! And ridable after adding Suntour seatpost suspension under a cloud 9 saddle! 2 mos ago I got my wife an EUY Auloor thats sweet. Full suspension is the way to go!
I am in California…and thinking about riding it on the bike lane…but it seems like the bike lane near my home only allows class 1 or 2 . Not class 3…so i am confused if I should pick this one or not…
I am thinking to buy this e-bike, but I live in UK, and as everyone knows it raining all time, so I would like to know, is this e-bike good for this kind of weather? Thank you
I believe this bike is rated IPX4 which means it can handle rain. I would hop into a ENGWE Facebook group (or reddit) as there are many people who have this bike in the UK and talk about it. I bet they can answer this question for you.
Question- when you charging the M20 battery and is plugged, to the power adapter, do you need to have the battery in the on or off position in order to charge the battery
I have just reviewed the DK300Max (dual battery, dual motors) and I love that thing. It rides higher than the M20 and it went a lot farther (even with the extra weight from the front motor). I am waiting to confirmation on specs from Meelod but that video is reading to go. Once I get confirmation on the motor sizes, (part of the webpage says 750W motors and right below it says 1200w with a max of 1500w). Once they answer that question, that video will be going up. The Meelod DK300Max became my favorite Moped style ebike. I say buy it.
So if I use it for Uber eats Delivery , both battery are going to last for 2:30 hours only 🤧 but if my Speed is minimum , Can i do like 4 hours of uber with it??
I'm guessing so. I doubt that with food delivery, you would be pushing this bike as hard as I did. Although, I would use a different bike for food delivery (something I could pedal and has a rear rack to where I could put a delivery bag on the back and a step thru) if it was me.
I use this bike for uber eats before i upgraded the lower battery. I would get about 60 miles. I ride on mostly peddle assists but use alot of throttle. I since upgraded the lower tube battery to 30ah battery. I installed my self and use the 2 13ah batteries it came with for the top tube so i now have a total of 2688 wh of energy. It was easy to install the battery. I live this bike it's worth it if you want to do uber eats.
@@andrewreid380 Yup. I know who you are talking about. At my height, pedaling this bike is possible but not fun. That's why you only saw me pedal it to figure out how fast it goes in each PAS level. After that, I had no desire to pedal this bike. If you don't plan on pedaling the bike EVER (lol) you might be okay.
@@scotthardesty Yeah good video you done here covered the lot. I would be the same I would definitely ride this like a moped only. I'm in Ireland here the law is 15.5 miles an hour and not allowed a throttle. Nobody obeys that of course but this would definitely attract attention, I've only seen one here so far but it's a cool looking piece of kit.
@@andrewreid380I am 6'2" and I tried the M20 the other day. Its a no pedalling bike at our height... Unless you stand up. Lengthwise no problems, the reach is pretty long. Depending on how long your rides will be, and how okay your knees are with being pretty flexed, this is a super cool, very fun bike 🤸
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I have this bike. Its my commuter bike and i use it to deliver uber eats. I have bought the rear rack upgraded the tires to cst scout emoped tires. Also i upgrades the rear shock to hydraulic coil shock. I also upgraded the lower tube battery to a 30ah battery and the 160mm brake rotors to 180mm.I kept the 2 13ah batteries the dual version came with and swap them out on the top tube. I love this bike it really is a moped. It is really comfortable im 5'5 135 pounds though. For me its perfect and there aftermarket sales team will get you w.e parts u need i. I run it on a 30 ah battery and 13 ah battery for a total of 43ah. And have the other 13 ah battery it came with to swap out on top tube so i can ride as long as i want and not have range anxiety. I've put 4500 miles on it since i got it in late august. My next upgrade will be the controller. Even when you buy as is you get your money's worth. I loved it then but after making these upgrades im in love.
Those upgrades sound legit. Smart move considering you do uber eats with it.
Awesome, i just got the Ep2 pro , my thoughts are as follows
Motor good 👍🏾
Power good 👍🏾
Brakes shit
Handlebars shit
Tires shit
Gears shit
Seat shit
Handling shit
Weight shit
😂 apart from that it’s ok but the geometry is like a scooter 🛴 Not good
@@Cartsp70 seems like you should have got the M20 instead.
@chrisposada9155 hi can you tell me from where you get the rear rack ?
@@vishalnandal7916 i ordered it on the engwe website
Nice full review. I appreciate the battery breakdown usage while out on the road.
Glad you liked it
How’s the seat? It looks like it shoves you into the battery.
I have had this machine for over a year now and I love it!
glad to hear!
Got my m20 on the black friday, and what a great bike
Enjoy!
I also have a dual battery M20. It is my favorite ebike. Lots of fun to ride. Be aware that it does have budget components and due to the size and geometry the M20 may not be comfortable for some riders.
Yup. Thats why I said I would upgrade the brakes to hydraulic and upgrade the rear shock.
What is this bike like climbing railway bridges? Does it bug down a lot?
Thank you for explaining the PAS modes, been watching many videos and no one took the time to explain them. I live in the high desert so we don't know what cold is pretty much year round. Look forward to more videos...:)
Glad I was able to answer those questions for you!
@@scotthardesty I bought this model from a friends reccommendation and with little mods it reminds me of riding a Trail 90 in the early 70's in my churchs parking lot...:)
You do great videos by the way. Thank you!
@@n6cid Thanks! What mods did you do with it?
best review on youtube 💯
Thank you!
you should always use both batteries in parallel to split the current between the two and for equally discharge them.. nit switch a full and an empty together
Well, thats how I tested it. They are sending me the M20 2.0 and I plan on having them both going.
I have this bike. The only thing I didn't like about it was the non-adjustable seat which is placed super-low. Consequently, it's uncomfortable to pedal if you are over 5 ft 4 inches tall, which frankly is most of the people who likely will buy this bike. The width of the seat also inhibits pedaling and you can feel it heavily on your inner thighs if you are pedaling. The pedaling issue is so severe, I am thinking of trying to modify the seat to accommodate a regular bicycle seat, building some sort of superstructure over the original seat where a traditional bike seat can be mounted higher up to lengthen the pedaling geometry. You also pointed out the same thing in your video, 11:10 , but I think it needs special emphasis because there's a striking disconnect in design between the endurance of the bike (ie. long distance) and the pedaling geometry, which is definitely NOT for long distance. And that's actually why I bought it, for long-distance bicycle riding due to the 97 mi range. Turns out, it's actually quite poor for long-distance riding since the pedaling geometry is so gimped.
I appreciate the input you just gave! Thank you! I have seen where some people have 3D printed a spacer for the seat to make it higher.
@scotthardesty The seat is also pretty hard in addition to the other issues listed above, and uncomfortable in that respect also after about 20 miles or so. I'm definitely going to have to modify the seat for posterior as well as pedaling comfort.
@@Zuckerpuppekopf Yeah, A new softer and taller seat would ideal.
Sick bike but trust me do what I did-fit a 60v 30amp 3000w rear wheel kit 52mph and 50 mile range!
That would be insane. Props to you for doing that!
Link??? Video? I want!
@@hgallegos915 No video as of yet am always riding it! Also want to get hold of a Sur Ron and disguise it to look like an old shopping bike with normal seat, pedals, pannier bags, front basket etc...Ultimate sleeper e bike 47 mph in stock form, but able to haul ass like crap off a shovel!
It’s important to know the difference between torque and wattage at least in a basic way like wattage is more like a n hp rating which is the speed the motor can get a job done in, they both go hand in hand but that’s why some take off slow but the wattage may allow it to reach higher speeds but for take off and towing hills winds etc torque is more the way the bike will lean which it’s the amount of turning force the motor has.
Appreciate the input.
It looks like a moped and might attract more attention from LEO on park trails limited to Class "2"... But 55nm pwr is totally class 2. My folder is a sleeper, not attracting attention yet pumping out 80 nm torque!
I can see that. Although, so far, I have had no issues riding on trails and bike lanes from the law. I feel that with most any bike, as long as you are not a jerk doing stupid stuff, no one bothers you.
@@scotthardesty It's up to the discretion of each officer, right? Plus, they respond to the calls from spandexers... I can get 2 folders inside my hatchback.
@@johnw65 True. What folding bikes do you have?
@@scotthardesty 1 yr ago I got a GForce T42 black Friday sale. It's quick! And ridable after adding Suntour seatpost suspension under a cloud 9 saddle! 2 mos ago I got my wife an EUY Auloor thats sweet. Full suspension is the way to go!
hi I'm learning about e-bikes is it unsafe to ride these in the rain where I live it rains quite often
I just rode mine in the rain yesterday. As long as you slow down, be cautious, you should be good.
Where is confirmation it is a class 2? In case i get pulled over in NJ!
I don't believe there is any. Great question.
Do you have a link to the any shocks that people are putting on this bike?
Sorry, I do not. I would search M20 upgrades and maybe you will find some videos.
Hey man, od you know if it is possible to turn the backlight without having to turn on the long light in the front?
It is not. With that said, the brake light works weather the tail light is on or not.
Hey man what bike should I get the Engwe M20 or the Meelod Dk200
I would choose the Engwe M20. I just posted a review on the Meelod on the DK200. Watch it and you will see why.
@@scotthardesty I sure did watch it and its not great.
Thank you for the video…but please correct me if I am wrong…is this bike class 2? I think it’s class 3 since the top speed seems to 28mph…
I am in California…and thinking about riding it on the bike lane…but it seems like the bike lane near my home only allows class 1 or 2 . Not class 3…so i am confused if I should pick this one or not…
It's a class 2 bike. But it gives you option to unlock it to a class 3.
Which is better engwe m20 or Burchda Bikes RX80
I'm sorry, but I do not know as I have not reviewed the RX80.
I am thinking to buy this e-bike, but I live in UK, and as everyone knows it raining all time, so I would like to know, is this e-bike good for this kind of weather?
Thank you
I believe this bike is rated IPX4 which means it can handle rain. I would hop into a ENGWE Facebook group (or reddit) as there are many people who have this bike in the UK and talk about it. I bet they can answer this question for you.
Just ordered mine today,awaiting arrival. I believe if that’s a concern, you should get battery water resistant covers. That might help too
how tall are you?
5'9" 32" inseam
Its easy ride without batery assist? Heavy ir not?
I think in the video you will see me riding it without assist. I do not recommend.
Question- when you charging the M20 battery and is plugged, to the power adapter, do you need to have the battery in the on or off position in order to charge the battery
You should always have the battery in off position when charging.
it does not matter!!!!
So So I’m thinking about getting either this or the DK 300+ which one do you guys think is better
I have just reviewed the DK300Max (dual battery, dual motors) and I love that thing. It rides higher than the M20 and it went a lot farther (even with the extra weight from the front motor). I am waiting to confirmation on specs from Meelod but that video is reading to go. Once I get confirmation on the motor sizes, (part of the webpage says 750W motors and right below it says 1200w with a max of 1500w). Once they answer that question, that video will be going up.
The Meelod DK300Max became my favorite Moped style ebike. I say buy it.
@@scotthardestyyeah, can't the Meelod in the EU though :/
@@usbsol Sorry to hear that. Then this is the one to go with.
So if I use it for Uber eats Delivery , both battery are going to last for 2:30 hours only 🤧 but if my Speed is minimum , Can i do like 4 hours of uber with it??
I'm guessing so. I doubt that with food delivery, you would be pushing this bike as hard as I did. Although, I would use a different bike for food delivery (something I could pedal and has a rear rack to where I could put a delivery bag on the back and a step thru) if it was me.
I have q dual battery M20 and yes it will go further on lower PAS.
I use this bike for uber eats before i upgraded the lower battery. I would get about 60 miles. I ride on mostly peddle assists but use alot of throttle. I since upgraded the lower tube battery to 30ah battery. I installed my self and use the 2 13ah batteries it came with for the top tube so i now have a total of 2688 wh of energy. It was easy to install the battery. I live this bike it's worth it if you want to do uber eats.
@@E-LutionaryBikes Wow. That’s impressive.
I would use the L20 for deliveries 🤙
I'm 6'2 so the max height for this would you say it's too small or I'd be ok. Looks a bit cramped. Cheers
It was "almost" to small for my 5'9" frame. So I think you would be cramped.
@@scotthardesty Cheers, there was another guy on here who did a review he's 6'3 and said he was fine on it but I don't think so.
@@andrewreid380 Yup. I know who you are talking about. At my height, pedaling this bike is possible but not fun. That's why you only saw me pedal it to figure out how fast it goes in each PAS level. After that, I had no desire to pedal this bike. If you don't plan on pedaling the bike EVER (lol) you might be okay.
@@scotthardesty Yeah good video you done here covered the lot. I would be the same I would definitely ride this like a moped only. I'm in Ireland here the law is 15.5 miles an hour and not allowed a throttle. Nobody obeys that of course but this would definitely attract attention, I've only seen one here so far but it's a cool looking piece of kit.
@@andrewreid380I am 6'2" and I tried the M20 the other day.
Its a no pedalling bike at our height... Unless you stand up.
Lengthwise no problems, the reach is pretty long.
Depending on how long your rides will be, and how okay your knees are with being pretty flexed, this is a super cool, very fun bike 🤸
The bike weighs 105 pounds?
With both batteries, yes.
Amazon said 76 pounds 90 pound shipping weight :(
@@staytuned.263 76lbs without a battery, 94.3lbs with single battery, 104.5lbs with both batteries.
With that said. It really doesn't feel that heavy.
Fantastic review, but in the rain???
I try not to test ebikes in the rain. Not for the issue of the bike itself, but it will mess up my microphone if it gets wet.