Very helpful thanks, just setting up Phantom gains, which seem much too low out of the box (especially yaw), so this is great ! Would be good to show which order to adjust gains on a new setup, ie pitch/roll then yaw then ?? and finally adjust attitude values to give prefered stick response is my guess, but I don't know.
Ja. Desnoods kan je als je symmetrisch frame hebt en je hebt een goed COG ZOWEL tilt + Rol op 1 zetten voor remote gain.. Heb je maar 1 draaiknop of schuif of weet ik veel wat, dan kun je ook eerst per as doen en dan de andere as. Dit werkt ook prima voor de heigt gain. Je kan zelfs ook nog het gedrag van de multi op je stick input veranderen via de attitude gain. Ook dezei s remote te zetten. Zo stel je heel snel je multi af. Voor verdere fine tuning zorg je voor dat iedere klik 1% is..
So, are you adjusting the Basic gains, or the Attitude gains? What's the difference between the two? I have an F550 that I'm struggling to setup correctly. I also have the GPS. How important is it to get the GPS mounting measurements correct? Does that affect the stability?
Hi which gains are you adjusting remotely? All basic gains or just Pitch an Roll? I tried to remotely adjust Pitch an Roll whit a knob whit a 550 but it is not starting to oscillate like your 450
Do you think if the weight were much heavier you would need higher or lower gains? I am flying a y6 at around 2.72 kilos and it is wobbling. I am having trouble getting it dialed in.
Assign channel 6,7 or 8 to an knob. The knob has an text, so you can hold them apart. Put the desired channel from your TX on X1 or X2 of the naza module. Go to the Ass software. And set the apropriate X channel for remote gain.
Hi, sort if new at this but been having a lot of fun with my Phantom. My bird consists of tiger 2214 motors, carbon fiber props and Dji Zenmuse Gimbal with GoPro 3. The issue I'm having is that my bird drifts to the right (clockwise) slightly and makes doing precision shots like straight down the line very difficult to do as you have to constantly compensate. What values should I experiment with to make this adjustment?
Hoi ik heb een f450 met 10"4.5 carbonprops en hij staat 170 170 120 150 150 150 Maar er blijft een wobble in zitten die ik er niet uit krijg, ik heb ook een DJI Phantom en die heeft geen wobble (125 125 100 100 - 125 125) Ligt het misschien aan de rudder-gain??? Groetjes Thijs.
ik heb de basic-gain afgeteld zodat ie net niet meer oscilates na een input en terug naar level (met allles andere op 100%) maar als ik nu de atti gain verzet gaat hij weer oscilaten???
My 830mm Hybrid hexacopter 16" props 3500kg flies perfectly with 180 180 120 150, 110 110 in calm weather conditions. My problem is that in windy conditions(over 5 m/s wind) it always try to correct and oscillates a lot,. some times it gets scary. My question is: are their any gain settings for windy conditions ?
To programme a 9x with er9x to use a knob to adjust the gains while in flight. On the transmitter hold down - on the d-pad, keep going left till you find your channel list (Rudder, Aileron, Elevator, Throttle) Go down the list to the CH6 or CH7 (which ever you have free) block and press and hold Menu. In the first block at the very top (---) press menu and then - on the d pad until you find P1, P2 & P3 (these are the bobs. p1 is top left nob, P2 is the top right nob and P3 is the nob on the face of the controller to the left. Select the nob you would like to use an then press menu and then the exit button underneath menu until you exit back to your main screen. (Screen you see when you first turn on your radio) To check that you have set the nob on a channel press and hold up (I think or down) on the d-pad and you should see some little bars and lines, if you move the throttle you should see a bar move. (Each line is a channel starting from the top down and left to right ch 1 is the top left and so on) turn your nob and it should move on the channel that you selected. Now on you multi rotor make sure you have a servo lead in the channel that you choose to the x1 port on the naza controller. Now make sure all of the props are off your multi rotor, connect the USB lead to naza and plug you lipo in. Open up naza assist program on your PC. At the top click read and all of your settings from naza will be loaded to the naza assist. Goto the tx tab on the left and calibrate your tx again all controlled To all movements make sure you twist that nob all the way to + and - and then set to 0 (you should see on x1 that the slider moves up and down) and put throttle all the way down before clicking finished. Find the menu for the gains from the left hand tabs, sorry I can't rennet what it's called and I'm not at the office to have a look. Once you find the roll, pitch, yaw etc underneath each you will See a box saying INH click the box under pitch and select x1 (make sure your nob it at 0 before selecting x1) do the same for roll. Now click write at the top of your naza assist. (Good idea to save your current settings EXPORT before you start altering) Take multi to your field and hover at a safe distance but visible. If your multi is stable turn your nob towards + but very slowly it's very sensitive until it begins to ossilate (Twitch from side to side) then turn it down very slowly until it is nice and smooth) DONE. Go back to naza and do the same for rud on its own. Do the attitude gains together utill it's how you like to fly. Very responsive fast or slow. Regards RcHobbysUK.co.uk
Cool video. With the help of your film I tried to set the gain but with no basic values of gain did not occur oscillation effect. In addition, I noticed that a strong wind is a problem and be removed sharply despite GPS and swings model. In the yaw axis as doing a quick turn it raises model up. Tell what should I watch out for when setting the gain in such a situation. My model is hexacopter / F550 / naza v2 / engines and Regle DJs e310 / lipo 4s 6750 mah Tattu / gimbal / FPV / weight 2480g My settings basic pitch 140 roll 140 yaw 90 vertical 95 attitude pitch 150 roll 150 My English is very poor
Marcin Butler interest, on my Phantom 1 I usually have it going down on fast yaw. Sometimes. Never up I guess. I wonder if it is air pressure related? The barometer sees higher pressure in your case and FC thinks the drone is going down, that's why autopilot makes it go up. I don't think there is anything else than barometer that affects the elevation. You could try lowering the vertical gain so it would react slower to the air pressure change (barometer). Always have enough space to fly when testing parameters!
dus als ik het goed begrijp met attitude gain reageer de copter sneller en feller op de stiks. kan je daarmee dan ook instellen of je copter een roll of een flip maakt. grt Daniel
Nee, flips en rols zijn wel te doen, maar je verliest veel hoogte.. Flips en rolls zijn ENKEL mogelijk in MANUAL mode.Wel leuk is is een schakelaar op je zender die dan je atti gain veranderd. Maar wil je echt leuk loops en rolls maken, denk dan aan nazE.
158 158 128 186 (pitch rolll, yaw, vertical) 140 140---> is just the reaction of multi on the transmitter (like expo) A good Basic start is: 140 140 120 130 120 120
Attitude gain is hoe de copter op de zender reageert. zeg maar een soort expo. Hoe groter de waarde hoe feller hij reageert, en vice versa. Voor fine tuning: Eerst de attitude gains, dan pas de basic gains.
In this movie the pitch and roll are at the same knob. And i tune them at the same time... at the same level. You can set the gain each axle at the time..
Depend on the lipo you have, and if you have other things like gimball etc.. Normally i use 10x5" graupners on a f450 with an 2200mah 3s lipo. No gimbal. gain is then, WITH GPS and LATEST FIRMWARE (gain can much higher with latest firmware!) (altitude gain has to be much higer wit GPS) 170 170 120 250
Basic gain = how much it wil "correct" inertia (how much it wil counter react) Attitune gain= how it wil respond on your stick input. higer number is agressive. lower is more gentile. EG with 40% attitude ,with full stick input it wil be much slower reation. Like expo on transmitter Eg with 200% it wil be an verrry fast agressive Multi... In this video i tune the basic gains. And since it is an symetrical multi, i use both pitch and rol , on 1 pot on the transmitter.
10x5 carbon props zijn geen graupner E-props.. Dus dat is niet te vergelijken. (blad breedte, blad hoek, profiel etc, kunnen totaal anders zijn.) Enkel de maat en de spoed zeg dust niets... Gain settings kan je enkel kopiëren als je EXACT dezelfde setup hebt met dezelfde bouwwijze en lipo. Lees ook de manual , daar staat ook precies in hoe je de gains moet tunen... Vele zaken hebben effect, een kromme motor as, niet gebalanceerde props / motoren, zwaartepunt, GPS module waarden , etc...
First of all calibrate compas, see manual. You can try to raise Yaw gain setting. In not flying in straingt line, then you could try to offstet GPS, see manual If drifting in atti mode, calibrate immu (ass software tools calibrate imu) make sure all is level
Some times it takes looking at someone else quad doing that because if That was mine I would freak out. I would not be laughing if it was mine. But at least its something solvable
Nope, in manual heb je gewoon "vaste" attitude settings. Het is namelijk anders om! Juist de atti mode , en gps -atti mode, geven de optie tot aangepast gedrag op je sticks.. Manual zegt het al je hebt verder geen auto level, en of altihold.Enkel de gyro's Dus ook geen attitude control. Zou ook lastig zijn als je lekker aan het raggen of stunten bent. Dan wil je dit ook niet... Wil je dit wel moet je met expo gaan werken in je zender... Afhankelijk van je zender is dit negatief of posietief
When you evne turn up the gain the DO fly away verry fast upwards..., and there is NOTHING you could do about is... Exept pull the throttle fully down and crash the multicopter... Its not an yoke!
Allan Tamm Time to read the manual on the DJI website. ;) Basis gains are the ones, witch you use to stabilize the copter. Attitude gains, are the ones you use to fine tune the reactions on stick input of transmitter. This is how the copter reacts on stick input. higer is faster, lower is slower,
Great video! It's good see a demonstration of what gain settings will do. Thumbs up!
Your gains really helped just tried them and now more stable, i had them all on 120 but now i used the ones you mark as a start and i can hoover now
Thank you so much. Did my first quad frame from scratch and your video was the last piece of the puzzle. Thanks!!!
Youre welcome! Fly safe..
Enjoyed this video, thumbs up. Cheers from sunny Nelsons DockYard Marina, Antigua in the Caribbean.
Thnx!
It never hurts to help ;) youre welcome !
Ja de remote atti-gain werkt wel, alleen niet als je overschakeld naar manual-mode, vreemd eigenlijk, niet?
Very helpful thanks, just setting up Phantom gains, which seem much too low out of the box (especially yaw), so this is great !
Would be good to show which order to adjust gains on a new setup, ie pitch/roll then yaw then ?? and finally adjust attitude values to give prefered stick response is my guess, but I don't know.
Ja.
Desnoods kan je als je symmetrisch frame hebt en je hebt een goed COG ZOWEL tilt + Rol op 1 zetten voor remote gain.. Heb je maar 1 draaiknop of schuif of weet ik veel wat, dan kun je ook eerst per as doen en dan de andere as. Dit werkt ook prima voor de heigt gain. Je kan zelfs ook nog het gedrag van de multi op je stick input veranderen via de attitude gain. Ook dezei s remote te zetten. Zo stel je heel snel je multi af. Voor verdere fine tuning zorg je voor dat iedere klik 1% is..
thank you your video solve my problem!
No problem, it never hurts to help!
So, are you adjusting the Basic gains, or the Attitude gains? What's the difference between the two? I have an F550 that I'm struggling to setup correctly. I also have the GPS. How important is it to get the GPS mounting measurements correct? Does that affect the stability?
Thanks mate for the video! =)
No problem Kenny Low,, it never hurts to help!
nicee... what props are you using and where can i get them from please. Thanks =]
What is your camera ? Beautiful !
HI, Is there any effect on auto level of having high and low gains? Or the gains only effect the stick movements?
Hi which gains are you adjusting remotely? All basic gains or just Pitch an Roll?
I tried to remotely adjust Pitch an Roll whit a knob whit a 550 but it is not starting to oscillate like your 450
Do you think if the weight were much heavier you would need higher or lower gains? I am flying a y6 at around 2.72 kilos and it is wobbling. I am having trouble getting it dialed in.
Assign channel 6,7 or 8 to an knob. The knob has an text, so you can hold them apart.
Put the desired channel from your TX on X1 or X2 of the naza module.
Go to the Ass software. And set the apropriate X channel for remote gain.
Hi, sort if new at this but been having a lot of fun with my Phantom. My bird consists of tiger 2214 motors, carbon fiber props and Dji Zenmuse Gimbal with GoPro 3. The issue I'm having is that my bird drifts to the right (clockwise) slightly and makes doing precision shots like straight down the line very difficult to do as you have to constantly compensate. What values should I experiment with to make this adjustment?
hv you tried mounting it to your f450?....I have one too.....
great video!
Thnx Sergio Berti! "It never hurts to help"
No problem... Youre welcome.
is it a direct fit to the stock motor?
Hoi ik heb een f450 met 10"4.5 carbonprops en hij staat
170 170 120 150
150 150
Maar er blijft een wobble in zitten die ik er niet uit krijg, ik heb ook een DJI Phantom en die heeft geen wobble (125 125 100 100 - 125 125)
Ligt het misschien aan de rudder-gain???
Groetjes Thijs.
Could you recommend the right gains for 9x5 graupuner on DJI F450 NAZA stock?
ik heb de basic-gain afgeteld zodat ie net niet meer oscilates na een input en terug naar level (met allles andere op 100%) maar als ik nu de atti gain verzet gaat hij weer oscilaten???
I am building 4.5 feet=1300mm diameter hexacopter with 22" prop with 350 kv motors. Please guide me about gain setting on dji naza lite
My 830mm Hybrid hexacopter 16" props 3500kg flies perfectly with 180 180 120 150, 110 110 in calm weather conditions. My problem is that in windy conditions(over 5 m/s wind) it always try to correct and oscillates a lot,. some times it gets scary. My question is: are their any gain settings for windy conditions ?
Vasilis Analytis you must set lower gain for pitch and roll.
To programme a 9x with er9x to use a knob to adjust the gains while in flight.
On the transmitter hold down - on the d-pad, keep going left till you find your channel list (Rudder, Aileron, Elevator, Throttle)
Go down the list to the CH6 or CH7 (which ever you have free) block and press and hold Menu.
In the first block at the very top (---) press menu and then - on the d pad until you find P1, P2 & P3 (these are the bobs. p1 is top left nob, P2 is the top right nob and P3 is the nob on the face of the controller to the left.
Select the nob you would like to use an then press menu and then the exit button underneath menu until you exit back to your main screen. (Screen you see when you first turn on your radio)
To check that you have set the nob on a channel press and hold up (I think or down) on the d-pad and you should see some little bars and lines, if you move the throttle you should see a bar move. (Each line is a channel starting from the top down and left to right ch 1 is the top left and so on) turn your nob and it should move on the channel that you selected.
Now on you multi rotor make sure you have a servo lead in the channel that you choose to the x1 port on the naza controller.
Now make sure all of the props are off your multi rotor, connect the USB lead to naza and plug you lipo in.
Open up naza assist program on your PC.
At the top click read and all of your settings from naza will be loaded to the naza assist.
Goto the tx tab on the left and calibrate your tx again all controlled
To all movements make sure you twist that nob all the way to + and - and then set to 0 (you should see on x1 that the slider moves up and down) and put throttle all the way down before clicking finished.
Find the menu for the gains from the left hand tabs, sorry I can't rennet what it's called and I'm not at the office to have a look.
Once you find the roll, pitch, yaw etc underneath each you will
See a box saying INH click the box under pitch and select x1 (make sure your nob it at 0 before selecting x1) do the same for roll.
Now click write at the top of your naza assist. (Good idea to save your current settings EXPORT before you start altering)
Take multi to your field and hover at a safe distance but visible.
If your multi is stable turn your nob towards + but very slowly it's very sensitive until it begins to ossilate (Twitch from side to side) then turn it down very slowly until it is nice and smooth)
DONE.
Go back to naza and do the same for rud on its own.
Do the attitude gains together utill it's how you like to fly. Very responsive fast or slow.
Regards
RcHobbysUK.co.uk
Cool video. With the help of your film I tried to set the gain but with no basic values of gain did not occur oscillation effect. In addition, I noticed that a strong wind is a problem and be removed sharply despite GPS and swings model. In the yaw axis as doing a quick turn it raises model up. Tell what should I watch out for when setting the gain in such a situation. My model is hexacopter / F550 / naza v2 / engines and Regle DJs e310 / lipo 4s 6750 mah Tattu / gimbal / FPV / weight 2480g
My settings
basic pitch 140 roll 140 yaw 90 vertical 95
attitude pitch 150 roll 150
My English is very poor
Marcin Butler interest, on my Phantom 1 I usually have it going down on fast yaw. Sometimes. Never up I guess. I wonder if it is air pressure related? The barometer sees higher pressure in your case and FC thinks the drone is going down, that's why autopilot makes it go up. I don't think there is anything else than barometer that affects the elevation. You could try lowering the vertical gain so it would react slower to the air pressure change (barometer). Always have enough space to fly when testing parameters!
should the gains be trimmed collectively or by each axis?
by each axis.
Psygho77
Cool, but do you generally attenuate the values buy the same amount or do they really need separate attention.
Cheers mate.
dizzychizzy for best performance, ech axis at the time..
dus als ik het goed begrijp met attitude gain reageer de copter sneller en feller op de stiks.
kan je daarmee dan ook instellen of je copter een roll of een flip maakt.
grt Daniel
Nee, flips en rols zijn wel te doen, maar je verliest veel hoogte.. Flips en rolls zijn ENKEL mogelijk in MANUAL mode.Wel leuk is is een schakelaar op je zender die dan je atti gain veranderd. Maar wil je echt leuk loops en rolls maken, denk dan aan nazE.
What settings did you end up with?
158 158 128 186 (pitch rolll, yaw, vertical)
140 140---> is just the reaction of multi on the transmitter (like expo)
A good Basic start is:
140 140 120 130
120 120
Indeed looks verry verry funny...
Thanx !
Yes
Attitude gain is hoe de copter op de zender reageert. zeg maar een soort expo. Hoe groter de waarde hoe feller hij reageert, en vice versa.
Voor fine tuning:
Eerst de attitude gains, dan pas de basic gains.
In this movie the pitch and roll are at the same knob. And i tune them at the same time... at the same level.
You can set the gain each axle at the time..
Nope, but is seem to be possibled regarding of the weight...
I still haven't figured out how to adjust my gains via a knob on my Turnigy 9X ER9X!
Your welcome!
You are adjusting it through your remote?
+Jawad Saleh Yes i use remote gain option for this
yes.
Depend on the lipo you have, and if you have other things like gimball etc..
Normally i use 10x5" graupners on a f450 with an 2200mah 3s lipo.
No gimbal. gain is then, WITH GPS and LATEST FIRMWARE (gain can much higher with latest firmware!) (altitude gain has to be much higer wit GPS)
170 170 120 250
Basic gain = how much it wil "correct" inertia (how much it wil counter react)
Attitune gain= how it wil respond on your stick input. higer number is agressive. lower is more gentile. EG with 40% attitude ,with full stick input it wil be much slower reation. Like expo on transmitter Eg with 200% it wil be an verrry fast agressive Multi...
In this video i tune the basic gains. And since it is an symetrical multi, i use both pitch and rol , on 1 pot on the transmitter.
I know but it just looks crazy scary when it does that. For some reason it just looks funy
It works the same way to A2?
Yes works the same way
Yes it works same way. Higher weight is general higher gains.
hoe doe je dit? via x1 en x2?
10x5 carbon props zijn geen graupner E-props.. Dus dat is niet te vergelijken. (blad breedte, blad hoek, profiel etc, kunnen totaal anders zijn.) Enkel de maat en de spoed zeg dust niets...
Gain settings kan je enkel kopiëren als je EXACT dezelfde setup hebt met dezelfde bouwwijze en lipo. Lees ook de manual , daar staat ook precies in hoe je de gains moet tunen...
Vele zaken hebben effect, een kromme motor as, niet gebalanceerde props / motoren, zwaartepunt, GPS module waarden , etc...
First of all calibrate compas, see manual.
You can try to raise Yaw gain setting.
In not flying in straingt line, then you could try to offstet GPS, see manual
If drifting in atti mode, calibrate immu (ass software tools calibrate imu) make sure all is level
Graupner e-props 10x5 "
Bought them online.
It is an panasonic "hdc tm60"
TRUE! it happened to me last night. no control - had to crash it -ruined two motors and GPS mount rod - Be Careful
Haha thats the funniest thing ive seen. When its ascolating like crazy that is.
it seems to be out stock right now in almost every hs
Some times it takes looking at someone else quad doing that because if That was mine I would freak out. I would not be laughing if it was mine. But at least its something solvable
Nope, in manual heb je gewoon "vaste" attitude settings. Het is namelijk anders om! Juist de atti mode , en gps -atti mode, geven de optie tot aangepast gedrag op je sticks.. Manual zegt het al je hebt verder geen auto level, en of altihold.Enkel de gyro's Dus ook geen attitude control. Zou ook lastig zijn als je lekker aan het raggen of stunten bent. Dan wil je dit ook niet...
Wil je dit wel moet je met expo gaan werken in je zender...
Afhankelijk van je zender is dit negatief of posietief
When you evne turn up the gain the DO fly away verry fast upwards..., and there is NOTHING you could do about is... Exept pull the throttle fully down and crash the multicopter... Its not an yoke!
Where is GPS ? Should be up from frame minimum 10 cm
Gps did not exist on the date of making this video ;)
Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!
watched all seven minutes, and did not learn anything. I know the PID gains. What are basic and attitude Gain?
Allan Tamm Time to read the manual on the DJI website. ;)
Basis gains are the ones, witch you use to stabilize the copter. Attitude gains, are the ones you use to fine tune the reactions on stick input of transmitter. This is how the copter reacts on stick input. higer is faster, lower is slower,
Allan Tamm i also learned not a single thing by watching this.
I remember the excitement when I discovered something. The desire to share it with others is great. Have a nice day.
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