This is the system that I've always wanted to see. The traditional cognitive funtion typing model seems so incomplete and radical for me, instead, CPT treats people as people, and not like products to label. Congrats! I still finding what type is the more accurate for me. It is difficult because I even though I could be all the 16 personalities :D.
Great overview of your approach to personality. Just as the name implies, it seems you take a more "cognitive" approach by acknowledging the psychophysiological side as well as heuristics/biases. Your description/critique of the eight function model is exactly how I think about it too - personality is fluid and the eight function model ascribes every aspect of human behavior to one specific function, something I do not agree with. Just as Jung proposed, I like to believe that our cognitive preferences do not predict behavior but are more so a lens for the world that comes in many different shades and colors. A Ni dominate might have a blue lens, but during times of stress they might find the red lens of Se coming in and influencing their actions. When the lenses overlap and cross then various perceptions can be achieved, especially when one lens is thicker and holds more perceptual influence. The various lenses and how they interact in various combination is essentially type. Good video, I like that you are adding operational definitions. This is really important for creating a system like this. It will be difficult, but I am curious to see how your system grows with time. Looking forward to part two, keep it up!
Thank you man - I appreciate you commenting and it's great to hear the ways in which our thoughts on cognition overlap! As you say, type is the summation of a fluid and adaptive process, and non-fluid models can fail to capture the individual within the type. Heh, yes I've began quite the undertaking! I do enjoy applying and developing CPT (and, in reference to your latest video, indeed find great meaning in doing so) so however long it takes I know I'll enjoy the process, and hope others do too! Cheers again for commenting!
Amazing! Totally agree with you! I actually came to this conclusion when i was struggling to figure out my type (i went through infj, intj, esfp until finally concluding entp). I decided that putting effort into developing all the functions could only benefit me 😂! everything is interconnected and fluid, as you say. We might have preferences for certain functions, but circumstances and experience may force/motivate us towards other modes of being. I just keep reminding myself growth happens outside of the comfort zone 😅
Sounds, you went through a full journey indeed - there's certainly behavioural overlaps between all those types. Type should certainly never discourage development of the functions, but, rather, encourage it! It's often a real struggle to place ourselves outside our comfort zone, but that is often where development occurs as you say :)
I love that you were able to address the limits of heuristics here. Most people enjoy these shortcuts in order to put people in a box, and they are useful, but they do not account for the individuality of expression in others. This is where we see the faults of mistyping surface, as they cannot account for these people unless they can express this variable in a continuum. I look forward to the next episode.
Thanks Alberto - indeed, it is important not to overly hate on heuristics due to how much we rely on them for efficient functionality, but we must always remain objective of both their limitations in seeing the bigger picture and our bias towards favouring the heuristics we are familiar with in the first place :) Agreed completely. Next episode coming soon!
I like the imagery of type being more of a fluid thing within a region. It makes a lot of sense. You put a ton of ENFP's in a room and we won't all be the same, lol! But yeah, in general we'll still have a similar way of arriving at similar-ish conclusions. That's the cool thing about people: we're all unique, but you can still learn a lot about how people work and think and feel!
@@CognitivePersonality I know, right? It's also good because it means it IS possible to make a character that feels like a real person. If we couldn't study people and understand them, it'd be impossible to make a compelling story.
...' When I describe myself'... "Still that must be expected,' said Gandalf to himself... He is not half through yet, and to what he will come in the end not even Elrond can foretell. Not to evil, I think. He may become like a Glass filled with a clear Light for eyes to see that Can." - J.R.R. Tolkien (The Fellowship of the Ring (The Lord of the Rings, #1)) Cognitive Personality Theory, Not to become evil seems like a very good plan for hobbits and humans. Huzzah. I agree with your definition of a continuum or a spectrum as I have also seen this described. More often, I see our online community referring to the cognitive functions as coins that flip and then lay flat on the table where we do not see the other side of the coin. Pentacles are coins in the Tarot. interesting pattern...lol You did well. I listened three times while I tried to remember if LotR had the word 'continuum' that I could offer you as my token of appreciation for your efforts.
Ahaha thank you my friend - that seems like a good end indeed! I like your analogy! Yes it is important to always bear the spectrums in mind when exploring the functions :) Cheers for the comment as usual! A shame that LOTR has no reference to contiuums - I'd very much like to hear such a reference if you ever stumble across it!
Excellent as always, my friend! Particularly Lens/Codec discussion - that put many pieces together. Looking forward to more from you! Happy New Year! Hoping for all the awesome things for you in 2020!
Brilliant. This is thorough in all angles, and you've somehow managed to make it also in layman's terms, therefore making it accessible to various patterns of thought. Excellent work my friend.
Thank you for this video, it's fabulous to hear you reiterate what is in your book, which is helping me understand what I've read better. I've been feeling extremely dumb as it's taking me ages to finish reading it, but to have you also talking it, I'm thinking I'm starting to get it....a little. Lots of new terms to get my head around.
Thanks Melissa! The truth is some people learn differently to others, whereas some people need to combine two seperate mediums together - hopefully the second episode of this short series will provide additional clarification :)
I'm glad you opened the door of the INFJ prison. As a mechanical engineer i really had to pay attension to details, and could not talk the whole day with people about their privat life. And i had to get used to it, that some designs were to far ahead for most people. Happy new year!!!
I was wondering, what do you think on Linda V Berens types approach? By the way I like your approach a lot, especially that you focus on transcending stereotypes and status quo.
I generally enjoy and appreciate temperament-style models so long as they do not force all people of a cognitive type into such a temperament. Much as with other behavioural traits, such 'interaction styles' are prone to fluctuation within any given type according to circumstances and experience accrued :) Also - thank you!
There feels like a like that's being touched on accurately, although a couple of things I disagree with. Potentially just one, I'll have to rewind and note it. After I sleep and watch the follow-up though?
I agree with Heart of Michi's comment in Part II, that you have well verbalized against the strange feeling of "something doesn't feel right" one gets with typical eight function models. I do have one question of semantics. Convergent by the dictionary definition refers to following well-established or familiar patterns, while divergent refers to reaching out to unfamiliar territory. So what is the reason you defined the convergent functions as the creative and more playful ones, while the divergent functions are defined as the authoritative and restraining ones? I agree with the system, but I wonder if switching the convergent and divergent naming can avoid possible confusion?
Thanks for the great feedback! Convergence within CPT refers to the manner in which egocentric functions converge into a single desired (cognitive) outcome, as opposed to diverging away from the ego into something resistant to such control, and therefore more open ended from an ego perspective. For example, Ne dominance converging into an immediate more desirable trajectory, as opposed to Ne diverging into multiple trajectories that remain thus through the unwillingness to pick one at the expense of another.
@@CognitivePersonality I see now! I hadn't imagined the direction of convergence/divergence quite correctly. Thank you for the quick response, I really do look forward to more of your videos and insight :)
I find some truth to the model, but I do not adhere to the notion of four seperate types operating alongside eachother in seperate levels of consciousness :)
@@CognitivePersonality I agree, there is truth in there and that there aren't 4 types operating alongside each other. There are interesting viewpoints that come along with it. I think functions are more fluid than "4 sides of the mind". Diving into it has helped me view things from angles I might have not gotten to so soon. I see that he, in part, derived his system from Jung's Quaternio of the Self.
Something has always confused me about Si vs Ni. I use Si a lot (ISFJ), but I see patterns because of what has happened in the past and can predict a likely scenario. Doesn't Ni have to have some knowledge or do they just pick of the pattern without any previous knowledge?
Functions in the more pop-side of typology tend to be placed in a vacuum and generally oversimplified in their utilisation - firstly, Si-dominants dip into Ni in order to encompass a wider scope of logical components (think 'zooming out'), and, secondly, Si alone can still perceive patterns :) The patterns Si perceives are more refined and contained within a smaller scope of the mind, and based upon more tangible substrate than that of Ni.
@@CognitivePersonality Ah, crap, I see that you even gave a specific example for ISFJ in part II. Should of kept watching, haha. I still quite don't understand what Ni is. I feel like I do really do get too much into the details and when I try to understand the big picture -- especially with concepts -- my brain literally gets a headache. Or maybe I do use it well on a smaller scale, I just don't know it. Anyway, I'm sure my questions will be answered if I just keep watching. Thanks for replying!
Do you have a typing service? I've been looking for someone I'm comfortable talking to. I also noticed that in my past, I focused on developing functions before I even knew what they were, so I confuse myself ☺
Yes, I do! I break down the services I offer on my website, the link to which is on my channel. You can also email me using the address in my about section :) Thank you!
🙂could this fluid way of seeing things be the result of the cognition of your type though? My INFJ sister-in-law does not like to be defined or labeled by others. I find this to be an Ni thing. I agree with the reality of the analog nature, when you look deeper at the individual, and of course their environment is a big factor in how much they use their 8 functions. Me personally, I see everything better from the lens of us being advanced machines and our brains clearly function similarly to computers. You start with basic binary coding and it multiplies and becomes more complex. The code advances to base 8 coding and then to base 16. It all starts with a dichotomy between logical opposites and builds from there. It looks to us to be fluid, but it’s really just complex and elaborate coding. Like digital music to our ears sounds analog. But this is all how I see it as an INTP.
Oh I certainly don't disagree with that and this is largely semantic interplay :) I do believe we can ultimately reduce all values to binary, but this would be on the atomic level - a macroscopic perception of atomic binary is a perception of fluid patterns and adaptations as those countless values switch between ones and zeros. For humans I believe employment of typological systems requires this holistic perception :)
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This is the system that I've always wanted to see. The traditional cognitive funtion typing model seems so incomplete and radical for me, instead, CPT treats people as people, and not like products to label. Congrats!
I still finding what type is the more accurate for me. It is difficult because I even though I could be all the 16 personalities :D.
Great overview of your approach to personality. Just as the name implies, it seems you take a more "cognitive" approach by acknowledging the psychophysiological side as well as heuristics/biases. Your description/critique of the eight function model is exactly how I think about it too - personality is fluid and the eight function model ascribes every aspect of human behavior to one specific function, something I do not agree with. Just as Jung proposed, I like to believe that our cognitive preferences do not predict behavior but are more so a lens for the world that comes in many different shades and colors. A Ni dominate might have a blue lens, but during times of stress they might find the red lens of Se coming in and influencing their actions. When the lenses overlap and cross then various perceptions can be achieved, especially when one lens is thicker and holds more perceptual influence. The various lenses and how they interact in various combination is essentially type.
Good video, I like that you are adding operational definitions. This is really important for creating a system like this. It will be difficult, but I am curious to see how your system grows with time. Looking forward to part two, keep it up!
Thank you man - I appreciate you commenting and it's great to hear the ways in which our thoughts on cognition overlap!
As you say, type is the summation of a fluid and adaptive process, and non-fluid models can fail to capture the individual within the type.
Heh, yes I've began quite the undertaking! I do enjoy applying and developing CPT (and, in reference to your latest video, indeed find great meaning in doing so) so however long it takes I know I'll enjoy the process, and hope others do too!
Cheers again for commenting!
Amazing! Totally agree with you! I actually came to this conclusion when i was struggling to figure out my type (i went through infj, intj, esfp until finally concluding entp). I decided that putting effort into developing all the functions could only benefit me 😂! everything is interconnected and fluid, as you say. We might have preferences for certain functions, but circumstances and experience may force/motivate us towards other modes of being. I just keep reminding myself growth happens outside of the comfort zone 😅
Sounds, you went through a full journey indeed - there's certainly behavioural overlaps between all those types. Type should certainly never discourage development of the functions, but, rather, encourage it!
It's often a real struggle to place ourselves outside our comfort zone, but that is often where development occurs as you say :)
i like the way you see the types and i see myself agreeing with your opinion
I love that you were able to address the limits of heuristics here. Most people enjoy these shortcuts in order to put people in a box, and they are useful, but they do not account for the individuality of expression in others.
This is where we see the faults of mistyping surface, as they cannot account for these people unless they can express this variable in a continuum.
I look forward to the next episode.
Thanks Alberto - indeed, it is important not to overly hate on heuristics due to how much we rely on them for efficient functionality, but we must always remain objective of both their limitations in seeing the bigger picture and our bias towards favouring the heuristics we are familiar with in the first place :)
Agreed completely. Next episode coming soon!
I like the imagery of type being more of a fluid thing within a region. It makes a lot of sense. You put a ton of ENFP's in a room and we won't all be the same, lol!
But yeah, in general we'll still have a similar way of arriving at similar-ish conclusions. That's the cool thing about people: we're all unique, but you can still learn a lot about how people work and think and feel!
My thoughts exactly! Yes, it's awesome isn't it!
@@CognitivePersonality I know, right? It's also good because it means it IS possible to make a character that feels like a real person. If we couldn't study people and understand them, it'd be impossible to make a compelling story.
...' When I describe myself'...
"Still that must be expected,' said Gandalf to himself...
He is not half through yet, and to what he will come in the end not even Elrond can foretell.
Not to evil, I think.
He may become like a Glass filled with a clear Light for eyes to see that Can."
- J.R.R. Tolkien (The Fellowship of the Ring (The Lord of the Rings, #1))
Cognitive Personality Theory, Not to become evil seems like a very good plan for hobbits and humans.
Huzzah.
I agree with your definition of a continuum or a spectrum as I have also seen this described.
More often, I see
our online community referring to the cognitive functions as coins that flip
and then lay flat on the table where we do not see the other side of the coin.
Pentacles are coins in the Tarot. interesting pattern...lol
You did well. I listened three times while I tried to remember if LotR had the word 'continuum' that I could offer you as
my token of appreciation for your efforts.
Ahaha thank you my friend - that seems like a good end indeed!
I like your analogy! Yes it is important to always bear the spectrums in mind when exploring the functions :)
Cheers for the comment as usual! A shame that LOTR has no reference to contiuums - I'd very much like to hear such a reference if you ever stumble across it!
Excellent as always, my friend! Particularly Lens/Codec discussion - that put many pieces together. Looking forward to more from you! Happy New Year! Hoping for all the awesome things for you in 2020!
Happy new year my friend! Likewise I can't wait for more of your content, and more INFJ banter in the year ahead :)
Brilliant. This is thorough in all angles, and you've somehow managed to make it also in layman's terms, therefore making it accessible to various patterns of thought. Excellent work my friend.
Thank you my real-life friend!
I was hoping to make this video accessible to different thinking styles so this pleases me greatly :D
Thank you for this video, it's fabulous to hear you reiterate what is in your book, which is helping me understand what I've read better. I've been feeling extremely dumb as it's taking me ages to finish reading it, but to have you also talking it, I'm thinking I'm starting to get it....a little. Lots of new terms to get my head around.
Thanks Melissa! The truth is some people learn differently to others, whereas some people need to combine two seperate mediums together - hopefully the second episode of this short series will provide additional clarification :)
I'm glad you opened the door of the INFJ prison. As a mechanical engineer i really had to pay attension to details, and could not talk the whole day with people about their privat life. And i had to get used to it, that some designs were to far ahead for most people. Happy new year!!!
That's an excellent example of type-adaptability - awesome to hear how you applied this in your case :)
Happy new year to you too!!
I f*cking love you
Haha *bows*
You're the best. ♡
Thank you as usual :)
Very good video very informing. Could you do in the future a video that explains more the extroverted sensing vs extroverted intuition
Great suggestion - I'll likely dedicate a video to the subject :)
@@CognitivePersonality thanks that's great
I was wondering, what do you think on Linda V Berens types approach? By the way I like your approach a lot, especially that you focus on transcending stereotypes and status quo.
I generally enjoy and appreciate temperament-style models so long as they do not force all people of a cognitive type into such a temperament. Much as with other behavioural traits, such 'interaction styles' are prone to fluctuation within any given type according to circumstances and experience accrued :)
Also - thank you!
There feels like a like that's being touched on accurately, although a couple of things I disagree with. Potentially just one, I'll have to rewind and note it. After I sleep and watch the follow-up though?
I agree with Heart of Michi's comment in Part II, that you have well verbalized against the strange feeling of "something doesn't feel right" one gets with typical eight function models.
I do have one question of semantics. Convergent by the dictionary definition refers to following well-established or familiar patterns, while divergent refers to reaching out to unfamiliar territory. So what is the reason you defined the convergent functions as the creative and more playful ones, while the divergent functions are defined as the authoritative and restraining ones? I agree with the system, but I wonder if switching the convergent and divergent naming can avoid possible confusion?
Thanks for the great feedback!
Convergence within CPT refers to the manner in which egocentric functions converge into a single desired (cognitive) outcome, as opposed to diverging away from the ego into something resistant to such control, and therefore more open ended from an ego perspective.
For example, Ne dominance converging into an immediate more desirable trajectory, as opposed to Ne diverging into multiple trajectories that remain thus through the unwillingness to pick one at the expense of another.
@@CognitivePersonality I see now! I hadn't imagined the direction of convergence/divergence quite correctly. Thank you for the quick response, I really do look forward to more of your videos and insight :)
Do you have any articles/writings about this?
Nothing outside of the CPT eBook!
@@CognitivePersonality alright thank you!
Have you checked out John Beebe's "4 sides of the Mind" model? It addresses functions in a fluid manner.
I find some truth to the model, but I do not adhere to the notion of four seperate types operating alongside eachother in seperate levels of consciousness :)
@@CognitivePersonality I agree, there is truth in there and that there aren't 4 types operating alongside each other. There are interesting viewpoints that come along with it. I think functions are more fluid than "4 sides of the mind". Diving into it has helped me view things from angles I might have not gotten to so soon. I see that he, in part, derived his system from Jung's Quaternio of the Self.
Something has always confused me about Si vs Ni. I use Si a lot (ISFJ), but I see patterns because of what has happened in the past and can predict a likely scenario. Doesn't Ni have to have some knowledge or do they just pick of the pattern without any previous knowledge?
Functions in the more pop-side of typology tend to be placed in a vacuum and generally oversimplified in their utilisation - firstly, Si-dominants dip into Ni in order to encompass a wider scope of logical components (think 'zooming out'), and, secondly, Si alone can still perceive patterns :)
The patterns Si perceives are more refined and contained within a smaller scope of the mind, and based upon more tangible substrate than that of Ni.
@@CognitivePersonality Ah, crap, I see that you even gave a specific example for ISFJ in part II. Should of kept watching, haha.
I still quite don't understand what Ni is. I feel like I do really do get too much into the details and when I try to understand the big picture -- especially with concepts -- my brain literally gets a headache. Or maybe I do use it well on a smaller scale, I just don't know it. Anyway, I'm sure my questions will be answered if I just keep watching. Thanks for replying!
Do you have a typing service? I've been looking for someone I'm comfortable talking to. I also noticed that in my past, I focused on developing functions before I even knew what they were, so I confuse myself ☺
Yes, I do!
I break down the services I offer on my website, the link to which is on my channel. You can also email me using the address in my about section :)
Thank you!
🙂could this fluid way of seeing things be the result of the cognition of your type though? My INFJ sister-in-law does not like to be defined or labeled by others. I find this to be an Ni thing. I agree with the reality of the analog nature, when you look deeper at the individual, and of course their environment is a big factor in how much they use their 8 functions. Me personally, I see everything better from the lens of us being advanced machines and our brains clearly function similarly to computers. You start with basic binary coding and it multiplies and becomes more complex. The code advances to base 8 coding and then to base 16. It all starts with a dichotomy between logical opposites and builds from there. It looks to us to be fluid, but it’s really just complex and elaborate coding. Like digital music to our ears sounds analog. But this is all how I see it as an INTP.
Oh I certainly don't disagree with that and this is largely semantic interplay :)
I do believe we can ultimately reduce all values to binary, but this would be on the atomic level - a macroscopic perception of atomic binary is a perception of fluid patterns and adaptations as those countless values switch between ones and zeros.
For humans I believe employment of typological systems requires this holistic perception :)
Digital music is converted to analogue before the speakers turn it into sound.
Nightjar on the gate The neurons in the brain basically convert what you hear back to a form of digital signaling.
@@jimiweezer I thought you meant digital recordings. I still think you meant digital recordings. : )
You're INFJ as fck :D Thanks for videos! You provide usefull, additional perspective in my search in "type theories". Cheers!
Haha! My pleasure - cheers for your comment :)