@@MrDrBlahh The safety car guys had to work the extinguishers initially due to the track helpers inadequacy. One guy didn't know you have to pull the pin and the big guy on the inside of the fence was 4 meters away. Romain is very lucky.
Of course all the safety measures contributed to saving his life, but I feel it's been understated how amazing Romain himself was to be able to take a 50+ G crash, remain conscious and composed enough to get himself out in the 20ish seconds he had. He's literally one of only people in the world who would even had a chance to survive that.
@@johnsmith1474 Well given maybe only a few hundred people in the world are trained in getting out of similar cockpits, let alone one wedged in a barrier and has just exploded, I feel pretty confident in my statement.
@@johnsmith1474 Most ordinary people would be knocked unconscious after experiencing less than 10G (about a fifth of what Grosjean experienced) . Many people tend to panic and lose enough focus to react in a manner that would keep them trapped for longer. If you want proof professional racing drivers are exceptional athletes, the ability to get out of a car on fire that quickly after such force requires the level of physical and mental strength only bestowed to those who make it as elite athletes, in any sport. Grosjean's physical and mental condition allowed him to get out of the cockpit quickly after the survival cell and halo did its job of protecting him from impact and his race suit protecting him from the worst of the fire.
Even finding the buckle can be difficult in a panic situation. And he had to remove his harness, remove the steering wheel, pop off the head surround and only then could he begin wriggling out. With his broken rib and probably concussion. Tough bloke.
I remember so many people screaming the Halo should go because it's 'ugly', and i admit for a long time i was on the fence as well. But it's appearance was always just a matter of time to improve, in its second year it was already more streamlined and 'prettier'. The main part is that time and time again we've seen it's value pay out in saving/protecting the drivers lives. After Grosjean's incident nobody can dispute that anymore.
I'm still of the opinion that it's really ugly and just doesn't fit in on an F1 car but if really you believe that it should be removed from F1 because of looks you need to re-evaluate what kind of motorsports fan you are. As much as it does just look slapped on bulgy, it has saved at least one life and that's all that truly matters.
@@exsappermadman25055 I mean I never doubted how strong it was after I heard that it needed to withstand the weight of a double decker bus. I always knew what it's purpose was I just still think its ugly af lol.
Grosjean also saved himself. Getting up out of that fire after that impact was truly impressive. And yes, the marshals did a fantastic and quick job getting there with the extinguishers.
I take back every bit of criticism I made about the halo. Who cares what the cars look like? A Driver's life was saved, and that's infinitely more important.
Indeed, what I thought at the time was "it does look like it was designed by O'Reilly from Fawlty Towers but the bigger question is do you want to be decapitated or not?" It proved itself back in spa 2018 and it's 100% proved itself now.
@@Kaskut - Nope, you are not. I think that they came up to a pretty badass looking answer to a problem. Also, the way they use it to display info during the TV broadcast was genius on someone's part.
Dude ...... you are like the very first person this year to admit they were wrong in an internet post! Thank you for partially restoring my faith in humanity.
It answered the main criticism a lot of people had that wasn't just people going it looks bad, the main issue was in the case of fire could a driver extract them self in a timely manner
Romain is the super hero here. Looking at how the survival structure was wedged in the barrier, to have the presence of mind to know how to lift the shoulder padding, escape through the halo, and underneath the barrier WHILE ON FIRE!!! That’s true warrior move.
@@exsappermadman25055 i hope everyone who has had anything against the halo looks at this and realizes how important it is, and how much of a diffrence it does
F1 learns the most from tragedy, the fact that this isn’t one is a miracle and we need to learn the most from it When I say miracle I am referring to the fact that the medical car was right behind, and the great job the FIA does to learn and develop from big crashes like this one
Very few people on these videos mentioning the single marshal who ran over and attacked the fire from the track side, think he alone did more than either the medical staff or the other marshals. Kudos to him. Likely a volunteer and was there with no head protection, eye protection or face protection other than the covid-19 mask and his jacket hood.
I agree, I do fire control training with dry powder extinguishers regularly through work and that marshal did exactly what I have been taught. Don't just swing the nosel aimlessly in the air at a fire, but aim it low and sweep the area. He was never going to put that fire out with the one extinguisher, but he did enough to give Romain and Dr Ian that couple of seconds clear.👍
I recently heard an interview with a wildfire firefighter. They are trained to stop and look around before taking action. His training included a hula hoop on the floor. Stand. Look. Action. Maybe track guy realized he couldn’t see what a person would be able to see track-side. Good move.
Yeah well said. I'm a bit annoyed the reporters are just going on about the medical car and not much mention of the Marshall. Bad reporting as if he didn't exist.
After Ronnie Peterson Sid Watkins insisted of Medical Car following Pack on the opening lap as Sid identified this lap as most dangerous. The fact of 29 second extraction and hero of Medical Car is exclusively down to lessons learned from Monza that day
The guy driving the safety car should have been wearing a full face helmet to protect his face from the heat from the fire. If you go back and watch he was going to reach in to grab roman but he had to back off a bit because a flame shot out, and must have been unbelievably hot on his face, so then when he eventually was able to help roman, roman was already mostly out the fire. If he'd have just had a full face helmet on in the first place he could have got roman out maybe a couple of seconds quicker. Those couple of seconds can be life or death.
Very true. But hindsight is a wonderful thing. Even with such a great comment, did you think of this before? Unfortunately (or fortunately, depends on how you see it), humans are fallible and learn from their mistakes. I'm sure in the future, the safety car driver will be even better equipped.
@@skylineboy001 the best thing about this is that we now have a massive amount of new data to work with, and the cost of this data was not a drivers life as it all to often is. Every advancement of the past combined to give Grosjean the chance to survive. Now this accident will build an even safer car to save another driver in the future
Something I just realized at 4:04, is that romain still had the JB17 tribute on his helmet.. the safety improvements that Jules legacy led to saved his friend. So happy that Romain is safe 👍
The main job of the HANS device is preventing basilar skull fractures, rather than impact with the steering wheel or anything like that. Clearly it worked in this case though.
Indeed. Basilar skull fractures were one of the fatal injuries suffered by Roland Ratzenberger and Ayrton Senna at Imola in 1994. Without the HANS device Jules Bianchi (although he did ultimately die from his injuries) might have died instantly of a broken neck or even been decapitated.
@@biscuitcase83 Basilar skull fractures have killed more racing drivers than anyone would believe. The HANS device has had a huge impact on bringing the number of driver fatalities down. It's not commonly known but if you read the coroner's report, which I have, it was a basilar skull fracture that killed Ayrton Senna. But that was caused by something other than the deceleration. Still, a HANS device would have stopped it.
@@thethirdman225 It was the force of the wheel to his head that pushed it violently back against the headrest, that caused Senna's skull fractures. As the front part of his brain was also crushed by the wheel/broken suspension, he would have died anyway even with HANS unfortunately.
The survival cell is great and so is the halo but the barrier shouldn’t fail and there needs to be better in cockpit fires extinguishers and fire containment
The halo saved him from dying on the spot, but after that it was more or less up to him. Nobody could put the fire out or get him out of there. If he doesn't climb out on his own he burns to death.
@@acok97 agreed, if you look the marshals and the medical car corespondent saw him as he climbed out and targeted that area the help aid him in is escapes
@@thelonelyphish that or if he is unconscious, injured or for whatever else reason can't get out of the car. They just couldn't put the fire out in time. For me that is much more worrying. Obviously he was helped by the safety of the car and also had a bit of luck, but I hope that the FIA doesn't ignore the fact that even nowadays they can't control a fire like that. They need to research and develop something against it.
No amount of in car fire extinguishers are going to put out 100 kilos of race fuel if the tank is ruptured tbh. Romain experienced the absolute best outcome he could have ever hoped for in a situation like that.
To lighten up the mood, I think the thing that saved him was Ferrari's GP2 engine, which meant he collided with the barriers at a lower speed. On a serious note, thank god for the halo.
I'm still emotional, IDK why. I was never a GJ fan. But noone needs wish ill on anyone. And GJ's reaction, man he litteraly makes me cry. I don't get how someone can be this positive in life. Thank you Romain.
Like many others here I saw it happen live and I gasped. I had flashbacks of terrible incidents. I was both shocked and relieved to see Romain jump out of that inferno. I wish him a speedy recovery.
It might have been a bit of a squeeze getting out but when you're inside a fire, I'm sure you're sufficiently motivated to get out of some very tight gaps.
Having been a person that has put a GT3 into a tire wall at 150kph at Mosport in Canada and also a person that got my race license, one of the main things that I think will come out of this: 1) glove liners - the reason his hands are burnt is the sweat from his hands soaked the gloves and the fire flash steems the sweat burning your hands instantly (wear liners) 2) Tie your shoes properly - it's not a joke if you have to run through fire with no shoes, 3) 3section horizontal metal fencing is a decapitation device but it did massively reduce the Gs going it
Absolutely agree. With the money in F1 they shouldn't be using such antiquated equipment when much better methods are and have been available for decades. The excuse well cars usually don't go off there , but if that was the case why was there a barrier at all? This accident proves that every part of a track is a potential place for a wreck. No, the truth is this came down to cost. Armco is cheap to buy and install compared to other safer barriers available.
If he had been knocked out or had broken hands or legs he wouldn't have been able to extricate himself. So many things went right. Amazing engineering.
Enormous amounts of energy were dissipated by the tearing appart of the car and the barrier , A driver would probably not survive the massive internal injuries if the car had come to a dead stop, so the barrier did its job .
Dude it was not an excellent analysis at all. They talked about the obvious superficial stuff. The Hans device while keeping him conscious also trapped him in the car. That's how he lost his shoe.
@@robthornton6288 Some people use that "my opinion, your opinion" a little too much. But whatever. They talked about nothing at at all. They questioned nothing. And put all the praise on the Emergency crew. Grosjean got himself out of the car. The Emergency. The helped him walk away. Not to say they weren't brave for messing with a fire like that. But to say they were the heroes? Okay if you want to. But Grosjean saved his own life. And fact is, The Hans device and Halo together along with the railing trapped him in the Car. That's not an opinion. That's a fact.
Everyone is leaving out the role played by the marshal with the fire extinguisher that knocked the flames back long enough for the MO to grab Romain - if anyone even does mention the marshal(s), it's only as an afterthought.
This is what I was trying to figure out. The armco was above the main halo opening, I didn't realise the side openings were large enough to escape through.
Grosjean initially reached out and touched the barrier with his right hand but was unable to free himself. He then did a almost 360 degree turn turning to his left to wiggle and pull his way out of the top not the side. Watch closely you can see his movements in the car especially after the first extinguisher blast.
Smaller fuel tank (which can be better protected) with mid race refuelling may be a safer option. It's potentially much easier to deal with a pitlane fire.
@@GremmieWhite my suspicion is that the fuel cell *was* ruptured. The factor limiting the burn rate was surely the available oxygen, not how fast the fuel was escaping. Compare Grosjean's crash: th-cam.com/video/ToxQAn5iM7Q/w-d-xo.html With Lauda's crash (which was a tank rupture): th-cam.com/video/PYgjRTWhWi8/w-d-xo.html The flames are much bigger for Grosjean.
Without the halo: Even if it had not killed Grosjean on impact, the crash probably would have knocked him unconscious Even it had not knocked him unconscious, the barrier would have been jammed against his helmet, preventing his escape Yep, the halo pretty definitively saved Grosjean's life there.
This accident definitely changed my mind on the Halo. My two main criticisms were the vision for that middle bit, and I thought it will be harder for the drivers to get out. Seeing Hulkenberg upside down a few seasons back being stuck, kind of confirmed that for me. And Stroll also needed to get out. But Romain would have had zero chance surviving without it and got out OK. But Romain has an issue driving carelessly, and has been still doing for the past seasons, he did cut across Kvyat in an unsafe way. Accidents happen, but they can be avoidable.
The car is designed to break apart like it did, as you mentioned, to disperse the energy. The only failure was the fire from what I can see on the car, obviously the barrier too.
From an accident this severe, the overall outcome was a miracle. My main cause for future concern is the guard rail barrier, Grosjean was very lucky to have the space and room to fight his way out of the blaze. This barrier in a similar incident could trap and/or penetrate a driver next time. These guard rail barriers need to go!
Seems the fundamental issue is the track safety if the car had lodged in that split barrier halo or no halo he would of been trapped and burnt alive, the barriers seem to be a future issue. Great job on the car build to be able to offer this level of protection. Nobody wants or needs to see a driver hurt in a racing accident.
As far as It goes Susan, the fact that the rail crumbled and absorbed so much of the energy is part of the reason why Grosjean is still with us! But yes the position and type of barrier are a little questionable.
In my opinion the volunteer marshal who was quickly on seen and contributed massively to allowing Roman's extraction hasn't received the praise that should be rained upon him. Hats off to him.
I assume that sometimes the negotiations with tracks about the specific implementation of trackside safety measures could get a little tense - and at the very least, this will help the F1 to "win" all of those discussions and make sure no corners are cut.
Would have helped with him injuries if they`d stopped him cooking immediately he was over that barrier! First think you do with a fire victim, because the cooking continues until you quench the heat-affected areas.
@@rong1924 Does not require much thickening just like the suits when they were improved and barely got thicker, on top of that gloves can be redesigned so they don't flare out at the forearms, preventing heat entering
I have racing gloves (not sure if like F1 but similar) and they are already quite bulky. Anything I can think of probably wouldn't work. Things like gel or foam squeezed after a multiple Gs impact. In case of an accident, you want your hands to work so you can remove yourself from the situation like Roman did. I have had similar burns (not in an accident) and while not pleasant, beat the hell out of being trapped in a burning car. If anybody comes up with a solution that leaves enough dexterity to grab things and crawl out, sure. I'd be all for it.
Culprit seems to be the barrier. It is horrific that the barrier split open, letting half the car go through it... pulling the driver along, tearing apart everything in the car. Barriers should be designed to withstand and stop forces..., not break cars apart. Halo has proved to be the life saver here. If not for the halo, outcome of this crash is unthinkable.
engineering, preparedness and yes a certain does of chance... I hate it when this stuff gets put down to a higher power, when people's expertise, science, and hard work is the real reason
In my opinion, were both. Of course, without the crazy engineering, he wouldn't have survived. But also there could have been other small things that didn't happen, like a different angle of the barrier after the crash, it could have ended right over Romains head trapping him without having a chance to escape without cutting the barrier, or even something like what happened to Kubica, the barrier could have gone between the body of the car and the Halo causing mayor injuries or leaving less space for Grosjean to escape. But again, is my opinion
the halo definitely saved his life. Though walking away with only burns on the back of your hands after a 53g impact with an armco wall, thats a bloody miracle.
I am an engineer and have been a fan of F! since about 1958. My first thought s to have more tire barriers in the early part of the race course. Grosjean crashed on a straight but the start of a race is mass confusion, anything can happen and often does.
Can we all acknowledge the fact that had Romain been knocked unconscious by the impact or passed out from smoke inhalation we could be speaking of a very different outcome? The Halo and survival cell did their job but HE pulled himself from the wreck very quickly. There's certainly room for improvement on the firefighting side of track safety. We shouldn't be complacent just because he survived and this was a freak accident that's unlikely to repeat itself
apparently HANS device stooped him from being knocked unconscious and helmet was smoke tight (they said no evidence of smoke inside the helmet) so it really seems like no luck was involved whatsoever. Everything worked as it supposed to and that's why it appeared as a miracle. If only one thing was ineffective, it would be a different story, but fortunately for Romain, it wasn't. If he was only a bit more conscious driver, everything could be avoided, but hey, we all know that humans are the weakest point in most disaster cases
Can't lie... I too was unsure about the Halo at first. I'm not an expert, but I would think any reasonable person who watches F1 regularly would expect Romain's crash to have been fatal without the halo being there. It makes my skin crawl everytime I see the pictures with halo wedged in between the rails (fencing?). Speaking of the barrier, I hope that F1 takes a hard look at this and sees, that yes, everything went "according to plan," Romain was able to get out quickly, BUT, BUT, it was also and EXTREMELY luck situation. The way the compartment went through the fence could have pinned Romain in the car if he had been going slower. I think the speed of the impact saved him because he went further through the fence. He got out of the car on the far side, but what if he'd stopped with the fence/rail/barrier directly above the cockpit. Not to mention how hard it would have been to rescue him if he'd simple just been knocked out. It could have been a tragedy. I hope they take a look at softening and strengthening ANY barrier that a car could possibly hit.
Firstly, thank God, Romain is okay. At 1:26, clearly the halo, HANS device, and survival cell saved Romain’s life as the cockpit penetrated the barrier. It kept him conscious so he can remove the safety belts and get out. 3:43 - He was so fortunate he has enough space to get out. Thankfully, F1 pilots are very fit and drill emergency escapes. And great work by the medical team and FIA! Great analysis reporting gentlemen! Get well Romain! God speed! #romaingrosjean
The halo saved him. If you think about it if everything else remains the same he doesn’t survive without it. Also the halo is the only reason we’re not asking why everything failed instead of heaping praise. The armco failed, a wheel went flying at high velocity, and Romain got himself out of an inferno. I can’t help but think of the Surtees and Bianchi families today, take a moment to remember their loss and pain is a very big part of why Romain’s family won’t experience the same. Lastly I believe Romain was anti-halo so that is the ultimate irony and one of the things I love about science, it’s real whether you believe in it or not.
Two wheels went flying, actually. If you look at the video on the official F1 channel, you can see one bouncing to the left along the track (mercifully behind all the other cars), and one ends up going over the fence (missing all the marshals)
I would say that the changes to car safety won't be as drastic as track safety would be. Everything worked as it should have worked on the car, but the barrier was the biggest letdown. So I see FIA forcing track owners to change up this style of a barrier to another type, plus new developments in barrier design. Luke put it best when he said that FIA won't look at it like "we got lucky, let's move on". Take the halo, almost everyone hated the halo at the start but FIA said "don't care, it's about safety" and forced teams to use halo.
having watched his interview today (05/12/20) describing how he got himself out was amazing... firstly, the whole setup of the drivers cockpit to protect the driver and despite the 53G impact, he remained conscious and was aware of the situation... but how he remained calm enough to extract himself after several attempts was incredible... one thing in favour.. the steering had come off in the impact... absolutely incredible...
Unreal level of Safety standards now, just incredible. Glad he’s ok. Well done to the FIA for everything they’ve done for Formula One safety, everyone involved with it. And the FIM too, for all the safety progress in MotoGP.
I think it's worth mentioning David Coulthard. He always seems to get forgotten when talking about F1 safety. Doing a video on drivers that helped push safety forward would be a good watch. Those drivers deserve a light shining on their contributions.
The survival cell is great and so is the halo but the barrier shouldn’t fail and there needs to be better in cockpit fires extinguishers and fire containment 100%!
The real save in this case is that the HALO actually burst open the armco. If those panels had not peeled open as wide as they did, the cockpit would have been jammed hard against the barriers, preventing escape. I also think that now doctors and their drivers need full face helmets, or opening full face style. That doctor had to shield his face to get access to the driver. Also, does he wear fire proof gloves?
Guard rails are fine for sedan racing but the strength of the modern open wheel cars and the nose specifically can separate the guard rail as we saw. Also the access points for emergency vehicles might need to be redesigned so the angle of the barrier isn't so acute in those areas. It was a freak accident but there areas for safety improvements.
Everyone is missing the simplest remedy that could have prevented this and the Stroll/Kyvat crash - BIGGER MIRRORS, probably with blind spot mirror/sensors
Also HANS device works by limiting front and back movement of the driver’s head so that her or his brain doesn’t hit his skull. By doing this, brain injury is prevented also the person doesn’t go unconscious.
The barriers on a corner have tires etc also to absorb some of the energy. The barriers Romain hit were on a straight and I guess no one expected an accident there so no additional shock absorbers were added to the Armco barriers. The lesson might be to have the same barriers with sufficient shock absorbers attached all round the circuit.
He was so lucky. F1 safety is great, but in that crash, I think a lot of things could've gotten a lot worse. I detailed this in my video as well, but he could've been trapped by the barrier, and stuck in there just like Niki Lauda. SO LUCK. So glad to see he's ok. Speedy recovery!
Watching F1 for the last few years has been without the real understanding of the danger these guys are susceptible to every time they go out on the track. How many laps do they drive long before the race itself? Each one could end in tragedy. I have experienced, in some way, the deaths of far too many incredible athletes in this sport. I'm 72. In our modern life we can drive an F1 car via a computer program. How many consider that as close to reality?? It's nowhere near. This accident with Romain will, hopefully, wake the whole F1 community to appreciate so much more the incredible risks these guys take.
Yes, Halo is the most to contribute t o being alive in that very scary crash. If halo was already in place during Senna's horrific crash, he could be alive today. But the medics also are very efficient and skilled to saving Romain and luckily Romain was conscious after the impact otherwise it's very difficult for the medics to remove him from the wrecks as he's tightly tucked in the car.
The safety gear worn by the medical crew needs to be reconsidered so they can get closer to a fire in the event the driver is unconscious, particularly closed visas and their own oxygen supply if necessary. Better fire training for marshals.
Romain’s cold blood and fitness was also super important. To be aware and not faint because of the impact (53G) is a miracle too... The security drills that every driver undergo really pay off!
An exceptional tribute to the generations of engineers and technicians who have worked tirelessly to fulfil Jackie Stewart’s vision to keep drivers safe under the most extreme of incidents. I could not have dreamt up this conflagration and yet, Grosjean emerges alive and intact. Congrats to all concerned.
Had he been unconscious he would not have survived. Not enough fire extinguishers to put that fire out. Sorry but they would not have got to him. Very lucky
0:18 Mind you, that halo is made from solid titanium and able to withstand a double decker buss fully loaded on top of it and here you see it cracked. I just don't want to imagine what that amount of force would do to a human head.
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Your question: What Saved Grosjean's Life? Mine answer: HALO
What I find incredible is that not only was he conscious but that he was able to extract him self with all that fire around him and that the harnesses and restraint devices released especially that foam and carbo fibre piece that fits around the drivers once they are seated. I don’ generally believe in miracles but here I may have to.
Can we just remember the marshalls aswell please? volunteers who performed admirably in this circumstance. All praise to the medics and FIA is fine but include the marshalls aswell please!
The Marshalls were a bit iffy and panicky. (Which is to be expected in Bahrain) In order to get good you'd need a lot of practice and real life experience. These track don't see as much club/lower class action as European tracks which in turn helps the marshalls get better. But god the medical car team and the ambulance crew was absolutely incredible. That was perfection on worldwide display.
Did the guardrail really fail, or did it exactly what it was supposed to do: dissipate the energy. All the safety measures, including those on the car itself worked flawlessly. The Halo The engine broke off, like it is supposed to. What could be points of interest: - The fuel spillage from the collector tank. - And the onboard fire extinguisher that did nothing. I'd say, focus on that, not the barriers...
Very interesting point. However, I'm sure this incident will effect what type of barrier is placed in certain positions. If the FIA is persuaded that a different barrier could have prevented fire altogether then that's a change I'm sure we'd all support!
@@1966someguy But the fire was caused by the rear end breaking off. I see that as a good thing. I don't want to think about what could have happened, if the engine actually had stayed on! The kinetics of it. Driver unscaved but brain turned to mush, or... 2nd degree burns on the hands... You see what I mean. It was a fluke accident 'halfway' down the straight, but was it a fluke Grosjean survived? If he would have hit the unclad concrete barriers, they put up afterwards, would he just gotten out of the wreckage and dusted himself off, while looking back? Not sure...
@@Paul_VanGo Yeah I see what you mean and mostly agree. However, RG still would have come to a very sudden stop (which is what is dangerous) because those rails aren't that absorbent. Each type of barrier has different strengths and are chosen on the type of impact likely to happen and my suspicion is that this impact was far more "head on" than was predicted. Given that, the FIA could choose to change to more absorbant barriers where they stick out for marshal posts? Either way if hindsight shows better barriers could have helps then it's no bad thing! We saw yesterday than no one safety element alone was enough
The FIA should have learned from the deaths of Francois Cevert and Patrick Depailler. The Armco barrier is archaic. This specific location would be a perfect application for the SAFER barrier as used at the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve and Baku.
Also it's time to get rid of the Armco barrier's.F-1 stopped racing at Watkins Glen basically because of the Armco barriers, and that was in the 60's, why is Bahrain which is fairly new built with same old barriers. Ask NASCAR's help with soft wall technology.
I'm so glad Romain survived relatively unhurt. The drivers revolted against the halo. Im glad the FIA enforced the halo and saved the drivers from themselves.
Thank god he didn’t lose consciousness after the impact otherwise Im sure it would have ended differently, even with all the amazing safety systems doing their jobs. Maybe something for the FIA to look at it’s the location & size/capacity of the fire extinguishers around the track because I don’t think those small hand held ones would of put the fire out quick enough if he couldn’t get himself out.
The halo, carbon fibre, a multi layered nomex race suit, carbon fibre crash helmet, 6 point harness, marshalls and fire extinguishers.🍉🍉
don't forget the HANS device.
@@johnsmith1474 Actually they sprayed right where grosjean was getting out so it definitely helped him get out. Wasnt perfect but it definitely helped
@@MrDrBlahh The safety car guys had to work the extinguishers initially due to the track helpers inadequacy. One guy didn't know you have to pull the pin and the big guy on the inside of the fence was 4 meters away. Romain is very lucky.
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I agree.
On a side note, it was the medical car, not the safety car but that’s just me being pedantic🤓
Nope blind luck saved his life.
Of course all the safety measures contributed to saving his life, but I feel it's been understated how amazing Romain himself was to be able to take a 50+ G crash, remain conscious and composed enough to get himself out in the 20ish seconds he had. He's literally one of only people in the world who would even had a chance to survive that.
@@johnsmith1474 well for starters I don't think you'll manage very well
@@johnsmith1474 Well given maybe only a few hundred people in the world are trained in getting out of similar cockpits, let alone one wedged in a barrier and has just exploded, I feel pretty confident in my statement.
@@johnsmith1474 Most ordinary people would be knocked unconscious after experiencing less than 10G (about a fifth of what Grosjean experienced) . Many people tend to panic and lose enough focus to react in a manner that would keep them trapped for longer. If you want proof professional racing drivers are exceptional athletes, the ability to get out of a car on fire that quickly after such force requires the level of physical and mental strength only bestowed to those who make it as elite athletes, in any sport. Grosjean's physical and mental condition allowed him to get out of the cockpit quickly after the survival cell and halo did its job of protecting him from impact and his race suit protecting him from the worst of the fire.
sean robinson 😂😂
Even finding the buckle can be difficult in a panic situation. And he had to remove his harness, remove the steering wheel, pop off the head surround and only then could he begin wriggling out. With his broken rib and probably concussion. Tough bloke.
I remember so many people screaming the Halo should go because it's 'ugly', and i admit for a long time i was on the fence as well. But it's appearance was always just a matter of time to improve, in its second year it was already more streamlined and 'prettier'. The main part is that time and time again we've seen it's value pay out in saving/protecting the drivers lives. After Grosjean's incident nobody can dispute that anymore.
It saved a life, nothing else comes close to that....
I'm still of the opinion that it's really ugly and just doesn't fit in on an F1 car but if really you believe that it should be removed from F1 because of looks you need to re-evaluate what kind of motorsports fan you are. As much as it does just look slapped on bulgy, it has saved at least one life and that's all that truly matters.
@@notachannel6097 I didn't know how well built it was, its made out of titanium and with good bloody science.......
@@exsappermadman25055 I mean I never doubted how strong it was after I heard that it needed to withstand the weight of a double decker bus. I always knew what it's purpose was I just still think its ugly af lol.
@@notachannel6097 They make claims about the stuff but until its tested in full.....It looks a bit good on the 2022 machines though.....
Grosjean also saved himself. Getting up out of that fire after that impact was truly impressive. And yes, the marshals did a fantastic and quick job getting there with the extinguishers.
I take back every bit of criticism I made about the halo. Who cares what the cars look like? A Driver's life was saved, and that's infinitely more important.
Indeed, what I thought at the time was "it does look like it was designed by O'Reilly from Fawlty Towers but the bigger question is do you want to be decapitated or not?" It proved itself back in spa 2018 and it's 100% proved itself now.
I feel like im the only person in the world that thinks the halo looks sick.
@@Kaskut - Nope, you are not. I think that they came up to a pretty badass looking answer to a problem. Also, the way they use it to display info during the TV broadcast was genius on someone's part.
Dude ...... you are like the very first person this year to admit they were wrong in an internet post! Thank you for partially restoring my faith in humanity.
It answered the main criticism a lot of people had that wasn't just people going it looks bad, the main issue was in the case of fire could a driver extract them self in a timely manner
Romain is the super hero here. Looking at how the survival structure was wedged in the barrier, to have the presence of mind to know how to lift the shoulder padding, escape through the halo, and underneath the barrier WHILE ON FIRE!!! That’s true warrior move.
When I saw his wreck I couldn't belive that it was a F1 car before, and the guy who was there has survived that without any heavy injuries...
Absolutely amazing that he survived that. All the HALO haters (myself included) have to have some humble pie......
I stopped hating the halo when I saw the 2022 design
@@cyberbird451 It does look badass, and now we know it does its job, hugely!....
@@exsappermadman25055 i hope everyone who has had anything against the halo looks at this and realizes how important it is, and how much of a diffrence it does
@@christianjohnsen105 Yup, if it only saves one life it will have been good enough......
I'll eat my words gladly. The halo was necessary and I was wrong about it.
F1 learns the most from tragedy, the fact that this isn’t one is a miracle and we need to learn the most from it
When I say miracle I am referring to the fact that the medical car was right behind, and the great job the FIA does to learn and develop from big crashes like this one
Not a miracle, just hours of safety research doing its job.
@@xwarped83 Like a poorly angled armco?
@@Spyker8921 There will always always be something that could be improved... let's hope this is next!
Exactly!
Even if he survived the FIA and fans shouldn't be complacent, there are things to improve
Grosjean ending his #F1 career in a spectacular accident seems about right.
Very few people on these videos mentioning the single marshal who ran over and attacked the fire from the track side, think he alone did more than either the medical staff or the other marshals. Kudos to him. Likely a volunteer and was there with no head protection, eye protection or face protection other than the covid-19 mask and his jacket hood.
I agree, I do fire control training with dry powder extinguishers regularly through work and that marshal did exactly what I have been taught. Don't just swing the nosel aimlessly in the air at a fire, but aim it low and sweep the area. He was never going to put that fire out with the one extinguisher, but he did enough to give Romain and Dr Ian that couple of seconds clear.👍
I recently heard an interview with a wildfire firefighter. They are trained to stop and look around before taking action. His training included a hula hoop on the floor. Stand. Look. Action. Maybe track guy realized he couldn’t see what a person would be able to see track-side. Good move.
100%
Yeah well said. I'm a bit annoyed the reporters are just going on about the medical car and not much mention of the Marshall. Bad reporting as if he didn't exist.
That man must be identified and be given the proper credits imo
After Ronnie Peterson Sid Watkins insisted of Medical Car following Pack on the opening lap as Sid identified this lap as most dangerous. The fact of 29 second extraction and hero of Medical Car is exclusively down to lessons learned from Monza that day
Sad that someone has to die for changes to come. Rip Ronnie
The guy driving the safety car should have been wearing a full face helmet to protect his face from the heat from the fire. If you go back and watch he was going to reach in to grab roman but he had to back off a bit because a flame shot out, and must have been unbelievably hot on his face, so then when he eventually was able to help roman, roman was already mostly out the fire. If he'd have just had a full face helmet on in the first place he could have got roman out maybe a couple of seconds quicker. Those couple of seconds can be life or death.
Very true. But hindsight is a wonderful thing. Even with such a great comment, did you think of this before? Unfortunately (or fortunately, depends on how you see it), humans are fallible and learn from their mistakes. I'm sure in the future, the safety car driver will be even better equipped.
Definitely something we can expect the FIA to rectify in light of this incident
@@skylineboy001 the best thing about this is that we now have a massive amount of new data to work with, and the cost of this data was not a drivers life as it all to often is.
Every advancement of the past combined to give Grosjean the chance to survive. Now this accident will build an even safer car to save another driver in the future
Seeing that live made my heart drop... I definitely thought he was dead.... but seeing him rise from that fire like a Terminator was amazing.. 💪
Yes, exactly the scene from the movie - but it was no CGI illusion. Amazing when life imitates art!
Something I just realized at 4:04, is that romain still had the JB17 tribute on his helmet.. the safety improvements that Jules legacy led to saved his friend. So happy that Romain is safe 👍
The main job of the HANS device is preventing basilar skull fractures, rather than impact with the steering wheel or anything like that. Clearly it worked in this case though.
Yes, the belts are what prevent steering wheel contact
@@counterfit5 Yep.
Indeed.
Basilar skull fractures were one of the fatal injuries suffered by Roland Ratzenberger and Ayrton Senna at Imola in 1994.
Without the HANS device Jules Bianchi (although he did ultimately die from his injuries) might have died instantly of a broken neck or even been decapitated.
@@biscuitcase83 Basilar skull fractures have killed more racing drivers than anyone would believe. The HANS device has had a huge impact on bringing the number of driver fatalities down. It's not commonly known but if you read the coroner's report, which I have, it was a basilar skull fracture that killed Ayrton Senna. But that was caused by something other than the deceleration. Still, a HANS device would have stopped it.
@@thethirdman225
It was the force of the wheel to his head that pushed it violently back against the headrest, that caused Senna's skull fractures.
As the front part of his brain was also crushed by the wheel/broken suspension, he would have died anyway even with HANS unfortunately.
The survival cell is great and so is the halo but the barrier shouldn’t fail and there needs to be better in cockpit fires extinguishers and fire containment
The halo saved him from dying on the spot, but after that it was more or less up to him. Nobody could put the fire out or get him out of there. If he doesn't climb out on his own he burns to death.
@@acok97 yeah but the problem is that had his car been lodged like 8 inches deeper into the barrier he wouldn't have been able to get out
@@acok97 agreed, if you look the marshals and the medical car corespondent saw him as he climbed out and targeted that area the help aid him in is escapes
@@thelonelyphish that or if he is unconscious, injured or for whatever else reason can't get out of the car. They just couldn't put the fire out in time. For me that is much more worrying. Obviously he was helped by the safety of the car and also had a bit of luck, but I hope that the FIA doesn't ignore the fact that even nowadays they can't control a fire like that. They need to research and develop something against it.
No amount of in car fire extinguishers are going to put out 100 kilos of race fuel if the tank is ruptured tbh. Romain experienced the absolute best outcome he could have ever hoped for in a situation like that.
To lighten up the mood, I think the thing that saved him was Ferrari's GP2 engine, which meant he collided with the barriers at a lower speed. On a serious note, thank god for the halo.
Alright that's just a serious burn isn't it?
He was going at 220 km/ho on impact. wasn't really slow there mate
@@lesterdmello it was a joke mate...
@@rogehmarbi indeed :)
I'm still emotional, IDK why. I was never a GJ fan. But noone needs wish ill on anyone. And GJ's reaction, man he litteraly makes me cry. I don't get how someone can be this positive in life. Thank you Romain.
Like many others here I saw it happen live and I gasped. I had flashbacks of terrible incidents. I was both shocked and relieved to see Romain jump out of that inferno. I wish him a speedy recovery.
It might have been a bit of a squeeze getting out but when you're inside a fire, I'm sure you're sufficiently motivated to get out of some very tight gaps.
Having been a person that has put a GT3 into a tire wall at 150kph at Mosport in Canada and also a person that got my race license, one of the main things that I think will come out of this: 1) glove liners - the reason his hands are burnt is the sweat from his hands soaked the gloves and the fire flash steems the sweat burning your hands instantly (wear liners) 2) Tie your shoes properly - it's not a joke if you have to run through fire with no shoes, 3) 3section horizontal metal fencing is a decapitation device but it did massively reduce the Gs going it
He didn't forget to tie his shoes but his shoe got actually stuck in the car, quick thinking to get out fast anyway, though maybe burnt his foot.
Lol, when ur a f1 driver you’re still smiling about life just mins after almost being burnt alive. What a sweet job! Get well soon Romaine!
The Armco has got to go. 1960's barrier technology isn't doing anybody any favors in 2020.
When roads are abandoning it you know it doesn't have a place in F1 any more.
Absolutely agree. With the money in F1 they shouldn't be using such antiquated equipment when much better methods are and have been available for decades. The excuse well cars usually don't go off there , but if that was the case why was there a barrier at all? This accident proves that every part of a track is a potential place for a wreck. No, the truth is this came down to cost. Armco is cheap to buy and install compared to other safer barriers available.
@@XA351GT I wouldn't be surprised if it 's a call down to each track since they likely have to comp the costs of replacing it.
If he had been knocked out or had broken hands or legs he wouldn't have been able to extricate himself. So many things went right. Amazing engineering.
Amazing God🙏🏽
@@allthingseveryting Who made amazing engineers.
@@allthingseveryting Imaginary figures had nothing to do with it.
The spirit of Nikki was looking after Grosjean.
The part that did fail is the steel barrier. It should have been a SAFER BARRIER like what NASCAR uses. something that absorbs energy.
And prevents penetration of the barrier, which is why the car broke in half and the fuel cell ripped open.
Armco barriers ARE designed to absorb energy. And it did. Try doing some research. 🙄
Enormous amounts of energy were dissipated by the tearing appart of the car and the barrier , A driver would probably not survive the massive internal injuries if the car had come to a dead stop, so the barrier did its job .
An excellent analysis from people who clearly know what they are talking about. I learnt something about the HANS device watching this.
Dude it was not an excellent analysis at all. They talked about the obvious superficial stuff. The Hans device while keeping him conscious also trapped him in the car. That's how he lost his shoe.
@@DEFKNIGHT That's your opinion, which you're entitled to. Mine is different.
@@robthornton6288 Some people use that "my opinion, your opinion" a little too much. But whatever. They talked about nothing at at all. They questioned nothing. And put all the praise on the Emergency crew. Grosjean got himself out of the car. The Emergency. The helped him walk away. Not to say they weren't brave for messing with a fire like that. But to say they were the heroes? Okay if you want to. But Grosjean saved his own life. And fact is, The Hans device and Halo together along with the railing trapped him in the Car. That's not an opinion. That's a fact.
@@DEFKNIGHT I repeat that in my opinion it was a good analysis. Nothing more to say on the matter.
Wow. Hope you have a full and speedy recovery. Prayers for Roman
Everyone is leaving out the role played by the marshal with the fire extinguisher that knocked the flames back long enough for the MO to grab Romain - if anyone even does mention the marshal(s), it's only as an afterthought.
How true!
Don't forget - he climbed out through the L/H SIDE of the halo opening!
This is what I was trying to figure out. The armco was above the main halo opening, I didn't realise the side openings were large enough to escape through.
Grosjean initially reached out and touched the barrier with his right hand but was unable to free himself. He then did a almost 360 degree turn turning to his left to wiggle and pull his way out of the top not the side. Watch closely you can see his movements in the car especially after the first extinguisher blast.
Considering his visor melted that should be addressed.
His state of awareness in such a time was impeccable.
Mmm, 27 seconds is pretty damn good !
The tears off melted, not the visor
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@@scottiramage317 Ahh, good thinking 99!
I’m just in awe at how much progress has been made. Hopefully they can continue to make significant progress.
Not a single word on fuel tank rupturing like that?
Smaller fuel tank (which can be better protected) with mid race refuelling may be a safer option. It's potentially much easier to deal with a pitlane fire.
Probably because it was not (mostly)
@@GremmieWhite my suspicion is that the fuel cell *was* ruptured. The factor limiting the burn rate was surely the available oxygen, not how fast the fuel was escaping. Compare Grosjean's crash:
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With Lauda's crash (which was a tank rupture):
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The flames are much bigger for Grosjean.
Exactly. While a lot of safety measures did properly function, the fuel cell did not.
@@donaldmoser212 Exactly how do create a completely rupture proof fuel tank? At least without making it weigh half a ton?
The scariest part is that they took so long to show the accident I was like that's it
He's dead, that's why they won't show us
Someone was saying they played it too soon
If you look at the Halo it has damage on it indicating a hit right to Grosjeans head had it not been there
Without the halo:
Even if it had not killed Grosjean on impact, the crash probably would have knocked him unconscious
Even it had not knocked him unconscious, the barrier would have been jammed against his helmet, preventing his escape
Yep, the halo pretty definitively saved Grosjean's life there.
The steering wheel collapsed on impact thereby letting Grosjean exit the vehicle.
joe r gonzales did it actually break off
@@rcblitzfpv8346 - yep. I believe it's one of the safety features when the car experiences a certain g-load impact.
@@jgonzalesm6 never knew that
@@jgonzalesm6 yea Jean experienced 53g
This accident definitely changed my mind on the Halo. My two main criticisms were the vision for that middle bit, and I thought it will be harder for the drivers to get out. Seeing Hulkenberg upside down a few seasons back being stuck, kind of confirmed that for me. And Stroll also needed to get out. But Romain would have had zero chance surviving without it and got out OK.
But Romain has an issue driving carelessly, and has been still doing for the past seasons, he did cut across Kvyat in an unsafe way. Accidents happen, but they can be avoidable.
The car is designed to break apart like it did, as you mentioned, to disperse the energy. The only failure was the fire from what I can see on the car, obviously the barrier too.
From an accident this severe, the overall outcome was a miracle. My main cause for future concern is the guard rail barrier, Grosjean was very lucky to have the space and room to fight his way out of the blaze. This barrier in a similar incident could trap and/or penetrate a driver next time. These guard rail barriers need to go!
Seems the fundamental issue is the track safety if the car had lodged in that split barrier halo or no halo he would of been trapped and burnt alive, the barriers seem to be a future issue. Great job on the car build to be able to offer this level of protection. Nobody wants or needs to see a driver hurt in a racing accident.
I smiled when I you showed Grosjean's hospital photo, truly relieved that he is fine, apart from some burns. 🙏
6:58 please include metric units in your videos.
Best wishes to Romain Grosjean for a speedy recovery.
The photos and video of him standing up from inside that inferno were immediately terrifying, and at the same time beautiful.
No ones talking about the poor safety rail design and positioning.
How is it poor
As far as It goes Susan, the fact that the rail crumbled and absorbed so much of the energy is part of the reason why Grosjean is still with us!
But yes the position and type of barrier are a little questionable.
@@velobob4299 nope, a barier like this must be able to deform, absorb energy but not collapse like this one.
@@blakeritter4791 Imagine it was made of unbreakable rubber, that's how it ought to work.
@@olivierb9716 Do some actual research before making claims that it failed.
In my opinion the volunteer marshal who was quickly on seen and contributed massively to allowing Roman's extraction hasn't received the praise that should be rained upon him. Hats off to him.
I assume that sometimes the negotiations with tracks about the specific implementation of trackside safety measures could get a little tense - and at the very least, this will help the F1 to "win" all of those discussions and make sure no corners are cut.
Like the loose manhole cover in Azerbaijan 2? Years ago? It got sucked up and destroyed the chassis.
WE KNOW THE GLOVES MUST BE IMPROVED IF THAT IS THE ONLY THINGS TO GET HURT ON HIS BODY, IMPROVE THE GLOVES!!!!!
Lawrence tweeted that the suit got an update while the gloves didn’t, suit is now rated for 20sec while the gloves are 10sec
Thick stiff gloves may be more of a hazard than a help. Just a guess.
Would have helped with him injuries if they`d stopped him cooking immediately he was over that barrier! First think you do with a fire victim, because the cooking continues until you quench the heat-affected areas.
@@rong1924 Does not require much thickening just like the suits when they were improved and barely got thicker, on top of that gloves can be redesigned so they don't flare out at the forearms, preventing heat entering
I have racing gloves (not sure if like F1 but similar) and they are already quite bulky. Anything I can think of probably wouldn't work. Things like gel or foam squeezed after a multiple Gs impact. In case of an accident, you want your hands to work so you can remove yourself from the situation like Roman did. I have had similar burns (not in an accident) and while not pleasant, beat the hell out of being trapped in a burning car.
If anybody comes up with a solution that leaves enough dexterity to grab things and crawl out, sure. I'd be all for it.
Call me a weirdo but I actually prefer the look of the halo now. I just think they should add a screen like Indy car to finish it.
Culprit seems to be the barrier. It is horrific that the barrier split open, letting half the car go through it... pulling the driver along, tearing apart everything in the car.
Barriers should be designed to withstand and stop forces..., not break cars apart.
Halo has proved to be the life saver here. If not for the halo, outcome of this crash is unthinkable.
It wasn't a miracle. It wasn't divine intervention. It was brilliant engineering.
engineering, preparedness and yes a certain does of chance...
I hate it when this stuff gets put down to a higher power, when people's expertise, science, and hard work is the real reason
In my opinion, were both.
Of course, without the crazy engineering, he wouldn't have survived.
But also there could have been other small things that didn't happen, like a different angle of the barrier after the crash, it could have ended right over Romains head trapping him without having a chance to escape without cutting the barrier, or even something like what happened to Kubica, the barrier could have gone between the body of the car and the Halo causing mayor injuries or leaving less space for Grosjean to escape. But again, is my opinion
Let's not get complacent. Romain could've been knocked unconscious. And then who would've been able to get him out and after how long?
the halo definitely saved his life. Though walking away with only burns on the back of your hands after a 53g impact with an armco wall, thats a bloody miracle.
Ahh American engineering
I am an engineer and have been a fan of F! since about 1958. My first thought s to have more tire barriers in the early part of the race course. Grosjean crashed on a straight but the start of a race is mass confusion, anything can happen and often does.
Can we all acknowledge the fact that had Romain been knocked unconscious by the impact or passed out from smoke inhalation we could be speaking of a very different outcome?
The Halo and survival cell did their job but HE pulled himself from the wreck very quickly. There's certainly room for improvement on the firefighting side of track safety.
We shouldn't be complacent just because he survived and this was a freak accident that's unlikely to repeat itself
apparently HANS device stooped him from being knocked unconscious and helmet was smoke tight (they said no evidence of smoke inside the helmet) so it really seems like no luck was involved whatsoever. Everything worked as it supposed to and that's why it appeared as a miracle. If only one thing was ineffective, it would be a different story, but fortunately for Romain, it wasn't. If he was only a bit more conscious driver, everything could be avoided, but hey, we all know that humans are the weakest point in most disaster cases
Can't lie... I too was unsure about the Halo at first. I'm not an expert, but I would think any reasonable person who watches F1 regularly would expect Romain's crash to have been fatal without the halo being there. It makes my skin crawl everytime I see the pictures with halo wedged in between the rails (fencing?). Speaking of the barrier, I hope that F1 takes a hard look at this and sees, that yes, everything went "according to plan," Romain was able to get out quickly, BUT, BUT, it was also and EXTREMELY luck situation. The way the compartment went through the fence could have pinned Romain in the car if he had been going slower. I think the speed of the impact saved him because he went further through the fence. He got out of the car on the far side, but what if he'd stopped with the fence/rail/barrier directly above the cockpit. Not to mention how hard it would have been to rescue him if he'd simple just been knocked out. It could have been a tragedy. I hope they take a look at softening and strengthening ANY barrier that a car could possibly hit.
Glad to see grosjean is safe and up to speed again
Firstly, thank God, Romain is okay. At 1:26, clearly the halo, HANS device, and survival cell saved Romain’s life as the cockpit penetrated the barrier. It kept him conscious so he can remove the safety belts and get out. 3:43 - He was so fortunate he has enough space to get out. Thankfully, F1 pilots are very fit and drill emergency escapes. And great work by the medical team and FIA! Great analysis reporting gentlemen! Get well Romain! God speed! #romaingrosjean
The halo saved him. If you think about it if everything else remains the same he doesn’t survive without it. Also the halo is the only reason we’re not asking why everything failed instead of heaping praise. The armco failed, a wheel went flying at high velocity, and Romain got himself out of an inferno. I can’t help but think of the Surtees and Bianchi families today, take a moment to remember their loss and pain is a very big part of why Romain’s family won’t experience the same. Lastly I believe Romain was anti-halo so that is the ultimate irony and one of the things I love about science, it’s real whether you believe in it or not.
Two wheels went flying, actually. If you look at the video on the official F1 channel, you can see one bouncing to the left along the track (mercifully behind all the other cars), and one ends up going over the fence (missing all the marshals)
I would say that the changes to car safety won't be as drastic as track safety would be. Everything worked as it should have worked on the car, but the barrier was the biggest letdown. So I see FIA forcing track owners to change up this style of a barrier to another type, plus new developments in barrier design.
Luke put it best when he said that FIA won't look at it like "we got lucky, let's move on". Take the halo, almost everyone hated the halo at the start but FIA said "don't care, it's about safety" and forced teams to use halo.
Too many ads guys... was listening intently but just to frustrating!!
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@@CodeineAbdulJabbar have to make money?
they don't have to, they want to
having watched his interview today (05/12/20) describing how he got himself out was amazing... firstly, the whole setup of the drivers cockpit to protect the driver and despite the 53G impact, he remained conscious and was aware of the situation... but how he remained calm enough to extract himself after several attempts was incredible... one thing in favour.. the steering had come off in the impact... absolutely incredible...
the drivers suit was upgraded to 20seconds fire rating this year
gloves and shoes are still at 10 second rating.
Unreal level of Safety standards now, just incredible. Glad he’s ok. Well done to the FIA for everything they’ve done for Formula One safety, everyone involved with it. And the FIM too, for all the safety progress in MotoGP.
According to kay burley on sky news it was the medic that saved his life. Whilst his assistance was brave, I'm not sure I'd go that far
Kay Burley's not the sharpest tool in the box though
@@thomashall4886 nope, not really. She loves a bit of hyperbole though
55g’s of force, a broken vehicle and a massive ball of smoke. But most importantly he actually survived. What a miracle🙏
Science, research, engineering, manufacturing, testing, perfecting safety systems. Definitely not a miracle.
I think it's worth mentioning David Coulthard. He always seems to get forgotten when talking about F1 safety.
Doing a video on drivers that helped push safety forward would be a good watch. Those drivers deserve a light shining on their contributions.
The survival cell is great and so is the halo but the barrier shouldn’t fail and there needs to be better in cockpit fires extinguishers and fire containment 100%!
The real save in this case is that the HALO actually burst open the armco. If those panels had not peeled open as wide as they did, the cockpit would have been jammed hard against the barriers, preventing escape. I also think that now doctors and their drivers need full face helmets, or opening full face style. That doctor had to shield his face to get access to the driver. Also, does he wear fire proof gloves?
I’m glad he survived. Now we can watch grosjean memes without feeling bad.
Guard rails are fine for sedan racing but the strength of the modern open wheel cars and the nose specifically can separate the guard rail as we saw. Also the access points for emergency vehicles might need to be redesigned so the angle of the barrier isn't so acute in those areas. It was a freak accident but there areas for safety improvements.
Everyone is missing the simplest remedy that could have prevented this and the Stroll/Kyvat crash - BIGGER MIRRORS, probably with blind spot mirror/sensors
A spotter for the drivers maybe?
Also HANS device works by limiting front and back movement of the driver’s head so that her or his brain doesn’t hit his skull. By doing this, brain injury is prevented also the person doesn’t go unconscious.
9 seconds to get medical car there. 17 seconds till the fire extinguishers are used. 29 seconds till he exits the car.
The barriers on a corner have tires etc also to absorb some of the energy. The barriers Romain hit were on a straight and I guess no one expected an accident there so no additional shock absorbers were added to the Armco barriers. The lesson might be to have the same barriers with sufficient shock absorbers attached all round the circuit.
He was so lucky. F1 safety is great, but in that crash, I think a lot of things could've gotten a lot worse. I detailed this in my video as well, but he could've been trapped by the barrier, and stuck in there just like Niki Lauda. SO LUCK. So glad to see he's ok. Speedy recovery!
I still can't quite believe what happened yesterday.
Its about the safety of the halo not how “good it looks”.
It can be made to look good as long as it's structure etc is unaltered
Watching F1 for the last few years has been without the real understanding of the danger these guys are susceptible to every time they go out on the track. How many laps do they drive long before the race itself? Each one could end in tragedy. I have experienced, in some way, the deaths of far too many incredible athletes in this sport. I'm 72. In our modern life we can drive an F1 car via a computer program. How many consider that as close to reality?? It's nowhere near. This accident with Romain will, hopefully, wake the whole F1 community to appreciate so much more the incredible risks these guys take.
If Leclerc's incident at Alfa Romeo didn't show the usefulness of the halo, and out all criticism to bed, this certainly will.
Yes, Halo is the most to contribute t o being alive in that very scary crash. If halo was already in place during Senna's horrific crash, he could be alive today. But the medics also are very efficient and skilled to saving Romain and luckily Romain was conscious after the impact otherwise it's very difficult for the medics to remove him from the wrecks as he's tightly tucked in the car.
The safety gear worn by the medical crew needs to be reconsidered so they can get closer to a fire in the event the driver is unconscious, particularly closed visas and their own oxygen supply if necessary. Better fire training for marshals.
Romain’s cold blood and fitness was also super important. To be aware and not faint because of the impact (53G) is a miracle too...
The security drills that every driver undergo really pay off!
The engine should not have stayed attracted to the chassis (the front) so not everything worked right - even Ross Brawn said so
An exceptional tribute to the generations of engineers and technicians who have worked tirelessly to fulfil Jackie Stewart’s vision to keep drivers safe under the most extreme of incidents. I could not have dreamt up this conflagration and yet, Grosjean emerges alive and intact. Congrats to all concerned.
Had he been unconscious he would not have survived. Not enough fire extinguishers to put that fire out. Sorry but they would not have got to him. Very lucky
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Mind you, that halo is made from solid titanium and able to withstand a double decker buss fully loaded on top of it and here you see it cracked. I just don't want to imagine what that amount of force would do to a human head.
Your question: What Saved Grosjean's Life?
Mine answer: HALO
I was surprised to see Armaco still used on F1 tracks......thank goodness for the halo!
there's no such thing as 'angels'. That's why these cars have man-made helos
What I find incredible is that not only was he conscious but that he was able to extract him self with all that fire around him and that the harnesses and restraint devices released especially that foam and carbo fibre piece that fits around the drivers once they are seated.
I don’ generally believe in miracles but here I may have to.
Can we just remember the marshalls aswell please? volunteers who performed admirably in this circumstance. All praise to the medics and FIA is fine but include the marshalls aswell please!
The Marshalls were a bit iffy and panicky. (Which is to be expected in Bahrain)
In order to get good you'd need a lot of practice and real life experience. These track don't see as much club/lower class action as European tracks which in turn helps the marshalls get better.
But god the medical car team and the ambulance crew was absolutely incredible. That was perfection on worldwide display.
@@1barnet1 Racist!
@@cuthbertmilligen Yeah take away even more value out of that over used word.
Excellent answers from the team..... barriers need to be reviewed in light to what transpired ...
Did the guardrail really fail, or did it exactly what it was supposed to do: dissipate the energy.
All the safety measures, including those on the car itself worked flawlessly.
The Halo
The engine broke off, like it is supposed to.
What could be points of interest:
- The fuel spillage from the collector tank.
- And the onboard fire extinguisher that did nothing.
I'd say, focus on that, not the barriers...
Very interesting point. However, I'm sure this incident will effect what type of barrier is placed in certain positions. If the FIA is persuaded that a different barrier could have prevented fire altogether then that's a change I'm sure we'd all support!
@@1966someguy But the fire was caused by the rear end breaking off.
I see that as a good thing.
I don't want to think about what could have happened, if the engine actually had stayed on!
The kinetics of it.
Driver unscaved but brain turned to mush, or...
2nd degree burns on the hands...
You see what I mean.
It was a fluke accident 'halfway' down the straight, but was it a fluke Grosjean survived?
If he would have hit the unclad concrete barriers, they put up afterwards, would he just gotten out of the wreckage and dusted himself off, while looking back?
Not sure...
Paul van Lieshout but the guardrail is supposed to stay intact, as to not trap the driver.
It felt, I could’ve trapped him
@@Paul_VanGo Yeah I see what you mean and mostly agree. However, RG still would have come to a very sudden stop (which is what is dangerous) because those rails aren't that absorbent. Each type of barrier has different strengths and are chosen on the type of impact likely to happen and my suspicion is that this impact was far more "head on" than was predicted. Given that, the FIA could choose to change to more absorbant barriers where they stick out for marshal posts? Either way if hindsight shows better barriers could have helps then it's no bad thing! We saw yesterday than no one safety element alone was enough
The FIA should have learned from the deaths of Francois Cevert and Patrick Depailler. The Armco barrier is archaic. This specific location would be a perfect application for the SAFER barrier as used at the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve and Baku.
The fact RG walked away from the crash and 🔥 is a testament to the Halo and other FIA safety regulations.
Also it's time to get rid of the Armco barrier's.F-1 stopped racing at Watkins Glen basically because of the Armco barriers, and that was in the 60's, why is Bahrain which is fairly new built with same old barriers. Ask NASCAR's help with soft wall technology.
If the car didn't split in half he would of been stuck under the fence
I'm so glad Romain survived relatively unhurt. The drivers revolted against the halo. Im glad the FIA enforced the halo and saved the drivers from themselves.
Thank god he didn’t lose consciousness after the impact otherwise Im sure it would have ended differently, even with all the amazing safety systems doing their jobs. Maybe something for the FIA to look at it’s the location & size/capacity of the fire extinguishers around the track because I don’t think those small hand held ones would of put the fire out quick enough if he couldn’t get himself out.
Wow so glad to see you get out of that one buddy