I gasped when you said it's a solid trans!! I hope they made revisions, because in the E39 M5 and Euro M3, these things are known to crunch syncros in 2-3 allllll the time. When I put a 6spd in my E36, I'll be going with the E92 gearbox. Can handle more power than my car will ever make, being used up to the 335i, and although it needs a couple of parts custom made for it to fit, the lower cost of the box itself will more than offset that. Not to mention they're younger
Great idea for the giveaway! Also good idea for the 6 speed! I just got a cat delete and magnaflow muffler for my E36 M3. When I go on the highway and get out of my car, my ears feels like I just got out of a concert. Think the 6th speed would definitely reduce the drone and improve gas mileage! Can’t wait to see how this upgrade works out!
Greetings Treats, I wasn't able to find any updates on the 6 speed swap from you, I myself have been considering the same swap, just like you I do alot of hwy driving and always feel like I need another gear...but gave up when I read that the final drive ratio is vertualy the same on the 6 speed, so it's still around 3,500 rpm at 80mph? Was that your experience after the swap? Thanks you, and thanks for the content you produce.
Good luck with the 6spd, glad to see you back with the m3. I think if it were me I would have put the money towards building up the 5spd or maybe a carbon driveshaft? BUT like you said in the comments it's all personal preference and the car will suit your needs!
Good to have you back, I have fell in love with the E36 since I started watching your videos, and now I really want to buy one as my first car, would you recommend me to go for it? I would like to go for a 1993/1994 325i, would it be a good first car? Just for the weekends? And if so what would you advise me to look for?
"good stout transmission" yep, I just blew one up in my e46 on Tuesday. The bell housing shattered at 140-150 mph. It was on a nearly stock m3. The input shaft snapped, cross member snapped, trans. rubber mounts ripped, rear mounts on the transmission snapped off, pilot bearing ripped in two, center support bearing on the driveshaft ripped, the shift knob in 6th gear moved from back right to back left and violently shook until I came to a stop.
@@TreatsOnTheStreets Its because, something cracked the bell housing about a month ago and the crack just spread. It as defiantly not from normal wear and tear that cracked the bell housing. btw the 6 speed will be worth it with highway cruising over the 5 speed. photos.app.goo.gl/VXuQj1XeZkDMU3cHA
@@stuffthatgoesfast2259 No thanks, I just bought one and have a e36 5 speed that I could have borrowed from my 24 hours of lemons car. Plus I think the e36 and e46 trans is different lengths.
Glad to see you back Gavin! Hope you had good vacation. Awesome idea for a giveaway, I must say. I won't engage with, but I do believe this is a great idea! And much fun. Looking forward to this swap - really interested in results. Btw for yall guys, very many BMW trasmissions are interchangable, only slight modifications are needed.. as you can see. And if you're on the cheaper end, you can do what I did - put e46 330d transmission. Doesn't cost as much, has 6th gear and is decent in general. Also can suffer much more torque hits. Cheers!
hey also @treats on the streets -- not sure how that works, but I can't see merch or anything in regards to it via PC? You have any direct links or something? Would be happy to support a channel if you ship to EU!
Thanks for your comments man! Always good to hear from you. I'm working on posting a storefront link in the bio later today. Right now it's only visible on mobile. Should ship to EU just fine!
The down side of the 6sp is the added weight obviously but also it can't be rebuilt like the 5 sp. For track use the 5sp is the only choice to consider. Gears 1-5 are the same with 5th being a 1:1 so you only gain the OD gear.
Did you replace your rear main seal while you waited for the new flywheel to be delivered? Or had you had the pleasure of having a slow leaking rear main seal yet?
This is from an m3 not a 330, and it also came from an SMG that was converted, so the syncros are going to have less wear and tear on them. The computerized shifts are designed to protect the transmission.
We are excited to see that 6speed t mounted on that beast, i have a question to you: do you think is better to buy, an aluminum or plastic thermostat housing for my 325i m50 vanos.
Treats On The Streets yeah man! Too bad I’m planning to sell it soon. I wish I had the money to manual swap it and do some fun stuff with it like yours, but I’m probably moving to an old civic so I can have fun with it for super cheap
I did the same 6-speed swap into my 325is and here are a couple of things to note. Don't bother using the automatic drive shaft. It's a little short and it makes the slip joint ride at the very tip of the spline shaft. Getting a custom driveshaft isn't prohibitively expensive. You don't want to Mickey Mouse that piece of equipment. Secondly, you can scour the U.K. eBay for the E36 Evo shift linkage. I don't think you are current short shift kit will work. And lastly watch out with aftermarket clutch and flywheel kits. I have a Valeo single Mass flywheel clutch kit and I don't like it at all. The throw is too long, it chatters, and is not smooth. Might be good for burnouts but stinks on a daily driver. I prefer the stock dual-mass. Once it's in you will definitely like it because the gear ratios are pretty much the same as the 5speed 1-5 but then six gear cruises really nice at 80, or 90..... no, I mean the speed limit. Yeah that's what I mean.
@@TreatsOnTheStreets if I could remember where I got my drive shaft built, I'd send you there cause they should still have the specs for it! That's what I get for not keeping any of my paperwork!
The problems with the gear chatter and shifting is because you kept the unsprung hub clutch. So there's nothing to dampen the impact from gear changes and the pulse of the engine at idle.
@@stuffthatgoesfast2259 Yes. Exactly. The aftermarket clutch I opted for is a single mass clutch that is typical for most cars out there. I figured, "hey I know how to work a clutch, man! I'll save a few bucks. I don't need the heavy expensive complicated dual-mass set up"... As it turns out, I would have been far better off sticking with the factory set up. I really dislike this clutch in this car. Who knew stock was best.
Lol, the only reason I'm going to do a solid flywheel is because I got an incredible deal on a UUC lightened flywheel and pressure plate. That is made for the 6-speed 420g transmission.
@@TreatsOnTheStreets yeah, I want to get rid of the dual mass flywheel. I just bought a lightweight flywheel from UUC that is designed for the 6-speed transmission.
@@TreatsOnTheStreets I still can't really find a sprung hub clutch for my 420g, It has a 1-1/4" 10-spline input shaft. Dose yours have the same shaft since yours was originally an SMG. Also my car is a 1999 323is and the same color as your M3.
It was a used transmission with about 70k miles on it. All the little details are in the transmission build playlist in previous videos I've made about it.
@@TreatsOnTheStreets awww, but that's cool though. If you're going to turbo, it makes sense. I had a 3.46 sitting in my garage, so I put those internals in my m3s case with some work done to the LSD unit to get 40% lockup as opposed to 25. Made a world of difference! I just hate my shorter ratio.. I wish i had a 6sp at this point too...
@@TreatsOnTheStreets I have heard lots of negatives about the e46 transmission like the throw is too long the gear motion it self is too close together and the gear ratios are not the best
The gear ratios are the exact same as the 5 speed. Only difference is there's a 6th gear on top of it. Throw length and things like that are all personal preference and can be changed with different shifters. Many BMW race teams use the 420g and it ends up being a solid choice. I'm hoping it will be the same for me.
Definitely have their strengths for different purposes I guess. For the purposes I explained the 6 speed is what is best for me although I've really enjoyed the 5.
I won't have mine out for a bit. Once it is out I'll let everyone know, but it will probably go to someone local because I don't really want to ship but we'll see.
I gasped when you said it's a solid trans!! I hope they made revisions, because in the E39 M5 and Euro M3, these things are known to crunch syncros in 2-3 allllll the time.
When I put a 6spd in my E36, I'll be going with the E92 gearbox. Can handle more power than my car will ever make, being used up to the 335i, and although it needs a couple of parts custom made for it to fit, the lower cost of the box itself will more than offset that. Not to mention they're younger
Ross Siggers he doesn't know that, he will learn real soon😂🤣
Does the E92 have a 420g??
Just wanted to say that your videos helped me decide to pull the trigger on my e36 M3. Love it. You do good work, man. Keep 'em coming.
Happy to see you and the project back!
Awesome, this is a game changer for us M3 owners!
Didn’t the EU Spec E36 M3 have the 6speed and ITBs?
Big boy!!!! WASSUP GAVIN! it's good to see another video from your channel. Great you have you back with this project.
Great idea for the giveaway! Also good idea for the 6 speed! I just got a cat delete and magnaflow muffler for my E36 M3. When I go on the highway and get out of my car, my ears feels like I just got out of a concert. Think the 6th speed would definitely reduce the drone and improve gas mileage! Can’t wait to see how this upgrade works out!
Greetings Treats, I wasn't able to find any updates on the 6 speed swap from you, I myself have been considering the same swap, just like you I do alot of hwy driving and always feel like I need another gear...but gave up when I read that the final drive ratio is vertualy the same on the 6 speed, so it's still around 3,500 rpm at 80mph?
Was that your experience after the swap?
Thanks you, and thanks for the content you produce.
Congratulations and I am following to see your success. (:
Is great to hear about your vacation in Puerto Rico. I'm from Puerto Rico 😁, now I live in Massachusetts and I own a BMW e90 2006, I love it!!
Good luck with the 6spd, glad to see you back with the m3. I think if it were me I would have put the money towards building up the 5spd or maybe a carbon driveshaft? BUT like you said in the comments it's all personal preference and the car will suit your needs!
stoked to see this project back on!!
Dude your selfie to POV transitions are 👌🏾🤘🏾
Good to have you back, I have fell in love with the E36 since I started watching your videos, and now I really want to buy one as my first car, would you recommend me to go for it? I would like to go for a 1993/1994 325i, would it be a good first car? Just for the weekends? And if so what would you advise me to look for?
Sure man they're great cars to learn on. Simple to fix and fun
You deserve more subscribers! Great content!
"good stout transmission" yep, I just blew one up in my e46 on Tuesday. The bell housing shattered at 140-150 mph. It was on a nearly stock m3. The input shaft snapped, cross member snapped, trans. rubber mounts ripped, rear mounts on the transmission snapped off, pilot bearing ripped in two, center support bearing on the driveshaft ripped, the shift knob in 6th gear moved from back right to back left and violently shook until I came to a stop.
Well, people run those in 800+hp e36 and e46...
You had a really bad experience, but it doesn't mean they're all fragile.
Dang sounds crazy! Even the best things can fail. The "holy 2jz" even blows up on stock power from time to time. Sorry for the bad luck man!
@@TreatsOnTheStreets Its because, something cracked the bell housing about a month ago and the crack just spread. It as defiantly not from normal wear and tear that cracked the bell housing. btw the 6 speed will be worth it with highway cruising over the 5 speed.
photos.app.goo.gl/VXuQj1XeZkDMU3cHA
If you need a new trans still, I have two M3 5-speeds.
@@stuffthatgoesfast2259 No thanks, I just bought one and have a e36 5 speed that I could have borrowed from my 24 hours of lemons car. Plus I think the e36 and e46 trans is different lengths.
Glad to see you back Gavin! Hope you had good vacation.
Awesome idea for a giveaway, I must say. I won't engage with, but I do believe this is a great idea! And much fun.
Looking forward to this swap - really interested in results.
Btw for yall guys, very many BMW trasmissions are interchangable, only slight modifications are needed.. as you can see.
And if you're on the cheaper end, you can do what I did - put e46 330d transmission. Doesn't cost as much, has 6th gear and is decent in general. Also can suffer much more torque hits.
Cheers!
hey also @treats on the streets -- not sure how that works, but I can't see merch or anything in regards to it via PC? You have any direct links or something? Would be happy to support a channel if you ship to EU!
Thanks for your comments man! Always good to hear from you. I'm working on posting a storefront link in the bio later today. Right now it's only visible on mobile. Should ship to EU just fine!
The down side of the 6sp is the added weight obviously but also it can't be rebuilt like the 5 sp. For track use the 5sp is the only choice to consider. Gears 1-5 are the same with 5th being a 1:1 so you only gain the OD gear.
no one rebuilds the 5 speed, you toss it in trash and swap it because they are a dime a dozen to find.
Dude i was gonna message u last night - where the f have u been! Glad to see ur return :)
Haha sorry for the time off. I'm back!
Did you replace your rear main seal while you waited for the new flywheel to be delivered? Or had you had the pleasure of having a slow leaking rear main seal yet?
Haven't had the pleasure
Cant wait to see how this project goes, and see what it takes to do a 6 speed swap on my e36 m3
It also crunches gears when the syncros go out and they do, all over bfc and elsewhere.
This is from an m3 not a 330, and it also came from an SMG that was converted, so the syncros are going to have less wear and tear on them. The computerized shifts are designed to protect the transmission.
lit bro , would like to see more technical stuff tho
That is coming in later videos 👍. Thanks for watching!
the e36 always needed a 6 speed from day 1. The 5 speed leads to horrible MPG on the freeway. You will enjoy it.
Nobody cars about mpgs tho..
I daily drove my 3 e36s, so yes, I did care. @@fasteddie3133
I believe the euro cars came with 6 speeds. We got 5 speeds and single vanos :(
that is correct, the Euro M3 was basically an e46M3 in an e36 body. It also had a large case differential. @@forrbyc1508
Has anyone ever added a second vanos?? Lol
We are excited to see that 6speed t mounted on that beast, i have a question to you: do you think is better to buy, an aluminum or plastic thermostat housing for my 325i m50 vanos.
Aluminium.
I bought an aluminum. Glad to hear you're excited man!
6speed e36 is dope af. im going s62/6 speed soon
Nice!
Was this M3 original with orange
flashing lights (I taught E36 M3 was always white, or was this a option)?
I feel you! I’ve got an e36 and live in Utah as well! Always riding I-15 at around 4000😂
Haha then you totally know what I mean 😂.
Treats On The Streets yeah man! Too bad I’m planning to sell it soon. I wish I had the money to manual swap it and do some fun stuff with it like yours, but I’m probably moving to an old civic so I can have fun with it for super cheap
For performance driving, would you think a 5-speed is enough? Cuz 6th gear is only useful for daily right?
Sure. It's a good trans. People use both for different reasons.
@@TreatsOnTheStreets Thanks, man.
I did the same 6-speed swap into my 325is and here are a couple of things to note. Don't bother using the automatic drive shaft. It's a little short and it makes the slip joint ride at the very tip of the spline shaft. Getting a custom driveshaft isn't prohibitively expensive. You don't want to Mickey Mouse that piece of equipment. Secondly, you can scour the U.K. eBay for the E36 Evo shift linkage. I don't think you are current short shift kit will work. And lastly watch out with aftermarket clutch and flywheel kits. I have a Valeo single Mass flywheel clutch kit and I don't like it at all. The throw is too long, it chatters, and is not smooth. Might be good for burnouts but stinks on a daily driver. I prefer the stock dual-mass. Once it's in you will definitely like it because the gear ratios are pretty much the same as the 5speed 1-5 but then six gear cruises really nice at 80, or 90..... no, I mean the speed limit. Yeah that's what I mean.
Haha thanks for the insight man! Very helpful.
@@TreatsOnTheStreets if I could remember where I got my drive shaft built, I'd send you there cause they should still have the specs for it! That's what I get for not keeping any of my paperwork!
The problems with the gear chatter and shifting is because you kept the unsprung hub clutch. So there's nothing to dampen the impact from gear changes and the pulse of the engine at idle.
@@stuffthatgoesfast2259 Yes. Exactly. The aftermarket clutch I opted for is a single mass clutch that is typical for most cars out there. I figured, "hey I know how to work a clutch, man! I'll save a few bucks. I don't need the heavy expensive complicated dual-mass set up"... As it turns out, I would have been far better off sticking with the factory set up. I really dislike this clutch in this car. Who knew stock was best.
Lol, the only reason I'm going to do a solid flywheel is because I got an incredible deal on a UUC lightened flywheel and pressure plate. That is made for the 6-speed 420g transmission.
Ooooo, been waiting for this
Thank you
Hey where did you get that plate for the three gauges under the OBC. Cause id like to either buy one or fabricate one to put in some switch panels
VAC motorsports sells them I believe.
can i have some list of what have you done to your bmw e36? :)
420G
Now you just need to get a REAL m3 engine in it ;)
F/I or s54
Love your car👍
Thanks man!
Just put the rest of it in too, S54!
I'm doing exactly the same 6-speed swap. But I'm having trouble finding a solid flywheel conversion kit.
Are you talking about just getting rid of the dual mass flywheel?
@@TreatsOnTheStreets yeah, I want to get rid of the dual mass flywheel. I just bought a lightweight flywheel from UUC that is designed for the 6-speed transmission.
Nice man yeah that should work well for you.
@@TreatsOnTheStreets I still can't really find a sprung hub clutch for my 420g, It has a 1-1/4" 10-spline input shaft. Dose yours have the same shaft since yours was originally an SMG. Also my car is a 1999 323is and the same color as your M3.
As far as I know, all you need to do is buy the regular parts you would buy for an e46 m3 6 speed.
Dope
that tran looks quite new
Where can I get the three gauges you have in front of the shifter?! Link me!
I dont have links because they came on the car when I bought it. They're VDO gauges. You can get the pods from a few diff places. I think VAC has em.
s54 swap is the answer for the e36
Can it be done on e36 328is?
Will the 6 handle your 700hp turbo?
Haha I don't have a turbo or 700hp. But of I get to those levels someday it will hold it.
@@TreatsOnTheStreets Thinking ahead..
Why not try the ZAR 6 speed e36 M3 box bro !!
its the same as the e46 m3 bur the input shaft on the e46 m3 is a bit thicker so stronger.
it's brand new or reman transmission.
It was a used transmission with about 70k miles on it. All the little details are in the transmission build playlist in previous videos I've made about it.
Quick question are you still doing a giveaway?
Yeah in the 4 uploads after we hit 20k!
Treats On The Streets sounds good man, I need some coils for my e36 m3! Lol
Are you going to shorten the rear gear ratio?
Nope. 1-5th should be the exact same as the 5 speed and I want 6th for good low cruising rpm.
@@TreatsOnTheStreets awww, but that's cool though. If you're going to turbo, it makes sense. I had a 3.46 sitting in my garage, so I put those internals in my m3s case with some work done to the LSD unit to get 40% lockup as opposed to 25. Made a world of difference! I just hate my shorter ratio.. I wish i had a 6sp at this point too...
How much would you sell your driveshaft for?
The joints in it are a little worn out from the hard driving so it needs a rebuild.
What about dct to 6 speed manual in a e92 m3? is it possible???
I'm sure it is possible, but that will be an entirely different process than what I am doing here
That intro is so funny
😂
Why didn't you just buy an e36 m3 euro 6 speed ?
They're more $$$ and way harder to find.
@@TreatsOnTheStreets I have heard lots of negatives about the e46 transmission like the throw is too long the gear motion it self is too close together and the gear ratios are not the best
The gear ratios are the exact same as the 5 speed. Only difference is there's a 6th gear on top of it. Throw length and things like that are all personal preference and can be changed with different shifters. Many BMW race teams use the 420g and it ends up being a solid choice. I'm hoping it will be the same for me.
does anyone know if the 540i 420g and e46 420g are interchangeable?
I believe they're different. The v8 bellhousing and a few other things would make it not really a direct fit. Not 100% sure though.
The V8 has a different bell housing, but you can get the inline-6 bell housing and bolt it on. So there kinda interchangeable.
I have a 6sp in my e36👌🏿
Nice!
@@TreatsOnTheStreets your are going to love it!!!
Do you have the DMF still?
@@stuffthatgoesfast2259 yes i do but it a lighten dmf which i hate cause of the dam rattling noise is embarrassing.
I have the euro spec s50b32 motor 321hp with the og 6sp transmission. Came in the car when i bought it 12 year ago. Still running strong.
To heavy, no need for a 6 speed. Euro track guys are swapping out 6speed for 5speed
Definitely have their strengths for different purposes I guess. For the purposes I explained the 6 speed is what is best for me although I've really enjoyed the 5.
Kr Dz also the getrag is not built for abuse like the ZF be careful with those burnouts Gavin
Australian BM track guys are all going 6speed so that they can have higher top speed with the diff ratios they are useing
wikedskaterdude lol. 6th gear has the exact same ratios as 5th gear, it just has overdrive...
Junkerbunker yeah so with an extra gear you can run higher diff gears and go to the next gear aswell (in a 6speed)
youre only 92 subs away from 20k!
More bimmer vids man !
Can I buy you 5 speed transmission please
I have two M3 5-speeds, there dirty from sitting. But should be good as far as I know.
I won't have mine out for a bit. Once it is out I'll let everyone know, but it will probably go to someone local because I don't really want to ship but we'll see.
I’m in the bay area, where abouts are you? I’m very interested
Utah
I'm in Austin, Texas area
Is he talking about a 2jz swap? 😉
Nothing but a BMW engine will ever be under this hood 😂.
Treats On The Streets OHHH more hints so the German 2jz aka n54 🧐
Stop ✋ talk and fixed your car 🤓