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@@jsssportscardcollectibles3626 Chris here - yeah, there’s almost no argument against it now. But if everybody stops ripping, how will singles hit the market??
Chris here - don't get ahead of yourself just yet. Not every breaker is a bad person. Some are honest, reputable collectors just like us. Unfortunately, it only takes a few rotten ones to spoil everything, right?
T-Pot deserves a TH-cam Emmy for his reporting..... IF wax is dead T-Pot's boss stands to lose a ton of customers. CT scans make the most sense in explaining the ludicrous calls for freaky pulls. While Breakout is keeping the good stuff they are selling all the crap they know is barren of any good hits... double whammy. It's on par with playing Texas Hold'em with a cold deck... designed to lose.
SCR has been telling collectors about this kind of junk. As well as the general lack of integrity shown by numerous “hobby influencers” for a good minute now.
What needs to happen is the people in the hobby have to have some gd integrity and not be a complete douche and not use the scan service…obv people will still use it but the less that do the better everyone will be and if someone, particularly a seller or store owner, is found out to be using the service they should lose their access to buying from Topps, panini and the rest…but this would depend on everyone in the hobby to be vigilant and call the offenders out and try to preserve this.
Geoff definitely made as if you were insane to believe something "nefarious" was going on, but you were absolutely right T-Pott. It's because Geoff is a mouthpiece for the industry, and he will always choose his business over truth. You are THE reason I still follow SCI. Please, branch off and do your own thing.
Geoff would be crazy to let T-Pott go. I suspect there are many folks who continue to consume SCI content because of T-Pott. He gives the brand a whiff of integrity and authenticity. Not saying Geoff has none of either but T-Pott has lots.
@@1stBowman Why are people affraid to speak out? It's not a lie it's not an opinion. Geoff is a goof and has shown he knows very little about cards, and you can tell by his videos those are acripted just the way he talks proves that. My opinion is that he went in a bad direction with his opportunity in the hobby, but that is his right and choice just like it is mine to speak out on what I think. I am not a fan of a walking commercial like him. It's not authentic and genuine. Lotta people today will do whatever is needed for some clicky clicks.
@@TheCardDeal Believe me when I say I'm not a fan of SCI. I've softened on him in recent times but his conduct in the early years of the SCI channel was scandalous imo. Little to no hobby knowledge, cherry picking data to paint the most favourable picture, and perhaps worst of all continually banging on about card investing which is essentially a bad idea. Not to mention Metazoo, Dibs, the NFT's, the leg up he gave the real estate creep with regards to vintage soccer. It's a lengthy 'rap sheet'. However, he seems to have acquired a fair amount of knowledge in the last few years and toned down the bs. And while he's not my cup of tea and never will be, like most people he has some redeeming features and I think his contribution to the hobby is more positive than negative these days. I would not have said that a few years ago. It was mostly bad to anyone who could see through the hype. He's a polarising figure for sure. I'd take him over Garry Vee any day of the week, though. Vee makes me physically ill.
That was a joke and a slap to collectors with a functioning brain. The more I see Michael Rubin the more I'm convinced that he needs an exorcism. He looks totally demonic. I've thought this for a while.
That was an absolute joke and if you were wondering what kind of fellow Michael Rubin was prior to that he gave you his reply. Actions speak louder than words kind of thing. That was a pre-determined 'stunt' imo and in most spheres of business would've been embarrassing and perhaps brand tarnishing. But not in the sports card world. Just a few disgruntled comments on social media and the circus rolled on.
This is the best episode yet! I dig how passionate Ty is on this one. He is so right! I'm with you guys, not gonna buy any wax... not at these prices and not with CT scanning possible.
Ya I hope he’s getting paid well. I don’t think you could pay me enough to have to kiss ass and agree with insanity like Desmond Ritter or Gary Vee animal cards are a great investment.
With card makers needing the gambling aspects of the hobby to keep prices up, this is a major problem for them. Can the card makers adjust is the big question. Fanatics money woes at this point partnered with this could honestly bankrupt them.
@@Bryan45552 Chris here - if people just stop buying huger end products like dynasty, that’s a huge problem for fanatics. Will they have time to do something to protect Bowman Chrome? Probably not.
Chris here - as this story spreads, people will surely leave the hobby. Packs and boxes are the entry point and now they're corrupted. Its so frustrating,
I got into this hobby at the wrong time. I wish I could get all my money back for all the shady breaks Ive entered and all the hobby boxes I’ve bought. What a joke. This whole hobby is filled with incels.
Chris here - with soaring box prices, Singles have long been the play. But I'm concerned how many singles will actually surface if most collectors don't trust the boxes. Ripple effects will be a factor.
Quick thought to add. This hobby can be very fragile and if breakers and companies who help keep wax alive take a big hit for a long enough period…. We could see some serious correction to the overall hobby. For people who are mainly collectors, most of us would prefer if wax took a huge drop so we could actually rip stuff again. Obviously that’ll make singles go down too
Chris here - I think youre right. When stuff like this happens and scumbags get busted and scams are revealed its bad across the whole hobby. People will leave and stop collecting. We all get hurt.
@@SpitballinCards Thanks for the “I think you’re right”, haven’t heard that in my house in some time. So giddy I may just go buy a box of chrome! We all love to see scumbags get busted but yes, unfortunately everyone will suffer
Loved the honesty from all 4 of you in this video. Great to have some ambassadors for the hobby that actually care and want things to stay fair. It's a real shame this is even a thing, but now we have an even bigger reason to stick to singles!
Great video as always fellas. I totally agree with Ty and his frustration over this issue. I learned a long time ago that a lot of breakers do a lot of shady things behind closed doors. Not all, but many. Always remember, if something can be done that it will be done. Has anyone else ever noticed that large breakers when at shows have some of the nicest high end showcases?? I understand that they buy back cards occasionally but C’mon. It has been right in front of us for at least a decade. I didn’t even mention the card swapping or straight up stealing that some have been caught doing. On a side note, I can’t wait till I pull my first 1/1 Lead plate out of Flawless…LOL!
Scottie is right. So much more valuable to report the facts rather than hype it up and bow to threats. It’s one of the problems when TH-camrs with no journalism background cosplay as journalists. (edited to correct a spelling typo)
And almost ALL rarely have a story that is newsworthy or original. But because TH-cam pays them/cuts a check...they now have to keep up on the news and spin stories to keep those payments roll in.
Here is one for you Teapot. BackYard breaks bought a ton of product. They had it scanned or scanned it themselves and were able to determine from the scans which ones had the huge hits. They did their breaks with these boxes and also hooked up friends with some of the teams that had the huge hits. The rest of the non-hitters, they had someone sell that product for them. It would make sense for them to open the big hitters because every follower would always believe they are going to hit and pay much higher prices to be in these breaks to hit a banger. Plus, everyone that knew about it or heard about it would advertise their channel for them.
This is absolutely disgusting. Maybe the future is buying packs, boxes directly from Panini and or Topps/Fanatics and not buying from “middlemen”. Breakers might have to think of a career change now. Collectors should not be buying into breaks.
Right - but its tough because so much product is "allocated" to distributors that collectors looking for single boxes dont have a lot of inventory available.
Tree at was actually the true criminals fault. Panini already releases 1 in 40 boxes that return more money than was spent. Now you add this and you can finally do what I’ve been doing since 2012…… BUY SINGLES
Did you'all catch Shine at the National pull the Kobe/Lebron Dual Auto /10 with inscriptions, .. 1000% that box was scanned and he new what was in there, Brought that box to National to be opened and share the moment.. As far as him saying the other box was tampered with, I feel like hes trying to difflect us in another direction. And that will be the future. Opening boxes at National that have the big hit in it. Its not illegal, Shine jus did it! It was Great! Lol
@@Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin Yes, when he was talking with Jeff and the other guy. T-Pot was so obviously right. I edited my original message so it was clear I wasn't talking about this video. I understand why a large business like that wouldn't want to throw around accusations, but there was no reason to dismiss T-pot's research and claim his reasoning was flawed because he started with a conclusion in mind. That's just not how logical fallacies or statistical analysis works. It was basically calling any scientific work that ever began with a hypothesis flawed.
There are dishonest people in every instance where money can be made. This problem doesn't affect me as there is no way I can afford it. Topps Chrome jumbo is no longer affordable for me. Don't think they will start scanning blasters.
I assumed this is been going on forever!! I was freezing hobby packs of Allen and Ginter ever since Rip cards (2018) introduced Metal and Stained Glass inside of them. By freezing them I could use a Flir Heat Scanner and see which packs got colder and stayed colder!! If there is a will there's a way !
I hate this but I love seeing TPott get worked up and when he said Angel Hernandez I knew it was going to be good. And agree with TPott, he is correct on the wax and the dirty people who are doing this.
I agree with Scottie B and T-Pott… I stopped buying hobby boxes a long time ago. A cheap retail box for fun yes. I will never buy boxes now. Also stacking the deck to increase the odds of statistically impossible hits time and time again. Makes me super suspicious. As for not revealing the information, could be a number of legal issues and conflicts of interest. Unfortunately the business of the hobby will have to be regulated. The industry has to crack down on this perhaps call the FBI. This just stinks because integrity is gone and now possible regulation. Horrible outcome
@@SpitballinCards can't trust anyone. My guess if no one can trust unopened older and high end wax, then those boxes will have to be opened and sold as singles. The temptation is too great not have your boxes CT scanned for mega hits that can bring life changing money. This is just horrible.
Gio said not many boxes went through this process. He’s just guessing and underestimating things. The industrial company is just one of the companies. Plus the machinery is out there and I bet there’s plenty of collectors/opportunist out there with access to this equipment. Who’s to say a huge retailer or wax holder didn’t contract one of these ppl to scan countless boxes in there inventory for days/weeks. Can’t downplay any scenario.
Yeah, exactly. just assume 90% of older or high end wax has been scanned. I mean, Goldin used a CT Scanner on iphones on their show, right?? Are just to believe they stopped there??
What do you know all the “premium” wax has lost its value right in time for Fanatics takes over. Now the only “good” premium will be the new stuff that they put out bought directly from them or one of their breakers. They take control of the breaking market without having to do a thing AND they devalue all the old wax opening up all that cash to buy their new stuff. I wonder how much of a coincidence this is…..
Even Breakers should be nervous. Not only am I pissed with this, as a holder of some wax....but my confidence in jumping in breaks is greatly diminished....even though the places I break with seem trustworthy. It's crazy. It's sad. Getting excited about new releases is basically dead now
@Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin I just keep picturing the video of that guy sitting on the floor in Target back in 2012 weighing Bowman Platinum packs trying to find Bryce Harper autos.
1st off there hasn't been a level playing field in the hobby for years. Hobby boxes having better product than retail has been around a long time, and now seeing retail demand dwindle is going to be a big problem for the hobby. 2nd the price for participating has gotten away from being a hobby to a rich persons hobby that most of us cannot participate in. I haven't bought boxes for years or packs, primarily I grab singles and affordable slabs at shows or eBay, that has been the state of the hobby for many of us...
Thank you Guys for talking about this, these Breakers should be Banned from selling Products anywhere, that's why I stopped buying into Breaks and just Buy Single cards,Buy what you like and can Afford.
The prices on cases of complete garbage are out of control. Eventually some of these people will stop burning money and figure out that they'd rather build a valuable/desirable collection. You can still get Mahomes RC on card autos for less than cases of 2023 sandwich company NFL garbage, even Brady on card mid-range, really nice autos are in that realm. The NFL market is complete nonsense. There is HUGE opportunity on quality cards. As for this scanning thing - I haven't bought sealed product in nearly a decade. Statistically, it's been a massive losing proposition for a LONG time, magnified exponentially in 2020.
Chris here - I'm right there with you. RIpping is a losing enterprise. It can be fun, but your collection will suffer as that money is wasted. But here;s my fear - if scanning stops people from ripping, will good singles even hit the market??
@@SpitballinCards I don't think it'll affect breaking new products all that much. I mean, there aren't a lot of private collectors ripping through $12k suitcases of Flawless, or whatever they run these days. The breakers can state that they get their supply directly from Topps/Fanatics/UD and people will still buy into breaks. Heck, it could HELP them.
For any collectable to maintain a big following... there has to be new product. Fanatics does not have to sell sealed products... but they have to sell new stuff. Sales of new product spurs on sales of vintage products and singles. Something has to change if the hobby is to continue and not stagnate to death. I can name lots of things that people used to collect and now are no longer made new.... that have plummeted in value and demand. I get also that some people collect for emotional reasons not investment. But when you spend so much money collecting what you like.... you hope to be able to get something back when you sell. The new multi $1,000 products are pretty silly in my opinion.... but they must fill a demand.
High end products make zero sense to me even before the scanning... If you're going to spend $1,000 or more on a box.... why not just buy the same value card you really want?
I’m no lawyer, but you can’t just say “I can’t be held responsible” if you’re committing a crime right? The lottery ticket metaphor makes the most sense to me. Seems extremely illegal, whether it’s a business or not.
@@KK-pm7ud Chris here - I'm wondering if there;s an argument for Fraud here. Especially if you sell the boxes knowing theres nothing in them. Or if the breakers know there's a huge 1/1 and they make a deal with a buyer to split the card??
@@SpitballinCards If a person sells a box of cards to someone else and they make no disclosures I cannot think of any issues. It's not like selling a home where there are required disclosures if there is something a seller knows about the home isn't disclosed to the buyer. Now if someone asks the seller if they know if the box was ever scanned by a CT scanner and the seller says that it wasn't never scanned to their knowledge and it can be proven they did in fact know, then I would think there could be a potential case for fraud.
Didn’t know who Ty was before this show was created but he’s one of my Favs on the show! Put this guy behind a podium immediately! Would also like to hear was Philmington is thinking after the interview lol
I remember watching a big time/high end collector doing breaks of F1 dynasty cases. Multiple $50k breaks. In those breaks there wasn’t much pulled of value. This person isn’t a “breaker” but is sitting on a ton of wax and has a collection of singles that is mind blowing. He’s all over the hobby. Hanging out and being friends with the biggest people in the hobby. There’s zero doubt in my mind especially now that he didn’t know the contents in these cases.
The CT scanning video was a perfectly timed dropped. It's no coincidence it was dropped right before Fanatics Fest in my opinion. I think Fanatics has a perfect opportunity right now to address how they are going to avoid this kind of shit going forward. The hobby NEEDS someone at the top to step up and talk about this. We don't care what Geoff, BYB, CC2, or anyone on that level has to say. They are all lap dogs.
Thanks T-pot, it just reminds me (referring to those guys pulling unrealistic rare $hit and literally calling cards right before they are pulled) makes me think (and yes i know its cliche) but age has taught me...."If it's too good to be true, 99.9% of the time, sadly, it's because is. Good show fellas.
After the national i complained about Ty take. Today i commend him n his fire and anger. This can’t continue. This is the fabric of modern cards to not know what’s inside. There have been lots of speculation over a couple of east coast suppliers and dead boxes. We need the FBI. Thanks guys.
Folks used to weight Garbage Pail Kids packs with digital scales inside Target back in 2011-12 when I started collecting them again. Pissed me off then, and it pisses me off now. This is bad. Card Makers need to try something like cheap Faraday mesh to block all of this shit. Or the CT Scanning company should be FORCED provide a registration / marking on the boxes that were scanned - like a tattoo of sorts that can't be hidden.
Look, if these guys were getting the 1 of 1’s for every player so to speak that would have to be through a connection at panini, CT scanners couldn’t get you the product hits again & again unless they bought 80-90% of the product & scanned it all, sold off the others (which clearly didn’t happen).. Also, even with the best technology on earth, you couldn’t call your shot on certain products, you might be able to narrow it down but this SCREAMS of having an inside man at Panini or the printer/manufacturer
I had to pick up the 'Gold Rush' Lenny Dykstra card from '95 Score that was mentioned a few episodes ago. It's not Angel Hernandes' "rookie" card, but it's his best image not close. Fun fact, Angel Hernandes was first featured by card manufacturer, 'The Star Company', who produced an umpire subset in their 1991 MLB baseball set.
Great episode gentlemen! IMO Topps needs to lead. They need to condemn this practice and develop a technology that prevents it.This needs to be done immediately @Topps!
Maybe the whole hobby can go to an epack model. Assuming the algorithm isn't fixed it would ensure the boxes and cases are distributed randomly. It would be a radical move and the death of hobby shops that can't survive on singles and TCG but it would make it clean. No more middle men no more breakers.
@@SpitballinCards Hopefully that would never happen but they may die a slow death anyway if they rely heavily on wax sales and most people have little trust in it. It probably won't happen so long as there is a steady stream of newbies who are blissfully unaware. However, I'm now a firm believer, sadly, that a lot of sealed wax can not be taken at face value. I also suspect that the corruption in the hobby ( scanning, searching, etc) might be at its heaviest at the distributors. Most people in the hobby don't even know who these companies are. Let alone the method in which they receive the wax and distribute it. They fly totally under the radar. My gut tells me that there has been a large scale racket going on for many years - but especially in the last few years. Transparency has to be implemented at all points in the chain, starting with the manufacturers.
Hopefully more information comes out. As T-Pott said, it was a bait and switch on Sports Card Madness’s end. How long does it take for this to impact the market? Last weekend a 2003 ultimate collection box sold for $13.8k on fanatics.
RIght? We're all waiting. There must've been threats and pressure. I mean if the Scanning company is willing to give out the names of people who are trying to cheat the hobby, the desire to use them probably disappears.
Yep, like Jeff said... I only learned about this from your last video about it. Scanning packs/boxes isn't a 'mainstream' thing. Yet. Let's try to fricken keep it that way or we will end up losing the hobby for good. I know I'm being hyperbolic and all, but still.
My biggest issue is the TH-cam/IG channel who did the interview. They have the info. They teased it and played on everyone’s emotions and curiosities for days. I don’t blame the CT company at this point. It’s actually a good thing there offering this service to the public. It’s been used for years for the”good old boy” network. Now everyone’s aware and can level the playing field.
Out of curiosity, why do you fall on the side of it being a good thing that everyone has access to being a scumbag to level the playing field? If this ability is taken away from everyone, nobody has the opportunity to be a scumbag, wouldn’t that also level the playing field and be the ethical side?
@@NorCalcardboard fair question. I absolutely hate this is being done. It sucks. Especially coming from someone like me who opens tons of boxes and also collects sealed wax. What I mean by even the playing field is that this has been going on for a long time. By select people. People “in the know” giving them a ridiculous advantage. Being totally scummy. Knowing this isn’t going away and there being no way to stop it. It will even the playing field for other ppl. Now the ppl that have been doing it will hopefully get crushed. I’m 95% certain some of the biggest wax ppl in the hobby, retailers/collectors have been doing this for there personal gain will now get crushed with all the high end Scanned wax there sitting on.
@@nunzi83 Thank you for the response. Nice to have an actual conversation lol. Yes, at the very least, I hope previous cheaters get crushed by the price of wax crashing. ✌🏻
All autos, numbered cards, patches should be redemption cards print on cardboard. Every hobby box has 3-4 cards that can’t be scanned. All hits should be on cardboard.
Couple of things. Im a qualified investigator with customs experience - metals will never be allowed in packaging for law enforcement purposes. 2nd in nz and australia i can take a case down to my vet and they will scan the whole thing for 100. Healthcare is free in nz and scanning technology is freely available unlike in the usa. Never ever buy TLA wax - in America or australasia - you can guarantee its been scanned because tla distributors have been busted selling cases and offering for a fee to provide the cases with certain case hits.. American collectors you have been warned.
Ct scanning has been happening since the 80s, it was primarily used for authentication but I’m pretty sure it’s been used beyond that. There’s a TH-cam video that talks about this, and how long it’s been happening.
Really appreciate you guys saying what isn’t being said … good on you! You gotta beat these people at their own game tho … I agree with the disruption comment but if you want to really get even … figure out a way to get the CT scan machine to scan a dud card as a big hit. There’s an old saying … don’t get mad, get even. Then from there , there needs to be a legitimate conversation and long term solution to level the playing field for the foreseeable future.
bit the bullet and watched a backyard break for about an hour or two. they have a huge banner saying “We have Loaded boxes!” and just kept bragging the whole time saying their boxes are where to go. It doesn’t look like they are keeping it secret and unfortunately a good few hundred people keep watching and buying. 🤷🏽♂️
The only way this could ever be good is if all scans are made public immediately. Then EVERYONE can just know the cards listed in the box. All pristine unopened. Other than that is this the sealed card-pocalypse 😓😓
Great episode folks. What I love the most is how passionate you are about the hobby. Question is, will Topps / Panini do anything about it? In the past both parties shone with ignorance. Only if/ when box sales decrease they will act. I give that a chance of 20-30%. More likely is that the secondary market dries out more because the informed buyer will now about scanning and only buy from the manufacturers directly. The idea to put sth in the box that prevents scanning, could just be an additional layer of metal or metallic bag (you do not want to use lead, though toxic). Pretty sure they will figure that out quickly, if they a willing to do so. Even as I dispise this practice, because you knowingling take advantage of the buyer of your box, it is just taking advantage of technology, as weighing of packs is as well. Where it becomes tricky is that the technology is not available to everyone and results of the scans are not disclosed.
For the statistics, the manufacturer could push all the big cards out first, then all the later stuff is just trash... They just have to produce the amount of cards to make the odds work. No rules about how they are released. Pulling lots of big cards early will encourage more sales.
There is an incentive for these big companies to have breakers pull these big hits because if i get it there's no real promotion because i don't film my openings. The problem with tracking boxes backwards is they all lead back to these large companies. The amount of pulls backyerd pulled is crazy or almost seems like these boxes were scanned BEFORE they received them. Also want there a video of ruubin or someone high up opening a new product with an athlete and then pulling literally one of the best hits in the entire product?.... All high end boxes i would stay away from. Also this new Olympic tripe auto with lebron etc how do we know this card will be fair to get. I don't trust anything😂
Dude said he was going to expose scammers but it ended up just being his own click bait scam. He either never had the evidence or he got paid off. Either way, piss on that guy.
The solution is very simple. Buy sealed wax from Fanatics/Topps or a Fanatics verified and trusted breaker on the Fanatics Live platform. Whether people like it or not that is where we are headed I'd venture to say in the next 5 yrs or less.
But how far back can you go?? Can you even fully trust the manufacturers? What's to stop them from scanning before sending to the distributers or preferred breakers?
Chris and T-Pot’s reaction to Scott’s “I’m in my sister’s bedroom in Idaho” comment was fantastic! Because it’s Idaho, it adds another layer to that comment:)
Curious about one thing. A breaker can scan all of their cases and know what’s coming, but it doesn’t make the big cards appear in the case. It doesn’t explain one breaker hitting all of the key cards. Your case contains what it contains. Are they trading in dud cases for fresh ones?
You're right. The ones with access to these scanners will sure decide what they want to break, what they want to sell and who they want to sell break spots to! Who knows how many cases they order and go through.
Distributors may also be scanning so the good stuff ends up at BYB or whoever they want the good stuff to go to.. There's a chain in this and may even include the manufacturers. I'm convinced it includes at some level a distributor - whoever they may be. There's so much money at stake, the rewards are huge and the chances of being caught are close to zero. How many people in the hobby would say no to a 100K here and there with almost zero risk?
I’m still opening product in fact I bought a bunch of those mystery boxes from Walmart the last couple days when I found out they had 2018 series 2 fat packs in them and on the 3rd box I opened I pulled the the Shohei SSP Hand on helmet I know my photo variation brothers will I’ve that 👍🏼😁
I think this is one of those "you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube" moments. Often technology advances in a way where there's just no going back to how things used to be. This is basically the card hobbies equivalent to the creation of nuclear weapons. You can complain about the ethics of it and put yourself at risk, or you can arm yourself and be safe 😂
Jeff here: I think this is exactly right. The big hobby companies are going to have to take a stand and try to figure the best way forward -- especially if people stop buying their high end wax...
? For the guys? What if the big whole sellers was scanning every box in there inventory? They could partner with breakers send them loaded boxes. The breakers have no idea so it has the appearance of real emotion. I’m new to baseball cards I love ripping packs. Now I have to second guess every purchase from every store. Giant rabbit hole. Any new info would be appreciated.
This is exactly my worry! How far back can you go?? Can you even fully trust the manufacturers? What's to stop them from scanning before sending to the distributers?
If the higher ups in Topps or Panini are in the Illuminati or attend the cloning center, then no, they can't be trusted. To the dude in the video who said he's a conspiracy theorist, good on you, but call yourself a truth finder instead, as it was the CIA who coined the term 'conspiracy theorist' for anyone who questioned the mainsteam narrative for the so-called JFK Assassination.
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To all the people who've been saying for years, 'Just Buy Singles', my bad. You were right.
@@jsssportscardcollectibles3626 Chris here - yeah, there’s almost no argument against it now.
But if everybody stops ripping, how will singles hit the market??
😂😂
Started buying singles a while ago…Box prices are a joke.
I think the scanner will be good for vintage and to catch people resealing projects with other cards in that box
@@grayharris672 Too bad that Pokemon case a couple years back wasn;t scanned!
I’m glad it won’t be the same , the hobby is better without breakers
Chris here - don't get ahead of yourself just yet. Not every breaker is a bad person. Some are honest, reputable collectors just like us.
Unfortunately, it only takes a few rotten ones to spoil everything, right?
Breaking has a place in the hobby for sure but not as it's currently set up. It's a farce.
TheCardBoardJungle is amazing.. dudes actually care about their customers
T-Pot deserves a TH-cam Emmy for his reporting..... IF wax is dead T-Pot's boss stands to lose a ton of customers. CT scans make the most sense in explaining the ludicrous calls for freaky pulls. While Breakout is keeping the good stuff they are selling all the crap they know is barren of any good hits... double whammy. It's on par with playing Texas Hold'em with a cold deck... designed to lose.
@@popsmoke99 😂😂
yes t-pot did great they all did glad they talked about it ...Yes geoff has a hugh sealed collection and hes not the only one.
@@alphaomega9563 Thanks for watching!
SCR has been telling collectors about this kind of junk. As well as the general lack of integrity shown by numerous “hobby influencers” for a good minute now.
What needs to happen is the people in the hobby have to have some gd integrity and not be a complete douche and not use the scan service…obv people will still use it but the less that do the better everyone will be and if someone, particularly a seller or store owner, is found out to be using the service they should lose their access to buying from Topps, panini and the rest…but this would depend on everyone in the hobby to be vigilant and call the offenders out and try to preserve this.
i love that T-Pott is taking his victory lap. sweet sweet vindacation
@@forpetesake20 Chris here - he deserves it!
@@forpetesake20 💪🏼
I mean how many players got PMG cards that were serialized it’s not gonna be a Jordan 100% if there’s a checklist of 15 or 10 it’s still a risk
Geoff definitely made as if you were insane to believe something "nefarious" was going on, but you were absolutely right T-Pott. It's because Geoff is a mouthpiece for the industry, and he will always choose his business over truth. You are THE reason I still follow SCI. Please, branch off and do your own thing.
People that listen to his crap needs an examination from a doctor.
Geoff can’t even spell his name right
Geoff would be crazy to let T-Pott go. I suspect there are many folks who continue to consume SCI content because of T-Pott. He gives the brand a whiff of integrity and authenticity. Not saying Geoff has none of either but T-Pott has lots.
@@1stBowman Why are people affraid to speak out? It's not a lie it's not an opinion. Geoff is a goof and has shown he knows very little about cards, and you can tell by his videos those are acripted just the way he talks proves that. My opinion is that he went in a bad direction with his opportunity in the hobby, but that is his right and choice just like it is mine to speak out on what I think. I am not a fan of a walking commercial like him. It's not authentic and genuine. Lotta people today will do whatever is needed for some clicky clicks.
@@TheCardDeal Believe me when I say I'm not a fan of SCI. I've softened on him in recent times but his conduct in the early years of the SCI channel was scandalous imo. Little to no hobby knowledge, cherry picking data to paint the most favourable picture, and perhaps worst of all continually banging on about card investing which is essentially a bad idea. Not to mention Metazoo, Dibs, the NFT's, the leg up he gave the real estate creep with regards to vintage soccer. It's a lengthy 'rap sheet'. However, he seems to have acquired a fair amount of knowledge in the last few years and toned down the bs. And while he's not my cup of tea and never will be, like most people he has some redeeming features and I think his contribution to the hobby is more positive than negative these days. I would not have said that a few years ago. It was mostly bad to anyone who could see through the hype. He's a polarising figure for sure. I'd take him over Garry Vee any day of the week, though. Vee makes me physically ill.
You guys are so fun to listen too, Ty's passion in this video was fun to watch!
@@DarinsCards Chris here - yeah he was fired up!!
This situation is terrible for the hobby
@@DarinsCards Jeff here: appreciate the support! 💪🏼
It was unprecedented. 🎉
@@BringingTheHeat-VBC We just had to let him cook! 🔥
@@Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin cook. T-Bag was boilin!😁
You ever wonder how passionate T-pot is about the hobby? Wonder no longer...my man just compared sealed wax scans to reaper drone assassinations 😂😂
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Tpott giving off mad serial killer vibes ever since this CT story came out 😂
Remember when that soccer player pulled a 1/1 Jackie Robinson auto in front of Michael Rubin…. This has been going on for awhile.
Yeah, hard to believe any of those big (timely!) hits were real.
Chris here - great call!! This has definitely been going on for awhile. I kind of feel dumb for not assuming something like this was in play.
That was a joke and a slap to collectors with a functioning brain. The more I see Michael Rubin the more I'm convinced that he needs an exorcism. He looks totally demonic. I've thought this for a while.
We’ve been had.
That was an absolute joke and if you were wondering what kind of fellow Michael Rubin was prior to that he gave you his reply. Actions speak louder than words kind of thing. That was a pre-determined 'stunt' imo and in most spheres of business would've been embarrassing and perhaps brand tarnishing. But not in the sports card world. Just a few disgruntled comments on social media and the circus rolled on.
This is the best episode yet! I dig how passionate Ty is on this one. He is so right! I'm with you guys, not gonna buy any wax... not at these prices and not with CT scanning possible.
Chris here - agreed! Maybe stadium club because why bother scanning it.
I’m glad I just started collecting and have quickly leaned to just buy what I want to collect and avoid breaking
Chris here - well done! You're ahead of the curve and learned that faster than most - including us!
This has to be the most passionate episode of Spitballin' yet. I love it.
Chris here - you might be right. Outside of my depression after Acuna's injury
@@rockiesinoctober Yeah I think so, man. Even Ty was fired up!
Ty's relationship with his boss must be uncomfortable at times. I hope to see him as his own boss in the not too distant future.
Ty is the best!
Ya I hope he’s getting paid well. I don’t think you could pay me enough to have to kiss ass and agree with insanity like Desmond Ritter or Gary Vee animal cards are a great investment.
T-Pott giving that soft spoken, mellow serial killer vibe in this vid
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Chris here - if any youtube account would recognize it, your username suggests you might!
The angel hernandez reference was spot on.... I loved it.
@@David-fv7zg yes! Ty nailed it
T-POTT ON FIRE 🔥
Absolutely love it...preach on Brother..
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@@briansteeler7146 he was on a roll! 💪🏼
@@briansteeler7146 he was FIRED UP!!
@@briansteeler7146 Yes! He was not holding back 💪🏼
More importantly this sh*t just takes the fun out of it!
Exactly! The MYSTERY is gone 🙁
Chris here - EXACTLY!
It sure does.
With card makers needing the gambling aspects of the hobby to keep prices up, this is a major problem for them. Can the card makers adjust is the big question. Fanatics money woes at this point partnered with this could honestly bankrupt them.
@@Bryan45552 Chris here - if people just stop buying huger end products like dynasty, that’s a huge problem for fanatics.
Will they have time to do something to protect Bowman Chrome? Probably not.
Just wanted to say thank you gentleman for speaking on this topic. I hope Topps and panini do something very soon before the hobby looses collectors
It has already lost collectors. Internally they are all scrambling to keep themselves solvent.
Chris here - as this story spreads, people will surely leave the hobby. Packs and boxes are the entry point and now they're corrupted. Its so frustrating,
I got into this hobby at the wrong time. I wish I could get all my money back for all the shady breaks Ive entered and all the hobby boxes I’ve bought. What a joke. This whole hobby is filled with incels.
There are some real POS in the hobby and they hurt it for the rest of us.
Forget boxes and breaks. Just buy the card you want!
Sorry, man. So frustrating!
Keep ripping!!!!!!! Get those singles for me so I don't have to buy packs.
Chris here - with soaring box prices, Singles have long been the play.
But I'm concerned how many singles will actually surface if most collectors don't trust the boxes.
Ripple effects will be a factor.
Appreciate the knowledge, facts, and passion fellas. Agree, there is ZERO positive impact from scanning wax. It sucks.
Quick thought to add. This hobby can be very fragile and if breakers and companies who help keep wax alive take a big hit for a long enough period…. We could see some serious correction to the overall hobby. For people who are mainly collectors, most of us would prefer if wax took a huge drop so we could actually rip stuff again. Obviously that’ll make singles go down too
Jeff here: excellent points, this could have some serious repercussions for the hobby as a whole, not just the wax market.
Chris here - I think youre right. When stuff like this happens and scumbags get busted and scams are revealed its bad across the whole hobby. People will leave and stop collecting. We all get hurt.
@@SpitballinCards Thanks for the “I think you’re right”, haven’t heard that in my house in some time. So giddy I may just go buy a box of chrome! We all love to see scumbags get busted but yes, unfortunately everyone will suffer
Loved the honesty from all 4 of you in this video. Great to have some ambassadors for the hobby that actually care and want things to stay fair. It's a real shame this is even a thing, but now we have an even bigger reason to stick to singles!
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Great video as always fellas. I totally agree with Ty and his frustration over this issue. I learned a long time ago that a lot of breakers do a lot of shady things behind closed doors. Not all, but many. Always remember, if something can be done that it will be done. Has anyone else ever noticed that large breakers when at shows have some of the nicest high end showcases?? I understand that they buy back cards occasionally but C’mon. It has been right in front of us for at least a decade. I didn’t even mention the card swapping or straight up stealing that some have been caught doing.
On a side note, I can’t wait till I pull my first 1/1 Lead plate out of Flawless…LOL!
Absolutely right on all counts. Pretty disappointing, but something the hobby is definitely going to have to deal with. Thanks for watching!
All I can say is Ty is 100% right on everything he said.
Chris here - AGREED
Scottie is right. So much more valuable to report the facts rather than hype it up and bow to threats.
It’s one of the problems when TH-camrs with no journalism background cosplay as journalists. (edited to correct a spelling typo)
Jeff here: disappointing for sure
@@Rockpile79 really a big let down
And almost ALL rarely have a story that is newsworthy or original. But because TH-cam pays them/cuts a check...they now have to keep up on the news and spin stories to keep those payments roll in.
Here is one for you Teapot. BackYard breaks bought a ton of product. They had it scanned or scanned it themselves and were able to determine from the scans which ones had the huge hits. They did their breaks with these boxes and also hooked up friends with some of the teams that had the huge hits. The rest of the non-hitters, they had someone sell that product for them. It would make sense for them to open the big hitters because every follower would always believe they are going to hit and pay much higher prices to be in these breaks to hit a banger. Plus, everyone that knew about it or heard about it would advertise their channel for them.
@@bigcryptocrazyal3433 in hindsight, it almost seems obvious.
Jeff here: makes sense to me, don't even need too big of a tin foil hat anymore.
This is absolutely disgusting. Maybe the future is buying packs, boxes directly from Panini and or Topps/Fanatics and not buying from “middlemen”. Breakers might have to think of a career change now. Collectors should not be buying into breaks.
As long as the manufacturers can be trusted to distribute equitably without scanning! 🤬
Right - but its tough because so much product is "allocated" to distributors that collectors looking for single boxes dont have a lot of inventory available.
now i know why i always get 98 percent crap from all the hobby boxes i opened at my card shop over the years
@@mitchellrainer6901 Chris here - odds are those boxes are full of crap anyway, but knowing this tech has been out there - who can we trust??
@SpitballinCards hey, Chris, you watch your mouth, lol. every bad box is a scanned box and topps is an angel
@@forpetesake20 😂😂
Try 99.99%
Tree at was actually the true criminals fault. Panini already releases 1 in 40 boxes that return more money than was spent. Now you add this and you can finally do what I’ve been doing since 2012…… BUY SINGLES
they are cheaters and should be banned from the hobby
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There’s also potential fraud here.
Did you'all catch Shine at the National pull the Kobe/Lebron Dual Auto /10 with inscriptions, .. 1000% that box was scanned and he new what was in there, Brought that box to National to be opened and share the moment.. As far as him saying the other box was tampered with, I feel like hes trying to difflect us in another direction. And that will be the future. Opening boxes at National that have the big hit in it. Its not illegal, Shine jus did it! It was Great! Lol
shine is complete fraud and scammer himself
Chris here - that's really interesting! Would be some massive misdirection. Like McGwire putting Andro in his locker!
@@SpitballinCards 💯🤣🤣🤣🤦♂️inscriptions and jersey numbered. 600k card. What a moment and the crowd goes wild 👏
T-pot was so obviously right in that SCI video. It was so frustrating to watch other people shutting him down. (edited to clarify which video)
Jeff here: in the SCI video he spoke of? Yeah sounds like the rest of his crew was giving him the business 😡
@@Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin Yes, when he was talking with Jeff and the other guy. T-Pot was so obviously right. I edited my original message so it was clear I wasn't talking about this video.
I understand why a large business like that wouldn't want to throw around accusations, but there was no reason to dismiss T-pot's research and claim his reasoning was flawed because he started with a conclusion in mind.
That's just not how logical fallacies or statistical analysis works. It was basically calling any scientific work that ever began with a hypothesis flawed.
There are dishonest people in every instance where money can be made. This problem doesn't affect me as there is no way I can afford it. Topps Chrome jumbo is no longer affordable for me. Don't think they will start scanning blasters.
Chris here - I’m priced out too! Especially when the best cards are probably cheaper than the boxes!
Didn't Whatnot make a promise they were going to pull the Lebron Triple Logoman? And they did... with Backyard.
How about that...
I assumed this is been going on forever!! I was freezing hobby packs of Allen and Ginter ever since Rip cards (2018) introduced Metal and Stained Glass inside of them. By freezing them I could use a Flir Heat Scanner and see which packs got colder and stayed colder!!
If there is a will there's a way !
Wow, that’s some next level ingenuity I have to say. Did it work??
@@Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin Yes! Worked Great!
Just open them all @@SpartacusCZ
There has been funky stuff going on….T-Pott is on point.
@@DriveForShow Chris here - he frequently os!
@@DriveForShow Jeff here: yes, Ty has a great knack for sniffing out bad actors and bad acts. And he didn’t hold back.
I hate this but I love seeing TPott get worked up and when he said Angel Hernandez I knew it was going to be good. And agree with TPott, he is correct on the wax and the dirty people who are doing this.
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Its terrible. Terrible for the hobby. Scammers always looking for ways to scam.
Jeff here: yeah he was rightfully heated!
I agree with Scottie B and T-Pott… I stopped buying hobby boxes a long time ago. A cheap retail box for fun yes. I will never buy boxes now. Also stacking the deck to increase the odds of statistically impossible hits time and time again. Makes me super suspicious. As for not revealing the information, could be a number of legal issues and conflicts of interest. Unfortunately the business of the hobby will have to be regulated. The industry has to crack down on this perhaps call the FBI. This just stinks because integrity is gone and now possible regulation. Horrible outcome
Absolutely, this needs to be stopped. But the damage is done and older wax boxes are near impossible to buy at this point. Who can we trust?!
@@SpitballinCards can't trust anyone. My guess if no one can trust unopened older and high end wax, then those boxes will have to be opened and sold as singles. The temptation is too great not have your boxes CT scanned for mega hits that can bring life changing money. This is just horrible.
haven't bought a box since they went up 800% that's probably the biggest problem
Maybe this will start the wax retail price decline??
Prices are absurd, especially if you think the sellers may already know there's nothing good inside
@@Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin never bought retail outside of a pack or 2 for my kid from time to time Retail has always been junk. Hobby is the way to go
Goldin scanned the iphones last year, damn right they looked at boxes too
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Chris here - I mean, why should we think anything else???
100%. This has been going on since at least 2016.
🤣🤣🤣 T-Pot went from scanning cards to homicide QUICK
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Gio said not many boxes went through this process. He’s just guessing and underestimating things. The industrial company is just one of the companies. Plus the machinery is out there and I bet there’s plenty of collectors/opportunist out there with access to this equipment. Who’s to say a huge retailer or wax holder didn’t contract one of these ppl to scan countless boxes in there inventory for days/weeks. Can’t downplay any scenario.
Exactly this!
Yeah, exactly. just assume 90% of older or high end wax has been scanned. I mean, Goldin used a CT Scanner on iphones on their show, right?? Are just to believe they stopped there??
What do you know all the “premium” wax has lost its value right in time for Fanatics takes over. Now the only “good” premium will be the new stuff that they put out bought directly from them or one of their breakers. They take control of the breaking market without having to do a thing AND they devalue all the old wax opening up all that cash to buy their new stuff. I wonder how much of a coincidence this is…..
Chris here - haha and down the rabbit hole we go!! Can it be a coincidence....
Even Breakers should be nervous. Not only am I pissed with this, as a holder of some wax....but my confidence in jumping in breaks is greatly diminished....even though the places I break with seem trustworthy. It's crazy. It's sad. Getting excited about new releases is basically dead now
Right. Even if your breaker is trustworthy, what about where THEY got the product from?
@Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin I just keep picturing the video of that guy sitting on the floor in Target back in 2012 weighing Bowman Platinum packs trying to find Bryce Harper autos.
You know, a few months ago - a lot of people "seemed trustworthy."
1st off there hasn't been a level playing field in the hobby for years. Hobby boxes having better product than retail has been around a long time, and now seeing retail demand dwindle is going to be a big problem for the hobby. 2nd the price for participating has gotten away from being a hobby to a rich persons hobby that most of us cannot participate in. I haven't bought boxes for years or packs, primarily I grab singles and affordable slabs at shows or eBay, that has been the state of the hobby for many of us...
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Thank you Guys for talking about this, these Breakers should be Banned from selling Products anywhere, that's why I stopped buying into Breaks and just Buy Single cards,Buy what you like and can Afford.
Thanks for watching. And singles seems to continue to be the best way...
But the cards you like!
The prices on cases of complete garbage are out of control. Eventually some of these people will stop burning money and figure out that they'd rather build a valuable/desirable collection. You can still get Mahomes RC on card autos for less than cases of 2023 sandwich company NFL garbage, even Brady on card mid-range, really nice autos are in that realm. The NFL market is complete nonsense. There is HUGE opportunity on quality cards. As for this scanning thing - I haven't bought sealed product in nearly a decade. Statistically, it's been a massive losing proposition for a LONG time, magnified exponentially in 2020.
Chris here - I'm right there with you. RIpping is a losing enterprise. It can be fun, but your collection will suffer as that money is wasted.
But here;s my fear - if scanning stops people from ripping, will good singles even hit the market??
@@SpitballinCards I don't think it'll affect breaking new products all that much. I mean, there aren't a lot of private collectors ripping through $12k suitcases of Flawless, or whatever they run these days. The breakers can state that they get their supply directly from Topps/Fanatics/UD and people will still buy into breaks. Heck, it could HELP them.
For any collectable to maintain a big following... there has to be new product. Fanatics does not have to sell sealed products... but they have to sell new stuff. Sales of new product spurs on sales of vintage products and singles. Something has to change if the hobby is to continue and not stagnate to death. I can name lots of things that people used to collect and now are no longer made new.... that have plummeted in value and demand. I get also that some people collect for emotional reasons not investment. But when you spend so much money collecting what you like.... you hope to be able to get something back when you sell. The new multi $1,000 products are pretty silly in my opinion.... but they must fill a demand.
Thanks for watching and commenting, a lot to chew on as we see the fallout from this.
Fanatics will have a hard time selling anything higher end if htey can't guarantee consumers the boxes are scan-proof. And that's bad hobby-wide!!
High end products make zero sense to me even before the scanning... If you're going to spend $1,000 or more on a box.... why not just buy the same value card you really want?
I’m no lawyer, but you can’t just say “I can’t be held responsible” if you’re committing a crime right? The lottery ticket metaphor makes the most sense to me. Seems extremely illegal, whether it’s a business or not.
Jeff here: no lawyer either, but it sure seems like there is some legal culpability.
What precise law was broken?
Yeah, you can't just wash your hands of it!! I mean come on!
@@KK-pm7ud Chris here - I'm wondering if there;s an argument for Fraud here. Especially if you sell the boxes knowing theres nothing in them. Or if the breakers know there's a huge 1/1 and they make a deal with a buyer to split the card??
@@SpitballinCards If a person sells a box of cards to someone else and they make no disclosures I cannot think of any issues. It's not like selling a home where there are required disclosures if there is something a seller knows about the home isn't disclosed to the buyer. Now if someone asks the seller if they know if the box was ever scanned by a CT scanner and the seller says that it wasn't never scanned to their knowledge and it can be proven they did in fact know, then I would think there could be a potential case for fraud.
Didn’t know who Ty was before this show was created but he’s one of my Favs on the show! Put this guy behind a podium immediately! Would also like to hear was Philmington is thinking after the interview lol
Jeff here: Ty is a treasure! And a good guy! 💪
Wouldn’t be surprised if the big time card shops purchase these CT Scanners.
Frankly seems like a no-brainer, right? All that high-end wax sitting there...
Nope, not at all!
@@Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin especially like Dave and Adams, could possibly have a secret hidden room with one in it 🤷🏻♂️
I remember watching a big time/high end collector doing breaks of F1 dynasty cases. Multiple $50k breaks. In those breaks there wasn’t much pulled of value. This person isn’t a “breaker” but is sitting on a ton of wax and has a collection of singles that is mind blowing. He’s all over the hobby. Hanging out and being friends with the biggest people in the hobby. There’s zero doubt in my mind especially now that he didn’t know the contents in these cases.
There’s only one solution… make cards worthless again.
Between this and the endless stream of junk parallels and junk autos, we are on the way!
That's the whole point. "They" don't want nobody making money but "them". 😉
The CT scanning video was a perfectly timed dropped. It's no coincidence it was dropped right before Fanatics Fest in my opinion. I think Fanatics has a perfect opportunity right now to address how they are going to avoid this kind of shit going forward. The hobby NEEDS someone at the top to step up and talk about this. We don't care what Geoff, BYB, CC2, or anyone on that level has to say. They are all lap dogs.
Great point - really hope they step up and address it next weekend.
thank you for this. It is a huge issue! I agree with the takes in this, especially T-Pott’s and Scott’s.
Thanks for watching!
CT Scanning danger > Card Trimming paranoia
Saw that episode T-Pot was on ... stood his ground, atta babes!
We are very proud of T-Pott’s investigative reporting skills! 💪🏼
Thanks T-pot, it just reminds me (referring to those guys pulling unrealistic rare $hit and literally calling cards right before they are pulled) makes me think (and yes i know its cliche) but age has taught me...."If it's too good to be true, 99.9% of the time, sadly, it's because is.
Good show fellas.
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After the national i complained about Ty take. Today i commend him n his fire and anger. This can’t continue. This is the fabric of modern cards to not know what’s inside. There have been lots of speculation over a couple of east coast suppliers and dead boxes. We need the FBI. Thanks guys.
Chris here - yeah Ty was on it tonight! This crap basically breaks the hobby
Jeff here: Thanks for commenting. Yeah, it just ruins the whole idea, doesn't it?
They could even use this technology to scan scratch-off lottery tickets.
Too hard to do that you would have to get your hands on the tickets then get the shop to scan them for you
Folks used to weight Garbage Pail Kids packs with digital scales inside Target back in 2011-12 when I started collecting them again. Pissed me off then, and it pisses me off now. This is bad. Card Makers need to try something like cheap Faraday mesh to block all of this shit. Or the CT Scanning company should be FORCED provide a registration / marking on the boxes that were scanned - like a tattoo of sorts that can't be hidden.
Chris here - Yeah its all just different steps in the same fraudulent direction! Just so frustrating. We need Topps to step up ASAP
Look, if these guys were getting the 1 of 1’s for every player so to speak that would have to be through a connection at panini, CT scanners couldn’t get you the product hits again & again unless they bought 80-90% of the product & scanned it all, sold off the others (which clearly didn’t happen).. Also, even with the best technology on earth, you couldn’t call your shot on certain products, you might be able to narrow it down but this SCREAMS of having an inside man at Panini or the printer/manufacturer
I agree. The scanning is bad news for the hobby, but I don’t see it as a smoking gun that explains how certain breakers keep getting product hits.
Correct. They have to get the boxes first.
Man, if tpot leaves SCI, we know it’s because he keeps bringing this thing with byb and the segment on sci. 😂😂😂
Ha! I shouldn't laugh, but you're probably right.
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I will never buy another box again. Only singles.
Hard to argue with this strategy.
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I had to pick up the 'Gold Rush' Lenny Dykstra card from '95 Score that was mentioned a few episodes ago. It's not Angel Hernandes' "rookie" card, but it's his best image not close. Fun fact, Angel Hernandes was first featured by card manufacturer, 'The Star Company', who produced an umpire subset in their 1991 MLB baseball set.
Nice pickup! 💪🏼
Haha - Chris here, I love that card! Great grab! It's some baseball history
Great episode gentlemen! IMO Topps needs to lead. They need to condemn this practice and develop a technology that prevents it.This needs to be done immediately @Topps!
Thank you! Agreed, Topps needs to get out in front of this, even if it seems too late.
💯 Absolutely we need to hear from topps quickly with some kind of solution for new higher end products
Maybe the whole hobby can go to an epack model. Assuming the algorithm isn't fixed it would ensure the boxes and cases are distributed randomly. It would be a radical move and the death of hobby shops that can't survive on singles and TCG but it would make it clean. No more middle men no more breakers.
I’d hate to lose the shops!
@@SpitballinCards Hopefully that would never happen but they may die a slow death anyway if they rely heavily on wax sales and most people have little trust in it. It probably won't happen so long as there is a steady stream of newbies who are blissfully unaware. However, I'm now a firm believer, sadly, that a lot of sealed wax can not be taken at face value. I also suspect that the corruption in the hobby ( scanning, searching, etc) might be at its heaviest at the distributors. Most people in the hobby don't even know who these companies are. Let alone the method in which they receive the wax and distribute it. They fly totally under the radar. My gut tells me that there has been a large scale racket going on for many years - but especially in the last few years. Transparency has to be implemented at all points in the chain, starting with the manufacturers.
This is the biggest issue to date for the hobby, stay on this topic
Agreed - hoping to hear something from Topps
@@MikelTulp thanks for watching, we’ll keep on it!
Hopefully more information comes out. As T-Pott said, it was a bait and switch on Sports Card Madness’s end. How long does it take for this to impact the market? Last weekend a 2003 ultimate collection box sold for $13.8k on fanatics.
Yeah very disappointing that the promised details were missing.
RIght? We're all waiting. There must've been threats and pressure. I mean if the Scanning company is willing to give out the names of people who are trying to cheat the hobby, the desire to use them probably disappears.
Yep, like Jeff said... I only learned about this from your last video about it. Scanning packs/boxes isn't a 'mainstream' thing. Yet. Let's try to fricken keep it that way or we will end up losing the hobby for good. I know I'm being hyperbolic and all, but still.
Thanks for watching and commenting. And I get it, it's hard not to be all doom and gloom in this situation!
We've got to spread the word around about this. Everybody who's thinking of buying a high end box needs to know whats going on.
My biggest issue is the TH-cam/IG channel who did the interview. They have the info. They teased it and played on everyone’s emotions and curiosities for days. I don’t blame the CT company at this point. It’s actually a good thing there offering this service to the public. It’s been used for years for the”good old boy” network. Now everyone’s aware and can level the playing field.
Out of curiosity, why do you fall on the side of it being a good thing that everyone has access to being a scumbag to level the playing field? If this ability is taken away from everyone, nobody has the opportunity to be a scumbag, wouldn’t that also level the playing field and be the ethical side?
@@NorCalcardboard fair question. I absolutely hate this is being done. It sucks. Especially coming from someone like me who opens tons of boxes and also collects sealed wax. What I mean by even the playing field is that this has been going on for a long time. By select people. People “in the know” giving them a ridiculous advantage. Being totally scummy. Knowing this isn’t going away and there being no way to stop it. It will even the playing field for other ppl. Now the ppl that have been doing it will hopefully get crushed. I’m 95% certain some of the biggest wax ppl in the hobby, retailers/collectors have been doing this for there personal gain will now get crushed with all the high end Scanned wax there sitting on.
@@nunzi83 Thank you for the response. Nice to have an actual conversation lol. Yes, at the very least, I hope previous cheaters get crushed by the price of wax crashing. ✌🏻
@@NorCalcardboard Jeff here: thanks for the thoughtful discussion, guys. Some really good points. We’ll see what happens in the wake of this news.
@@NorCalcardboard yes same here I always appreciate good and productive convo. Talking and explaining people’s views are so important.
All autos, numbered cards, patches should be redemption cards print on cardboard. Every hobby box has 3-4 cards that can’t be scanned. All hits should be on cardboard.
Man it would be sad to lose the fun of seeing the autos/hits come out of a pack, but it may be necessary 😢
OOF! More redemptions?! People would be furious, but this might be the only way
That room Scott is in looks like it could be in the next Annabelle movie.
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Even if you sold a box as "scanned no hit", that person would just sell it as not scanned for profit. It would be irresponsible.
Sadly, you are right
Jeff here : yep, you’re right. If you scan it, ethically you’d have to then rip it. So why bother scanning? 🤷🏻♂️
Couple of things.
Im a qualified investigator with customs experience - metals will never be allowed in packaging for law enforcement purposes.
2nd in nz and australia i can take a case down to my vet and they will scan the whole thing for 100.
Healthcare is free in nz and scanning technology is freely available unlike in the usa.
Never ever buy TLA wax - in America or australasia - you can guarantee its been scanned because tla distributors have been busted selling cases and offering for a fee to provide the cases with certain case hits..
American collectors you have been warned.
Wow, that's incredibly disconcerting. Thanks for the info!
yeah, none of this is good news at all. but thank you for sharing it!
Angry T-Pot is fun
Jeff here: we just had to let him cook 🔥
I would imagine T-Pott is going to explode at some point. There's probably so much he has to hold in by working for the PPP Master.
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Ct scanning has been happening since the 80s, it was primarily used for authentication but I’m pretty sure it’s been used beyond that. There’s a TH-cam video that talks about this, and how long it’s been happening.
That’s scary to consider, and now that the technology is getting better and better, almost no packs/boxes are immune.
Chris here - we know were only scratching the surface here.
Just interesting on much change this will cause immediately in the hobby in all cards
Yes, we’ll see how quickly it trickles through the hobby.
Yes, very interesting to see how long this info takes to trickle through the hobby.
T Pott I was annoyed too. Was def bait and switch. I’ve debated unsubscribing from him. I HATE when YTers do this.
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Funny we are now just catching on to people using 1970s technology to ruin the hobby. Wonder how long it has been really going on for.
I’m scared to wonder too hard
T-Pott= integrity.
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Really appreciate you guys saying what isn’t being said … good on you! You gotta beat these people at their own game tho … I agree with the disruption comment but if you want to really get even … figure out a way to get the CT scan machine to scan a dud card as a big hit. There’s an old saying … don’t get mad, get even. Then from there , there needs to be a legitimate conversation and long term solution to level the playing field for the foreseeable future.
bit the bullet and watched a backyard break for about an hour or two. they have a huge banner saying “We have Loaded boxes!” and just kept bragging the whole time saying their boxes are where to go.
It doesn’t look like they are keeping it secret and unfortunately a good few hundred people keep watching and buying. 🤷🏽♂️
The best denials are just putting it right in our faces right?? Laughing all the way to the bank
Watching them for 1 sec makes my stomach hurt.
This is how rebellion starts. Darth Scan has been discovered.
Chris here - yeah topps has to do something in response. We'll have to wait and see.
The only way this could ever be good is if all scans are made public immediately. Then EVERYONE can just know the cards listed in the box. All pristine unopened. Other than that is this the sealed card-pocalypse 😓😓
Sealed Card-pocalypse it is!
T-Pott's face when Scott said he was in his sister's bedroom.
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Passionate episode from y’all
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for watching! Hard not to get fired up about scumbags damaging our hobby
Great episode folks. What I love the most is how passionate you are about the hobby. Question is, will Topps / Panini do anything about it? In the past both parties shone with ignorance. Only if/ when box sales decrease they will act. I give that a chance of 20-30%. More likely is that the secondary market dries out more because the informed buyer will now about scanning and only buy from the manufacturers directly. The idea to put sth in the box that prevents scanning, could just be an additional layer of metal or metallic bag (you do not want to use lead, though toxic). Pretty sure they will figure that out quickly, if they a willing to do so. Even as I dispise this practice, because you knowingling take advantage of the buyer of your box, it is just taking advantage of technology, as weighing of packs is as well. Where it becomes tricky is that the technology is not available to everyone and results of the scans are not disclosed.
Appreciate the comments and the perspective. Yeah, it will be interesting to see who gets out in front of this.
For the statistics, the manufacturer could push all the big cards out first, then all the later stuff is just trash... They just have to produce the amount of cards to make the odds work. No rules about how they are released. Pulling lots of big cards early will encourage more sales.
I watched a streamer crack 3 cases, 144 packs, of Topps Finest and pulled 2 'Let's Go' cards... which are 1:680 packs each. 🤔
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There is an incentive for these big companies to have breakers pull these big hits because if i get it there's no real promotion because i don't film my openings.
The problem with tracking boxes backwards is they all lead back to these large companies. The amount of pulls backyerd pulled is crazy or almost seems like these boxes were scanned BEFORE they received them.
Also want there a video of ruubin or someone high up opening a new product with an athlete and then pulling literally one of the best hits in the entire product?....
All high end boxes i would stay away from. Also this new Olympic tripe auto with lebron etc how do we know this card will be fair to get. I don't trust anything😂
Exactly - this makes us all trust NOTHING!!
Dude said he was going to expose scammers but it ended up just being his own click bait scam. He either never had the evidence or he got paid off. Either way, piss on that guy.
Yeah incredibly disappointing given the buildup 🤦🏻♂️
Someone mentioned backyard breaks in the comments. The TH-camr gave the eyeballs emoji
And “liked” another comment referring to them…
The solution is very simple. Buy sealed wax from Fanatics/Topps or a Fanatics verified and trusted breaker on the Fanatics Live platform. Whether people like it or not that is where we are headed I'd venture to say in the next 5 yrs or less.
But how far back can you go?? Can you even fully trust the manufacturers? What's to stop them from scanning before sending to the distributers or preferred breakers?
That;s where I'd start as well but @Blabbin' makes a good point. We don't know who we can trust.
Chris needs to be modeling on a digital billboard in Time square. Not on the bottom right square of spitballin cards.
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Chris here - I'll try!! hahaha
Spent so much money with DA Card World in the last few years. 95% of the boxes were 🗑️
DA is a big ct scanner
Chris here - while I'd guess 95% of boxes are garbage, it makes you wonder and be suspicious! Maybe the big bounties were an brilliant distraction!
@@alphaomega9563 I’m a smaller breaker and I’ve always had nice boxes from DA that’s just my experience
Chris and T-Pot’s reaction to Scott’s “I’m in my sister’s bedroom in Idaho” comment was fantastic! Because it’s Idaho, it adds another layer to that comment:)
@@TheCollectiveAuthority 😂😂😂
Curious about one thing. A breaker can scan all of their cases and know what’s coming, but it doesn’t make the big cards appear in the case. It doesn’t explain one breaker hitting all of the key cards. Your case contains what it contains. Are they trading in dud cases for fresh ones?
Good point
Breakers sell boxes, I mean junk searched boxes, lol.
@@hamerboy417 Fanatics made that tougher by putting rules on B2B transactions but they could still be sold to customers in their shop
You're right. The ones with access to these scanners will sure decide what they want to break, what they want to sell and who they want to sell break spots to! Who knows how many cases they order and go through.
Distributors may also be scanning so the good stuff ends up at BYB or whoever they want the good stuff to go to.. There's a chain in this and may even include the manufacturers. I'm convinced it includes at some level a distributor - whoever they may be. There's so much money at stake, the rewards are huge and the chances of being caught are close to zero. How many people in the hobby would say no to a 100K here and there with almost zero risk?
I’m still opening product in fact I bought a bunch of those mystery boxes from Walmart the last couple days when I found out they had 2018 series 2 fat packs in them and on the 3rd box I opened I pulled the the Shohei SSP Hand on helmet I know my photo variation brothers will I’ve that 👍🏼😁
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I think this is one of those "you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube" moments. Often technology advances in a way where there's just no going back to how things used to be. This is basically the card hobbies equivalent to the creation of nuclear weapons. You can complain about the ethics of it and put yourself at risk, or you can arm yourself and be safe 😂
Jeff here: I think this is exactly right. The big hobby companies are going to have to take a stand and try to figure the best way forward -- especially if people stop buying their high end wax...
Chris here - I agree! The toothpaste isnt going back in the tube. We have to assume its even more widespread than we think.
? For the guys?
What if the big whole sellers was scanning every box in there inventory?
They could partner with breakers send them loaded boxes.
The breakers have no idea so it has the appearance of real emotion. I’m new to baseball cards I love ripping packs. Now I have to second guess every purchase from every store. Giant rabbit hole. Any new info would be appreciated.
This is exactly my worry! How far back can you go?? Can you even fully trust the manufacturers? What's to stop them from scanning before sending to the distributers?
EXACTLY! Then the breakers sell the spots in the breaks with the biggest hits to someone who will sell the card and split the money. Easy!
If the higher ups in Topps or Panini are in the Illuminati or attend the cloning center, then no, they can't be trusted. To the dude in the video who said he's a conspiracy theorist, good on you, but call yourself a truth finder instead, as it was the CIA who coined the term 'conspiracy theorist' for anyone who questioned the mainsteam narrative for the so-called JFK Assassination.