Now that we are entering Holy Week, the last week of Lent, let us remember that Lent is about spiritual renewal. I encourage you all to look at your life and find ways in which you can forgive others, especially those who are the most difficult to forgive. This doesn’t mean let yourself be taken advantage of by others or mistreated by them. It means giving them a chance to change and become better, and as for yourself, simply make different decisions in dealing with them in the future. God bless you all.
The Catholic Church took the format of Lent from the 40 days in which Jesus was led into the desert to be tempted by Satan. It was a time of spiritual trial and effort. Within the Church, it was placed in the context of the time leading up to Jesus' passion, death and then triumphant resurrection. In this way, we spend 40 days preparing to commemorate the suffering and death of Jesus. In doing so, we strive to grow spiritually and become better people, and at the same time, by sacrificing and giving things up, we feel weakened as He did when He was in the desert for 40 days without eating. In the end, when we break our fast or sacrifice, we feel rejuvenated in some ways, and in that way, experience more deeply the resurrection, when Jesus came back to life. Thus, the whole effort is to enter more deeply into the life of Christ and grow personally in self-mastery through it all.
Thankyou so much for all this advice, I've been watching all your videos, as I'm new to archery here. You are the best person to give advice. Alot of other people out there are pretty full on tools. You're a gentleman and a teacher. I have will sub you right now. And ask questions soon. Thanks again mate.
Awesome review my friend. As always ery informative and always awesome. Thank you for the time and the data brother. I have been interested in a bowtech.. good stuff.. keep making good videos.. god bless brother.. Dennis in saskatchewan
Yes, it took a full day to record (I left out all the frames of me actually shooting just to keep this video from being any longer), and then a few hours to edit it all down. So it essentially took me two days to make this video, lol. Two days doesn't sound like much but when you have all the pressures I do right now, it wasn't easy to neglect my Master's Degree writing assignments for two full days. But, I essentially wanted to get this video done and off of my plate because it has been on my list of videos I wanted to get done for a bout 6 months now, lol. Now back to the school work! Lol!
If anyone has an old torture stretching device that they no longer need, please let me know so that I could stretch my arms from 28 inches to 30 inches. Thanks.
The only reason I enjoy being 6'7. Almost everything else sucks. I swear if one more person asks if I play basketball or if I can grab something high up I will strangle them.
Thank you for the information. Once again a great source of data and I am glad Bowtech took care of you. Through my unscientific testing that the draw length (without tweaking) is proportional to the draw length.I shoot a Bowtech at a 27 inch draw length. At about 84 percent of the listed max draw length my arrows should be an estimated 282, which is surprisingly matches your data for the 27 inch draw length.
Would be interested to see this done with a trad bow. Obviously the pounds go up as the draw length increases. But the difference in speed between 26 and 32 inches due to both pounds increasing and power stroke increasing would be interesting.
@@seansoutdoors I understand that, only way I could think of would be to place measurements on your arrow, and get someone to tell you when you where holding at the correct position. Anyway thanks for the video found it interesting. Power stroke of an arrow is an interesting topic that is not discussed enough.
@@seansoutdoorsThanks for the reply Sean. From what I have read 10 pounds of bow weight is around 15-20 fps differents. And for every inches of draw is around 10 fps. So a 50 pound bow should be around 45 pounds at 26 inches and 55 pounds at 30 inches. So in theory a 50 pound bow would vary between 40-60 fps a second. Which is a massive difference. To add to this I think the limb length is going to also make a huge difference. The difference between a 60 inch bow and a 68 inch bow. As a 68 inch bow stores more energy that might not get used in a short power stroke.
Great video. I found that by using different releases can increase your draw length. For example the Carter releases can increase your draw length by half inch by having the law really close to your palm.
What was the variation in arrow weight, or did you use one arrow for the test? Shame you didn't go down to my 23.5 inch DL. At 63.5 pounds draw I get right at 188 to 193 FPS.l, depending on the arrow (458 grain + - 10 grains) using an older Diamond Diamond Edge bow by BowTech. I havent tested my new bow, as I havent been able to get to the Pro Shop and their chronograph.
Hi Sean, I am made to understand that the poundage is consistent at 65#(&65.3#) at all different draw lengths, i.e. example, the bow is 65# at both 30” and 27” draw length, is this correct?
It depends on the bow. Typically entry level bows are designed for kids so the draw weight usually decreases as you go down in draw length. So, a bow that is set at 70 pounds at 30 inch draw may only max out at a 65 pounds draw weight at 27 inch draw. However, most of your flagship bows that cost 1,000 or more will maintain draw weight even when you decrease draw length
If this was a comparison of which bow was faster that would have been a detail to take into consideration. However, it was simply an analysis on what the change in draw length will do to the speed of the arrow. In that sense, the brace height becomes a static component to what is being tested, but thanks for the input.
Sean's Outdoor Adventures. Yes true, but when looking at effort applied vs. Energy out - it would seem that the PSE is overall slower but perhaps it's due to 1/2" less in starting position? This gives BT an advantage to overall speed but ends up in a near dead level comparison (12.7fps/inch linear ) due to overall draw length loss. The other factor is, as you start to bite off the back of the squarer portion of the curve you start to capture more of the initial draw making for an overall drop in the net energy available. Each bow will have different shaped envelopes so saying that there is a "fixed" loss due to draw is not always possible. In short, Great stuff! Thanks for taking the time to do the tests and share your results. It was super interesting.
Hi. Please help me: I have this question, if you buy a block bow, Hoyt Helix Ultra ZT, it has a speed of 334fps, this is for 30 " stretching?? If you set the maximum stretch on it to 32", the speed will be higher with the same weight of the arrow, do I understand correctly??? Thank you for your answer. Video as always like!
Because the string acts on the arrow for a longer amount of time, applying more force. If you put your fist one inch from a punching bag and hit it, how much would you impact it? If you held your fist behind your head and drove it forward for a strike and hit the punching bag, would it provide a lot more force than the one inch punch? For most people, the answer is yes, and that is because you have more time to drive force into the punch. The same happens with the string acting on the arrow.
Could the draw stop problem with Boetsch be caused by a slight indifference in the limbs? Maybe one flexing more than the other. Love your channel! Learned how to tune my bow from you.
When you say "they gave me these bows" do you mean you get to keep them? Also, great testing - very thorough. In the end though, the old standby of "you lose/gain about 10 FPS for every inch of draw" pretty much holds true. In your test the average ends up as 13 for the Bowtech and 12 for the PSE if my public school math holds true. 10 FPS guesstimate is probably close enough?
Hello Sean, I bought a used Bowtech Reign6 that was set at 30” draw length and when I drew it back the valley was awesome it was even kind of hard to let down, but I had to change the draw length to 28” to fit me now there is no valley at all, you can not creep any at all. I was just wondering is that normal, because I really liked the valley at 30”
I had it done at one of my local shops, but yeah it looks like the string is hitting the draw stops at the right time. I figured when you shorten the draw length the cams must not rotate as far so that is what I was thinking caused it but I’m not sure.
@@dewaynenunley569 Did they switch the disk from comfort to performance setting? That could be what happened because you only get that nice valley in comfort setting. Performance setting wants to fly off the wall. Look at the flip disk and see what it says. The setting it is on is what you see. So if you see performance, then they put it to the performance setting. If you want that nice valley they will need to put it to comfort setting and you lose about 8 feet per second of speed. I keep mine on comfort setting regardless because I don't like the feel of performance. The other option is that the draw stop pegs are in the wrong spot.
It says it’s on the comfort setting but the valley is no where near as deep as it was when I first got it and it was set at 30”. So the valley should stay the same when I shorten or lengthen the draw length?
My wife is looking for a 40# bow for state hunting regs. Her draw length is approx 25". Do you think I can hit a 40# with a 40# max bow or should I get a 50# that I can drop to min? (They run in 10lb groups for Prime we're looking at). Thanks!
Have her pull 40 and see if she can comfortably do it. If not then she may need to start lower. I’d personally look at a bow with a large adjustment range to start like the diamond edge sb1 or bear cruzer G2. You can safely back it down to as low as she would need it to be able to comfortably and properly establish good shooting form and then you could increase the weight as she gets established. And if she wants to graduate into something else in a year or two then you could pass that bow on to just about anyone, child, youth, adult, etc....
I know this video is old but you clearly had a bowtech that was out of tune. Did you by chance fix that before speed testing? If not that would really explain the draw length discrepancies and the speed data
Thanks brother. Doing fine. I will be much better come June when I am finished my Master's Degree. I have a double workload right now and it is a bit stressful!
I've been trying to for years. So far, they haven't lifted a finger to help me get them in the reviews and no one carries them even remotely near me which is also making it very difficult.
I not rocket scientist but I think the inconsistencys were inconsistent back walk pressure like how hard your pulling Thur unless it was being shot thru a bow shooter machine I have a Hoyt Nitrux an it's at 66 pounds an I shoot hinges an I can tell just by sound an flight of arrow an sound it makes when it hits target if I wasn't applying more pressure I could be wrong just my opinion peace bro an godbless!
I disagree with your assessment regarding the results. BowTech in particular is a rock solid back wall with no give. You haven't taken into consideration the cam mods and the impact derived from the changes in physics and geometry when you are dealing with one mod for all the draw length ranges. They are unable to keep the same draw force curve because the shape of the draw mod. Go do this exact rest with these exact bows and then reassess your conclusion. God bless
@@seansoutdoors I see what u mean I have a hoyt nitrux so maybe I'm fighting my particular bow caz stock Hoyt hat spongy rubbery stops do you think those bowmar bow stops would make a difference I never shot a Mathews or a bowtec so thanks for responding
Thanks for getting back to me I meant no disrespect when I said rocket scientist I can see you have done meticulous testing wouldn't it be funny if you were a rocket scientist lol thanks bro take care
Well, the Diamond SB-1 is 30 inch draw, but the Infiniate Edge Pro is 31 inch draw. I haven't looked into it lately to see what other companies are providing.
Well, I went with APA because it is the bow that I have liked and been the most impressed with so far this year. I just love the fact that you can literally press the bow anytime anywhere and tune it with so much ease. When I was looking at them at the Great American Outdoor show, they were doing things with it to tune the timing to perfection is seconds that just shocked me. I just loved it, and some of the other hunter friendly thought that went into the design of them. As such, I decided to give them a try. We will see how it goes.
@@usbsol String seemed fine but the bow would never stay in tune. It went out of tune more often than any bow I've ever owned, so I got rid of it. The draw cycle also really hurt my shoulder.
I have a bow being shipped to me right now that should get here by mid week. I am going to do some shooting with it and see how I like it, but I am currently thinking I will end up using it for hunting if it goes well. It's the APA Mamba 34tf. I am getting the limb stops on it, and am going to tinker with it a bit to see if I can get it to hang on the back wall a little better. If I can then I think that bow may be unstoppable for a lot of reasons. For one, I really like that you can press it anywhere as long as you haven't blowing it up and derailed the strings and cables.
Those APA Bows look pretty rad! Never seen one in person. Wish they had more dealers in the States. Looking forward to seeing how that Mamba 34 works for ya!
I asked them if they would sell directly to people and if they would also give me some form of kickback if people went to them to purchase a bow after seeing my videos on them. They said yes to both questions, but I'm not exactly sure of the parameters of them giving me some form of kickback. I got the impression it might just be a store credit toward purchasing a future bow or something, but I would be more interested in a spiff of like $20 per customer or something like that. Who knows. Anyway, I chose this bow because I liked it the best for what it can do. I just need to tinker with it to see if I can improve the way it comes off of the back wall. If I can get that down the way I like it then I definitely like this bow a lot.
Tell my mom I love her.. it was a good ride. But when we start loosing fractions of a foot per sec. It's jus time to let it go an hang up the bow. I'll see ya on the other side
Saying God bless you is the equivalent of handing you a spiritual bag filled with a million dollars. If you don't want it just hand it off to someone else by saying God bless you to them and it will pass right over to them. God bless you.
OMG.... Just go to cliff an jump... It's all over.. " things are getting a lil haywire. Things are coming in a hair over.. ". I can't take loosing 1/10000000. Drop in my speed .
Humor is a good thing when used properly but a very bad thing when used improperly. I encourage you to find ways to express your desire for humor in a much more positive light. God bless you.
Not really. It all depends on the draw mods. Some bows can't hold peak weight when the draw length changes so it all depends on the bow what you can expect in the speed.
@@graphguy How about you take a Bear Cruzer G2, or Diamond Edge 320, and put it at peak weight which should be 70 pounds. Then take the same arrow, keep the bow at peak weight, and then start to change the draw length. Go ahead and calculate based off of 70 pounds and then shoot through the chronograph and see how your calculated number is not what the chronograph is reading. The reason is that the way they make the draw mods, you cannot maintain a weight of 70 pounds. Therefore, your equation cannot be used to calculate it based off of 70 pounds. Therefore, your equation will not give accurate results of what the bow actually does. Therefore, your statement is inaccurate. Go do the test, and then come back and tell me what you find.
Now that we are entering Holy Week, the last week of Lent, let us remember that Lent is about spiritual renewal. I encourage you all to look at your life and find ways in which you can forgive others, especially those who are the most difficult to forgive. This doesn’t mean let yourself be taken advantage of by others or mistreated by them. It means giving them a chance to change and become better, and as for yourself, simply make different decisions in dealing with them in the future. God bless you all.
Where did lent come from?
Sean's Outdoor Adventures Amen!
Love it brother!!! Enjoy Holy Week!
The Catholic Church took the format of Lent from the 40 days in which Jesus was led into the desert to be tempted by Satan. It was a time of spiritual trial and effort. Within the Church, it was placed in the context of the time leading up to Jesus' passion, death and then triumphant resurrection. In this way, we spend 40 days preparing to commemorate the suffering and death of Jesus. In doing so, we strive to grow spiritually and become better people, and at the same time, by sacrificing and giving things up, we feel weakened as He did when He was in the desert for 40 days without eating. In the end, when we break our fast or sacrifice, we feel rejuvenated in some ways, and in that way, experience more deeply the resurrection, when Jesus came back to life. Thus, the whole effort is to enter more deeply into the life of Christ and grow personally in self-mastery through it all.
Amen, you too!
Thankyou so much for all this advice, I've been watching all your videos, as I'm new to archery here. You are the best person to give advice. Alot of other people out there are pretty full on tools. You're a gentleman and a teacher. I have will sub you right now. And ask questions soon. Thanks again mate.
I appreciate that
Awesome review my friend. As always ery informative and always awesome. Thank you for the time and the data brother. I have been interested in a bowtech.. good stuff.. keep making good videos.. god bless brother.. Dennis in saskatchewan
Thanks brother!
This was cool Sean. Thanks for taking the time on this. It must have taken a good part of your day. Very interesting. Just goes to show.. right!!
Yes, it took a full day to record (I left out all the frames of me actually shooting just to keep this video from being any longer), and then a few hours to edit it all down. So it essentially took me two days to make this video, lol. Two days doesn't sound like much but when you have all the pressures I do right now, it wasn't easy to neglect my Master's Degree writing assignments for two full days. But, I essentially wanted to get this video done and off of my plate because it has been on my list of videos I wanted to get done for a bout 6 months now, lol. Now back to the school work! Lol!
If anyone has an old torture stretching device that they no longer need, please let me know so that I could stretch my arms from 28 inches to 30 inches. Thanks.
lol
The only reason I enjoy being 6'7. Almost everything else sucks. I swear if one more person asks if I play basketball or if I can grab something high up I will strangle them.
ZachAttack498 oh my god don’t even start me on how many people ask me if I play basketball, that was part of the reason I stopped
Interesting data. Definitely something to keep in mind. Will be looking for a new bow this summer. Thanks for the info!!
Cool thanks man. God bless ya
Thank you for the information. Once again a great source of data and I am glad Bowtech took care of you. Through my unscientific testing that the draw length (without tweaking) is proportional to the draw length.I shoot a Bowtech at a 27 inch draw length. At about 84 percent of the listed max draw length my arrows should be an estimated 282, which is surprisingly matches your data for the 27 inch draw length.
Thanks for watching! Enjoy that bow. God bless ya.
Love these vids on your channel! Keep up the great content Sean. Very enjoyable!
Thanks! God bless ya
This video really helps people, great ! Thank you!
Thanks
New sub here from Australia. Thankyou again for your brilliant advice.😊
Thank you!
Great video as always Sean.God bless.
Thanks!! God bless you.
Great Video Shawn as usual, nice trophy wall too
Thanks
Another great review and great info! Thanks brother!
Thanks brother! God bless ya
Good info, both are really nice bows. Must have taking some time doing all that work, thank you.
ALLLLLL DAYYYYY, it was ridiculous! Thanks for watching!
Cool info. Thanks Sean
Thanks, brother. I appreciate it. God bless ya.
Why didn’t I see this before ! Such great info
Thanks! God bless you
Would be interested to see this done with a trad bow. Obviously the pounds go up as the draw length increases. But the difference in speed between 26 and 32 inches due to both pounds increasing and power stroke increasing would be interesting.
I could try to do something to get close but holding at exact draw lengths will be tough.
@@seansoutdoors I understand that, only way I could think of would be to place measurements on your arrow, and get someone to tell you when you where holding at the correct position. Anyway thanks for the video found it interesting. Power stroke of an arrow is an interesting topic that is not discussed enough.
I thought about that but realistically I’ll need to rig up a fireable draw board to get any descent data.
@@seansoutdoorsThanks for the reply Sean. From what I have read 10 pounds of bow weight is around 15-20 fps differents. And for every inches of draw is around 10 fps. So a 50 pound bow should be around 45 pounds at 26 inches and 55 pounds at 30 inches. So in theory a 50 pound bow would vary between 40-60 fps a second. Which is a massive difference. To add to this I think the limb length is going to also make a huge difference. The difference between a 60 inch bow and a 68 inch bow. As a 68 inch bow stores more energy that might not get used in a short power stroke.
You could do some of this with also the shorter ATA Bows for smaller built folks that have a varying amount of DW .
Thanks for watching
Great video. I found that by using different releases can increase your draw length. For example the Carter releases can increase your draw length by half inch by having the law really close to your palm.
Thanks for watching
Guess the law likes being next to your palm eh? Was that a typo😂😁
Thanks for the tips and information
You are welcome. thanks for watching.
What was the variation in arrow weight, or did you use one arrow for the test?
Shame you didn't go down to my 23.5 inch DL. At 63.5 pounds draw I get right at 188 to 193 FPS.l, depending on the arrow (458 grain + - 10 grains) using an older Diamond Diamond Edge bow by BowTech.
I havent tested my new bow, as I havent been able to get to the Pro Shop and their chronograph.
I used the same arrow for every shot
Even though it limits my arrow choice somewhat, this makes me happy to have a 32” draw
Awesome
Hi Sean, I am made to understand that the poundage is consistent at 65#(&65.3#) at all different draw lengths, i.e. example, the bow is 65# at both 30” and 27” draw length, is this correct?
It depends on the bow. Typically entry level bows are designed for kids so the draw weight usually decreases as you go down in draw length. So, a bow that is set at 70 pounds at 30 inch draw may only max out at a 65 pounds draw weight at 27 inch draw. However, most of your flagship bows that cost 1,000 or more will maintain draw weight even when you decrease draw length
Not sure if you mentioned the brace height of each bow? That will affect the outcome for speed. Thanks.
If this was a comparison of which bow was faster that would have been a detail to take into consideration. However, it was simply an analysis on what the change in draw length will do to the speed of the arrow. In that sense, the brace height becomes a static component to what is being tested, but thanks for the input.
Sean's Outdoor Adventures. Yes true, but when looking at effort applied vs. Energy out - it would seem that the PSE is overall slower but perhaps it's due to 1/2" less in starting position? This gives BT an advantage to overall speed but ends up in a near dead level comparison (12.7fps/inch linear ) due to overall draw length loss. The other factor is, as you start to bite off the back of the squarer portion of the curve you start to capture more of the initial draw making for an overall drop in the net energy available. Each bow will have different shaped envelopes so saying that there is a "fixed" loss due to draw is not always possible.
In short, Great stuff! Thanks for taking the time to do the tests and share your results. It was super interesting.
Yes, if this was a comparison of bows, I would certainly agree.
Hi. Please help me: I have this question, if you buy a block bow, Hoyt Helix Ultra ZT, it has a speed of 334fps, this is for 30 " stretching?? If you set the maximum stretch on it to 32", the speed will be higher with the same weight of the arrow, do I understand correctly??? Thank you for your answer. Video as always like!
Yes the speed increases with increase in draw length
@@seansoutdoorswhy?
Because the string acts on the arrow for a longer amount of time, applying more force. If you put your fist one inch from a punching bag and hit it, how much would you impact it? If you held your fist behind your head and drove it forward for a strike and hit the punching bag, would it provide a lot more force than the one inch punch? For most people, the answer is yes, and that is because you have more time to drive force into the punch. The same happens with the string acting on the arrow.
Could the draw stop problem with Boetsch be caused by a slight indifference in the limbs? Maybe one flexing more than the other. Love your channel! Learned how to tune my bow from you.
It is always possible
Great video. I'm 6'4" and my wingspan is 82", and I have a 32.8inch draw length. Who sells a compound bow in my size? I appreciate the help.
Hoyt has in the past
Check out the Hoyt Double XL
When you say "they gave me these bows" do you mean you get to keep them? Also, great testing - very thorough. In the end though, the old standby of "you lose/gain about 10 FPS for every inch of draw" pretty much holds true. In your test the average ends up as 13 for the Bowtech and 12 for the PSE if my public school math holds true. 10 FPS guesstimate is probably close enough?
Yes. And, the data is the data. You can simplify it how you want, but the data is simply that, the facts.
Hello Sean, I bought a used Bowtech Reign6 that was set at 30” draw length and when I drew it back the valley was awesome it was even kind of hard to let down, but I had to change the draw length to 28” to fit me now there is no valley at all, you can not creep any at all. I was just wondering is that normal, because I really liked the valley at 30”
Did you move the draw stop pegs as well as the mod?
I had it done at one of my local shops, but yeah it looks like the string is hitting the draw stops at the right time. I figured when you shorten the draw length the cams must not rotate as far so that is what I was thinking caused it but I’m not sure.
@@dewaynenunley569 Did they switch the disk from comfort to performance setting? That could be what happened because you only get that nice valley in comfort setting. Performance setting wants to fly off the wall. Look at the flip disk and see what it says. The setting it is on is what you see. So if you see performance, then they put it to the performance setting. If you want that nice valley they will need to put it to comfort setting and you lose about 8 feet per second of speed. I keep mine on comfort setting regardless because I don't like the feel of performance.
The other option is that the draw stop pegs are in the wrong spot.
It says it’s on the comfort setting but the valley is no where near as deep as it was when I first got it and it was set at 30”. So the valley should stay the same when I shorten or lengthen the draw length?
Yes, it should definitely still be there. Something isn't right. Try moving the draw stop pegs over one hole.
My wife is looking for a 40# bow for state hunting regs. Her draw length is approx 25". Do you think I can hit a 40# with a 40# max bow or should I get a 50# that I can drop to min? (They run in 10lb groups for Prime we're looking at). Thanks!
Have her pull 40 and see if she can comfortably do it. If not then she may need to start lower. I’d personally look at a bow with a large adjustment range to start like the diamond edge sb1 or bear cruzer G2. You can safely back it down to as low as she would need it to be able to comfortably and properly establish good shooting form and then you could increase the weight as she gets established. And if she wants to graduate into something else in a year or two then you could pass that bow on to just about anyone, child, youth, adult, etc....
Hi sir, do you have a video or any advice on how to adjust the draw length and weight on a Martin scepter 4, do I need a bow press . Thanks in advance
Sorry I do not have any experience with that bow
I know this video is old but you clearly had a bowtech that was out of tune. Did you by chance fix that before speed testing? If not that would really explain the draw length discrepancies and the speed data
Yes
You should come hunt early bow up here in the Adirondacks with us this year . awesome video
Sounds fun. Thanks Jeremy. God bless ya
great video sean ! hows it going ?
Thanks brother. Doing fine. I will be much better come June when I am finished my Master's Degree. I have a double workload right now and it is a bit stressful!
Sean are you gone do review on Obsession .
Thanks
I've been trying to for years. So far, they haven't lifted a finger to help me get them in the reviews and no one carries them even remotely near me which is also making it very difficult.
god bless sean
Thank you and may the good Lord Jesus bless you, Roy, as well!
I think all the bow brands out there are good and cool in their own rights i might not buy some brands like looks of others better but all cool
Great
Are you changing the draw stops also when you adjust the draw length? It looks like the draw stop is in the same place.
Nevermind. You covered that. Lol
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Okay, Thanks for checking out my videos. I appreciate it. God bless you.
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Maybe trying different spines at the same time.
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I not rocket scientist but I think the inconsistencys were inconsistent back walk pressure like how hard your pulling Thur unless it was being shot thru a bow shooter machine I have a Hoyt Nitrux an it's at 66 pounds an I shoot hinges an I can tell just by sound an flight of arrow an sound it makes when it hits target if I wasn't applying more pressure I could be wrong just my opinion peace bro an godbless!
I disagree with your assessment regarding the results. BowTech in particular is a rock solid back wall with no give. You haven't taken into consideration the cam mods and the impact derived from the changes in physics and geometry when you are dealing with one mod for all the draw length ranges. They are unable to keep the same draw force curve because the shape of the draw mod. Go do this exact rest with these exact bows and then reassess your conclusion. God bless
Looks like my phone auto incorrected the word test to rest lol.
@@seansoutdoors I see what u mean I have a hoyt nitrux so maybe I'm fighting my particular bow caz stock Hoyt hat spongy rubbery stops do you think those bowmar bow stops would make a difference I never shot a Mathews or a bowtec so thanks for responding
@@seansoutdoors now I know I can ask you questions if you don't mind when I have them thanks godbless my name is Bryan
Thanks for getting back to me I meant no disrespect when I said rocket scientist I can see you have done meticulous testing wouldn't it be funny if you were a rocket scientist lol thanks bro take care
I shoot a 64 inch samick sage takedown that has 45 lb limbs for small game and I have a 30 inch draw length so my arrows move like theres no tomorrow
Yeah, I bet that thing was sizzling! Cool.
Did you shoot shorter arrows for the shorter draw or 31" for all?
No, the length of the arrow doesn't matter it is the overall weight of the arrow that matters.
My lil 27" draw at 70lbs sawed off ass! 5'8 175lbs
Thanks for watching and sharing. God bless you
Who makes a bow with a good 31 inch draw for under 500 I have a diamond but it says it goes to 30 but only goes to 29.5 sense then I found I need a 31
Well, the Diamond SB-1 is 30 inch draw, but the Infiniate Edge Pro is 31 inch draw. I haven't looked into it lately to see what other companies are providing.
Sean's Outdoor Adventures a friend of mine keeps talking about pse I guess I'll just have to go find one and give it a shot
I have a 31" draw length and ended up buying a Bear Wild, which has a 31" DL
Did that pse draw 1/2 long my evolve 31 draws 1/2 long
I think it did draw a bit long but it was a while ago that I made the video so can’t remember with precision now
@@seansoutdoors
No prob thanks for replying
You are welcome.
Cool, so you have gotten away from the major brand bows?
Well, I went with APA because it is the bow that I have liked and been the most impressed with so far this year. I just love the fact that you can literally press the bow anytime anywhere and tune it with so much ease. When I was looking at them at the Great American Outdoor show, they were doing things with it to tune the timing to perfection is seconds that just shocked me. I just loved it, and some of the other hunter friendly thought that went into the design of them. As such, I decided to give them a try. We will see how it goes.
@@seansoutdoors still a happy APA user? Do you have any comments on the string quality?
@@usbsol String seemed fine but the bow would never stay in tune. It went out of tune more often than any bow I've ever owned, so I got rid of it. The draw cycle also really hurt my shoulder.
Hey Sean what bow are you using to hunt with?
I have a bow being shipped to me right now that should get here by mid week. I am going to do some shooting with it and see how I like it, but I am currently thinking I will end up using it for hunting if it goes well. It's the APA Mamba 34tf. I am getting the limb stops on it, and am going to tinker with it a bit to see if I can get it to hang on the back wall a little better. If I can then I think that bow may be unstoppable for a lot of reasons. For one, I really like that you can press it anywhere as long as you haven't blowing it up and derailed the strings and cables.
Those APA Bows look pretty rad! Never seen one in person. Wish they had more dealers in the States. Looking forward to seeing how that Mamba 34 works for ya!
I asked them if they would sell directly to people and if they would also give me some form of kickback if people went to them to purchase a bow after seeing my videos on them. They said yes to both questions, but I'm not exactly sure of the parameters of them giving me some form of kickback. I got the impression it might just be a store credit toward purchasing a future bow or something, but I would be more interested in a spiff of like $20 per customer or something like that. Who knows. Anyway, I chose this bow because I liked it the best for what it can do. I just need to tinker with it to see if I can improve the way it comes off of the back wall. If I can get that down the way I like it then I definitely like this bow a lot.
Tell my mom I love her.. it was a good ride. But when we start loosing fractions of a foot per sec. It's jus time to let it go an hang up the bow. I'll see ya on the other side
It really isn't good to joke around in that way.
It's annoying when people say God bless. It's like saying Good luck 😂
Saying God bless you is the equivalent of handing you a spiritual bag filled with a million dollars. If you don't want it just hand it off to someone else by saying God bless you to them and it will pass right over to them. God bless you.
Testing catapults again !!
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If it were recurve I would have finished
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OMG.... Just go to cliff an jump... It's all over.. " things are getting a lil haywire. Things are coming in a hair over.. ". I can't take loosing 1/10000000. Drop in my speed .
Humor is a good thing when used properly but a very bad thing when used improperly. I encourage you to find ways to express your desire for humor in a much more positive light. God bless you.
K.E. = 1/2mv^2 , end of subject
Not really. It all depends on the draw mods. Some bows can't hold peak weight when the draw length changes so it all depends on the bow what you can expect in the speed.
@@seansoutdoors totally wrong. The equation is not up for debate.... it is physics.
@@graphguy How about you take a Bear Cruzer G2, or Diamond Edge 320, and put it at peak weight which should be 70 pounds. Then take the same arrow, keep the bow at peak weight, and then start to change the draw length. Go ahead and calculate based off of 70 pounds and then shoot through the chronograph and see how your calculated number is not what the chronograph is reading.
The reason is that the way they make the draw mods, you cannot maintain a weight of 70 pounds. Therefore, your equation cannot be used to calculate it based off of 70 pounds. Therefore, your equation will not give accurate results of what the bow actually does. Therefore, your statement is inaccurate. Go do the test, and then come back and tell me what you find.
You talk too much get to the point
The point is, longer draw lengths will be faster, but not by even increments from one inch to the next.