That 7960x is not eco friendly, so I'll pass.. :) Fun fact: this 14th Gen CPU + this Z790 motherboard can run Windows NT 4 from 1996 with multi-CPU support...
When Aero launched in 2007 with Windows Vista, it was notoriously demanding on GPUs. Many lower-end or older systems struggled to handle it smoothly, leading to complaints about performance. Now, with much more powerful hardware widely available, it might seem counterintuitive that Microsoft has shifted to a simpler, flatter design... I think the design trends are all about minimalism nowadays.
@@copiuum Not even, the effects are pretty much the same, in the same places, just worse looking. I mean, if my 2006 iMac can run Windows 7 no problem, surely Windows 10 would run on any GPU from the last 15 years? Performance issues in modern Windows come from the 200 bloatware programs and compatibility nonsense that runs at all times in the background, decimating performance on low end and old CPUs. And it is constantly doing something with your HDD, it's enough to bog down even a SATA SSD. It's such a terrible OS, even macOS runs way better on most PCs and that is really saying something.
Me too! I actually recorded most of the footage three weeks ago but just couldn’t find the time to put it all together-life has a way of getting in the way... :) Right now, I’m battling a cold, and my voice is worse than usual, but I recorded the voice over anyway. Next I think it will be Windows 7.
I wish I had a Titan Pascal card to experiment with. Right now, they’re going for around $260-$300, so I’m not sure if it’s worth buying one just for a video-especially since I’d probably only make about $8 back...
Fist of all, very good video. Even though I have no plan on doing anything like this. Well done for making an interesting video. I was actually one of those few people who really liked Vista (64). I had zero issues with programs, ie games, and even had better compatibility with some older games than I had with XP. Well, not the 16-bit ones, but that's not Vista's fault as my XP was always 32. I actually kept Vista 64 till about 2015 when I switched to Windows 8. Yes, not 10. That came back a couple of years ago after the release of Windows 11. Anyway, thanks for the video. Did you by any chance try to get the iGPU working with it?
My first experience with Windows Vista was on a late-2007 Asus laptop equipped with a T7250 CPU and a GeForce GO 7300. It came preinstalled and looked stunning, especially on the glossy display-my first time using one. However, Vista was too heavy for that hardware while using a high end CPU. The 14600KF lacks an integrated GPU (iGPU). While I haven’t tested it on Intel systems, I can confirm that AM5 iGPUs do not function in CSM mode.
I wonder if this is possible on a Ryzen CPU? It probably is now that I think about it, but there wouldn't be much point to it, this is still extremely overkill for Vista-era software already
I don’t see why not. In fact, the CPU shouldn’t matter too much - the motherboard, particularly the ACPI revision, is more critical. The newest AMD CPU I have is a Ryzen 9 3900X, and I can confirm 100% that Windows Vista (both 32-bit and 64-bit) works perfectly on an X470 motherboard. I’ve also installed Vista on a B450 motherboard with a 2023 BIOS update, and everything has been running smoothly so far.
Absolutely! I don't have the 14th gen configuration anymore, it was just passing by, but I will try it on the 13th Gen config which is more or less the same thing...
Am I the only one here who was just blown away by the fact that window server 2008 is still actively maintained? I had no idea it still received security updates!
Just a coincidence I guess. In Spanish Vista means "view" so Windows Vista was named to evoke a "view" or "perspective" and the end result was a more visually appealing interface.
For a retro-modern multi-boot setup, Intel is the better choice. It offers superior performance in V86 mode, and its motherboards retain MPS (Multiprocessor Specification) support, so you can run even NT 3.51 with multiprocessor capabilities. I already did it: Also, AM5 high-end motherboards seem to lack PS/2 ports, although I may not have search enough for one... On the blue side... you can easily find Intel motherboards with Z790 and even the latest Z890 chipsets (for the new LGA 1851 socket) equipped with a PS/2 port and CSM support.
I think I can give it a try, but it depends on how similar these releases are to XP. If they share the same ACPI support, the installation will likely fail on this hardware. However, if MPS support is still present, I should be able to achieve multi-CPU functionality, as I successfully did with vanilla XP.
I'm genuinely excited about a project like this! Though I could install Windows 98 every week and never get bored. :)) If you happen to have a link to the Rhapsody ISO just give me a sign...
@@O_moresThere are ISOs over on the internet archive, Big Brother does not let us post links here, but it should be easy to find. But I think you would appreciate the DR1 .vmdk that someone posted over there. The easiest way that I've found to install OPENSTEP 4.2 on a PC was to first install it in VirtualBox, get the generic colour display driver installed and then dd the HDD image onto a real IDE drive. The only reason I did that was NeXT's crazy floppy formats and you needed two of those (probably 2.88 MB) floppies to boot. Now, consider that I was installing this on a K6-2 PC with ISA, PCI and an ATI 3D Rage Pro AGP display adapter. Even this already lacked driver support for the GPU, because AGP drivers did not even exist as far as I can tell.
Ha, I thought you were asking yourself why Vista on this hardware! 😆 But yeah, if it’s about my voice, this is old news... This time let's blame it on the winter vibes - I'm cold, stuffed up, and probably sounding worse than usual!
windows 2000 on threadripper 7960x😃
That 7960x is not eco friendly, so I'll pass.. :) Fun fact: this 14th Gen CPU + this Z790 motherboard can run Windows NT 4 from 1996 with multi-CPU support...
I miss the Aero Glass interface so much. Damn Microsoft to hell for taking that away. 8, 8.1, 10, and 11 are just flat and ugly.
When Aero launched in 2007 with Windows Vista, it was notoriously demanding on GPUs. Many lower-end or older systems struggled to handle it smoothly, leading to complaints about performance. Now, with much more powerful hardware widely available, it might seem counterintuitive that Microsoft has shifted to a simpler, flatter design... I think the design trends are all about minimalism nowadays.
ugly (flat) is worse? simple design means better performance
@@copiuum Not even, the effects are pretty much the same, in the same places, just worse looking. I mean, if my 2006 iMac can run Windows 7 no problem, surely Windows 10 would run on any GPU from the last 15 years?
Performance issues in modern Windows come from the 200 bloatware programs and compatibility nonsense that runs at all times in the background, decimating performance on low end and old CPUs. And it is constantly doing something with your HDD, it's enough to bog down even a SATA SSD.
It's such a terrible OS, even macOS runs way better on most PCs and that is really saying something.
I was waiting for this video!
Me too! I actually recorded most of the footage three weeks ago but just couldn’t find the time to put it all together-life has a way of getting in the way... :) Right now, I’m battling a cold, and my voice is worse than usual, but I recorded the voice over anyway. Next I think it will be Windows 7.
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you can use pascal based titan with the modded nvidia drivers for vista
I wish I had a Titan Pascal card to experiment with. Right now, they’re going for around $260-$300, so I’m not sure if it’s worth buying one just for a video-especially since I’d probably only make about $8 back...
@@O_mores might only make 8 dollars back but you will also get a titan lol, and even so, can always resell it
I guess I will hunt for one anyway.
@O_mores I see the Titan XP going for about 160-200 USD on average on ebay
Great video!
Thanks for the visit!
Fist of all, very good video. Even though I have no plan on doing anything like this. Well done for making an interesting video.
I was actually one of those few people who really liked Vista (64). I had zero issues with programs, ie games, and even had better compatibility with some older games than I had with XP. Well, not the 16-bit ones, but that's not Vista's fault as my XP was always 32.
I actually kept Vista 64 till about 2015 when I switched to Windows 8. Yes, not 10. That came back a couple of years ago after the release of Windows 11.
Anyway, thanks for the video. Did you by any chance try to get the iGPU working with it?
My first experience with Windows Vista was on a late-2007 Asus laptop equipped with a T7250 CPU and a GeForce GO 7300. It came preinstalled and looked stunning, especially on the glossy display-my first time using one. However, Vista was too heavy for that hardware while using a high end CPU.
The 14600KF lacks an integrated GPU (iGPU). While I haven’t tested it on Intel systems, I can confirm that AM5 iGPUs do not function in CSM mode.
@@O_mores Thank you for the info. That's a shame. Well, kind of. As I said I have zero plans on doing anything like this.
Take care.
I wonder if this is possible on a Ryzen CPU?
It probably is now that I think about it, but there wouldn't be much point to it, this is still extremely overkill for Vista-era software already
I don’t see why not. In fact, the CPU shouldn’t matter too much - the motherboard, particularly the ACPI revision, is more critical. The newest AMD CPU I have is a Ryzen 9 3900X, and I can confirm 100% that Windows Vista (both 32-bit and 64-bit) works perfectly on an X470 motherboard. I’ve also installed Vista on a B450 motherboard with a 2023 BIOS update, and everything has been running smoothly so far.
Very nice video! I hope you would try install Windows 7 64bit and XP x64 SP2 with Intel Core i5-14400 or Core i3-14100. 😁
Absolutely! I don't have the 14th gen configuration anymore, it was just passing by, but I will try it on the 13th Gen config which is more or less the same thing...
Am I the only one here who was just blown away by the fact that window server 2008 is still actively maintained? I had no idea it still received security updates!
I didn't know it was VI-STA or it's just a coincidence?
Just a coincidence I guess. In Spanish Vista means "view" so Windows Vista was named to evoke a "view" or "perspective" and the end result was a more visually appealing interface.
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Windows Server 2025 on MBR a.k.a Legacy BIOS 😂
As far as I know, Windows Server 2025 support Legacy BIOS so it won't be problem. It's basically the same thing as WS2022.
@@O_moresOh okay, I thought MS try to put TPM 2.0 as a mandatory for WS2K25
Why Intel? WHY?!
For a retro-modern multi-boot setup, Intel is the better choice. It offers superior performance in V86 mode, and its motherboards retain MPS (Multiprocessor Specification) support, so you can run even NT 3.51 with multiprocessor capabilities. I already did it: Also, AM5 high-end motherboards seem to lack PS/2 ports, although I may not have search enough for one... On the blue side... you can easily find Intel motherboards with Z790 and even the latest Z890 chipsets (for the new LGA 1851 socket) equipped with a PS/2 port and CSM support.
challange install windows codename longhorn pre reset on this hardwere
I think I can give it a try, but it depends on how similar these releases are to XP. If they share the same ACPI support, the installation will likely fail on this hardware. However, if MPS support is still present, I should be able to achieve multi-CPU functionality, as I successfully did with vanilla XP.
Cool
Here's an idea: Mac OS X developer preview (Rhapsody) on a new PC. Or OPENSTEP, it's all the same anyways, just with a differing desktop environment.
I'm genuinely excited about a project like this! Though I could install Windows 98 every week and never get bored. :)) If you happen to have a link to the Rhapsody ISO just give me a sign...
@@O_moresThere are ISOs over on the internet archive, Big Brother does not let us post links here, but it should be easy to find. But I think you would appreciate the DR1 .vmdk that someone posted over there.
The easiest way that I've found to install OPENSTEP 4.2 on a PC was to first install it in VirtualBox, get the generic colour display driver installed and then dd the HDD image onto a real IDE drive.
The only reason I did that was NeXT's crazy floppy formats and you needed two of those (probably 2.88 MB) floppies to boot.
Now, consider that I was installing this on a K6-2 PC with ISA, PCI and an ATI 3D Rage Pro AGP display adapter. Even this already lacked driver support for the GPU, because AGP drivers did not even exist as far as I can tell.
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that’s what you sound like
Ha, I thought you were asking yourself why Vista on this hardware! 😆 But yeah, if it’s about my voice, this is old news... This time let's blame it on the winter vibes - I'm cold, stuffed up, and probably sounding worse than usual!
@@O_mores To be honest I like listening to your voice :)