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Nothing but respect for Randle. It can be tough being a Knicks fan, but credit to Randle for always being available
knock on wood as a knicks fan
He’s going to work everyday just to be yelled at all night 😂
@@samuelpaquiz8434 you’re stuck with him. Nobody wants him.
Its hard to be a rockets fans 😢
He did that with the Lakers too on his last season
This might be why Giannis has been able to bounce back from injuries and avoid major ones. He started playing late and had added a lot of muscle through weight lifting
I think NBA is too soft and these "injuries" are just excuses for entitled players to get out of the league and still get paid. They are soft this generation no question, and they get paid more than ever. Leads to entitlement and not caring about the journey to get to championship. These new players want to jump from team to team hoping skill alone would lead them to a chip, but it's the journey that makes the team.
@@jluck1590 if look at it statistically, you’re both right. Some guys are a part of party A and others a part of party B
dummy everybody did steroids back in the day, now these soyboys are afraid to be strong men and are weak like kevin durant, frail little bishes
@@jluck1590 can u shut up old head, you know there's this thing called inflation right? also, this is why scoring is up, it's not bad defense it's just amazing offense. and eventually the optimal way to score puts to much strain on the human body. imo, no way players before the 2010s could play as many games as they did in their eras because the game is just so much faster and requires so much athleticism. no way could the players who just stood around for some possessions and watched their big iso in the post would be able to play more than 75 games with constant movement every possession.
Or maybe other teams are just lame asf. They test players and hope for ref calls. Nba has been trash for years
I remember Tim Grover also saying that one difference between MJ & Kobe when it comes to practice is that the latter didn't know when to stop. Hence, the former had golf to channel his competitive drive while letting his body recover.
Damn, that's actually fascinating. I never considered that before but can see how it makes a measurable difference.
And gambling
That’s goofy. Koby had way more miles and played way more games. There is a point called a threshold. But using Koby isn’t a good point. He played 19 years. Lol. Being relentless should be the standard. I’ll take over working every day. That can be fixed…. But bad work ethic most of the time can’t. Being above and beyond is what inspires. Pushing it to the limit has value. Compromising, that is not something I care for. And I’m pretty sure that’s what made this country great. We use to be great in that regard. Anyway… love chatting
@@derekblake223 You did not understand the topic of this video. LeBron has now played 1415 regular season games over Kobe's 1346 and Jordan's 1072. Yet LeBron has only played all 82 games of a season once, Kobe four times, and Jordan nine times. In terms of 80+ game seasons, LeBron has three, Kobe had six, and Jordan had eleven. In terms of 75+ games, LeBron and Jordan both have twelve while Kobe had nine. Did you really try to argue against Tim Grover about practice? LOL!
that's true
I think PG has a point, I think it’s the constant inconsistent times off players take. Whether by load management, rehabing injuries, to the lengthy Allstar break. Giving the body a moment of down time then to immediately toss it back into a fast passed sport without proper warm ups. It’s also crazy that majority of the players that load manage are still getting injured like LeBron,AD,PG,Kawhi, etc.
That is a load of stuff that doesn't smell good! These homos get paid millions of dollars to #1, PLAY a game. The are paid millions of dollars to keep in shape. If they are constantly getting hurt, give them a bedtime to be in bed so they aren't doping, drinking, and hoing all night and they will be ready to PLAY,( as a child), the game! Damn shame to make that kind of money and can't show up to PLAY! I bet they wouldn't lay out if they got paid only for that game. Miss a game miss a paycheck. Miss 20 games miss 20 paychecks.
well kawhi has a chronic knee problem so that makes sense
Lebron is suffering from having played the most minutes. He’s gonna get more hurt as career goes on. His body can only do this but for so long
NO WHAT HE SAYS MAKES NO SENSE LOL
Respectfully no way you put lebron in that category. It’s a miracle this guy is even playing this many minutes at this level at 38. Everyone else in his draft class is basically retired lol. In his prime this guy never took a day off. The real reason is for sure the accumulative mileage from AAU circuits and a bit of the evolution of the awkward cuts and redirection all the time now. Also I think players take time off for smaller injuries nowadays to last longer but players back then would play thru smaller injuries which would ultimately shorten their prime in the long run. (Like shaq, chuck, etc) The way I see it top players play less games in a year these days but last longer in their prime
I was thinking why Jokic has been so injury free for all these years. And maybe it's because his game is not based on athleticism that his joints and ligaments don't go through as much as most other players. Jokic is the one star I've seen who's been in the league a while that doesn't get those minor injuries that keeps him out of games. I feel like just this year the team has been load managing him more and even then he probably could've played.
This is a great take. Jokic simply does not exert himself as so many players do. His skill set is based on his mind, not on his athleticism. This exempts him from this conversation.
A heavy mfer like him moving up and down the court and jumping/pushing weight for rebounds are made for injuries.
European players aren’t played to death in their childhood. They play a game a week and focus on fundamentals until they start pro at 16, and get to slowly get used to playing with grown men. In the US we throw kids into the AAU machine where they are going to be playing about 1000 games at a crazy rate with zero holistic training and no fundamentals, and they come out of there age 18 with stressed overused legs ready to snap anytime.
@@aprespunk They are playing grown men before these players in America. They're playing grown men, basketball pros, at 16.
Yup. This is why we might have 15 years of prime joker. 🎉🎉🎉😂
I'll never stop respecting your presentation styles. Your ability to get an idea out there explained clearly to your viewers. Great job again
This guy is a beast at presenting and analyzing bball insights, stats and information
Players are wearing low cut sneakers which is crazy,lebron, kevin Durant, Anthony Davis are all guilty of this
His videos feel empty without the sax audio in the background ngl
This was a great breakdown. As Tim stated, and I think this is the key, is the number of games, the wear and tear on the body before they ever step on a NBA court. The accumulative effect is killer, the never ending grind of basketball played is a serious factor. Playing year round and never letting the body rest is not good is the number one factor in my humble opinion...
Well said my friend
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It has nothing to do with wear and tear on the body. Players get more rest and have better recovery tools today than ever before
it def is wear and tear because the way these guys move with their bodies today in game really push the limits, the play was just different 20 years ago. There were few players compared to today that could do what these guys today do with their movements, the jumping 100 miles in the air on every 3 shot and not landing straight, the knee damage from the insane handles, twisting turning jumping landing. Simply put, these guys are more athletic than their bodies can handle. You cant just fully throw yourself into everything and expect it not to happen. Look at dudes like Kyrie, theres no way a guy that jukes and jives like Kyrie does is gonna be injury free, and thats much more common today.
I read that there was a study that showed a correlation between focusing on only one sport and being injured. Essentially, if a kid only plays one sport while coming up, they're more likely to be injured than kids that play multiple sports. They seemed to draw the conclusion that you overdevelop specific muscles for specific movements and your body breaks down because of imbalances.
Biomechanical engineer here…you’re spot on. We are taught to use one hand and drive on the left side our entire life…only a couple things that create imbalances.
That's why training your opposite jump approaches is so good for you! It not only reduces injuries by a lot but increases your dominant approach as well. This goes for every movement. I play Volleyball and I've trained my non-dominant approach and serves to a usable degree. I still could be much more balanced but it's a lot better than an average player. There was a study with high jumpers that found that training both approaches not only reduced injury by 70%, but improved performance 70% faster. That's crazy!!
@@narnianninja4964 very very very true. I experienced that in snowboarding.
It's probably a combination of most or all the factors discussed in the video. The rate at which injuries are increasing compared to the slower increase of decades prior suggests more then just one culprit.
It's crazy how PG just talked about this and got that injury rest up pg can't wait to see you back
Maybe he didn't practice hard
@@SeanD19 ☠
Man has been through a lot with his past injuries but was a total dawg in the 2010s tbh
Also good vids are temporary, riding LeDick is permanent! 😂
@@SeanD19 Now he knows it's not about practice but shit spontaneously happen
Shohei Ohtani was injury prone early in his career, the Angels lowered his load in response, injuries kept happening. Then they played him everyday and the injuries dropped drastically.
The first thing I thought of when I heard PG's point
this sometimes players get injured because the load that they need to manage in general is not at the consistency their body needs to stay used to it and healthy
yeah that was freaking crazy. I can see how it works though, when I lift weights and train cardio type stuff everyday it keeps me loose and whatnot, when I come back after few days I don't feel like the same person / as dialed in with the movements
I do think the load these kids have since they're 10 years old is too much, but NBA playing a game on average every 4 days doesn't seem too much with all the resources even though it sounds like a lot
man this is why people like me are dumb bc i’m like make it make sense i don’t get it lol i’m like i always thought time off and load management would help but here i am still feeling dumb lol man i don’t like any players getting injured bruh
Yea but baseball is lol levels of exercise. Bunch of roid heads and standing
I think the pace is a good example, as a Bulls fan, DeMar takes it slow on the court compared to other players. He makes methodical, calculated moves, utilizes pump fakes, etc. It’s like he’s straight out of the 90s, and I think that is why he’s so healthy most of the time. I’m pretty sure he only missed games last season due to getting Covid with no symptoms, and being sat for our last game of the season that didn’t matter for standings. I also think part of it is that DeMar plays through the pesky little injuries, some people get contusions (which are bruises) and sit for 2-3 games sometimes. Yes some can be bad, but 95% of them are small bruises that you can play through. When you group in these minor injuries, with load management, you’re already adding on 10-15 missed games that really could have been played.
Similarly, Jokic will play his fewest games in his career this year at... 72, very likely. Or around there. The dude just doesnt miss games. He plays a very low impact style so, like Dirk and Duncan, his game will age very well as long as he doesnt get bored.
Demar is a superstar in the wrong era
@@itzorca3997 similar to most big men right now that don’t have a jumpshot like Capela and Drummond.
@@maolenvinpelaez2199 Clint capela would be an elite big back then
It certainly holds more weight then "they don't work hard enough, put more strain on them ankles, that'll toughen em up."
Jxmy’s videos are always so good. The narrating, editing, evidence to back up his reasoning, music, and many more factors that go into making a high tier presentation like this one are all spot on. Jxmy could literally talk about the most boring topic but he’d still somehow pull me in and make me interested.
"These players are designed to play this game. But the game may not be designed for them anymore" --- JxmyHighroller 03.23.23
No fn cap lol I was like damn…..
It is how the game has changed. It is faster and more dynamic. Players are pushing the threshold of what their bodies can take.
Yeah, this quote hit hard.
A.I. is taking over.
so poetic
Mikal bridges should’ve been noted as not missing a game. I believe the only reason he missed a game was due to the trade. That’s why as a Suns fan it was so sad to see him leave, he’s an old school kind of player that doesn’t miss games and stays injury free. Now that he has a bigger role on the Nets though I guess we will see how he holds up but I think he will be fine.
If I remember correctly, the League itself made a statement saying his consecutive games streak is still alive, and he actually is on pace to play 83 games (hope I don't jinx him, love Mikal's game)
Traded Bridges and a whole bunch of future prospects for an injury prone beta who's superstardom is diminishing and fading off fast. Y'all got this year and next year to win it, that's it.
@@QuestionEverything562 stardom is fading?? he’s averaging 30ppg on 67% ts and is setting efficiency records
Mikal balled out against the Cavs in our two games with the Nets. I think the Nets won that trade.
@@amr-bw4gf His injuries are making him miss series, his superstardom is fading because of his unavailability, not because of his limited lack of production. If Kawhi from this point on is just avg 23 ppg and not getting past the 2nd round while missing a lot of his games, his superstar status is in critical shape and fading away. KD is getting to that point where injuries are consuming his talents.
Jimmy is 100% right about the evolution of the game. If the league had never made it legal to put your hand on the side of the ball and basically carry there wouldn’t be all these changes in direction
I played volleyball competitively on a recreational level and it was fun and my body held up well. Then I got shoulder bursitis from sleeping on my side. From that point on the shoulder caused so many problems I stopped playing. I can only imagine how difficult it must be to maintain at a pro level; which is what makes MJ’s last season of 82 games so impressive in my eyes.
Tim Grover simply trained the top 3 SG to ever touch a basketball. Thank you for your contribution to NBA history.
Tim Grover is the GOAT.
Majorr Facts💯
Who did he train?
@@dhruvgarg597 Michael, kobe, and d wade
@@tylerbuck9347 Charles Barkley and Hakeem Olajuwon too
That Paul George injury really hurt my soul. Bro threw down a 360 in traffic, and looked like he was in the best shape of his life
100%...I've always liked PG despite being a Nuggets fan. He's got a high bball IQ and has a great work ethic. You have to feel for the dude.
@@Peanutdenver He was unnecessarily dogged for making a perfectly sensible comment. The shot Dame made to eliminate his OKC team WAS well defended and a low percentage shot. That he got clowned for pointing that out whilst accepting that you just have to take it on the chin when someone beats you with a shot like that was really annoying.
@@RD-zx6py 100%…from people who get their bball news from SAS or Skip.
@@RD-zx6pythat really was a bad shot tbf…he wax like 10 ft from the 3 and Dame was extremely lucky with that shot…i would give that shot 15/100 times with that defence
dummy everybody did steroids back in the day, now these soyboys are afraid to be strong men and are weak like kevin durant, frail little bishes
allowing the carry and traveling also puts more pressure on defenders knees and ankles as the time they are expecting someone to HAVE to pick up the ball has changed
You do a great job keeping us all informed. Thanks!!!
One thing I love about my Cavs is that they've done an amazing job at avoiding these problems. We have had Garland and Allen out but both were for freak accidents of getting basically punched in the face. Videos like these just make me appreciate the Cavs management more and more.
Tbh garland gets hit in the face like every game lol
@@miisports6147 Every. Fkn. Game. Lol
@@dearmas9068 I swear you’re in every Cavs related comment on any video lol.
@@miisports6147 and never gets the foul
@@miisports6147 gotta #LetEmKnow
It's always great to grab your phone to find out Jimmy just posted another classic. This man is the real MVP.
@Morales Comer you are so right I was looking forward to this one. As soon as I saw it I was like "break time"! Lol
Glazing
Facts. He's the best out here.
Jokic is
Must be hard to go through life being your kind of special 😢
I gotta say this homework you do is very helpful for arguments.
Absolutely loved this video! Keep up the great work
What I like about Jxmy’s analytics is the pure effort he puts into his research, which makes all of his videos far superior than any ESPN analytics. Well done Jxmy, we can’t appreciate you enough but keep up the exceptional work!
Jxmy is a Chris Paul fan his opinion should be held with little regard
Well, put it this way, he aint great at statistics. There arent even clear numbers covering whether people being listed as injured today doesnt just reflect that teams and players are now more careful and diagnostics have become more sophisticated. Has anybody considered that back in the day players just continued playing injured? Now guys want to have longer careers, resp. play to cotend longer so they take more time to safely recover. Teams want to protect their assets long term so if possible, they allow load management and recuperation stretches. I remember lots of players Jordan included, icing their knees constantly. Bird and Barkley were famous for their bad backs. Shaq was basically constantly injured after leaving LA. Kobe never really came back from his achilles tear. Dirk himself said because of his hip problems he cant play soccer with his kid and DIrk is just 44 years old. So this is a much more nuanced and complex issue and jimmy didnt manage to first establish whether players are indeed more often injured. It's not even clear if they are even listed more as injured, cause jimmy just presented us with a snapshot. Paul George's theory also seems unbased. Most injures are related, directly or indirectly, to degeneration. So any more stress is just going to contribute to injury.
What I like is how every word you used in the order you used them is completely wrong. There will always be injuries in this kind of sport. Sports injuries are vast and varied, you don't want to get injured like that then find some other way to make millions. I mean I would even complain if I was injured and still collecting millions, would you complain? Of course not. The league today is filled with cry babies and whiners. 🤦
I think it’s crazy how Jordan Poole has managed to not get injured when he’s constantly stopping and accelerated and a extremely fast pace. Like a couple of times a game he is full speed running and then stops on a dime. I just hope he can start being really good all the time and not really good for a few games and then really bad for a few.
Right I remember point guard Deron Williams was so shifty when he played for Utah and I always wondered if those quick shifts lead to his early injuries.
he is young thats why
@@gazzgaspay4841 naw he trains his body for his playing style
Must be hard for his defenders when he puts both hands on the ball in one dribble like at 11:59 and then keeps going.
Okay Ben, Jordan Poole came into the league in 2019, he didn't play fully NBA-level games as he was headed to the G-League (Santa Cruz Warriors). I'm thinking he only reaches that NBA level of games in the 2020-21 season. With the number of games he played whatever fast pace he is doing is still starting in his body, he is still 23 and the high level of play is just beginning. The age and number of NBA games he played would definitely be a factor for the years to come.
the sequence starting at 10:30 was so good ....I have always wondered this and you presented this in such an interesting and thoughtful way!
I think it’s a combo of the style of play along with what PG said…you have to put your body through it , through the rigors of practice vs lifting weights and resistance bands. While the later are helpful, you still need to play, then get the proper rest/recovery.
Kobe/MJs trainer just made me realize why LeBron was so durable for almost 20 years, he was one of the few players who weight lifted all year round not just the off season.
It's not just weights, the diet that dude is on and steroids probably do a body great. Not to mention the $1 million dollars into advance type treatments like cold therapy.
@@ItIsYouAreNotYour and also due to Lebron changing his own style as well. He has stopped relying on athleticism since 2014, and focused on developing his offensive arsenal and tactical awareness.
^^^ you guys are all right but forgot to mention his genes. He had a grown man's body at like 15. Jacked, strong, fast, and could jump out the gate in high school
@@seize3 he wasnt jacked at 15. He started getting bigger muscle wise when he was 22-23
Yeah, he’s a walking muscle
Just watching the strength workouts which the Bulls and the Lakers teams had done in the 90's, and 2000's, today's day and age is completely different. Jimmy is beyond on point here, as accessory work weakens players, instead of getting them ready for the season. Mike and Kobe always, ALWAYS trained with weights, and did so to build their body for the torture being received. Mike himself said he was too weak when he was up against the Pistons, and during that time he was working with cables and doing accessory work, injuring himself in games way too easily in turn. Once he switched to a different aspect of lifting with genuine dumbbells, Mike reached his toughest shape. Kobe was similar, and once the strength training upped, so did his performance, and the consistency of his nagging injuries lessened. I myself decided to test this out, as up until three years ago I was only training with light regimens and bands, accessory work yet again. However, once I started lifting with a mobility-strength focus, my game tripled in production. I ran faster, felt comfier, experienced springs for legs, and the added muscle also altered my release point and brought it up right above my head, allowing me to shoot more difficult shots with the added bonus of not getting my shit sent across the court. All in all, this point is quite true, and Jimmy nailed it on the head. Lovely content.
What workouts did u do to improve mobility-strength together
Like, as much as I get the sentiment, I like weight training more than just cables, too.
But is there a study on that?
We can say we feel better from it, but how real is it?
And is that really what NBA players are doing? We see them doing cardio and stuff, yeah, but what happens when the cameras turn off and they're just in the gym?
Not sure the science of it, but cables (and moreso sleds and Smith machines) don’t feel as “full” as barbells. Probably because you’re using your stabilizers more.
I played a bunch of HS and D3 sports eventually (football, rowing, volleyball), and honestly always felt best when I just did a 5x5 routine, ran, and swam. I tried the DC program alternating push/pull 3x a week and only lost a bit of range of movement (can’t itch your upper-middle back 😂).
This is ridiculous. All the sports science is against the idea athletes are weaker now. STEVE NASH PLAYED 82 IN THAT INTRO SEASON. JOHN STOCKTON. THEYRE MORE IN THE GYM THAN LEBRON AND GIANNIS? Get out. The game is super athletic rn. Pace is higher. Stop it.
I am a 24 year old man and I too am a witness to the impact of strength-hypertrophy focused training. It has made me have springs for legs, improved my physical strength , in addition to improved speed and enhanced athleticism. Man,I often feel like I can move mountains. I am even fearless in the face of almost any confrontation (barring elite fighters of course).
A coach once told me: Weight training really is the fountain of youth. I must say, he has been proven right. I am natty by the way. I weigh about 86kg but dropped to 82kg due to illness.
Thanks for this. It touches on a subject I’ve been sensitive about for years. Basketball players and football players have a highly unusual injury rate-especially when it comes to non-contact injuries. Although I don’t agree totally with your conclusions or the damning of resistance bands and the like, I’m glad you did your best to call this real problem to people’s attention. I’m just going to throw one point out there: since Nike came out with the first cushioned soles in the 70s, the amount of injuries has skyrocketed. That’s no coincidence. Our feet need to feel the ground to be healthy, and without healthy feet you’re going down.
i agree, not and nba fan but watching these clips vs some others i have seen these guys are wearing like 6 inches of foam under their feet. how are u gonna not roll an ankle wearing shit like that?
@@KamekoTsuruga Glad someone else noticed. The problem isn't really rolling., though. The more space you have between feet and ground, the more "support" you have around the ankles, the less the muscles here can develop. If you want to train muscles you have to use them-duh-which is why putting feet in these comfy coffins is asking for trouble. Also, from a philosophical standpoint, putting distance or "shields" between you and the planet that bore us, nurtured us, and provided us a home as long as we've been around is bound to end in failure. Look how f*cked up women's feet (and backs!) are who spend their adult lives in high heels.
These conclusions have research data behind them, yours is just a hunch. And I'm sure they thought of that and tested these so called special shoes today. The body doesn't work that way, just as a car doesn't get more mileage from not turning it off. You need to train your body, yes, but muscle tissue only repairs itself and becomes stronger with rest after.
Speaking on Paul George. I played 5 years at my college (had to redhisrt one year due to season ending concussions). As soon as I transferred from JUCO to my NAIA (where i started) they were a lot more relaxed and I started getting injured more. I missed 3 games my junior year due to the flu and a pesky ankle injury (3 games out of 30 is 10% of my season). The following season I hyperextended my knee and was out for 3 weeks and I injured myself in our National tournament game again. It sounds crazy but the amount of rest made me relaxed as hell. Also my knee was just throbbing this entire video lol. Them injuries suck man. A hyperextended knee feels as if a claw machine ripped your leg off.
I’d love to see a breakdown of players missing games in the playoffs now vs historical averages). The sport has become (and I’m talking fans, owners, analysts and players) so focussed on the playoffs to the detriment of the regular season. It would be interesting if the trend holds in the playoffs.
Because playoffs usually have the teams that are willing to take luxury tax and cap overage penalties. Warriors pay over 100 million each year to make the playoffs. It's not that more players are getting injured, you are just more aware now of every injury because you have some form of internet in your pocket and get alerts right away 🤦
@@dverarde84 more players are not getting injured? did you not watch this video? the numbers are clear.
It’s a PED problem. They get the muscles stronger but not the tendons/ligament. Guys were not doing it (or less) before, hence they were more durable injury wise.
The american professional sport format/system is the problem. No one cares about the regular season. It is literally meaningless.
@@dverarde84 it’s literally not that dumb ass injuries have been going up for years did you even watch the video? 🤡
Surprised you didn’t mention Mikal Bridges, on pace to become the first player ever to play 83 games in a season due to his trade. Hasn’t missed a game his entire career. Not only NBA, he did not miss a single game since college…
Man is (literally) built different
Actually several players have played 83 and 88 games is actually the record held by Walt Bellamy, but yes I agree Mikal is impressive and I don’t know why he forgot to mention him as he is the first player who came to my mind
He’s not an Allstar that’s why.
@@OluyomiDumehe’s been playing like one on the nets tbh
One person way outside the deviation. Cmon you know Jimmy is a stats guy
@@coachpallthingssportsmore8352 didn’t know that thanks man
Wow one of your best videos lately. Interesting facts and theories and an good subject that realy has an interest. Thanks.
Been thinking about this for awhile, great video and logic to the problem
I already know this is about to be some of the best content on TH-cam.
Jimmy always has the best videos
Haven’t even watched a second yet, but I know you’re boutta be right
The slob on the knob is crazy
I was thinking the same
been watching him for years must watch everytime
I think another factor is how players play in a kind of way like DRose in his Chicago Era. Demonic agility, high speed type of guard, the way he shifts his body was unbelievable--and throughout those amazing moves and skills, he was dealt with so much injuries. Sometimes when watching his highlights you can see how his muscles constraint when he switch up his motions and it was scarily amazing to watch.
I agree with this. If you find a video of Derrick Rose dunking, look at how he lands after the dunks. That had to put so much strain on his legs. Center of mass was off.
fr his knees were like a ticking time bomb it’s scary to think about
Yep, and D-Rose ran on his heels, which is also bad for his knees and legs in general
Westbrook is extremely lucky in that regard coz RW and Rose gameplay are basically same highflying guards but compared to Rose WB has not been severely injured not even once I think
@@KarlMalowned32 facts so much dunks were landed on just one foot initially too jesus
I’m 22 years old and just got diagnosed with Degenerative bone disease. I’ve played soccer and basketball every year since I was like 6 and now that I’m 22 I’ve put so many miles on my body that I probably won’t be able to play at the highest level that I’m used too ever again. My most recent MRI shows that over the 16 years of sports, I wore down the protective tissue between my bones and will have progressive osteoarthritis for the rest of my life. So yes, I think you are spot on in this video
I started playing basketball when I was about 4 and I loved it, then when I was 15 I started training 3 times a day 5-6 days a week. I ended up with tons of injuries from random things like a broken nose or getting my eye cut 3 times but also lingering things like fracturing my ankle multiple times, broken wrist, but the most lingering was when I ended up with tendinitis on both knees from overuse. Doctor said tears were pretty bad, not sure how I could play through the pain and that I would need 4 months without any impact and then start strengthening and rehabbing the muscles around my legs. I was a stubborn 17yr old kid trynna go pro so I rested 2 days and kept training as usual. Took almost 3 years for my knees to heal.
Oh and ps after working my ass off God decided to be funny and leave me at 5’9 so the furthest I got was semi-pro basketball ( and if you’ve played at that level you know that even there the hoopers are a PROBLEM 💯 )
Notice how Jxmy didn't finish this video with his classic "Hope you all enjoyed" line since the topic is not someone can enjoy. Very classy touch.
He truly is one of the best creators doing it
I did notice that!
I think they are more careful and are able to detect injuries better too. Players back then may have played through minor injuries compared to today, where today they would sit you out to prevent more damage on it. It's not that injuries increased, it's that they are detected better.
Of course there are many variables that goes into this, and each of them go hand in hand.
yeah they are softer n don't play as much that's why they get injured
That makes sense!! Great analysis.
@@khal7702its literally the opposite, aau and high school is MUCH more intesne than it was. 12 years olds are spending all their time playing as hard as they can. That puts stress on them and increases injuries
Probably the pace of the game also
@@khal7702 nah they just work harder
Showing up for work everyday is quite an accomplishment. Especially when you work 82 shifts a year.
Another thing to note is that all players today play in low-tops. I have been playing in hightops my whole life (Kobe 9 Elites being my all-time top hooping shoe). I can't help but imagine low-tops could lead to more ankle injuries with a lack of stability. There's def a give-and-take between transitioning to low-tops vs old-school high-top chunky sneakers.
I think more players wearing low-tops is due to the change of style of play. Not sure how comfortable it'd be to suddenly change directions in high sneakers with heavy ankle support
You've got it backwards
this made me think, NBA players are moving alot like NFL receivers with all the quick cuts but they have to do it significantly more often. Receivers are usually washed by their early to mid 30s and it looks like the NBA could be heading that way too
To me it seems like that trend is going in different direction. In the past most NBA players were also washed by the time they turned 35, but recently there's been more and more players who've been able to extend their peak beyond that. They may miss more games each season, but they're also able to extend their careers further than before
Players are playing longer now than before
I think it's steroid related. EPO usage and new types of medications out there causing harm.
@@CARBONHAWK1 longer but lesser games ave per season.
@@jamesartemio1312 that part like kawhi might play close to 50 with all the load management
This guy does some impressive research and the presentation is so clear even someone who doesn’t follow basketball will understand. Love your work ❤
Just think of the shoes they used to wear back then compared to today also!
You consistently post the best videos. Keep up the great work!
90s also utilized multiple playstyles, a center would lock the paint and attack the rim, a shooting guard is the attacking master and defender, and a point guard is the facilitator and playmaker, they can overlap but they trained their bodies to do these specific tasks for most of the time
now, not only playstyle is much different, players can be asked to move around and do multiple different tasks that can strain the body more overtime, you can't expect from a center to move and create space or chase down and shoot and not get injured for example, that's along with all the other reasons mentioned in the video
The observation I had during the video when you said “you might catch an elbow” is the old game induced more contact, like getting hit in the face, but when I get a bloody nose I can still play that same hour once it stops bleeding. As you said with the sudden cuts and changes in direction, those induce non contact injuries and generally those are more serious than contact injuries. When I roll my ankle, I’m out for a week.
YES! Give me a black eye or a bloody mouth over a twisted ankle any day of the week. At least the first two look cool!
better your ankle mobility + strength and ankle rolling will become a non-problem
@@youdontknowme9068 It's not really something you can bulletproof, if it was then athletes would be doing that, simple as that. The main issue is the lateral playstyle that has swept the league, it's difficult for the human body to put up with movements that are so foreign, aggressive, and repeated. Like a horse, humans have an incredible anatomy for straight line running, but that anatomy is ill-equipped for lateral motions. Look at how small the ankles of a human is in width and compare that to a lion proportionally speaking, it is a large proportion difference. Also not to mention the lackluster buttressing on the sides of the ankles make for horrible lateral durability.
@@kehlanakareem9319Well I mean to be fair he's actually onto something. Steph had ankle issues early on and trained how he was training, specifically, added exercises to strengthen them and increase his range of motion and control, and he hasn't had the issues as bad since.
I have similar opinion. Today's players are being required quicker reflectivity, better physical strength and they also do a lot motions that will hurt their joint. People are way too vulnerable since they are exhausted.
It's time we truly appreciate LeBron. Big man like that, from teen, playing at a high level and keeping his body in relatively good shape.
@@marcdaddy33 😂
@@marcdaddy33 his doctor is the greatest of all time, no doubt
Yeah but bron is on trt or epo! For sure!!
Lebron is a freak of nature
Relatively? More like objectively
One of your best videos Jimmy, well done
And the Oscar for best mini docu-series goes to… excellent work! 100%
I think the answer is honestly more simple than everyone thinks. Intensity + repeatability. Like Jimmy said people are moving faster and quicker than ever and doing that at an all time level over and over again leads to injuries. Weight lifting and lack of plyometrics and mastering your own body weight are also a factor
No that's not it it's lifestyle changes
Compared to other years
Guys went harder to the rim back in the day and got clobbered. Plus, training and sports science has improved so much these days that it really doesn’t make much sense. Basketball today is a show, and the players care the most about staying healthy and getting paid. Back then, most players just cared about playing basketball and winning games. Getting paid handsomely was just a bonus for them.
Exactly...bunch of running up and down and shooting 3s not only is ruining the game but also damaging the players
Has the NBA added more games than were played in the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s, 2000’s or 2010’s? It has been 82 games for over 50 years so either the players are not as good of athletes (which is demonstrably not true) or something else is causing it.
As a Knicks fan, even though Randle suffers from a lot of off-nights (like last night against the Heat), he still finds a way to play all 82 games.
The best ability is availability. I'd rather have my star our there having an off night than being in street clothes.
@Joey Georgette Nice low-key shot at Anthony Davis.
@@Emma-dh1lx highkey
Randle broke his leg early on. I’m sure that his threshold for pain is beyond a high ankle sprain.
Definitely agree the trainers are not having work on acceleration and deceleration and weight lifting of building the body’s endurance to withstand everything they are doing sports wise.
It would be great to see the correlation between the amount of injuries and the increase in shoe "drop". 70s and 80s basketball players had zero drop shoes, compared to today's shoes that all have heels elevated.
Eurostep in particular is an insane move for your knees and really exposes your ankles as well.
The pace of basketball has dramatically increased so much that keeping up with running around screens and creating opportunities and plays faster then ever could be the main reason why honestly. The body playing so earlier plus mixing in extreme paced games at the same time might be answer why this new Era of players are amazing yet injuries come faster then before.
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Not at all! Try again sir
Pathetic excuse thats false.
You just repeated what the vid says….
Dramatically increased where?? Today's NBA is the same pace as the 60's ,. Nothing new under the Sun
you kill it every time great content
My hypothesis is that it's the shoes. In the olde NBA everyone was wearing the same basic shoes{"chuck's"} a rubber sole with an upper to attach them to your feet. Modern shoes have a void in the sole to cushion landing, but that void would flex during hard cuts {thinking of Zions shoe blowout}. I'm sure that manufacturers have formulated the rubber compounds to provide optimal traction.
NBA players may be missing games but I’m not missing any uploads! Keep the great content coming Jxmy
I bet if he uploaded 82 times a year you’d miss some.
@@Jetanium its not very hard to watch a video every 4 and a half days
@@jamesmclaren9026 I said it was?
@@Jetanium no, but what did you mean by saying he'd miss some uploads then?
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I always had a conspiracy that concentric only training (or concentric dominant training) is part of the reason why players get injured so frequently now.
As a personal trainer, what tim said is very true. Simple old school strength and conditioning training works wonders for joint mobility and overall performance. The game has increased in speed over the years and body is not conditioned to keep up.
facts.
What about body weight exercises if you can't be in the gym to lift weights? Cheers
natural body building also works wonders and builds muscle without weaking any ligaments
This is why I say that it’s a miracle that Lamelo Ball lasted this long.
Where’s your certification from
The advent of AAU basketball + regular season basketball has caused modern players to play year round growing up. Guys aren’t truly resting in the offseason. Once they get to the league, the physically demanding nature of the 82 game season catches up to them.
It could be focusing on one sport. When I was in high school, there was a basketball star at a neighboring high school. In college, he set Big 10 football records that still stand, as a pro he hit a home run in the World Series to finish off the Padres. Four years later, he hit the most famous home run in Dodgers history while he was too injured to start. Multiple sports are better for the body and help the mental toughness.
All of this is true. There is a missing aspect of laziness that’s involved as well
Excellent content as always, Jxmy. I greatly appreciate your analysis.
First of all, this was a great video, and I thoroughly enjoyed it because of how well thought out and diverse the topics were.
If I remember correctly from video floating online, there was a marathon fever during the 1970-1980s and many of the runners were predominantly doing speed runs (RPE @ 7, let's say) more than aerobic runs (RPE @ 3) due to these coaches were in fact former track coaches, and didn't know how to train marathon runners. In the past, there were a few people who speculated that people who were doing higher intensity of workouts were correlated with higher risk of injury, than those who were doing easy, non-demanding, and aerobic training, but had no reliable data to back it up. However, more and more data started to advocate for easy training; that the "easy" training plans yielded (about~) the same results to those who were on the "hard" training plans.
Yes, basketball players and distance runners demands two different things out of their bodies, but I do believe they differ in their mindsets. And I agree with Paul George's statement on "not enough practice," but perhaps they're practicing... incorrectly? Maybe Tim Grover is onto something about decelerating? Maybe the "no pain, no gain mindset" leads to burnout culture and injuries? I'm not sure, though. I recently converted from basketball to distance running, so I personally think there's a gap in how practice is viewed between the two sports. Just my two cents!
(For anyone interested in the marathon training style, I believe this is called the "Maffetone Method.")
I don’t watch as often as I used to, but you still make fantastic videos. I think we are just reaching the limit of human capability
I do have a solution for the ankle rolling though. Make players practice in low cut shoes that have rounded edges. The only times I’ve ever rolled my ankles are when I get too used to the conventional basketball shoes. Reason being it assists your ankles a lot in stabilization. So when you do bend your ankles too much, you reflexively end up rolling it as it’s not a familiar angle at which you usually use it. I’m a soccer player and if you’ve noticed soccer cleats they’re pretty rounded so you can use your entire foot to control the ball. You also need good ankle mobility and that translates to my basketball game a lot. I can’t say I haven’t rolled my ankle, but it’s rare and it’s never severe to a point where I can’t play for more than a few minutes.
to me it seems like this coincides with hand checking being removed. so players are able to constantly go at 120% and jump with 150% of there legs strength but hand checking would allow defenders to keep in front and slow down players stopping them from exerting so much explosion every play.
This is the real reason. I have been thinking the same for months.
For me it seems like it's the shoes, they have so much grip and bounce. If you land wrong the grip will rotate your ankle and the spring will move you in a way you aren't ready for
Could be dig take
I was thinking the same thing. I am not convinced that the purpose of so many models of shoe is to play basketball, over trying to sell more shoes. Those old school guys played in Converse All Stars.
shoes is quite interesting theory, technically they're better, but they make a lot of bad habits to your feet. Like landing on the end of your foot instead of the fronts balls of your feet. Or having a longer stride, not saying no shoes, saying a shoe that they actually get feedback when they land right or wrong.
Could be legit as well or at least a factor as well since they could model them in a way not for professional basketball players but for consumers
@@christophermorales4101 A shoe that corrects the landing of a player so that they end up on the balls of their feet, but the only way to do that is to minimize the range of motion a player has laterally which unfortunately makes them slower laterally.
It's the no calls near the rim. Basic layups result in the scorers ending up on the floor.
Bro I can watch your videos forever very good content
As usual fantastic video and analysis! I just hope NBA doesn't reduce the number of games, cause that would totally mess up stat references to previous times.
NBA Fans: Don't shorten the season! Preserve historical statistical references!
NFL: let's add another game! Even more stats!
Besides the messing up historical stats part, are there any other negatives to a shorter season?
@@walsh8960nope ppl just wanna dick ride their favorite players into the sunset
@@walsh8960 yes, less games to watch for us, less money to earn for the league
@@walsh8960 It's pointless
Players will still get injured regardless
They're already taking games off
Since load management is a normal thing now then shortening the season will reduce bench players from opportunities when a player does sit out.
Makes me realize how strong Russ really is after all these years, regardless of his career trajectory.
right? dude was the definition of an athletic phenomenon in his prime and has been spared of any major injuries or major amount of games missed. his durability is impressive to say the least
Ikr…just look at D 🌹 both similar type of guard but Rose career went south because of Injuries and WB has not have any major injuries
dummy everybody did steroids back in the day, now these soyboys are afraid to be strong men and are weak like kevin durant, frail little bishes
@@cooperhayes1194 Russ did not miss any basketball game at every level he played in up until his first major injury when Pat Bev hacked him as he was calling timeout. Fuck Pat Bev.
Lol but russ's turnovers and missed shots tho...
An NFL player, Jason Peters, said the only time you get hurt is when you aren't playing 100%. It sort of make sense, because if you're tired or not in the zone to perform at your best, injuries tend to happen. Each step or move you take will be less and less precise. How many players get injured in the first few minutes of a game? I can't recall one. When I look back my injuries, I was either tired or not in proper shape for the muscles in my legs and feet to properly perform at the beginning of the season. I think all other topics mentioned like simple wear and tear may be the biggest factor. But shoes are better than ever and recovery is better than ever. The NBA has become more agile and athletic, no doubt about it, the way they stop and turn on a dime is far more abrasive on their bodies than what was typcially done just 15 to 20 years ago.
Great video & breakdown.
Fair point. The next step you should take is to look at similar sports and see if they are injury riddled too. Box Lacrosse was derived from the NBA rule set and a lot of the movement is the same with heavier contact. Interesting to compare the two sports
This man is really on point! From the charts to this. Love your work man, keep it up!
jordan kobe were doing alot of cuts fakes and moves as well and still played, todays game is wear and tear on joints and ligaments yesterdays game was muscle
Just a few factors to consider: long lever arms (taller players playing / defending the perimeter), bigger bodies can develop tendon and muscle load thresholds at a different rate than ligaments, shoes that allow for higher levels of acceleration/deceleration and rotational stress.
JJ Reddick said it's due to scheduling and not having more than one day break. So they have less back to backs but they also have shorter breaks. That maybe be having the largest effect
But they don’t practice between games so they have never had more breaks
@@nydibs they do have practice between games and to my knowledge, always have. Its mostly just light work, shoot arounds and film stuff tho. According to the internet at least.
It’s literally never been a problem until recently though, so that can’t be the reason
It’s all excuses they just soft and thinking about hitting the clubs or playing call of duty instead of basketball
This video really puts into perspective how crazy Lebron's dominance of the nba for 2 decades with little to no injury is
Him and Giannis are just freaks that are unexplainable
@@Shortballa11 we dont see how old Giannis will take care of his body yet
Lebron hasn't played more than 67 regular season games in 5 years.
@@O4C209 but he averaged like 78 for 15 years, ur cherry picking his injury prone seasons, hater
@@alecboulton3537 so 14 years? Why not mention John Stockton not Lebron if we’re talking about consistency?
The injuries have been very strange. The seasons won't turning out how anybody expected. Still, the trades at the deadline are gonna be remembered and impactful for a long time.
I agree with what Paul George said with less conditioning and strengthening/less stretching out your body will for sure become more injury prone. Have you ever gone running or been off for the summer for a sports team and at try outs get your ass whooped? That’s because your body is going into a high level training raw. This is just pushed to the most extreme level at the pros you need to constantly be conditioned to stay healthy.
Small addition, player's weight has also (in decades' terms) been trending upwards slightly. Although it has been stagnating I think since the turn of the millennium. Adding this to higher agility requirements and longer wear and tear the compounded force stress (is that a thing?) does add up quite a bit.
That’s a pretty good point. In the 90s 200lbs point guards and 280lbs centers weren’t common.
I’m rolling with PG13. There’s a reason why players warmup before every single game. It’s not because they need to practice a move or even work on their shots. It’s to get them loose, and practice more often helps them STAY loose. I really don’t get the logic behind making them rest so much because these are the greatest athletes that have ever lived. I think they can handle going harder for longer than the rest of us.
The point about reduced normal weight lifting is key. Its not about a shelf life or the earlier start player have now. It's all about the specific muscles players use in their modern skillset. While those muscles are in constant use and are as strong as possible as a result, the neglect to classic weightlifting has made the surrounding muscles not as strong. It doesnt matter if you have a machine with a few gears made out of titanium if there are other gears made of regular materials in it as well, it'll last just about the same as any other.
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Definitely think that the evolution of the game is a big factor. So much more space and so much more movement. Absolutely brutal on soft tissue
thats a false narrative...it was way more movement and start stop in Kobe's era on back...these players got it easy now and dont even play defense. That's bullish**
So your saying banging is more safer than todays rules and style of play?
Especially on hardwood
@@DJ_BROBOT 😂you just sound like a hater how come Kobe himself was constantly injured this era , young lebron came in Kobe prime and lebron never was injured back then you a casual bro 😎
@@xofmetleh6618 that’s a false narrative watch a WHOLE game in Jordan era you’d see they weren’t getting fouled hard as they claim 😂 you just gum bumping
I think the cat and mouse game that you brought up so far is the most plausible answer. All that running around and stopping and going so suddenly would definitely at least affect your knees and angles to a degree
I knew I wasn’t bugging man. I remember YEARS ago saying that there’s no way that doesn’t fucking destroy their ligaments slowly, just watching them play you can see how hard they stop and quickly they pick up momentum. It literally LOOKS painful when you consider how many times they’ve done it.
nah, the most plausible answer is PEDs. they used to take all sorts of drugs. in the 2000’s trainers got convinced that these can be replaced by diet and massage. Turns out chemicals are better.
I'm surprised he didn't bring up the HEAVY usage of low cut sneakers now as opposed to high cut sneakers used before. A whole lot of injuries I think are due to no ankle protection or same stability that a high cut shoe offers
@@crosswiz6 You'd imagine so but high top sneakers drastically increase knee injuries, which is also bad for a player. There is no winning when it comes to the shoes, all we can do is add more foot stability, shock absorption, bite, and hope the players don't get injured. Mainly the playstyle is to blame as our body isn't well equipped for lateral mobility.
I was only ever high school and rec league level. To reduce my injuries I just mimicked J Kidd. I played sorta his style when I was younger but got tired of the issues, and transitioned to play old man J Kidd ball. 3 balls and screens, just looking for pockets of space all the time and not trying to use much athleticism except for defending. It helped.
As a runner, i have to agree with the detraining/no weight lifting argument. I get more injuries after recovering from a marathon, than training from a marathon. I usually run around 80-100 miles a week without injury, but i take 2 weeks off after a marathon because my body get beat up, that is when I get my injuries. Pulled hamstrings, stress fractures on my foot, shin splints etc.
I agree with PG13. I believe similar thing happened with shohei Otani, he kept getting injured as they rolled back his effort in practice and games. He finally just went all out playing often and practicing hard and he hasn’t gotten injured since
My theory is based in footwear technology. I think the grip of shoes improving actually has caused more injury because of the false sense of security as players. Better grip? Then they can move faster and more erratically. I say to give some slide back to force players to be more careful and have more fluid movement.
More grip means harder cuts which means more wear on the knee
Yes, Ive been saying this for years.
Every pro athlete needs to squat, press, deadlift, clean and jerk and snatch. Thats what makes the body injury proof. Ive played football, ice hockey, boxing, rock climbing etc, always stayed healthy because of weightlifting.
I don't think Randle being the only one not to miss a game is a coincidence. Knowing Thibs's coaching style, man has to go hard all the time. His body may be more acclimatized than those that may not have to go as hard 24/7?
No, his style of hard nosed defense puts more emphasis on *upper body* physicality, bumping your assignment. Your upper body is more then capable since it isn't literally carrying all your body weight.