Mother 3 is so phenomenal that things that could be considered plotholes still open up a realm of discussion and analysis about the game lol. I think it’s a case of the overall narrative taking precedence over filling in every little gap, which it does do very well and has insane attention to detail in a lot of places. Guess some things just slip through the cracks!
Yeah it's so strange that he randomly appears and boney disappeares, before disappearing and being replaced with boney so suddenly. And it's never explained???
On my interpretation i just think that Hinawa's death was so tragic was because of how graphic and tragic it was, while dying of diseases is tragic, maybe it wasn't considered that big of deal because at least these people would die surrounded by their loved ones and could pass away peacefully, while with Hinawa she died alone (maybe with the company of Claus, but wasn't her entire family) and in a very graphic way, so maybe that's why its a big shock to everyone
Yeah I always kinda felt like the general shock of her death came from it being a violent one, at the hands of an animal from a species that without the meddling of the pig mask army was fully pacifistic Death was not what was new to the inhabitants of that place, but violence It goes well with the themes of the game of sudden change and corruption to the nature and the world Even a good amount of the "monsters" you fight are never implicitly killed by you fighting them
My understanding of the whole "Hinawa's death was a first for Tazmily" thing was that it wasn't necessarily the first PREMATURE death in the village, but it WAS the first VIOLENT death. There's a distinct TYPE of distress to someone having been KILLED rather than simply dying in an accident or of illness, especially in so peaceful a place, so I can see it still being a deeply and unusually traumatic event for the villagers even if it wasn't the first time someone had died in Tazmily. Silly headcanon is that the old man you can randomly find in hot springs is Angie's dad and the woman you can randomly find in hot springs is Fuel's mom. Alternatively Caroline and Lighter are amicably divorced or had a fling or something and Fuel and Angie are siblings, and then the two random hot springs people are Nana's parents.
don't really see the plot hole, what they meant was Hinawa was brutally murdered and that doesn't happen here. People clearly die here they have a whole graveyard
Personally I think that Hinawa's death was a tragedy because it was violent and sudden. Not all cultures and people see death as tragedy; for some it's peaceful, a natural way of things to go, maybe even a good thing, and with a close knit community a child missing a parent wouldn't be seen as something as impactful as in modern society because it's the whole village raising children and taking care of them. So dying from the old age or an illness is just... the end of suffering. It's slow and can be painful but it's still expected. But someone getting straight up murdered? That is beyond this understanding of death. It's not someone falling ill and being surrounded by their family as they exchange goodbyes, it's something completely different. I think Tazmillians' understanding of the world is kinda like in The Giver. I recommend giving that book a try.
i really thought this video was going to be about when they're about to pull the needle in tanetane island, and for some reason just decide to watch for 2 straight minutes as the pigmen come in, slowly set a carpet down and watch as the masked man just fucks them up and steals the needle. like it wasn't even an ambush, they could've just pulled it and been done with it, and pulling a needle doesn't seem to take very long, they don't even look too tired to pull the needle after the fight
2:05 Missing = / = death. With the other missing parents like Fuel'a mom or Nana's father, its possible that the villagers still had hope those ppl would be found someday. With Hinawa, they had 100 percent confirmation through Bronson that this person was brutally killed.
@@MrEnte3000 I would also consider that a plothole, but I think it comes down to Porky trying to get as much control and influence over the islands as possible. Not to mention in chapter 8 they show brainwashing and memory warping going on, so I think those elements are/were meant to tie into the egg…
I'm still bitter about that, not necessarily because it's a plot hole, but because it's a huge setup with little to no payoff at all. You spend half of the game trying to get the bloody egg and then it's never brought up again besides a tiny lore bit saying it contains the memories of everyone's past lives or something, which is information that never becomes relevant at any point in the story.
@@elfrangofritoAdding onto this, I thought it was strange how once they retrieved the egg, Duster regained his memories, but not his memories of his previous life and the old world. Why didn't he regain all of his memories, including the ones that had been sealed away? There's also a line that implies not just Duster, but all of the members of the DCMC seemed to have suffered from amnesia. What's up with that? It's never expanded upon or mentioned again whatsoever.
@@doglikedude The DCMC were presumably brought to the Nowhere Islands by Porky, so their amnesia could be the Pigmask's doing in order to convince them to placate the citizens of Tazmily. This is only my speculation, though.
Nice video idea, I thought it was going to be about the Egg of Light / Hummingbird Egg but that might not have been as interesting! I haven’t really seen an explaination attempt for the lack of parents before…it’s a video topic that could only come from thinking a lot about EarthBound 64, which is your strong suit and helps your channel stand out from other MOTHER content creators. You did a good job of introducing a reason, then explaining why Tazmily’s blissfully ignorant inhabitants would have an innately optimistic look on missing persons.
I think what makes Hinawa's death so especially tragic is the way that she died. Not only was it graphic and violent, it was done by something that was previously viewed to be safe. Wildlife in general wasn't implied to be violent. Especially the Drago, which are seen playing with the kids. The Drago were almost part of the community itself, and now they're violent murderers.
i think it's mainly because of the mysterious nature of the forest fire and the fact that she was murdered by a drago, who were otherwise completely friendly to humans. it's a lot harder to emotionally comprehend violence like that than it is to cope with a tragedy that happens by chance or nature taking its course.
This may be a little off topic but one thing i find very interesting about the villagers locking away their memories of the old world as to not make the same mistake as before, is that the need to ignore and not reflect upon their history is exactlly what made them susceptible to Fassad and Porkys influence later on, and i think that ignorance of the mistakes of before might explain some of the contradictions of tazmilly pre timeskip, like the comment made by mike, or the fact that pusher has a bigger house than everyone else or even how many of the villagers come off as dumb sometimes
Was going to comment this but you said it so much better than I could have, haha. They're still *the same humans* who participated in the apocalypse before the White Ship, and instead of /changing/, they just plugged their ears and shut their eyes...
My perspective on that thing is that Maybe diseases and old age isn't considered as much of a tragedy as what happened to Hinawa Sure, it's sad, but it's nothing that could shake a whole village. They have a graveyard, and the zombies that came out to attack Duster don't look like they were people that old, so they probably saw death that weren't old age related Just yeah, the night Hinawa died everyone lost their mind, weird people were appearing and doing weird stuff, the forest was burning, strange creatures appeared seemingly out of nowhere. And a creature that was seen as peaceful was supposed to be the cause of that tragedy. My take is, they aren't completely oblivious to tragic stuff, just that night was too much for the entire village, and the missing parents probably just saw death that were comprehensive by the villagers so they just kept living their lives normaly after that (I mean, you can even get antidotes and all at the beginning of the game at the trading shop of I remember correctly, so at least the idea that diseases are a thing and it's something that needs to be taken care of definitely is a thing in the village)
I think this was a left-over thing that was a scrapped plotline from the N64 version, where it was going to start off as a mystery where you're supposed to solve why residents of Tazmilly Village are suddenly disappearing and several incidents of chimeras and monsters suddenly appearing.
13:06 While convoluted, one explanation is that those Zombies are from after the people of the White Ship arrived in the Nowhere Islands, but before the establishment of the Tazmily Villagers and the memory wipe.
I would think, if I was playing the game with this theory in mind, that those zombies are some of the people that were presumed to have wandered off and are living elsewhere
Come to think of it, the whole Leder story sounds like developer commentary that Itoi couldn't fully do what they wanted with Mother 3. Perhaps it's for the best in hindsight, but I cannot help how awesome EB64 was suppose to be a very ambitious title for the N64/DD; only to die late. I don't care how choppy and weird the N64 aesthetic would have been, yet it would have been also fitting for the darkness & depth the scenes the gba scenes couldn't do. Majora's Mask is amazing for that reason; it's just got lucky it got finished within a strict deadline. Solving problems for towns & other regions, only to lead up towards the main culprit behind it all. The openess of chapter 7 makes sense in the fact you can actually do it in a different order. Maybe Flint wouldn't be able to save them all, but at least he tried. Like... that whole concept art of those hungry guys would have been rather macabre. Saving Claus on the other hand, won't be so lucky either. I guess now we can take solace in the fact the Mother world has salvation, while we're here playing Mother 4 in the real world. The player's world.
My head canon regarding these missing villagers is just that the Pigmasks abducted them. Now you may say “But the Pigmask’s never interacted with the Village before Fassad arrives.” True. But there is already infrastructure in place to facilitate Fassad and Salsa’s travel to Tazmilly. And in a case of wrong place wrong time Tobacco, Papa and any other villagers who saw them (say emerging from or building the gravestone exit) and were taken so that the Pigmask’s weren’t exposed to the village before they wanted.
I came into this video thinking "wait there's a plot hole in Mother 3?" But after you said what the "plot hole" is I remembered how I was always confused about that. But I always thought that Hinawa's death was taken more seriously because it wasn't natural, and seemingly was done on purpose, and how it was a Drago that killed her. And Drago's were supposed to be peaceful creatures.
i think tazmilly village has seen people die, but those people have died happy knowing they lived their lives to the fullest, while hinawa's life was cut short, and she never got to live a complete fulfilling life. which is what made it so jarring to the people of tazmilly village
I think the Zombies in the Graveyard were people on the voyage to the Nowhere Islands, some probably died along the way and they were probably buried, then when they used the Hummingbird's Egg, they would forgot what was in the graveyard, this would make them be ignorant with Death while still having Dead people in the graveyard, which in that case the Zombies probably remembered what happened in the "previous world" which is kinda cool
Damn. Super depressing to think about the ONE guy actually acting and attempting to find someone who went missing was shunned for it. It's crazy that a society so SURE that the people who go missing are alive out there somewhere are also the types to actively mock a person for trying to FIND these said people
I always imagined tazmilly village like a hippie free love commune where the children sometimes were "missing" a parent because their other parent is living with someone else at the moment. Their community is so tight knit that the idea of a nuclear family isn't the norm.
I have a huge whole in your theory: the zombie lady who tells duster: look how much you’ve grown duster. Or something like that. But how did she know that unless she died after the egg of light.
It's not that they're just making assumptions that there more villages out there. It's part of the specific "story" that they made for themselves before wiping their own memories. If the rest of the world doesn't exist, then they might start asking uncomfortable questions, like where the things they do have in their little village came from. I think questions like "where does Nana sleep?" probably fall more under the concept of game abstraction, rather than actual plot holes. It's like how houses in mother 1 and 2 were often just a single room with a chair, table, and lamp. I don't think we're meant to believe these people actually live like that, it's just set dressing we're supposed to fill out. Mother 3 does the same thing, but it also feels more out of place because the world is generally more fleshed out. Then they do something very clever; they use the uncanny feeling produced by this abstraction to play into the fact that this world is a little off, because it's been manufactured. It's self aware int the way they it blurs that line.
I'd argue the biggest plothole in Mother 3 is how we don't know why Locria (Fassad) betrayed the other magypsies. Were they always power-hungry by nature and saw the pigmasks as an opportunity to gain it? Or were they simply brainwashed by Porky at some point before the game? There is that unused cutscene of Lucas and co. supposedly meeting Locria as a normal magypsy which implies that they were brainwashed the whole time as Fassad and there was a scrapped plot point of Locria becoming un-brainwashed somehow. The more I think, the more I lean toward Locria being brainwashed as not only does the mouse at Locria's house say that they were kind to them, a contrast to how we see Fassad treat animals. But also how brainwashing is pretty much Porky's MO for gaining followers. All the nameless NPCs, the citizens of Tazmily and even Claus are all victims of Porky's brainwashing in some way so it makes the most sense that's what happened. Especially given how powerful the magypsies are canonically, it would be a huge boon for Porky to have one on his side so he snatched up Locria and made them yet another pawn.
I've seen the depiction that they were just bored. After living their life as a Magypsy for who knows how long, Porky offered them a change of pace and let them leave their old life behind. Either way, I feel like it's one of those things that doesn't need to be explained, because the lack of explanation makes it more interesting to think about.
Unrelated but sort of: I have a theory that the Needles and dark dragon/masked man were never part of Porky’s original plan; notice how they never come into his plans until chapter 4 (one pig mask mentions the dark dragon in relation to the clayman factory, but I don’t remember the exact line), but after Porky captured Claus, Fassad was able to awaken PK Love in him like Ionia did for Lucas, and that spiraled into that whole thing
@@BananaFaceDude56 It’s actually implied that the Magypsies helped awaken Pk Love in Claus. They said they gave him PSI in chapter 1 when he wanted to avenged Hinawa’s death.
I imagine that the zombies could be people that died on the white ship during the voyage and were layed to rest in the village or simply just people that died of natural causes.
One additional thing I’d like to mention is the assumption of traditional family structures. Single parents with one of the two parents just deciding mutually that they didn’t want to be the parent of a child with the other one wanting it is valid and can leave to just as good outcomes.
Frankly, I'm not suprised to find the villagers being apathetic and minimally effected by everything. IMO, empathy and sympathy rely on a shared experience and/or history. Meanwhile, the whole nature of their village is based upon the erasure of what came before. The reason that their village was 'utopian' was not due to aspects of the village itself being 'good' but merely that it lacked a corrupting force. Which is why it took so little time for the village to be so thoughly 'changed' by Porky's takeover.
A plot hole I can think of is how the ending scene implies the characters were reborn in a world and everyone is fine. The problem is, in the credits Porky shows up in his spider mech bed, alongside pigmasks. Meanwhile, mr. Itoi suggests that Porky is still inside the ASC, pretty much stuck in the rubbles of the old world as I like to poetically call it.
I always figured it was a matter of "no one here has ever been killed by another living being. It's always been disease or old age or an accident involving weather or the environment."
Really interesting analysis!! I haven’t heard much discussion about Tazmily’s people and haven’t thought much about this plot hole, so this was very enjoyable :)
An even bigger question is how Papa had kids at 12 Also couldn’t they have been Brainwas-I mean Recruited into the New Pork army and been like what happened with capitalism? We see this happen later on with villagers anyway and we do see Pigmasks at the start of the game so it could not just be the parents who left but those who went after them eventually leaving no one left who cared enough to go look. This is exactly what we see happen with Flint The original concept of the game was also detective work so this could have been the master case
I find it interesting you brought up how Tazmily pre-Faccad seemingly had problems. An interpretation of mine has always been that, post-Faccad Tazmily wasn't all that bad, and that the story isn't trying to glorify naturism or completely antagonize industrialism. It was a time where there was still a semblance of community- and yeah some people weren't as close as before, but many people were still pretty happy, people found new things to like, and there was a LOT more people around too. While it may seem apathetic, I think villagers were right that Flint needed to let Claus go- He was neglecting both his own life and Lucas's, and the world around him, and it wasn't doing him any good. Searching for Claus didn't make him "one of the good people remaining in the village", it made him a husk of himself. I think there's a lot to explore about the themes of the game's setting that go beyond simply "Village good city bad."
One question I have about Mother 3 is who the pigmasks were at the beginning of the game. Later on, we see some of the villagers working in the clayman factory, but they obviously couldn't have been the ones blowing up the forest. I don't think we get any insight as to who they were or where they came from. (Maybe its some kind of mind control?) I still think its something interesting to think about.
Porky took people from a different time into the nowhere islands. It's how Dr Andonuts and the Pigmask that resembles Applekid. It could be possible that the process of taking missing people and mind controlling them could be a thing. However, the Pigmasks in the early game were very quick to throw bombs and operate machines. They must have been soldiers at the very least. Most likely the same soldiers who are responsible for the world to effectively be Post-War that the White Ship didn't want to repeat.
A few questions When do the pigmasks arrive to the Nowhhere Islands? The game reads as if they got there the night of Hinawas death despite the fact that theres an aleeady established Pigmask lab in the middle of the desert, not to mention its various subways and connections to other areas, which begs the questions, Did they make the lab? When did they make it? Why is it so rundown? Then we have the plothole of Duster's limp being completely uncurable, as Pk Lifeup and Pk Heal do nothing to affect it even though it's heavily implied that those spells heal physical injuries, also how heavy do all the party members have be to sink directly down into the ocean floor? Wouldn't water pressure tear them apart? Why did the White Ship People freely give away the recently orphaned newborn (Kumatora) to a bunch of random hippie strangers that happened to be living on the islands? Whats the deal with Master Eddie? Why was his first instinct upon seeing a group of humans to throw hands? Is he working with the Pigmasks? Is he a chimera of sorts?? Why does Wess know so much about the history of Osohe Castle despite the fact that it was long abandoned by the time the White Ship had arrived? How does he know about the Osohe dance?? Why did the people of Osohe Castle leavw? Wasn't the island hidden away from the rest of the world? If so then there wasn't risk of invaders?? Those were just a few of my questions about the game.
Missing parents doesn't mean dead parents. Got no dad? Mom doesn't know who the dad is. Got no parents at all? They just didn't want you... ok, that might be a bit too dark.
I think plotholes like this are fine. No game has to make sense to begin with. The message is the most important thing & the story primarily serves to deliver that message. Interpret the story however you will. But if you dare tell me that Ness is Hot Dog man, I will put you on a rocket & send you to the sun
I think the term 'tragedy' allows for a bit of vagueness. I think the main difference between Hinawa's death and say, a disappearance at sea or dying of sickness, is that the sea is innately dangerous, the sick can be said goodbye to. Hinawa was suddenly murdered by a creature that is known to be peaceful, during a regular trip to visit her father, and Flint never got to properly say goodbye. It is a complete gut punch from Tazmily's perspective. Edit: Not to say I don't respect your interpretation; it's very cogent to point out that Tazmily has dystopian elements even before Porky, given the aggressive 'good vibes only' policy that forces Tazmily folk to just... not think about tragedy.
One of the biggest sins is how Flint was written off for most of the game. They didn't need to make him playable in the last stretch to then wipe out everyone but Lucas in the finale. Felt like a waste. Bonney and Lucas getting joined by Flint at least until Kumatora and Duster gets picked back up like how they originally wrote it I think would have been more staisfying. Like, lol, my mom and brother are dead, if family is such a strong overtoned theme in the story wouldn't being on this adventure with my dad at least give me that glint of hope I need to make it through the darkest chapters when all hope seems lost?
I never properly thought about this, it’s indeed very weird that the people never seems to think about those missing people until Hinawa’s death, but I always thought that they died by disease or by natural causes, which is why the graveyard exists in the first place, while Hinawa’s death was caused by a violent action. But there are many other plotholes that were unresolved, like for example, what happened to the white ship? Was the white ship a boat? A navel? Or a spaceship of sorts? The spaceship theory makes sense due to the civilization that ended the world being apparently very developed, to the point of them being able to make things like the hummingbird egg, and them being in a rush to what they were gonna do then, or maybe it was a navel made of wood? Which would explain why it never appears in game, and how Tazmily’s buildings were built. Also, why Locria berñtrayed the other Magypsies? Why join to Porky? That was never remotely explained, nor why he/she wanted to wake the dragon.
off topic from the video but mildly related. I just remembered this because I saw Dr andonuts and Wess in the same thumbnail of a video and just remembered Andonuts shows up towards the end after Porky goes into his absolutely safe capsule. Andonuts is here but not Jeff, his son who was a main character in Earthbound/Mother 2. We do not see any of the main characters in Earthbound/Mother 2 until we get to New Pork City, where we see a recollection of the events of Earthbound in a movie, and items related to them such as a baseball bat and a hat, either as replicas or sometimes the real thing. Since the people of Tazmilly are the last people on Earth, it's safe to assume our 4 kids of Earthbound are fucking dead. Tbf it could be assumed they are somewhere else, but it is highly unlikely, and I think that's surreal that the characters you grew to love so much in the previous game are just not alive anymore with no drama like with Hinawa's death. They're just gone like the rest of the people outside of Tazmilly. To top it all of Dr Andonuts probably doesn't even remember that he has a dead son because all the people who were left had their memories erased. Ness, Paula, Jeff, and Poo were all literally forgotten about
scamp also died post time-skip and no one seems to care either. scamp would be 2nd noticed death after hinawa (if my memory is right). despite this death being noticed, the villagers dont seem to care much because happy boxes made them apathetic
I think the contrast of the innocence and the darker elements works really well to establish so much in the game. On that level its definitely written to be one of those "If you think about it, thats kinda fucked up isn't it" kind of stories.
I can see your headcannon and give my own! Why was Hinawa's death so tragic? I think it's more simple than missing villagers. It's all said in one simple line. "Everyone loved Hinawa." Basically saying it as they never knew sadness isn't true. More like they have never experienced it on such a scale. A scale so big that everyone in Tazmily felt it. Let's consider the fact how for many chapters, you are told Lucas is a crybaby or is coddled. If he is known for that then this means it can explain that he feels sadness. But this sadness isn't the villagers sadness. Also while you say they did the zombie thing for fun and I agree with that, that fun could also lead to another hint, since there are two male zombies and two female zombies. So my headcannon states that the reason for Hinawa's death being the most tragic is simple. Everyone loved her. As for Flint, for all we know he talked to the Magypsies off screen. That's what I always figured at the very least. Or he heard from the frogs like Alec does. So that's how he could know about the needles and the dragon. Like how would he, Wess or Alec know they had to be there if not for a little guidance? Now like you, I'm not saying my headcannons are bulletproof. For the latter, mine is assumption with nothing concrete to back it aside from chapter 1 knowledge. And for the former, I can't say how the others acted for the deaths of those parents. It's just more assumption on my part. But that's just how I interpreted it.
It's optional, but if you go to where Hinawa's grave is in chapter 3 after you finish delivering Happy Boxes and Fassad rejoins your party, you can have Alec and Fassad meet. Alec makes a comment about how he wants nothing to do with Happy Boxes. That said, yeah, I wonder if Alec would have been able to deduce Fassad's identity from just seeing him…
Y'know pretty much everyone agrees that a premature death of violence or painful suffering is a million times more horrific than natural causes or a slow decline in health or approaching mortality with an ability to face it, grieve, emotionally reconcile with inevitability or seek peace or closure in a way that allows one to make peace with their condition or tell their loved ones how much they love them. It's..... honestly weird that you seem to have a hard time getting that, honestly.
...What? That's not what he said at all. Real. "I like pancakes" "So you hate waffles?" energy. It is true that Hinawa's death was uniquely horrific and unexpected. But it's also strange that these missing villagers don't get so much as a mention, as if they never existed at all. (Maybe because their existence is no longer canon, and the developers would rather we didn't think about it. Honestly, I think that's the most likely explanation, even if it isn't a very interesting one) I think both can be true at once.
@@laslosermcuseless1574 i mean thats what people said about gab then parlor then mastodon and then threads, but sure THIS time bluesky which is essentially a carbon copy of twitter, this one will catch on.
@@vossboss220 You're on a MOTHER 3 video... are you really that surprised that some would rather not use the space dominated by a fat, obnoxious manchild who gives himself total control and demands everybody think he's cool and love him?
SPOILERS: Definitely always found it funny they were so okay with Fassad lol. Though then again they seemed to be the same about the Magypsies. I guess they just think people can be "in the wild"? Though whoa, this is the first time hearing about the missing parents as plot hole element and I'm kinda surprised. Sure the kids are younger than Kumatora, and it was confirmed she arrived as an infant... but are we sure they _immediately_ erased their memories the _very second_ they came off the ship? While it's implied they did erase their memories to some degree of hurry leaving no time for background folklore, that isn't to say they didn't have some length of time between arrival and memory erasure. It wouldn't be too far fetched to think there was some stretch of time to settle in, make sure it was safe, plan out everything that they did, etc. Someone could have easily become pregnant shortly at arrival and who knows how many other people without parents could have died during this period - granted not a huge amount since they mentioned it was a few people brought over. Plus while Kumatora is older, we don’t have definitive ages ranges another aspect to consider. The age range for infants is up to a year, so Kumatora could have arrived at the cusp of 1 year old, while the other kids in game could be on the tail end of entering an older age and may be older than Lucas. Nana especially I feel looks notably older than Lucas both pre and post time skip sprites, and I think Fuel is perhaps older if I remember right. The window of age may be smaller than we think between Kumatora and the other kids, having the other kids possibly even conceived on the ship if the ages so aligned at perfect cut offs - though it at very least helps shortens the time from arrival to erasure if they waited for pregnancies or if the other parents were sick/dying. Between those aspects and the overall situation of Nowhere Islands, I don’t find it terribly odd, though still sad of course, that there are some missing parents; from what I was saying they'd never present at the Egg of Light initiation in the first place, which would make sense why nobody seems to notice/care they aren't there, and why Hinawa has such an impact. Phew, and that's all I have to say lol.
Mother 3 is so phenomenal that things that could be considered plotholes still open up a realm of discussion and analysis about the game lol. I think it’s a case of the overall narrative taking precedence over filling in every little gap, which it does do very well and has insane attention to detail in a lot of places. Guess some things just slip through the cracks!
I wish they also explained who that strange dog-like dude was that joined Lucas at Club Titiboo.
Yeah it's so strange that he randomly appears and boney disappeares, before disappearing and being replaced with boney so suddenly. And it's never explained???
It's a common misconceptions, the dog guy is actually Lucas in disguise, while Bonnie is disguised as Lucas
Honestly, I always thought it was Duster sneaking in to go see this Lucky person who looks like him.
On my interpretation i just think that Hinawa's death was so tragic was because of how graphic and tragic it was, while dying of diseases is tragic, maybe it wasn't considered that big of deal because at least these people would die surrounded by their loved ones and could pass away peacefully, while with Hinawa she died alone (maybe with the company of Claus, but wasn't her entire family) and in a very graphic way, so maybe that's why its a big shock to everyone
But i liked on interpretation too as well, it makes a lot of sense and a new context to her death, i just wanted to share my thoughts as well
I meant to say sad the second time, English isn't my first language so i tend to do silly mistakes like this sometimes lol
Yeah I always kinda felt like the general shock of her death came from it being a violent one, at the hands of an animal from a species that without the meddling of the pig mask army was fully pacifistic
Death was not what was new to the inhabitants of that place, but violence
It goes well with the themes of the game of sudden change and corruption to the nature and the world
Even a good amount of the "monsters" you fight are never implicitly killed by you fighting them
@@AaronL0905 thats my main thought as well
My understanding of the whole "Hinawa's death was a first for Tazmily" thing was that it wasn't necessarily the first PREMATURE death in the village, but it WAS the first VIOLENT death. There's a distinct TYPE of distress to someone having been KILLED rather than simply dying in an accident or of illness, especially in so peaceful a place, so I can see it still being a deeply and unusually traumatic event for the villagers even if it wasn't the first time someone had died in Tazmily.
Silly headcanon is that the old man you can randomly find in hot springs is Angie's dad and the woman you can randomly find in hot springs is Fuel's mom. Alternatively Caroline and Lighter are amicably divorced or had a fling or something and Fuel and Angie are siblings, and then the two random hot springs people are Nana's parents.
don't really see the plot hole, what they meant was Hinawa was brutally murdered and that doesn't happen here. People clearly die here they have a whole graveyard
Yeah this is stupid
True that's exactly what I was thinking too, it just isn't a plot hole
Personally I think that Hinawa's death was a tragedy because it was violent and sudden. Not all cultures and people see death as tragedy; for some it's peaceful, a natural way of things to go, maybe even a good thing, and with a close knit community a child missing a parent wouldn't be seen as something as impactful as in modern society because it's the whole village raising children and taking care of them. So dying from the old age or an illness is just... the end of suffering. It's slow and can be painful but it's still expected. But someone getting straight up murdered? That is beyond this understanding of death. It's not someone falling ill and being surrounded by their family as they exchange goodbyes, it's something completely different.
I think Tazmillians' understanding of the world is kinda like in The Giver. I recommend giving that book a try.
I love your pfp!
@PhantomOfficial07 thanks! It's my own edit
The "no strong emotions" rule when literally any mother 3 player:
i really thought this video was going to be about when they're about to pull the needle in tanetane island, and for some reason just decide to watch for 2 straight minutes as the pigmen come in, slowly set a carpet down and watch as the masked man just fucks them up and steals the needle.
like it wasn't even an ambush, they could've just pulled it and been done with it, and pulling a needle doesn't seem to take very long, they don't even look too tired to pull the needle after the fight
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They wanted to see what would happen
@@BananaFaceDude56 yeah
maybe porky was bored and thought it would be funny, idk
Eh, if they had pulled it then the pig masks would've killed them out of spite instead of just humiliating them
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Missing = / = death.
With the other missing parents like Fuel'a mom or Nana's father, its possible that the villagers still had hope those ppl would be found someday. With Hinawa, they had 100 percent confirmation through Bronson that this person was brutally killed.
I thought this was gonna be about how the game never properly explains what the bad guys actually want with the egg.
@@MrEnte3000 I would also consider that a plothole, but I think it comes down to Porky trying to get as much control and influence over the islands as possible. Not to mention in chapter 8 they show brainwashing and memory warping going on, so I think those elements are/were meant to tie into the egg…
I'm still bitter about that, not necessarily because it's a plot hole, but because it's a huge setup with little to no payoff at all. You spend half of the game trying to get the bloody egg and then it's never brought up again besides a tiny lore bit saying it contains the memories of everyone's past lives or something, which is information that never becomes relevant at any point in the story.
@@elfrangofritoAdding onto this, I thought it was strange how once they retrieved the egg, Duster regained his memories, but not his memories of his previous life and the old world. Why didn't he regain all of his memories, including the ones that had been sealed away?
There's also a line that implies not just Duster, but all of the members of the DCMC seemed to have suffered from amnesia. What's up with that? It's never expanded upon or mentioned again whatsoever.
@@doglikedude The DCMC were presumably brought to the Nowhere Islands by Porky, so their amnesia could be the Pigmask's doing in order to convince them to placate the citizens of Tazmily. This is only my speculation, though.
The Hummingbird egg 🤝 The apple of enlightenment
Being an important item with heavy lore implications but with little to no explanation in game.
Maybe the Flint thing with the needles is just a leftover from when he was initially planned to be a party member
Oh, it absolutely was. But as far as the final game goes, it comes off as a bit odd…
Nice video idea, I thought it was going to be about the Egg of Light / Hummingbird Egg but that might not have been as interesting! I haven’t really seen an explaination attempt for the lack of parents before…it’s a video topic that could only come from thinking a lot about EarthBound 64, which is your strong suit and helps your channel stand out from other MOTHER content creators. You did a good job of introducing a reason, then explaining why Tazmily’s blissfully ignorant inhabitants would have an innately optimistic look on missing persons.
I think what makes Hinawa's death so especially tragic is the way that she died. Not only was it graphic and violent, it was done by something that was previously viewed to be safe. Wildlife in general wasn't implied to be violent. Especially the Drago, which are seen playing with the kids. The Drago were almost part of the community itself, and now they're violent murderers.
i think it's mainly because of the mysterious nature of the forest fire and the fact that she was murdered by a drago, who were otherwise completely friendly to humans. it's a lot harder to emotionally comprehend violence like that than it is to cope with a tragedy that happens by chance or nature taking its course.
100% agree
This may be a little off topic but one thing i find very interesting about the villagers locking away their memories of the old world as to not make the same mistake as before, is that the need to ignore and not reflect upon their history is exactlly what made them susceptible to Fassad and Porkys influence later on, and i think that ignorance of the mistakes of before might explain some of the contradictions of tazmilly pre timeskip, like the comment made by mike, or the fact that pusher has a bigger house than everyone else or even how many of the villagers come off as dumb sometimes
Was going to comment this but you said it so much better than I could have, haha. They're still *the same humans* who participated in the apocalypse before the White Ship, and instead of /changing/, they just plugged their ears and shut their eyes...
What comment made by Mike?
My perspective on that thing is that
Maybe diseases and old age isn't considered as much of a tragedy as what happened to Hinawa
Sure, it's sad, but it's nothing that could shake a whole village. They have a graveyard, and the zombies that came out to attack Duster don't look like they were people that old, so they probably saw death that weren't old age related
Just yeah, the night Hinawa died everyone lost their mind, weird people were appearing and doing weird stuff, the forest was burning, strange creatures appeared seemingly out of nowhere. And a creature that was seen as peaceful was supposed to be the cause of that tragedy.
My take is, they aren't completely oblivious to tragic stuff, just that night was too much for the entire village, and the missing parents probably just saw death that were comprehensive by the villagers so they just kept living their lives normaly after that (I mean, you can even get antidotes and all at the beginning of the game at the trading shop of I remember correctly, so at least the idea that diseases are a thing and it's something that needs to be taken care of definitely is a thing in the village)
I think this was a left-over thing that was a scrapped plotline from the N64 version, where it was going to start off as a mystery where you're supposed to solve why residents of Tazmilly Village are suddenly disappearing and several incidents of chimeras and monsters suddenly appearing.
13:06 While convoluted, one explanation is that those Zombies are from after the people of the White Ship arrived in the Nowhere Islands, but before the establishment of the Tazmily Villagers and the memory wipe.
I would think, if I was playing the game with this theory in mind, that those zombies are some of the people that were presumed to have wandered off and are living elsewhere
Then we're lucky none of them spoiled the game for Duster, right then and there 💀
Come to think of it, the whole Leder story sounds like developer commentary that Itoi couldn't fully do what they wanted with Mother 3.
Perhaps it's for the best in hindsight, but I cannot help how awesome EB64 was suppose to be a very ambitious title for the N64/DD; only to die late. I don't care how choppy and weird the N64 aesthetic would have been, yet it would have been also fitting for the darkness & depth the scenes the gba scenes couldn't do. Majora's Mask is amazing for that reason; it's just got lucky it got finished within a strict deadline.
Solving problems for towns & other regions, only to lead up towards the main culprit behind it all. The openess of chapter 7 makes sense in the fact you can actually do it in a different order.
Maybe Flint wouldn't be able to save them all, but at least he tried. Like... that whole concept art of those hungry guys would have been rather macabre. Saving Claus on the other hand, won't be so lucky either.
I guess now we can take solace in the fact the Mother world has salvation, while we're here playing Mother 4 in the real world. The player's world.
My head canon regarding these missing villagers is just that the Pigmasks abducted them.
Now you may say “But the Pigmask’s never interacted with the Village before Fassad arrives.” True. But there is already infrastructure in place to facilitate Fassad and Salsa’s travel to Tazmilly. And in a case of wrong place wrong time Tobacco, Papa and any other villagers who saw them (say emerging from or building the gravestone exit) and were taken so that the Pigmask’s weren’t exposed to the village before they wanted.
I came into this video thinking "wait there's a plot hole in Mother 3?"
But after you said what the "plot hole" is I remembered how I was always confused about that. But I always thought that Hinawa's death was taken more seriously because it wasn't natural, and seemingly was done on purpose, and how it was a Drago that killed her. And Drago's were supposed to be peaceful creatures.
i think tazmilly village has seen people die, but those people have died happy knowing they lived their lives to the fullest, while hinawa's life was cut short, and she never got to live a complete fulfilling life. which is what made it so jarring to the people of tazmilly village
I think the Zombies in the Graveyard were people on the voyage to the Nowhere Islands, some probably died along the way and they were probably buried, then when they used the Hummingbird's Egg, they would forgot what was in the graveyard, this would make them be ignorant with Death while still having Dead people in the graveyard, which in that case the Zombies probably remembered what happened in the "previous world" which is kinda cool
The biggest plot hole is the disappearance of the localized version
maybe the childrens parents died before the hummingbird egg was made? which is why the chidren arent sad
Damn. Super depressing to think about the ONE guy actually acting and attempting to find someone who went missing was shunned for it. It's crazy that a society so SURE that the people who go missing are alive out there somewhere are also the types to actively mock a person for trying to FIND these said people
the time skip was at one point 10 years. Really think they should have kept that tbh.
I always imagined tazmilly village like a hippie free love commune where the children sometimes were "missing" a parent because their other parent is living with someone else at the moment. Their community is so tight knit that the idea of a nuclear family isn't the norm.
Tazmily village is like Cyprus when I was growing up. Being a tightly knit community is really not the dream everyone imagines it to be.
just got this in my recommended. that is an interesting plothole. never thought about it til now.
I have a huge whole in your theory: the zombie lady who tells duster: look how much you’ve grown duster. Or something like that. But how did she know that unless she died after the egg of light.
Well, people did keep their old names from their previous identities, according to Leder.
It's not that they're just making assumptions that there more villages out there. It's part of the specific "story" that they made for themselves before wiping their own memories. If the rest of the world doesn't exist, then they might start asking uncomfortable questions, like where the things they do have in their little village came from.
I think questions like "where does Nana sleep?" probably fall more under the concept of game abstraction, rather than actual plot holes. It's like how houses in mother 1 and 2 were often just a single room with a chair, table, and lamp. I don't think we're meant to believe these people actually live like that, it's just set dressing we're supposed to fill out.
Mother 3 does the same thing, but it also feels more out of place because the world is generally more fleshed out. Then they do something very clever; they use the uncanny feeling produced by this abstraction to play into the fact that this world is a little off, because it's been manufactured. It's self aware int the way they it blurs that line.
I'd argue the biggest plothole in Mother 3 is how we don't know why Locria (Fassad) betrayed the other magypsies. Were they always power-hungry by nature and saw the pigmasks as an opportunity to gain it? Or were they simply brainwashed by Porky at some point before the game? There is that unused cutscene of Lucas and co. supposedly meeting Locria as a normal magypsy which implies that they were brainwashed the whole time as Fassad and there was a scrapped plot point of Locria becoming un-brainwashed somehow. The more I think, the more I lean toward Locria being brainwashed as not only does the mouse at Locria's house say that they were kind to them, a contrast to how we see Fassad treat animals. But also how brainwashing is pretty much Porky's MO for gaining followers. All the nameless NPCs, the citizens of Tazmily and even Claus are all victims of Porky's brainwashing in some way so it makes the most sense that's what happened. Especially given how powerful the magypsies are canonically, it would be a huge boon for Porky to have one on his side so he snatched up Locria and made them yet another pawn.
I think the answer is pretty simple. They weren't brainwashed. I don't think any of the characters were. Its just how fascism works.
I've seen the depiction that they were just bored. After living their life as a Magypsy for who knows how long, Porky offered them a change of pace and let them leave their old life behind. Either way, I feel like it's one of those things that doesn't need to be explained, because the lack of explanation makes it more interesting to think about.
Unrelated but sort of: I have a theory that the Needles and dark dragon/masked man were never part of Porky’s original plan; notice how they never come into his plans until chapter 4 (one pig mask mentions the dark dragon in relation to the clayman factory, but I don’t remember the exact line), but after Porky captured Claus, Fassad was able to awaken PK Love in him like Ionia did for Lucas, and that spiraled into that whole thing
@@SYXG98 You get it.
@@BananaFaceDude56 It’s actually implied that the Magypsies helped awaken Pk Love in Claus. They said they gave him PSI in chapter 1 when he wanted to avenged Hinawa’s death.
I imagine that the zombies could be people that died on the white ship during the voyage and were layed to rest in the village or simply just people that died of natural causes.
As years go by, Mother 3 only becomes more relevant.
The died naturally instead of getting mauld to death
One additional thing I’d like to mention is the assumption of traditional family structures. Single parents with one of the two parents just deciding mutually that they didn’t want to be the parent of a child with the other one wanting it is valid and can leave to just as good outcomes.
Frankly, I'm not suprised to find the villagers being apathetic and minimally effected by everything. IMO, empathy and sympathy rely on a shared experience and/or history. Meanwhile, the whole nature of their village is based upon the erasure of what came before.
The reason that their village was 'utopian' was not due to aspects of the village itself being 'good' but merely that it lacked a corrupting force. Which is why it took so little time for the village to be so thoughly 'changed' by Porky's takeover.
I thought this was going to be about how Dr. Andonuts looks the same despite experiencing the same time travel that crippled Porky.
Porky abused the hell out of time/space travel, Andoughnuts probably made those leaps like a handful of times.
I just figured the Egg not only took memories, it brainwashed a little.
Maybe not now I think about it.
God, I love your Mother 3 videos. Thank you for this.
New Jonathan upload, let’s fucking go!!!!
@@flippant_foe hell yeah and a comment from Khaj, liiiiit
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I always assumed they were kidnapped by porky so they could easily infiltrate tazmilly.
Eh, just stick a needle in this plot hole and hope someone doesn't end the world.
A plot hole I can think of is how the ending scene implies the characters were reborn in a world and everyone is fine.
The problem is, in the credits Porky shows up in his spider mech bed, alongside pigmasks.
Meanwhile, mr. Itoi suggests that Porky is still inside the ASC, pretty much stuck in the rubbles of the old world as I like to poetically call it.
I always figured it was a matter of "no one here has ever been killed by another living being. It's always been disease or old age or an accident involving weather or the environment."
This is a great headcanon, lots of theories don't really takee into account the thematic reasons it could be true so I like that you did
Yay, love when funi Puyo guy uploads Mother 3 stuff
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Not just that, but throughout the whole game nana is ignored and not helped by anyone at all.
Really interesting analysis!! I haven’t heard much discussion about Tazmily’s people and haven’t thought much about this plot hole, so this was very enjoyable :)
as an Umineko fan, the missing bodies theory rubs me in all the right ways :3
fiction locked inside the catbox becomes reality
An even bigger question is how Papa had kids at 12
Also couldn’t they have been Brainwas-I mean Recruited into the New Pork army and been like what happened with capitalism?
We see this happen later on with villagers anyway and we do see Pigmasks at the start of the game so it could not just be the parents who left but those who went after them eventually leaving no one left who cared enough to go look.
This is exactly what we see happen with Flint
The original concept of the game was also detective work so this could have been the master case
Wow! Great explanation. So cool. I really like your truly thoughtful analysis.
Very interesting video, Jonathan!
I find it interesting you brought up how Tazmily pre-Faccad seemingly had problems.
An interpretation of mine has always been that, post-Faccad Tazmily wasn't all that bad, and that the story isn't trying to glorify naturism or completely antagonize industrialism. It was a time where there was still a semblance of community- and yeah some people weren't as close as before, but many people were still pretty happy, people found new things to like, and there was a LOT more people around too. While it may seem apathetic, I think villagers were right that Flint needed to let Claus go- He was neglecting both his own life and Lucas's, and the world around him, and it wasn't doing him any good. Searching for Claus didn't make him "one of the good people remaining in the village", it made him a husk of himself.
I think there's a lot to explore about the themes of the game's setting that go beyond simply "Village good city bad."
One question I have about Mother 3 is who the pigmasks were at the beginning of the game. Later on, we see some of the villagers working in the clayman factory, but they obviously couldn't have been the ones blowing up the forest. I don't think we get any insight as to who they were or where they came from. (Maybe its some kind of mind control?) I still think its something interesting to think about.
Porky took people from a different time into the nowhere islands.
It's how Dr Andonuts and the Pigmask that resembles Applekid. It could be possible that the process of taking missing people and mind controlling them could be a thing.
However, the Pigmasks in the early game were very quick to throw bombs and operate machines. They must have been soldiers at the very least. Most likely the same soldiers who are responsible for the world to effectively be Post-War that the White Ship didn't want to repeat.
I didn't know Mother 3 had a plot hole. If anything was perfect in this world, I thought it'd be Mother 3.
A few questions
When do the pigmasks arrive to the Nowhhere Islands? The game reads as if they got there the night of Hinawas death despite the fact that theres an aleeady established Pigmask lab in the middle of the desert, not to mention its various subways and connections to other areas, which begs the questions, Did they make the lab? When did they make it? Why is it so rundown? Then we have the plothole of Duster's limp being completely uncurable, as Pk Lifeup and Pk Heal do nothing to affect it even though it's heavily implied that those spells heal physical injuries, also how heavy do all the party members have be to sink directly down into the ocean floor? Wouldn't water pressure tear them apart? Why did the White Ship People freely give away the recently orphaned newborn (Kumatora) to a bunch of random hippie strangers that happened to be living on the islands? Whats the deal with Master Eddie? Why was his first instinct upon seeing a group of humans to throw hands? Is he working with the Pigmasks? Is he a chimera of sorts?? Why does Wess know so much about the history of Osohe Castle despite the fact that it was long abandoned by the time the White Ship had arrived? How does he know about the Osohe dance?? Why did the people of Osohe Castle leavw? Wasn't the island hidden away from the rest of the world? If so then there wasn't risk of invaders?? Those were just a few of my questions about the game.
The villagers got Capitalism'd! Nooo!
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Missing parents doesn't mean dead parents. Got no dad? Mom doesn't know who the dad is. Got no parents at all? They just didn't want you... ok, that might be a bit too dark.
I think plotholes like this are fine. No game has to make sense to begin with. The message is the most important thing & the story primarily serves to deliver that message.
Interpret the story however you will. But if you dare tell me that Ness is Hot Dog man, I will put you on a rocket & send you to the sun
Ness is Hot Dog Man. Show me whatchu got.
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I think the term 'tragedy' allows for a bit of vagueness. I think the main difference between Hinawa's death and say, a disappearance at sea or dying of sickness, is that the sea is innately dangerous, the sick can be said goodbye to. Hinawa was suddenly murdered by a creature that is known to be peaceful, during a regular trip to visit her father, and Flint never got to properly say goodbye. It is a complete gut punch from Tazmily's perspective.
Edit: Not to say I don't respect your interpretation; it's very cogent to point out that Tazmily has dystopian elements even before Porky, given the aggressive 'good vibes only' policy that forces Tazmily folk to just... not think about tragedy.
13:00 Flint was originally supposed to be playable for much more of the game as a party member
You're literally trying to school the teacher.
One of the biggest sins is how Flint was written off for most of the game. They didn't need to make him playable in the last stretch to then wipe out everyone but Lucas in the finale. Felt like a waste. Bonney and Lucas getting joined by Flint at least until Kumatora and Duster gets picked back up like how they originally wrote it I think would have been more staisfying. Like, lol, my mom and brother are dead, if family is such a strong overtoned theme in the story wouldn't being on this adventure with my dad at least give me that glint of hope I need to make it through the darkest chapters when all hope seems lost?
@ exactly it’s sad they cut that part at least someone is making a hack that brings all the cut content including Flint back
I never properly thought about this, it’s indeed very weird that the people never seems to think about those missing people until Hinawa’s death, but I always thought that they died by disease or by natural causes, which is why the graveyard exists in the first place, while Hinawa’s death was caused by a violent action.
But there are many other plotholes that were unresolved, like for example, what happened to the white ship? Was the white ship a boat? A navel? Or a spaceship of sorts? The spaceship theory makes sense due to the civilization that ended the world being apparently very developed, to the point of them being able to make things like the hummingbird egg, and them being in a rush to what they were gonna do then, or maybe it was a navel made of wood? Which would explain why it never appears in game, and how Tazmily’s buildings were built.
Also, why Locria berñtrayed the other Magypsies? Why join to Porky? That was never remotely explained, nor why he/she wanted to wake the dragon.
Hey! Did you read my other comment? It outright confirms how this plot hole greatly fits into the story
off topic from the video but mildly related. I just remembered this because I saw Dr andonuts and Wess in the same thumbnail of a video and just remembered Andonuts shows up towards the end after Porky goes into his absolutely safe capsule. Andonuts is here but not Jeff, his son who was a main character in Earthbound/Mother 2. We do not see any of the main characters in Earthbound/Mother 2 until we get to New Pork City, where we see a recollection of the events of Earthbound in a movie, and items related to them such as a baseball bat and a hat, either as replicas or sometimes the real thing. Since the people of Tazmilly are the last people on Earth, it's safe to assume our 4 kids of Earthbound are fucking dead. Tbf it could be assumed they are somewhere else, but it is highly unlikely, and I think that's surreal that the characters you grew to love so much in the previous game are just not alive anymore with no drama like with Hinawa's death. They're just gone like the rest of the people outside of Tazmilly. To top it all of Dr Andonuts probably doesn't even remember that he has a dead son because all the people who were left had their memories erased. Ness, Paula, Jeff, and Poo were all literally forgotten about
What about the other big plot hole of Locaria/Fassad who betrayed the Magypsies and sided with Porky despite never stated why he did it?
scamp also died post time-skip and no one seems to care either. scamp would be 2nd noticed death after hinawa (if my memory is right). despite this death being noticed, the villagers dont seem to care much because happy boxes made them apathetic
1:37 it actually starts
Whose idea was it to model the zombies after Claus and Hinawa?
I think your interpretation is on the ball.
I think the contrast of the innocence and the darker elements works really well to establish so much in the game. On that level its definitely written to be one of those "If you think about it, thats kinda fucked up isn't it" kind of stories.
More Mother 3 content wooo! Also, i can't believe that they removed the chimera zombie from the final game, it looks cool
12:22 In the Ocean, She's a mermaid
What about the graveyard
My only question is why Dr.Andonuts is in Mother 3 idk if I missed something but I've always wondered that
Porky kidnapped him from the world of EarthBound and forced him into servitude.
Never thought about this actually.
I can't remember if this is explained in the game, but where do all the pigmask army men come from?
It's said by Leder that Porky brought them from other eras, both the Pigmasks and the regular denizens of New Pork City.
I can see your headcannon and give my own! Why was Hinawa's death so tragic? I think it's more simple than missing villagers. It's all said in one simple line. "Everyone loved Hinawa."
Basically saying it as they never knew sadness isn't true. More like they have never experienced it on such a scale. A scale so big that everyone in Tazmily felt it.
Let's consider the fact how for many chapters, you are told Lucas is a crybaby or is coddled. If he is known for that then this means it can explain that he feels sadness. But this sadness isn't the villagers sadness.
Also while you say they did the zombie thing for fun and I agree with that, that fun could also lead to another hint, since there are two male zombies and two female zombies.
So my headcannon states that the reason for Hinawa's death being the most tragic is simple. Everyone loved her.
As for Flint, for all we know he talked to the Magypsies off screen. That's what I always figured at the very least. Or he heard from the frogs like Alec does. So that's how he could know about the needles and the dragon. Like how would he, Wess or Alec know they had to be there if not for a little guidance?
Now like you, I'm not saying my headcannons are bulletproof. For the latter, mine is assumption with nothing concrete to back it aside from chapter 1 knowledge. And for the former, I can't say how the others acted for the deaths of those parents. It's just more assumption on my part. But that's just how I interpreted it.
is it ever stated that the paren't died or is it just that they simply when missing
So from what I remember Alek never meets Fassad right? I wonder if he would of know they where a Magypsie
It's optional, but if you go to where Hinawa's grave is in chapter 3 after you finish delivering Happy Boxes and Fassad rejoins your party, you can have Alec and Fassad meet. Alec makes a comment about how he wants nothing to do with Happy Boxes. That said, yeah, I wonder if Alec would have been able to deduce Fassad's identity from just seeing him…
This was one of the biggest plotholes of Mother 3?
I figured that nan and nana were related and the family just didn’t like her
I feel like the egg of light is a bigger plot hole personally.
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Y'know pretty much everyone agrees that a premature death of violence or painful suffering is a million times more horrific than natural causes or a slow decline in health or approaching mortality with an ability to face it, grieve, emotionally reconcile with inevitability or seek peace or closure in a way that allows one to make peace with their condition or tell their loved ones how much they love them. It's..... honestly weird that you seem to have a hard time getting that, honestly.
...What? That's not what he said at all. Real. "I like pancakes" "So you hate waffles?" energy.
It is true that Hinawa's death was uniquely horrific and unexpected. But it's also strange that these missing villagers don't get so much as a mention, as if they never existed at all. (Maybe because their existence is no longer canon, and the developers would rather we didn't think about it. Honestly, I think that's the most likely explanation, even if it isn't a very interesting one) I think both can be true at once.
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I really want to watch this but I'm still only on chapter 5 😭
sorta reminds me of young town from mother 1
I'm still early into the video, but I'll try to guess.
Is it about the Seventh Needle?
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You're overthinking the sentence. "Hinawa's death was a first for Tazmily" simply means its the first time Hinawa died.
It's obviously not death itself that hasn't happened, but like others said, the first *violent* death. It isn't a plot hole at all...
That is... not a really interesting "plot hole"
why make a bluesky when everyone is on twitter?
People are rapidly escaping the depths of twitter, never to return.
@@laslosermcuseless1574 i mean thats what people said about gab then parlor then mastodon and then threads, but sure THIS time bluesky which is essentially a carbon copy of twitter, this one will catch on.
@@vossboss220 bsky's user count right now isn't like those other times
@LilacMonarch whatever you say. Still eclipsed by Twitter
@@vossboss220 You're on a MOTHER 3 video... are you really that surprised that some would rather not use the space dominated by a fat, obnoxious manchild who gives himself total control and demands everybody think he's cool and love him?
Liberal content creators should just post their videos on blue sky where they belong.
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Definitely always found it funny they were so okay with Fassad lol. Though then again they seemed to be the same about the Magypsies. I guess they just think people can be "in the wild"?
Though whoa, this is the first time hearing about the missing parents as plot hole element and I'm kinda surprised. Sure the kids are younger than Kumatora, and it was confirmed she arrived as an infant... but are we sure they _immediately_ erased their memories the _very second_ they came off the ship? While it's implied they did erase their memories to some degree of hurry leaving no time for background folklore, that isn't to say they didn't have some length of time between arrival and memory erasure. It wouldn't be too far fetched to think there was some stretch of time to settle in, make sure it was safe, plan out everything that they did, etc. Someone could have easily become pregnant shortly at arrival and who knows how many other people without parents could have died during this period - granted not a huge amount since they mentioned it was a few people brought over.
Plus while Kumatora is older, we don’t have definitive ages ranges another aspect to consider. The age range for infants is up to a year, so Kumatora could have arrived at the cusp of 1 year old, while the other kids in game could be on the tail end of entering an older age and may be older than Lucas. Nana especially I feel looks notably older than Lucas both pre and post time skip sprites, and I think Fuel is perhaps older if I remember right. The window of age may be smaller than we think between Kumatora and the other kids, having the other kids possibly even conceived on the ship if the ages so aligned at perfect cut offs - though it at very least helps shortens the time from arrival to erasure if they waited for pregnancies or if the other parents were sick/dying.
Between those aspects and the overall situation of Nowhere Islands, I don’t find it terribly odd, though still sad of course, that there are some missing parents; from what I was saying they'd never present at the Egg of Light initiation in the first place, which would make sense why nobody seems to notice/care they aren't there, and why Hinawa has such an impact.
Phew, and that's all I have to say lol.