308 vs Steel: Bullets Make A BIG Difference
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- In today's video, we will be testing 20 different bullets loaded in the 308 Winchester to see how they compare on mild steel. Testing was done at 50 yards using A529 Grade 55 mild steel. Thanks for watching!
Nearly all of the projectiles used were purchased as pulled bullets, some of which are only offered in factory ammunition normally.
These tests are meant for entertainment and educational purposes only. Shooting steel can be dangerous, so do not try any of these tests at home!
V1 gettin hammered
The posts are just about as bent as the banana in the intro lol
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As a ballistic nerd myself this has genuinely and actually becoming my favorite gun channel lol
I love your straight to the point no BS format, man. Apparently simple videos, but lots of work behind them, and great info.
I watched your video on .308 vs 7.62×51mm prior to this one and the 7.62 won by I think less than a 1/4" so I bet if you loaded that special bullet into the 7.62 round it would punch through the 1"er . Great content in your videos , we really do appreciate you !
Dang that’s a lot of work just to keep us informed!! As a 308 guy, I thoroughly enjoyed this video! Thanks and keep up the good work sir!
This was the best ballistics test and performance for you yet. Congratulations.
Love .308, its such a good balance.
Overall a very interesting test, and I've been loving the channel
One thing people forget is that a copper bullet bullet can go through steel better than lead, IF it's not a hollow point, because it's not only about bullet material, but also bullet design, and this might be a more interesting test to me because of that
While, yes copper is in general, a harder metal than lead, all of those bullets where a hollow point of some sort, and from what I have seen, those copper HPs have pretty violent expansion very quickly and will not penetrate that deeply, and I think it's because they're not really a solid piece of copper, they have tiny grooves inside so that they'll expand more easily
Another thing is that copper is indeed harder than lead, but it doesn't have that high of a tensile strength either, so it's pretty maleable, brass one the other hand can have up to double the hardness depending on the composition and I would bet that a pointy brass bullet would go through a lot more
Not a gun guy, never was in my 30 years on this Earth, I’m a very curious guy that thinks random thoughts from time to time, and that what brought me here.
Honestly, I enjoyed the whole video. You’re very entertaining and have good music taste.
I have always been amazed at how far the 308 can punch through steel. Shot a lot of mild steel in the 90s, up to 3/4", and the 308 always impressed.
Thank you for an Excellent video. It took a lot of time and preparation to complete. I’m at the crossroads of buying my next rifle but haven’t decided on a 308 or 65 Creedmoor. However after viewing your (2) 308 videos I’m looking for a 308 rifle. 😊
the standard 150gr Soft Point was actually pretty impressive for being the least expensive bullet up there.
Im really surprised at the potency of that 308 AP round. Most things struggle with the 3/4 plate but its just like "Thank you sir, may i have another?"
Well it's an actual armor piercing round so it should do much better than the standard rounds.
You also understand that this is only mild steel not hardened AR500 steel which is used for Armor and a Armor piercing bullet can’t even go through 1 inch of mild steel that’s really not that good. I have thick steel here and different grades of steel here to their hardnesses are so different
Well yeah, with mild steel most bullets will have trouble with 3/4 of an inch of steel over half an inch. Steel Plate can stop most things, but the armour piercing failed to penetrate 1 inch plate, but remember mild steel is not as hard as some of the other grades Like 500 grade and 600 grade rifle rounds, barely leave a mark on the plate with those grades
Wow are AP bullets legal ??😲
@@wallychambe1587Technically, in thr USA, yes. However, due to how rare and expensive they are. They are very difficult to find. Usually through a private seller that may or may not have a acquired them through less than legal means, but once you have purchased them, you bought them legally in a private sale, and it is legal for you to possess them.
Well done. Thank you for all the time, energy and resources. Good information and demonstration. Interesting results. I was under the impression that the all copper were more likely to penetrate more than the lead core.
Same here. I thought copper would do way better than lead
I was thinking that as well. Copper hasn’t performed well in the 6.5 CM or the 308, so we’ll have to see if it can do better in anything larger
okay, voiceover on top of your catchphrases, hilarious.
The old .30-06 AP2 bullets are so hard because they are center less ground essentially tool steel cores. Even later 1980s IMI “penetrators” can’t touch the old WW2 stuff.
Every once in a great while I happen to read a comment that is truly interesting and educational.
Thank you for this comment.
It makes sense why some of these AP rounds are capable of penetrating 3/4 inch steel. That is nuts!
World War 2 must have been unimaginable. The Greatest Generation. God, how I miss my grandfather...
What a surprisingly interesting video! Thank you for your hard work!
I'm baffled by the copper bullets LACK of performance on mild steels, seeing as they can INCREASE chance of penetration on hardened steels. Some interesting physics going on here.
I agree, especially considering that it is harder than lead and has a much higher melting point
I wholeheartedly agree. It has to be related to the failure mode.. Mild steels tend to flow in a plastic manner (relatively) whereas the hardened steels are going to be a brittle failure. Maybe the milder steels as they are "flowing" away absorb more energy? I'm not sure of the answer.. but seeing a SMK outperform a barnes blows on ANY steel blows my mind.
Great video man. 11/10.
I will test Barness TTSX vs 3/8" harden steel. 175gr SMK did not go through it. if TTSX won't penn then I'll repeat the test with 300WM 190gr SMK and 180gr TTSX and TSX (TSX supose to be the "hardest" copper bullet. That should show if hardened steel vs mild steel is a factor with weak copper penetration.
@@JohnyBravo44did u ever test it?
It's called Sectional density .. . Copper won't penetrate more than lead on steel. Brass of course is a different story 😊
My favorite gun Channel. Thanks for the great content 👍
I really appreciate it!
My favorite ballistic channel. Great job my friend. Here I thought the 1/2 was undefeated, then 😮 AP 30-06 very impressive.
Truly enjoyed the video!! Thank you for making this!
Sidenote: I did not expect the baritone voice, got that James Earl Jones vibe! 😂
Awesome video brother I love the 308
If you find a piece of wood that fit the track underneath your plate holder then through couple small hole and put a couple of screw through to the wood below. This should help hold the plate more most stable. Put a strong magnet on the bottom would help
Interesting performance on those rounds .
Thank you for your efforts sie !
I wish there was like a 308 club that people could do things together to help get new rounds out .
Awesome and super informative videos....a lot of work too. Can you imagine the impact of these videos on the sales of these ammo 😮
If you happen to have a 30-06 and more of those penetrators, I think that would be an awesome test!!!! 😁😁😁
Was coming to ask you to do this with the 30-06! I second this request!
@@johncee853 The 30-06 AP will go through the 1" for sure. More than that? I dunno.
It will also go through 1/2" AR500 as long as you're using fresh powder loads.
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This channel rules! Solid info, funny presentation, and sharp editing. Love it!
I wonder if that same bullet in its native fully loaded 30-06 case would have punched through, given how close it came out of .308. Seems like the extra 100-150fps would have done the trick.
I think so, I might have to try it out
@@bananaballistics I've read online that those M2 3006 bullets loaded into a 300 win mag really increase the potency
Alexander I believe you are correct sir. That increase in velocity is the difference. M2 AP out of a Garand will pass through 1" mild steel @100 yards.
😮Absolutely fantastic thank you 😊
Nice experiment. I would like to see the plate mounted in a fashion where it could not move during impact. I think some of the energy is being deflected
Damn bro you should really buy a Surface grinding machine Love your videos
You should try that same ap round out of a 300 mag
What rifle sre you using for this tests?
Very good videos!!
Keep it up!!
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Time to test the .30-30. Use the common 150 and 170gr loads.
I watched a video of you with a much much higher voice and you sound a lot better
Thanks for everything!!
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Hi, Internet Expert here.
To what degree does the metal plate and mount flexing effect the penetration? Is there more energy absorbing rebound near the top of the plate vs the bottom?
Also whats with dubbing that voice over your own?
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When the steel runs it's course do ballistic glass next 👍
Who s 150 grain interlock(Brand name) Thank you for all the testing!
If it was in a 30-06 fired by an M1 Garand it would have gone through. Also take a look at what type of 30-06 AP round you have there were 4 or 5 different kinds if I recall. AND the 167 or 172gr (can't remember the exact weight) AP type have better penetration. I'll bet they would have gone through the 1" too. You forgot to mention what powder and how much you reloaded with. I'll bet if you pushed the load to 105% it would have gone through the 1" too. If you used a 26" barrel it might have gone through also. Really nice work by the way, other than Going Ballistic your "experiment" was way up there as far as youtube content goes.
Also the reason they're all over the place is the twist rate of the barrel... 190gr isn't gonna like 1 in 10.. 1 in 12 will be better.. 147gr probably wont quite like 1:10 either..
If that ap bullet was in the 3006 it would have went through
I would like to see you load one a little heavy and put one of those AP rounds in it. I think that might get through the 1 inch plate. Or better yet do it with a .30.06.
Copper is harder than lead so im baffled as to why it doesn't penetrate as well as lead. I have some ideas about how to make an AP bullet.
Can you do a test on 300 win mag ?😄
Now we need to see that bullet loaded in a 300 win mag. I can see thst having a chance against that 1 inch steel with an extra 400 or so fps
im one of those people, 308, 270 and 30-06... depending on training, are pretty interchangeable. I don't like eating deer my favorite is elk - i have had a nice dinner with some sweet peanut butter sauce with all 3 calibers. just train and hit the spot you need. all of the calibers will bring home the meat.
This channel is gonna hit the 100K sub count this year! I'm calling it now @bananaballistics
Super awesome 😎 video dude!! It was great!! I’m looking at mossberg mvp scout rifle and I think I’m gonna spring for it this week!!! I subscribe also!! Great job brother!!!
Time to test them in 30-06
You could get through 1/2 inch stainless with 147 fmj, you should try it
I thought the solid copper would do better. Thanks for all that grinding.
throughout the video I was waiting for one to break the "magical" 3281 fps-barrier... that is 1000 m/s
The soft point penetrated deeper than the FMJ? Weird.
Aswome , i like the 308 that is good to know ,
Seriously digging your vids man. Thanks for doing these.
How much and what kind of powder did you use in the AP round
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Unfortunately I can’t give load data to hamsters, but I was using imr 4064 in all the loads
Bet if you pushed that AP round a little faster, it would have punched through.
Did I miss it? At what distance from the steel are you shooting at? And what wer the relative velocities of the steel piercing rounds?
Really hope you did any evaluation between shots. There's no way to keep all those straight
Big shout out to V1 for making this test possible.
Super awesome video! ❤ I didn't know you could speak Japanese!?! Have you considered doing a cameo in the Godzilla series? 😎 I would SO watch that!!! You would kick his butt. 🤣🤣🤣
Still waiting for a voiceover company to reach out lol
Where did you get the shell catcher
“I’m glad that fell out because I need to redo that last shot”
*hits the same exact spot
I’m looking everywhere for that 163 gr ap where do you find it??
Can you do the 5.56 equivalent some day?
Bro tested types of .308 Winchester I didn't even know existed 💀
So basically that if a 1 inch Mild Steel Plate was inside a bullet-proof vest and it can stop. A Armor piercing round from a rifle? It’s basically up to a level 4 protection see bullet-proof vest start from level one and go up to level four
this means that any AP round wiould go trought... the problem is the inner core of the bullet not the propelent on .308
Oh good, still testing on mono layer steel. For a moment I was worried you found my comment. Maybe I should be carful not to leak how our armor is made.
What suprise me the most is that Copper does penetrate less then Lead on Steel, Lead is way softer then Copper i dont get it in my Head why ... but ok i have seen your 6.5 Video as well
What’s the twist rate in the rifle??
Penetration testing!! Been doing that for years…
How exactly does someone forget a magazine?
Would the 30-06 ap go through 1” though? 🤔
Might have to try it out
Generally most 30-06 M2AP is going to fall within the same velocity that he was getting here.
If you're willing to share your load data for the 163gn AP rounds, I'm willing to share some 163gn AP projectiles.
What distance are the targets?
Wheres the midway USA coupon tho?
Looked like the 3/8 plate was starting bend
Yes, mild steel is pretty tough. Majority of the 308 rounds have trouble going through half inch mild steel, and then even the armour piercing round which is armour piercing couldn’t even penetrate one inch of mild steel. Mild steel is not armour plate but it can be still used as armour if it’s very thick I’m just saying mild steel is pretty strong I have a plate of 350 grade mild steel that’s 80 mm thick just little bit over 3 inches no 50 BMG AP round will go through that
That is a serious piece of steel! Can’t imagine what that weighs
@@bananaballistics the plate I have is 600mm long by 500mm wide by 80mm thick and it weighs 186kg very heavy
@@bananaballistics I even have a steel plate that’s 2 inches thick of grade 450 steel which is almost as hard as AR500
@@bananaballistics but get some Armor piercing black tip-for the 338 lupia and see how much of mild steel you can penetrate so use off cuts of steel like say 1 inch, 1 1/4 inch, 1 1/2 inch, 1 3/4 inch and 2 inches see how much mild steel it can go through
Surprised that AP round don’t penetrate 1 inch plate. I tested 7,62x39 AP and API from 16 inch barrel at the distance of 15 meters and they penetrated 20mm mild steel.
That is very impressive performance. I was thinking it had a chance with the 1” as well
@@bananaballistics I’m sure that 20mm of mild steel is a maximum penetration for 7,62x39 AP.
No it didn't.
Liberty ammo makes a 100grn solid copper round that clocks a average of 3402 fps
Looks like the sled arms are bending
I wonder if taking a wooden or plastic door wedge and tapping that into the plate holder would make it more stable and less likely to have the plate fall out when it gets hit?
You are probably right. Steel sled v3 is going to make an intro in a future video, so we’ll have to see how it does
You look exactly like my cousin Georgie. Are you from Chicago?
9.3x62 vs 338win mag please
now load those black tips in a 300 ultra mag if you wanna see some shit.
.223 Wylde .30/30 Winchester. .243 Win. 150gr FMJ. 78 gr (5 g) Lehigh Defense CQ110 gr (7 g) Hornady Black V-MAX24 in (610 mm) barrel short-barreled rifle.?!.
Where do you get these bullets?
The last bullet, the AP round, he hand loaded himself I would assume.
The rest are just normal civilian .308 rounds that you can buy at your local gun or sporting goods store.
Copper is a hunting round... Not really meant for steel... :P
what was the black bullet?
It was pulled from an '06 so I assume it was an M2AP pill. An 80 grain .244" diameter penetrator, with a 54 degree angle tip and a hardness of around 62 Rockwell.
Have you shot the AP round out of the 30-06?
Where did yo get an AP bullet to put in the 308??😲
Shh
@@bunberrier OK, 😁😁
M80A1? M80A1? M80A1? M80A1? Aw, it’s just M2AP, already tested that one myself in the M1. Obviously in .30-06 though.
I need to get some of those! The 30-06 probably did a little better
@@bananaballistics If you want some M80A1 reach out to me. You do good work and don't mind helping out..
What music are you playing
I didn’t know everybody loves Raymond had a gun channel
I can't help but think if 30.06 ap would have made it threw 1" ???hmmm
Might just have to test it out to find out