Teaching Icy Mike to Kali Stick Fight | Using what you know & adapting to weaponry | Lameco Eskrima
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I cannot figure out if I'm excited to learn stick fighting or scared.
Cant wait to see you try out buhurt next 🤣
Oh and the one handed weapon spin is used a lot in wmfc fighting to disguise level change and shot placement
Don’t know what to expect so you?
Excited! The fear makes you feel alive man.
Mike, now that you are learning some kali, you should look into balintawak. I feel like balintawak addresses some of the issues you have stated with using sticks/batons, where an attacker could get past your effective striking range. Balintawak eskrima in particular remedies this by involving boxing techniques with the stick on-hand, which I think would mesh well with your style
This shows the importance of footwork. Mike is a “white belt” that would kill most other white belts because his footwork from other disciplines translates to this.
footwork is key
@Aiden Fisher you have to move ur feet to generate power from ur hips. So no youre wrong.
@Aiden Fisher 1 inch punch? Are you still watching Bruce lee movies dude? Its 2021. You obviously think you are much more powerfull than you really are. I suggest you train any mma first instead of watching Bruce lee movies and thinking ur the shit.
@Aiden Fisher okay you focus on power and all the guys that focus on footwork can focus on hitting you and somehow when you go to counter, they’ll be just an inch out of your reach. Thats the power of footwork. But it also means more power in general
@Aiden Fisher write less. Know more. You’re justifying being wrong, thats okay. If it makes you happy.but you’ve demonstrated to everyone you’re one of those “for the streets” guys. No logic, only feelings.
His flashlight game is gonna be too strong now
In the discipline of swordsmanship I've studied, we call that spin a moulinet and it is devastating when done right. So people who say don't spin your weapon have never studied a system where that is utilised.
Why and When would you use it?
I'm not sure if the term 'devastating', could be justified for a technique with such a loose grip, please elaborate
@@Muppen01 reverse moulinet to the wrist to change the line of attack for you weapon after you bait the extension, which then leaves you in position to follow up with another reverse moulinet to the temple or pterion, back of the head or set up for a stroke to the groin. As one example.
You could use a forward moulinet to break a pattern that you set up when you force your opponent onto the defensive or to apply more force to set up a pattern.
@@johannesstephanusroos4969 I mean I could break someone's wrist or elbow with a reverse moulinet with a stick type weapon. The grip isn't loose at the point of impact. The grip is only loose for that split second it is in motion and then as you strike the target you tighten your hand on the weapon. You can also use a staggered moulinet as a feint.
The weapon also should never be completely loose when done properly. The thumb and forefinger are tight and you are pulling the hilt into your palm with the other three fingers. It works particularly well with certain kinds of sabres because of the curve to the handle but that is to facilitate striking with the right part of the curve of the edge.
With a sabre with a yelman I could remove someone's wrist with a reverse moulinet. Though more often the reverse moulinet is a set up for attacking the groin and is known as the hellish fourth in some systems.
You bait out an attack from your opponent and the slightest extension of the arm or the hand offers you your target. It doesn't even need to be an overextension.
I don't know how well you'll understand the explanation but if you want a better understanding of the movement by the top fencers who use these techniques, I highly recomment the Swordfish XI - Polish sabre demonstration video here on youtube;
th-cam.com/video/vHPmIz-8tQM/w-d-xo.html
@@nightshade7240 damn bro you silenced them 🤐
I want to learn!
Let's do it!
I have much more respect for Mike after seeing this video. I was under the assumption that he was against using sticks or kali for self defense. I'm proud to see martial artists keeping an open mind to other systems. Way to go Mike 👏👍
I enjoy your content covering new experiences and methods because you have a humble humor. You keep it light as well as open-minded and you have such respect for what you're learning as well as who you're learning from.
this dude its a legit good teacher
Here in the Philippines, we would sometimes spar with live sticks and little gear (just a helmet and gloves). The initial Impact doesn't really hurt, especially when you're used to it, but damn after you get home, you'll be sore as hell.
I've had a fractured thumb from such a thing. That did hurt.
Finally Icy Mike learns to fight with a stick and I'm almost as exited as him.😊 Greetings from a German in love with Latosa Escrima. Make him sweat.💪🏻
Dude i love this practical stick fighting stuff. Great job :)
I like it... out of all the things I've trained in and taught, this is my favorite.
Mike saying how weapon people hate it when you twirl the blade/weapon; meanwhile I and all others I know just do it for fun when training with longsword, saber or whatever we happen to hold :p
Yeah, I do kali and Korean gumdo so it is a kind of a no no in FMA, but we do it all the time in gumdo with the kagum (katana).
I mean, it's actually a useful skill in Saber.
Its fun, but the grip is not strong when hand is open. If you train and get more flexibility in your wrists you can do the same kind of movement with a closed hand with much better grip on the weapon. I still do the open hand when im just messing around but not while training.
Its not like its a no-no in FMA, its just most of the time, practitioners forget that when you twirl you need to keep the grip
Tight.
Problem with this is that they have to routinely get their wrist flexible until they can twirl with closed grip. In practice won't be used as much in combat, but it sure as hell good for your wrist, not to mention the tight angle you can whip out the weapon can catch anyone(me) off guard.
I love Icey Mike, he brings fun back into training. Sense of humour is important in every aspect of life.
Definitely!! 100%
I was already about to subscribe but the Legend of Korra remix at the end made me do it 5 times faster
That was awesome!
Yes, we want more!
Beautiful use of the basics. The sign of a real master.
🤜💥🤛
The guy Icy Mike is a really cool
guy and really quick learner. I really like the good vibes. Enjoy videos like this very much.
Thank you!!
Awesome Video!
Wish I knew you guys when i lived in SC. Looks fun as hell.
Nice way to introduce the system to a knowledgeable beiginer
I was on the verge of subscribing just because of the content ... Then the outro music started playing and I had to smash that subscribe button
This is called defanging the snake in escrima/arnis/kali. We do this with other weapons and bare handed too. The follow through of the next movement is important for sure.
You being a martial arts who trains his body should be to your advantage when learning these things.
The reason weapon based arts have the weapon in front, is because its better over all for attack and defence. it can be a shield and a faster and closer point of attack too. Look at kendo, fencing, hema, eskrima, and other such art matches and it becomes clear why it's the preferred method. 6:20 It's not just a timing thing, it's a control of the weapon thing. If you want to risk losing your stick, go ahead.
Excellent video!
I love that comment from Mike, "maybe maybe you should lighten up" 😄
You should get shadiversity and schola gladiatora involved in stick based videos too. First North Carolina (I think you said) and tomorrow the world! :)
"I don't do Kali, I do JKD with a stick."
Pretty much lol
JKD and Kali go together so well because Bruce preferred to lead with his dominant side, which he referred to as the "on-guard" stance. JKD peeps know that Bruce also incorporated fencing principals into his empty-hand attacks, so JKD, Kali, and other weapons-based arts have been blending together beautifully for many decades now, thanks in large part to Guro Dan Inosanto and some of his students in the Dog Brothers!
I have actually modified my pistol shooting stance so that I have my strong side leg in front, which is also a better platform for one-handed shooting, something you may have to do in a self-defense situation. Consistency across categories!
awesome
Thanks!
That stick hand target pad is awesome.
Can I order that somewhere or is it proprietary?
1:18 is a personal life motto.
Love the video, I feel that next time you should try to film when people aren’t there so it’s easier to hear! Other than that keep it up!!
Hoping to see some sparring between you two in the future.😁
I had some limited stick training Mike. It has some value.....enjoy it bro.
As far as the false lead all you said is logical.
Sticks or rattan sticks are the official carry weapons of tanod in the Philippines. Tanod is a kind of peace officers that are not allowed to carry a gun unlike the normal police. Hence kali or fma or arnis de mano is their official training but their training level is for restraining a criminal only. Icy mike can find a lot of opponent in the Philippines.
The kali training for the special police force and military force is way different, their philosophy is to kill/neutralize "one hit, one kill" that's why their official reserve weapons aside from small dagger is a machete.
FINALLY!
Thanks :)
Kali has its purposes, for me personally, I'd stick with Larga Mano when it comes to long-range stick work
You mean LarGO Mano. Larga means to go. Largo means big/long
@@KenMikaze yes, that's correct, Largo. Sometimes I'm misspelling
I'm disappointed that nobody was hit in the head or face. Really one person in particular.
It's for the views.
I‘d like Icy Mike to get some humbling experience with real feedback application 😁
My weapon is on my left hand, and my right foot is on the front.
Nice Keyblade
Interesting thing here... I’m a kickboxer now and everything but I wonder how well this would work with like point style karate footwork. I have a karate base.
I’d imagine it’d work decently so long as you utilize proper angles. Sport systems evade being touched at all as best as they can generally. And with something like this, the stick substitutes a blade, I’d imagine you want that same mindset of stay away, get in, hit, get out.
Think Triangles
Mike's belt is only white because it knows what treasures lie within his arsenal......
Does Kali have any stick grappling? I know Hapkido has some grappling techniques for korean short stick, and I was curious if there might be some in Kali.
It does!
Oh yeah, there is a shitload of grappling in kali. Tons of different chokes, locks, takedowns, etc.
Ha ha ha good move sir Mike 😊
The video is great! My criticism isn't on the vjdeo but on the comments like come on ppl keep commenting that this defanging thrsnake, and then proceed to explain the concept exactly as what the video said... probably didn't even finsihed the video and just comment this and that
The swirling part is in our curriculum in knife fighting, its a quick and easy way to go from saber grip to icepick. When you need too. But why is all the stick fighters kali. I did it as a hema practitioner.
lol why are all the stick fighters kali? because maybe there's more kali fighters that stick fight than there are hema practicioners in your area? why not have them cross train and spar together. maybe because dog brothers have a lot of kali fighters. if you dont know dog brothers, youtube it 😊😊
You need to try SCA heavy combat.
Yo Icy Mike, when are we going to see you at the Dog Brothers Gathering?
Seems like this takes some elements from fencing with small movements of weapons and foot work.
The Spanish ruled the Philippines. Much of Arnis/Kali goes back to Spanish Fencing .
Where did you find that protective glove or did you have to make it?
It's from Lameco Eskrima International! They call it the Hand Cuff or something.
If I come from a boxing background and I decided to learn stick fighting (not that there’s anywhere to learn it where I live) wouldn’t it make more sense for me to just learn with my left hand right from the start?
Maybe we will see icy mike in a dog brothers sparring match
Probably not lol
You want to learn stick/staff fighting? Go to Portugal and you will see it!!
The only self defense weapon better than a flashlight is a flashlight duct taped to the end of a stick.
Careful Mike, Kali IS addicting.
Do you think you'd ever explain Kali footwork? It's always confused me! All that triangle stuff seems super different from a lot of arts.
Also, do you have any suggestions for where I can learn more about kali? There are no gyms around me, and I'm more than happy reading books and watching TH-cam videos just for the fun of it!
Footwork in Kali is a pain in the ass. I'll make a video about it!
My instructor Ron Balicki has an online training site with a lot of Kali. It's on his website! Marsonline.Ronbalicki.com
@@metrolinamartialarts Oh that would be rad! I'd certainly love to see that! And I'll take a look at your instructor's stuff, might be worth checking out :)
its just triangles, but like, a lot of em.
once you realize the triangle/ hourglass footwork is just shifted leads with square stances mixed in its super easy to learn and implement in actual rounds
@@metrolinamartialarts I trained under the Ron Balicki lineage for quiet a while. a lot of good training!
I wonder how would you apply espada y daga in an actual fight, I'll love to see a video about that mainly because you are the only legit eskrima instructor that I know of that does sparring and testing. So I'll know if it's "real" or not.
Great Idea!
@@metrolinamartialarts Thanks
2:19 One form can be played out with any weapon, just like his skills from fighting retain a bit of weight even though he never fought with sticks. The fight theory is the same in core to your fight philosophy, are you a grappler or a brute, it shows up when you fight with a weapon as well. That's why in the older days swordsmen romanticize their one sword, because it's a part of his body when in a fight.
For example, in mantis broadsword forms, we use the broadsword as a bladeguard to the forearm to close in to grappling distance and slice with a backhand in close quarters and use normal slashes on retreat. I can see Mike using a sword like this.
Those sticks are basically PVC core with thin foam around. Still hurts to be hit in the hand btw.
where did u get the glove :)??
Lameco Eskrima International!
lol. Funny you mention the open hand twirl. Brandon Lee did it in I think his second movie and a bunch of the wanna be kali guys I knew at the time were all over it.
Mike..! Please learn to fight with weapon foot leading. It gives you so much more footwork and setups. You can still use the false lead and caveman stance, but from a trap by stepping back and drawing them into your range. You will rarely be in range to land properly against someone who knows what they are doing. This reminds me of "No Such Thing as A Right Handed Southpaw"
Someone said it but Mike was weapon rear hand most of this video. Isnt single stick,hand,knife all front wheel drive so to speak?
Good video but the background noise is messing with my ADD lol
Yeah sorry about that
the only question i have, do you watcha alot of machete fights?
I watch a fair number
Different styles of kali focus on different ranges. Training for more close range gives you fast hands. Midrange and more trains your footwork more as well as how to bring out most power
Sticks hurt, Mike needs beat in so he isn't so tense. Lol
Arnis Rules :)
He seems hard 2 hurt…..
Icy Mike trying Kali? YEEES
Imagine fighting with real swords if this was scary to him 😬
*flashbacks to that one comment saying that drunk people fight with swords in the rural areas*
@@mochiandturtles5642 Come to think of it machete are pretty common
@@kamenwaticlients I'm familiar with it too
Twirling with open hand.. you should alway have a steady hold on the weapon...simple as that. Why there should be other reasoning.?
Maybe that is something to practise...not to ignore it just because you feel the reason is stupid...
You wanna know why we fight close??
It is because we use Bolo Swords. You dont actually have to swing the sword fully extending your arm because your arm can be catched
Also you dont need to use so much power to hit, because the bolo's heavyness will already cut your bones
You guys are swinging so wide.
Maybe try getting a bolo so you will understand
All soldiers here and americans train this for hand to hand combat real encounters with muslims
Luckily we don't fight with swords here. It's with a stick which would be intrinsically different
buy pool noodles. cut them in half. wrap them in duct tape rather thouroughly. Do not wear any protective gear and even better, in shorts and no shirt. fight with them. this is the way. witiks and other snap hits will not work but you will learn to cut someone's hand off and not get your hand hand cut off, cause they sting like hell.
I think we're missing the point as to why twirling the stick is bad. Twirling the stick/sword in and of itself is not bad. It's how you do it. If you listen closely they touch on this in the video. It's because Mike is Twirling the stick while opening his hand.
In terms of practicality, it isn't wise to Twirl your stick with an open hand because it is easy to disarm. Hell, you'll disarm yourself if you arn't too careful.. If you want to twirl your stick in a sparring session or real fight keep your hand closed and your grip tight.
If you are doing a demonstration and want to look cool, than open your hand and loosen your grip. Your Twirling will be more fluid and impressive.
So in short, there's a place for both methods under separate circumstances. Just know the difference, be safe and have fun~
do a thing with paul from kali center!!
When you make these videos, kindly ask the people off camera to SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!
Definitely
@@metrolinamartialarts Sorry...
@@patrickheath5011 you're fine! I learned from this video
Used to like Mike but he feels himself to much nowadays
These two dabblers are a terrible representation of Kali stick fighting; they make light of a real fighting art. If these clowns pulled these antics in front of a guru, they would face some painful instructions
It's Guro not guru.
@@metrolinamartialarts is that so?
I have seven seminar certificates signed by Dan Inosanto under the designation ‘Guru’
Perhaps you should contact him and inform him of his misspelling
@@haroldscotclark7394 neat, he must've changed it. Cause I see Guro lol
@@metrolinamartialarts I guess you can’t be right about everything
@@haroldscotclark7394 definitely - if you think you are, you're wrong. Which just perpetuates the cycle 😅🤣