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Has anyone else noticed the irony of our General Election on 4 July and the US Presidential Election on 5 November?
I did in fact notice that and mentioned it to somebody the other week. It's almost like it was planned or something.
@@streaky81 I just think it's coincidence.
@@gordonconnah411 probably. But it is also really weird.
They can't leave and rejoin whenever they like, it's up to the 27 members of the EU, now Labour want's to renegotiate the Brexit deal or try to do cherrypicking by negotiations but the EU won't allow that, the UK is a 3rd country now and that means 3rd country rules.
@@bertoverweel6588 what makes you think that. Europe is in a worse state than the UK 🇬🇧
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@@grahamfrear9270 Good for you, hope it stayes that way. Europe in a worse state than the UK? Yea right.
Ignore the English on here, Scotland overwhelmingly voted to stay. We want back because we understand the EU is a great thing.
Hope Scotland will be independent one day, but looking at the elections it takes a long time now the SNP lost.
Remember that it's been 8 years since the referendum
8 years.
and still not fully left
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Please get on with it.
Good for our business.
Bye bye.
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Feels like yesterday with all the noise that's gone on since then.
But yeah, 8 years, I don't see any possibilities of the UK rejoining the EU any time soon because the EU likely wouldn't have us back so soon.
It wouldn't look good on the EU that a country can leave and then rejoin shortly later, and it also wouldn't be good for the UK, as the longer time passes, the more the message of how Brexit was a mistake will sink in, in other words, the passage of time could turn more Brits into being more friendly towards the EU project.
I think the best the UK can hope for is to repair relations with the EU, make them stronger, and maybe over the next decade, maybe we could join the single market and custom union which would solve most of the economic problems that Brexit brought on the UK, it would also solve the political problem with Northern Ireland and Gibraltar.
EU membership, if it happens at all, is at least 2 decades away, and that's assuming the UK makes an effort to want to join, but we should also remember that if we do join, there won't be any op-outs, the UK will be joining as a new member, so no op-outs on the Euro, Schengen zone, Rebate and so on, this is the reality that Brits need to come to term with if they really want to join.
There is also the factor that I don't think the EU and many of its members will want the UK back unless they see a sizeable shift from the public, the media and political parties in how they see the EU project, the last thing the EU wants is another troublesome country, this also likely means that if the UK did want to join but tries to get op-outs, that will probably kill the chances of the UK rejoining as the EU will see that as the UK not learning from its mistake with Brexit.
The main point is, the UK isn't joining for many decades, and this is firmly thanks to the EU firmly shutting the door tight on us, and to open that door, will take a lot of work from the UK side in convincing them to let us back in, which won't be easy with how the UK side behaved on Brexit.
The EU *might* have considered the UK re joining but they would have required a guarantee that within a few years we would not leave again. The rise of The Reform Party in the UK, with Nigel Farage at the helm, makes giving this sort guarantee pretty much impossible, I believe.
"YOU DIDN'T LIKE THE OUTCOME SO YOU WANT ANOTHER VOTE?"
WRONG! It's far more complex and the current governing party's (hopefully terminal) collapse in THIS general election reflects the real issue! Which is fury that the 2019 pledges to deliver a REAL Brexit (after three years + of deliberate establishment efforts to NOT honour the 2016 vote at all) were themselves, in turn, quite deliberately betrayed. In short, that's the outcome that's so unpopular. Not that Brexit failed per se but that it has never yet been wholeheartedly and effectively implemented to begin with.
14:23 I agree that negotiations should be on equal terms, but that also means that the EU would treat GB just like any other candidate. You should also bear in mind, though, that these exeptions were originally negotiated back when the EU had only 10 member states that would need to agree. They would need to bring MUCH more to the table to convince 27 member states now, the majority of which had to comply to ALL the rules to join.
Problem is that the UK would be rejoining as a new member, so no op-outs, the EU will also be the one that chooses the terms, and those terms will likely be stricter as time goes by, negotiations can happen but let's be realistic, it won't be on equal terms, the UK will be treated as a new country that wants to join the club, the EU will be the one making the terms and then it's up to the UK to decide if it wants to live up to the terms or not.
But either way, Brits need to understand that if we join, we are joining under new terms with no op-outs, we won't be allowed to join under the terms we had when in the EU, if the EU were to allow that, other existing and countries that want to join will want much of the same, so no way the EU would open up that can of worms just to let the UK in, but the other reason why they won't is because the UK have always been a troublesome country in the EU, if the UK starts showing any signs of demands for op-outs, I can imagine the EU and many of its members killing the talks right away because it will show that the UK hasn't learned or changed with Brexit and the last thing the EU would want is a UK that is like it was before Brexit.
But on the other side of the coin, if our government and the media is honest with the British people and explain what rejoining the EU means when it comes to no op-outs, if there is enough support after that from the public to want to join, that would go a long way in gaining support for the UK joining from the EU and a lot of its members, basically, the EU and many of it's members will want to see real change on the mindset of Brits when it comes to the EU, something that is slowly already happening, but I still think we've got a long way to go.
We should also remember that even when the UK was in the EU, we were never fully in the EU and had so many op-outs that we kept the EU at arm's length, basically, what I'm saying is that it's likely going to be many decades before there's any realistic chance of the UK rejoining and the best the UK can hope for over the next decade is single market and custom union, but with the rise of the Reform Party, it's clear to see that the UK still has a long way to go.
@@paul1979uk2000 Yup, I'm quite sure UK will join shengen soon enough. But I'm not that sure about actual EU membership. Like you said, UK wouldn't be getting same opt outs, so people that don't want EU, would have even more reasons to be against it. Probably EU happens at some point, I just don't think it's anytime soon, but you can't really predict future too much.
Don't want them back,absolutely not.
Yes. EU got much better without them. They way they deal with politics is circus and we don't want that in EU.
@@dyto2287 guess you havent seen france & netherlands
Thats like america not wanting california
We actaully don't want you either so don't worry about it 😂
@@dyto2287We left in the first place because the EU is a bureaucratic mess, they're building to a federal state and Macron thinks the US is an enemy.
As a French living in the uk, I totally agree, never accept the uk back until they fully adhere to the idea of Brexit. The problem is they only ever saw the EU as an economic deal, when it is a peace project. And also they never fully considered themselves to be part of Europe. The referendum was totally skewed and if it had been legally binding, it would have been voided due to funding issues on the Brexit side. But at the same time, I agree with Charles de Gaulle. He vetoed Britain’s’ accession to the EU 3 times before they were allowed to join, and we should have always vetoed their entry. A lot of things in the EU would have been possible if they hadn’t been there, and so I deffo don’t want them back.
@10:40 But you DO have another vote on the president in the US - every 4 years. In a democracy voters are entitled to change their mind (after a reasonable amount of time of course). Also the electorate change over time - old people die, new and young voters enter the electorate. So I don't think another referendum would be undemocratic.
This. We cannot get a labour government as we voted tory last time
Yeah we get another vote in 25 to 50 years not every 4 years
To many remoaners.
@@kevinwhite981you can't even spell remain which outs yous as a leave Boris supporter. Stay quiet down in England before Scotland pull the plug on the money we send your ass, do the right thing and re join the eu for the benefit of all humans.
The people of Scotland voted not to leave the Union by a small majority and within a short time the S.N.P. politicians wanted another vote which if anything shows the self importance and self interest of ALL politicians . It is bad luck that the ex leader of the S.N.P. is accused of corruption , i say bad luck because ALL of the bloodsuckers could be accused of that ...now my love for politicians is showing through.
Shock: the SNP want an independent Scotland
YES BROTHER! The Tories really did put a hit out on the SNP leaders cos independence was so close. And we voted to stay by a larger majority than I think, it was 67%.
I say no, especially since the UK was always half out anyway. Adopting the euro has always been a major turn-off. The sad thing is the UK was too scared of doing anything radical, except have the vote in the first place and (eventually) do it.
The fact the UK is supposedly turning left while europe is turning right would certainly cause some unintended chaos. The problem is the UK media always focuses on the negatives. With all the problems across europe, I'm curious what will be the excuses if UK rejoined and hardly anyone saw any benefits.
That shows how little the EU has understood the UK population for decades. The creator of the video shows the same lack of understanding. The UK population wanted a trading partnership, easier travel arrangements and negotiated mutual co-operation but the EU wanted further political union as well and we did not. We were not scared; we simply did not agree with the EU's trajectory towards ever-closer political union (because it would further compromise our national sovereignty). It's why we opted out of the Euro and Schengen (to retain our currency and control our borders). Our strong desire to retain and protect our national sovereignty is what the EU has always failed to understand about the UK and has never respected. That is the truly sad thing. It is also why (along with its increasingly unaccountable EU Commission and budgets) the UK media has been largely critical of the EU. Our sovereignty is precious to us; unlike most of mainland Europe we have successfully protected it against allcomers for centuries. It was hard won and we are not willing to sacrifice it. We therefore tried to negotiate a different direction or further opt-outs as a compromise but the EU refused to listen to either option. Brexit was the consequence. The EU only has itself to blame. As long as the EU continues to obstinately mistreat the UK's national sovereignty as a negotiable commodity there is no prospect of the UK rejoining and limited prospects for lower-level cooperation.
Nor is the UK turning left. If you are referring to the expected election result next week, that will be a protest vote against the various failings of the current government, not an endorsement of the left. Don't be fooled; there is very little enthusiasm for Keir Starmer or backing for Labour's policies here but the UK's current election system makes it virtually impossible for any other party to win at the moment. The UK population is still largely socially conservative and always has been. The issues that are turning parts of mainland Europe rightwards (such as immigration/illegal migration) are of similar concern in the UK.
But why adopt the euro? It's a weaker currency, even if Scotland left the UK I think we'd keep th British pound
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I agree but the issue would be that the EU now make adopting the Euro a condition of membership for any new members.
@@Langstrath well then I'd take the euro and pretend we done it just to annoy the English 😂 then start asking them in London if they accept euros cos you get the same result asking them to take Scottish money
1:05 That's a poll showing Labour has 46% of the *vote* , while the Tories have around 23%. So yeah, that's a huge margin. And that was before Reform started rising on the polls. The gap between Labour and the Tories could be even bigger by next week.
if Labour does that Brexit their toaost
We should never have left the EU in the first place. Aligning ourselves with America on Food Standards, and Environmental Laws will end up breaking the UK apart.
England and Scotland are poles apart - they both want a vastly different future. England wants to align with the US more, while Scotland is opposed to this and wants to align with the EU.
The two countries cannot agree on anything and are seemingly heading in opposite directions. Meaning the UK could break up within the next 10 to 15 years. It's that serious.
Brexit has been a huge divisive line going right through the middle of British society. It's literally split families in half; and ended previously strong friendships.
I don’t think we will rejoin but closer ties feels like our best option at the moment
No!
Brexitannia is a hostile country.
Go away.
Try the Pacific.
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😂options?! U can get things but nothing trade related… third country’s are third country’s…
I dont care but what i do care about is when politicians say before an election " We will NOT return to E.U. membership then when in power actually become members but with ready made excuses as to us not really being members, or in other words what i dislike are the continual LIES.
Brexitannia is not welcome in the EU.
We don't need you.
We don't want you
We don't like you.
Out means out.
Stay out!
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I do think that second referendum for something like this would be pretty bad if done right after. But I think something like say 8-10 years should be enough to run it again. It's roughly two terms for presidents and prime ministers, depending a bit on country. To me it would be pretty fair.
I mean it certainly makes no sense that you can decide something, but not revisit the same issue afterwards.
When it comes to terms of joining EU, those are overall non-negotiable. EU already has "tiers" of membership, kinda. And these terms are what every other country* has agreed to, so negotiation would be preferential treatment.
Referendums do not change policy. It's not a vote. It's capacity Is to take the pulse of the nation. The outcome of the referendum was 52/48 % for brexit. So the UK was split down the middle. Also we were not told all the facts.
No point in 'going back'. To what? The EY has changed betond all recogntition. 'You cannot step in the same river again." as the saying goes. Many countries now want to leave
We were told a bunch of lies funded by Russian money
@@maggieobrien892absolutely not true. Even far right parties no longer support leaving the EU as theyve seen how disastrous its been. Support for EU membership in EU is higher than its been for decades
boo hoo you lost
@@matspurs1629 thats the thing about democracy. You vote more than once. Next time we wont.
The EU is not a gym membership you can subscribe and unsubscribe to in a couple of years. It is a political project, which the UK has never truly belonged to nor respected.
In the past, the UK used to threaten the EU with Brexit whenever they didn't want to sign a new treaty. The UK has lost all its leverage now. If they want to join back, they'll do it as a new member state, meaning they'll have to adopt all EU legislation and treaties, including the euro and Schengen. That's not really up for debate or negotiation, it is literally the process for any new country to join the EU. Why should the UK be treated any differently as any other member state?
Hell no.
The EU is not a club, you can yoin as you wish. The UK would have to aplay for membership. This could take years.
and give up the OLDIEST CURRENCY THE pOUND, NOT GOING TO HAPPEN
No I don't think so
Why would the uk want to adopt a weaker currency
This guy is obviously in favour of the UK rejoining, most people that voted leave would vote the same way.
As someone from the UK I doubt it and I hope not. The EU is still an undemocratic and bureaucratic mess. Even with the so called "trouble making" UK gone progress is still as motionless as when we were in. I love Europe but the political union that rules it is not and will never be fit for purpose.
9:24 Britain did not vote equal!!! All other countries voted to stay in EU, england voted to leave and we left. Think thats fair?
Thats why there needs to be a revote. England get too much priority and they now realise they made a mistake so i think we would rejoin if asked
The politics was sliced thick with this one.
My take as a German about the whole situation with the referendum and the whole Brexit:
It was a bad idea then and it was born out of a "we show the Government ho we dislike them" approach. So they did not vote in their favor but against the ruling party by saying "we want out". Like a we show them! Much bias through the media and loudmouth nationalists also drove the people towards the thought, how the EU destroyed the UK, while masking the own fallings of the UK Government and ignoring the fact, that UK in the EU was way more in control about laws and regulations then outside of it.
But after a long, a very long and for all involved stressful progress, UK finally went their marry way and was never missed in the EU again, also this finally ended the constant blame game from British magazines and news outlets about Germany this and EU that, now they could refocus on the Government and had to point the finger back in that direction. It was a sad sight yes but well, with the attitude and politics of the time, you could not see any other outcome.
Now, several years later, people wised up and see, that their life's did not improve and all the regulations and problems in their life's still continued as before or even worsened, especially through the times of the pandemic, like in many other countries of course.
They should do another referendum but tell the people why and what it stands for. What are the Pros and what are the Cons of a membership in the EU? What will it change for them, what will not?
Also on the note of the UK and security related issues that only can be solved while they are an active member, I do not agree. If there would be any threat to the EU via an outside party, I am more than sure that the UK would still stand with the rest of the EU, regardless of membership or not. In the end, a threat to the EU would also be a danger for the UK as well.
I really hate to say this but your post confirms that the EU and its people still do not understand why the British people voted for Brexit. The EU has never understood the UK and still doesn't. Please tell your EU politicians to take the time to find out by asking us instead of assuming they know or just listening to soundbites. It is not what they (or you) think. It was not an anti-government protest vote. It was not because of media bias nor 'loud-mouthed nationalists' (there is such disdain and ignorance behind that remark!). Nor are we under any illusions about the shortcomings of our own politicians or governments, nor do we confuse the impacts of their policies with those of the EU. Those are all common EU misconceptions about the reasons for Brexit spouted by EU politicians but they are all false.
We left the EU because the EU (driven largely by France and Germany) wanted to force greater political integration on us (such as an EU army instead of NATO, majority voting with no veto, an EU foreign minister and common foreign policy, a common environmental policy, an increasingly unaccountable EU Commission with an unaccountable budget etc.) at the expense of our national sovereignty and despite negotiations by David Cameron, they refused to change direction and and refused to allow us to any further opt-outs. Holding the Brexit referendum was the consequence of that EU intransigence and inflexibility. The British people cherish their national sovereignty; it was hard-won and we've defended it successfully for centuries (unlike most of Europe). We did not want to give up more sovereignty to the EU and the EU did not listen. The EU is still not listening. The EU wrongly regards UK sovereignty as a negotiable or disposable commodity and we will never accept that. This was the main reason for the Brexit vote.
Furthermore, the British people knew they had paid billions into the EU coffers, often subsidising other EU countries, and felt they received very little in benefits back. Added to that, we'd recently sustained a huge influx of migrants from EU member states in central and eastern Europe (thanks to EU rules) that swamped our public services (schools, hospitals etc.), caused housing shortages and thereby also raised house prices and rents. Understandably, British people were very unhappy about both issues and both influenced the Brexit vote, too.
Granted, the current UK government has not managed the country very well since Brexit. Most of those govermental issues are nothing to do with Brexit, though, and there have been the Covid and Ukraine crises which have caused economic difficulties and complicated matters. None of that means Brexit as a decision was wrong or that we all regret it. Some do (for various reasons) but there are plenty who do not.
The disrespect for our national sovereignty, the obstinancy and the inflexibility shown by the EU during the Brexit negotiations and subsequently has soured the relationship still further. The EU is still intent on poisoning the relationship with the UK. It is still treating our sovereignty as negotiable. Even now, we have Spain demanding at the UN that we remove our own defence base from the UK's own territory of Gibraltar, wanting total control of the Gibraltar border and of its airport, and illegally boarding shipping with armed Spanish personnel inside Gibraltar's waters. We have Ireland constantly meddling in the UK's Northern Ireland with EU backing to further its ambitions for territorial expansion and an unwanted EU-imposed border in the Irish Sea in direct conflict with UK sovereignty. Meanwhile, France is turning a blind eye to illegal migrants in small boats allowing them to cross to the UK yet all the while taking our money to stop them and doing little or nothing, allowing them to flood our country. France has also threatened to cut off electricity and to blockade our Channel Islands in order to force us to give its fishing fleet more licenses to fish in UK waters. With supposed EU partners like these, how can you wonder why we remain deeply unhappy with the EU's ongoing hostility, disrespect and arrogance?
Ideally, we still want a good trading relationship and easy travel arrangements with mainland Europe but views on EU membership remains mixed in the UK. Few in the UK are interested in another referendum, however, or in reopening that very contested debate. Moreover, the terms that the EU would now offer us to rejoin would compromise our national sovereignty even further and would be so disadvantageous that we probably wouldn't even consider them. In any case, there is no point in another referendum until the EU shows it can learn from its mistakes and it has shown no sign of doing so. It still blames only the UK for Brexit and mistakenly, so do many of the EU's member states and their citizens. Until the EU starts to acknowledge the harm its own actions have caused, relations with the UK will continue to be rocky. If it wants better relations, the EU needs to start to listen and understand why we voted to leave and why it is still compounding its mistakes in its dealings with the UK since. It needs to stop treating our sovereignty as negotiable and dispensible. It needs to treat the UK with respect.
As for European defence, I understand France (or at least Macron) wants an EU army. We will not back or participate in that idea (another surrender of national sovereignty), particularly as it would undermine NATO (that has served Europe well). We are now very wary about participating in other Europe-wide defence arrangements as well. We fought for the liberty of Europe in two world wars but I'm afraid in the UK many of us have realised that EU member states have conveniently forgotten what it cost the UK in lives, equipment, infrastructure and money to liberate their countries. They certainly show us no gratitude or respect any more. Don't take our military assistance for granted any more. As of now, we will not be so keen to fight for mainland Europe again given its ongoing mistreatment of our country. If we do, it will because we see it as being in our own interest, and not for the EU which does not even show us courtesy or respect, let alone act as a partner.
@@Langstrath And your comment shows, that some Brits still don't understand the EU. There can be no changes to the EU just to suit British ideas. 27 members decide in which direction it should go. Not just a single nation.
This is not "the empire" 2.0, that is ruled from Downing Street, Westminster or Windsor Castle. As former member no. 28, you only had 1/28th of a say in the Councils and with a population of 66.97 million, only a max of 13% representation in the Parliament (actually less and closer to 10%, due to tiny member nations being over-represented).
So you don't agree with where it currently is heading - then not being a member is exactly the right thing for you to be.
Problematic with your opinion is just, that: "wanted to force greater political integration on us.....at the expense of our national sovereignty and despite negotiations by David Cameron, they refused to change direction and and refused to allow us to any further opt-outs" was already something the UK agreed with and which was signed by Heath, the moment you became a member in 1973.
The goals of greater political integration (an EU army, an EU foreign minister and common foreign policy, a common environmental policy - all of these goals existed pre-1973 !!!) was already written down and was agreed upon when the UK signed their membership. It's part of the Hague Summit (1969 - completion, enlargement, deepening).
Fighting against contractually guaranteed agreements, even though they were signed a long time ago, is a little schizophrenic. Try to do that with your landlord over your rental contract, after you signed it...
Why did you sign it then back in 1973? Why did you even apply for membership? The guys who signed it, knew exactly what they signed.
But whatever. I am happy with this and don't care what the Brits do. You seem to be happy too.
But please make sure, whatever our future will bring - if there will ever be another referendum in the UK about rejoining, please make that threshold >80% Yes and don't leave it at >50%. Maybe even make this vote mandatory for all citizens to partake.
A decission like this needs far more support in the population and should not be based on a tiny majority again. Especially not in the case of rejoining.
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Oh, I'm under no illusions about what the EU has become. I understand it all too well. It's effectively now a mega-state in all but name. And I never said the EU should be Empire 2.0 or controlled solely by Britain nor did I expect or mean that; that would be unrealistic and silly and I'm neither. I meant that decisions about new developments should be agreed unanimously by all members or not at all. But instead the 'core group of EU states' tried to force on us majority voting with no right to veto (along with other losses of national sovereignty with no opt-outs). In other words, new developments would no longer have to be agreed by all member states but could be adopted by a bare majority vote against the wishes of nearly half of the member states.
As for 1973, I was barely alive then but I do know the EEC deal was sold to British people then as a mutual trade deal (i.e. a 'common market') not as an ever-closer political union, whatever might or might not have been in the detail of the paperwork (which, of course, the British public never got to see in those days). Obviously, I can't tell you exactly why Health signed it; I was not there to ask him.
What I can tell you is that the UK population has always wanted a beneficial trade deal and some mutual cooperation but has never wanted to be subsumed within a mega-state. I do agree that the EU's vision of Europe and the UK's are too dissimilar now and that we are better not being an EU member while that remains the case. As for any future referenda, UK referenda have always been a simple majority vote so I doubt you will get your wish for an 80% threshold.
And Germany and France do not fill those coffers to support member states that are lesser off, or support EU projects? Do you know how much Germany has spent over the decades to support and fill those pots? No, because as a true nationalist you only look on your country and do not care about the others. Also, being called a nationalist is hopefully not offensive to you, just pointing it out. Fine by me. To add to your point: All well off countries contribute hugely to the funding of EU projects and even the failings of others. You make it sound like the UK was the honeypot and all grabbed the last bit out of it and sucked it dry. Also, the UK was not only on the giving side, they hugely benefited not only in the free market and open travel but also in schooling programs like Erasmus for example. Shame to let it all crumble away.
And then the fantasy of the others forcing their will upon the UK.
You do realize how the EU works? Of course countries can band together and have more votes or lobby for their interests against/for something. It is always a compromise. But the UK is not "bullied" around and sitting in the corner like a slob. All the member states have equal veto rights, as we can see with Hungary and their way of vetoing the shit out of anything atm. Only because in the most cases all the others stand one the same side, they can get Orban to see sense and reason. Also compromise. Because if only one is with his/her views, maybe they really should reconsider their stand. But lobby work is not a one sided show either. The UK rallied more than once for their interests and it was perfectly fine like that.
So, why are now most of the Brexit voters not happier people now, that it is finally done and the shackles of the EU are off? All the money, all the borders, all the fish, oh gods...all the British fish back under control! Finally! Why are they not happy? Because they where lied to and extorted by the far right. Just take all the many lies they made their point and slapped on their bus, touring the countryside all that what would supposedly change for the better, preaching honey and ambrosia and look what got delivered in the end. Also, where is all the supposed money now? And don't tell me it "still" lingers in the EU.
You may of course think otherwise, and some people had of course other reasons for voting one way or another, but well the facts remain: It was a shiteshow then, it took an eternity to figure out how the UK finally went their merry way cause no one had a real plan, and everyone in the EU is mostly happy now, that it ended.
I also want to point out, I do not hate the Brits, I do not hold any ill will against them, heck, I even reenact as a 1775 British Royal Marine in full gear at events, I still travel to England, Wales and especially Scotland for holidays and love to lern about all the cultural differences in those parts. Love it! But I still remain in my view on that matter and how it came to be.
I was in Scotland, when their yay or nay to stay a part of the United Kingdom was held back then. Went to pubs and stayed in B&Bs there, talked with the folks and they where on the brink then but saw greater benefit to remain. And afterwards, how calm but bitter most where after the referendum for the Brexit, how most (I personally talked to) felt betrayed by the other UK members how they felt about a Brexit and the loss of the free market, labor share and how most voted back then to stay with the UK because they wanted to stay in the EU.
@@LordKosmos
Thank you for your comments and for sharing your experiences. I'm glad you like visiting my country and you are welcome to return. Yes, I'm afraid I did find what you wrote somewhat offensive and dismissive so it is as well that you at least said you do not hate Brits. For a start, we do not have a 'far-right' in the UK (and certainly nothing like the AfD in Germany or former Nazi groups in central and eastern European countries). As for myself, I am not a 'nationalist' either in the perjorative sense that mainland Europeans usually use that term so I reject your labelling of me. Don't interpret me through the lens of politics in your own country, please. Yes, I love my country and want to preserve its sovereignty, its heritage and its culture (and there's nothing wrong about that) but that does not mean I'm a supremacist or an isolationist, that I don't want mutual co-operation with other states or that I am not aware of or interested in the well-being and concerns of other countries. For the record, I do not hate mainland Europe, its nations or its people either nor do most Brits. I think we have different visions for Europe but I hope with mutual respect we can still be friendly.
I am aware that other core EU states subsidise poorer states and never claimed otherwise; I'm not ignorant or one-eyed as you seem to believe. I merely reported what many British people felt about it. And, yes, I also know how the EU works currently. That was not the issue. The issues were about how it is intended to work in the future i.e. about the move towards bare majority voting with no vetos or opt-outs allowed and the further losses of sovereignty that would be incurred by the further integration measures, both being pushed by the other 'core' EU states. We asked for further opt-outs or changes and the other core EU states refused both so our continuing membership would have been on their terms. That inflexibility is why the Brexit referendum was held.
As for the outcomes from Brexit, some people are happy, others are not so much for various reasons. That was inevitable given the closeness of the Brexit vote and strength of national debate about it. In any major change there will always be winners and losers in economic terms so that's an understandable factor, too. The same was true when we first joined. The outcomes could have been better if the EU had been more flexible about the trade deal (but that's their choice) and over the Northern Ireland border and if the UK government had handled the negotiations better.
However, regarding fishing that you mentioned, our once-thriving fishing industry was decimated by the Common Fisheries Policy of the EU while we were an EU member, not by Brexit. It simply has not recovered (yet) because those few Brits still owning fishing boats in the UK have no money to invest further in it and most UK-based boats remain foreign-owned (with UK licences). We have also been in a graduated reduction period for EU fishing in UK waters so change could not occur that fast anyway. Fishing is a very tiny part of our UK economy, thanks to the EU's earlier decimation, and it will probably take a long time to recover. As for the money issues you mentioned, there were false claims made on both sides of the debate before the vote (but that sadly happens in politics in most countries, I think). We are still paying billions into the EU budget under the withdrawal terms and will be for years yet (so, yes, some of our money IS still in the EU) and any released money from Brexit has (rightly or wrongly) been swallowed up by the much larger national debts incurred since by the outgoing government's decisions to financially support people and businesses during Covid lockdowns and with energy bills during the Ukraine war. The UK is overall a bit poorer right now but Brexit should be seen as a medium to long-term change, not a short-term one. Inevitably, after such a major change there needs to be a period of adjustment, new markets located, new trading relationships built and patterns of working altered etc. and that process has been delayed and compromised by Covid, the effects of the Ukraine-Russia war and a hostile Irish-American President of the USA. We've also had a government post-Brexit which has not been very competent or stable and that hasn't helped. Time will tell about the longer-term economic impact.
When evaluating Brexit, though, the media, politicians and many people (including you, it seems) mostly focus on short-term economic outcomes only and ignore other major issues to which price tags cannot be easily allocated. While I respect some others think differently (and fair enough), for me personally Brexit was not about the economics but about sovereignty. I'd rather keep our sovereignty, regardless of any economic benefit or loss, so I'm broadly happy about the outcome overall (except for EU members' continuing attempts to undermine our sovereignty which I wish they would cease). I hope our respective nations will stay friends and I wish you well.
Typical dishonesty from the repulsive EU institution and our Remainist zealots. In fact the only vote prior to the 2016 one wasn't even held to ask the public's opinion before we were summarily railroaded into the then EEC. Rather it was retrospective, taking place three years afterwards .. and even that was 41 years before the 2016 referendum on whether or not we should leave. In short, we should not hold another vote merely because polls fluctuate and every time a transient plurality in favour of rejoining the EU pertains, the bigots chorus shrieks its head off. Instead, we should only revisit the question in a ballot (IF one's still relevant anyway), after a period of at minimum 25 years has elapsed since the preceding one!
NO NO WAY
I am Voting reform and a lot of people are voting for reform not labour or conservative we have no confidence in labour or conservatives , Polls are not always right
I hope the UK will come back. I´m from Barcelona and Europe means nothing without Britain.
We´ll meet again. I'm sure.
I voted for Brexit and would do so again in a heartbeat. Once a referendum was called voting leave was the only sensible option as the EU would have made our lives hell if we had stayed for daring to have a referendum in the first place.
Has Brexit failed? Brexit is a concept and therefore on its own cannot succeed or fail. However the implementation could have been better (to say the least) and the Conservatives have not unlocked the true benefits that independence gives us. This is a failing of the government, not of Brexit. It will be another 10 - 15 years before we can declare it a success or failure and it depends who is in power and what they do.
Going forward. Lots of people have mentioned Scotland and England in this discussion. Let’s not forget there are two other countries in the UK. There is Wales who voted to leave and Northern Ireland who voted to remain. Interestingly enough the complete reverse of the 1975 referendum. I guess if Scotland were to leave the UK then the SNP would seek to rejoin the EU. If Northern Ireland left it would rejoin as part of Irish reunification. Wales is a bit more of a grey area if it were to leave the UK. Maybe Plaid Cymru would seek closer ties with the EU. Who knows how all that would play out?
As a UK though we are out, going back would be humiliating and embarrassing. We’d be laughed at on the world stage. We’d have to adopt the Euro. We would not get the various opt outs that we had last time. It is better to stay out and elect a competent government that can make a success of Brexit. In my opinion that is NOT Labour.
Who know nothing about how the economy works:
Brexit can be economically successful if the politicians get it right
Those who know how the economy works say:
Brexit can never be successful. No matter who governs.
Only the economically stupid "believe" (no knowledge):
A small corner shop can win against Tesco or Aldi
There's no situation where the country would actually accept rejoining on the actual terms. The people who say they'd like to think that the UK joining would be on the old terms. With the actual terms the support would drop to maybe like 20%, if that. The slightly bigger issue would be that any parliament can take us in without asking anybody, but it'd probably push us to civil war if they tried.
The reason why there’s even discussion of a second referendum is because the campaign to leave threw out so many lies about the benefits of leaving. Over the years it has become apparent that what the people were sold on Brexit was wrong and is something completely different. So the public have started to notice this and have realised maybe we were better off staying in. The idea of a second referendum being held because the first one was built on lies is arguably more democratic than just point blank honouring the outcome of the first. It’s also a big reason why Scotland want a second referendum vote; because they were told by Westminster if they stayed in the U.K. they would have access to the EU.. which we voted to leave two years later
As I recall, the £ did not plummet, house prices did not plummet and 400, 000 people did not lose their jobs. But we were told these lies.
@@musicbruv and the ‘£350million to the NHS’ that was plastered on the buses all around the country? You don’t think a lie of that proportion in itself isn’t enough to warrant a second referendum? A vast majority of people voted leave BECAUSE of this lie
@@musicbruv and what happened to the £350 million that could be put into the NHS? Oh yeah, it wasn’t true
@@JonathanElliotMay It was not true, Boris put in an extra £1 billion.
I voted Remain but I wouldn't want to rejoin without the opt-outs. We can't have the same deal we used to have with the EU. I think we should take advantage of any new opportunities that leaving has afforded us and mitigate any negative effects to the best of our ability. The important thing for me is that the UK be a shining example of democracy and freedom - anything else is negotiable. I'd rather we'd stayed in the EU with our special deal but I absolutely don't wan't to be tied to the closer political union stuff, especially seeing how France is voting in this current election. As long as we remain close allies with the EU we should be fine! Just my opinion and respect to all of you, no matter how you voted or how you feel about the EU 😄❤
I think it depends on time.
If you had election and select a president and say we don't like the president that got elected therefore let's vote again immediately after the first elections, that will not be democratic. People elected that president and that's the will of the people so even if you don't like him/her, you should accept the result and move on.
But if you choose a president and say let's vote again after 4-5 years, then it's democratic. In fact, if you can't vote again and see what your public think every 4-5 years, then it will not be democratic anymore. People's opinion change and it's good to check people's opinions every now and then. If you don't do elections and check people's opinions every 4-5 years, it will be undemocratic.
That being said, second referendum about EU, I don't know. First, there is not enough support for most of the British political parties, there is also no interest in EU to welcome the UK back as of now. Many in EU don't even want the UK back at all. So, doing a second referendum will be pretty pointless.
The UK wont ever join without some opt outs so if that's the position, we may aswell stop talking about it.
UK won't decide to rejoin. The may ask. It's the EU's decition, and only the EU's -- agreed by Every. Single. Member. Nation.
@@rosshart9514 my point is there won’t be a bilateral discussion if there aren’t any opt outs, so we may as well just move on here in the UK.
@@richmorris2870 Agree. If UK demands rebates or else, they won't get them a second time, so in this scenario plans to rejoin are obsolete.
I guess if the UK really wants to rejoin (after decades) they have to swallow many bitter pills. But on the long run UK is better inside the EU. Future world will consist in big blocs.
Referendums......the problem was the brexit question was in or out. That let the ruling government do as they please as to how we and what the future relationship would be.
democracy is changing things by voting, even bad things from earlyer outcomes
NOBODY ELSE SEEMS TO HAVE OTHER RECORDINGS INTERRUPT THEIR REACTION CONTINUALLY
Its essentially the right wingers who would vote to leave brexit again. The english voted brexit and even they know it was dumb 😂
No re joining! Stay out UK!
you stay and enjoy your failing eu, the dictatorship . one step away from being like china
@@stevekenilworth
Yet interestingly enough, It's the U.K who has more "unelected officials".
You are right,getting in,getting out and so on ,lowers the value of membership. Totally agree.
I find it funny the narrator of this video about will the U.K. rejoin the EU Connor is an EU citizen commenting about U.K. sovereignty which has nothing to do with anybody inside the EU. Remainers, and EU citizen’s will never accept we had a referendum and the silent majority in Britain voted to leave the EU. The EU was never about political union but trade only. It has now morphed into a political bloc with unelected bureaucrats in Brussels who have 0 respect for national sovereignty. The U.K. has also had a government after Brexit who have deliberately sabotaged Brexit by appointing an unelected PM called Rishi Sunuk who is a remainer and doesn’t believe in Brexit. It’s just bizarre we have a PM who isn’t like Nigel Farage who will deliver Brexit and severe all EU rules and regulations from the EU once and for all. Sadly, the next government will probably be Labour because the silent majority will be voting for Reform U.K. instead of the Conservatives who have made a joke of Brexit, delivering it in name only. The narrator gets on my nerves with his arrogance about whether the EU will accept the U.K. rejoining when the silent majority in the U.K. will never accept rejoining when we have casted our vote and made it very clear what we want. Reform U.K. is the only government that will deliver. Brexit once and for all and put an end to anybody suggesting otherwise. Nigel Farage is the only man that will defend British culture and identity and make my country great again once he puts British people first for a change when he becomes PM in the next 5 years when Reform U.K. become the opposition against the next government if it ends up being Labour. Mark my words.
@@OneTrueScotsman
Who tried to denigrate you? No-one as far as I can see.
And why shouldn't other Brits discuss any possible Scottish secession from the UK?
I'm not trying to denigrate you either (just so you know) but in my view you are very wrong to suggest 'it is nothing to do with you'. Any vote for Scottish independence is very much the concern of everyone in the UK because we too are part of the same sovereign nation and part of the union, not just people currently living in Scotland, and we share the same islands. To suggest 'it is nothing to do with you' is to ignore the serious impact any secession will have on all UK citizens, not just those currently living in Scotland. It would create a range of issues regarding the shared border with England and ferry crossings to Northern Ireland that would have to be managed, the subdividing of what are currently UK-owned assets and of certain UK-wide institutions and bodies, issues with both UK and potential Scottish passports, issues with determining nationality of individuals, issues for families with some members living in Scotland and others living elsewhere in the UK etc.. Defence would be particularly tricky, especially if Scotland decided to opt out of NATO, which could leave the rump of the UK more exposed to enemy threats. Division of responsibilities for paying state pensions would be a nightmare. Any attempt by an independent Scotland to then join the EU would throw up even more complex issues, particularly over the Scotland-England border and the Scottish-Northern Ireland ferries (e.g. free movement of people, free movement of goods, EU cross-border checks on goods, illegal migrants travelling from mainland Europe via Scotland into England, passport controls, border policing) and the Pound. The proposals I have seen from the SNP for managing these kinds of complex issues that would arise from any independence vote frankly look ill-considered and liable to cause utter chaos. So, I think you are are wrong to say it is nothing to do with the rest of the UK. It matters to us, too, because it would affect all of us significantly for a long time to come in lots of ways. All of us in the UK should have a say in any future Scotland independence vote, not just those currently living in Scotland, just as both the Scottish parliament and the English & Welsh parliament both voted to create the union between England & Wales and Scotland 300+ years ago.
Stay calm, bro, for 99% of the EU population Brexit hasn't been a thing since 2017. It is not our fault that you have failed to define what Brexit is, and for some people in your country it is still an issue.
@@Dqtube
Only 'true' if you conveniently ignore the EU's intransigence and their continuing attempts to interfere with our national sovereignty in Northern Ireland, in Gibraltar and in our home waters. Unfortunately, unlike you and your 99% of the EU population, we can't ignore it. And we did define Brexit; iIt's just the EU would not accept it and forced a half-baked version on us through intransigence and petty- mindedness.
Yes, we from the EU have prevented the UK cherry-picking attempts
@@Michael_from_EU_Germany
Yes, despite having allowed 'cherry picking' by other European countries like Norway in the past and the Ukraine more recently when it suited the EU. Basically, the EU didn't want us unless under its terms of absolute subjugation. We won't be forgetting the ongoing hostile interference in our sovereignty or the intransigence by the EU. Enjoy your so-wonderful cherries while they last!
Do we want them back? Nope.
We will never want to come back, the EU is becoming a mess. We've had the Tee-shirt and seen the video, and voted.
@@topguydave And now your economy is down the shitter. We see it.
42% could mean a 80+ majority. Uk system.
Brexit has been an huge shock for the EU, I think if the UK were to rejoin, other member states would ask a warranty to avoid Brexit 2.0
I'm half-glad it was a shock to the EU; it needed it. However, I still don't see any signs that it has yet learned from it by seeking to understand why we chose to leave, nor any change in its obstinate, inflexible attitude towards the UK and nor any cessation in its frequent attempts to undermine our sovereignty. Since Brexit, the EU just seems intent on poisoning the relationship further and has learned nothing sadly. Until the EU decides to make the effort to understand us better (it never has) and realises and acknowledges the mistakes it has made regarding the UK, any proposal to rejoin is unwise. Even then, it might still be unwise.
As for warrranties, we'd be asking for our own warranty from the EU in return to avoid us having to do Brexit 2.0 (like respecting our sovereignty, not meddling in Northern Ireland and Gibraltar, agreeing to our keeping our currency and borders, not forcing greater political integration on us against our wishes, being more flexible and accommodating towards individual member nations, giving us a fairer return in benefits for our membership). So, probably a non-starter then ...
@@Langstrath It's not mandatory to join. If you don't share the vision of a united Europe you can stay out.
@@Andreabont
Indeed, I agree it is not mandatory to join and, personally, I'm quite happy to stay out.
In return, I hope the EU can now decide to stay out of the UK's Northern Ireland and Gibraltar (though it has shown no signs of doing so, regrettably).
As for vision, our respective visions for Europe are just different and have diverged over time, that's all. But hopefully mutual respect and friendship are still possible with goodwill. I wish you a good day!
Support for rejoining the EU drops to 26% when membership of the euro is compulsory. All new members must adopt the euro. The UK will never abandon its currency and hand all financial control to the ECB, it's just not happening
Well, Sweden hasn’t made the swap to the Euro either and the other members appear not to put excessive pressure on this country. Sweden doesn’t have an opt-out either as Denmark has.
@@andreasfischer9158
Which bit of new members did you not understand?
@londonlion5179 The regulations that you refer to were in place when Sweden became a member in 1995. According to these rules, Sweden is obliged to change from the krona to the Euro, which the country refuses to do. Please do your homework before you accuse others of ignorance or lacking literacy.
@@andreasfischer9158
Do your homework and read the Copenhagen criteria, wise guy. Stop banging on about Sweden, they are not applying to join
@londonlion5179 Your comment doesn’t contradict anything I have written. Unless you claim new members have to introduce the Euro as national currency before they can join the Union, which I don’t find any support for.
This video is nonsense. It is not true.
I suggest that the UK is offered a membership that applies every second year only. They could arrange for a referendum whether this should be even or odd years.
😂😂😂😂
Other countries are leaving and Starmer wants to be back in. Are you people still voting Labour in? Are you want to live under Islamic laws? Do you not care what will happen to your children. Are you willing to live like that then just let Labour in, but do not cry when you will not be safe to even go out your house.
We won't for several reasons. First the polling is in favour, but no party is campaigning on it. That's because they understand that when polling a single issue that isn't politically live you have to look at how important it is to voters. The polling on that puts Brexit as one of their top three issues for under 10%. Second , it require reopening the incredibly devisive debate that we are only just getting over, there is very little appetite for that. Thirdly, there is absolutely no certainty in the outcome of a referendum when the realities of rejoining are looked at. The focus in people's minds are that they may think it was a mistake and they associate it with a very unpopular government, but when faced with the disruption, the costs, the very different nature of the EU now and economic arguments that are far from clear, the vote could well go the other way. In people's minds when approached by voters rejoining is the same as not leaving, when forced to think about it they will conclude its not.
Your analogy that it’s like the US having an election and then an other election to change then result confuse me, erm you do! That’s democracy. You don’t have it straight away but as with any democracy you of course have new elections and then likely get a different result. The EU referendum was back in 2016 and the result enforced. Many older out voters such as my mum and uncle have since passed, why shouldn’t people have a new say? People are now wiser maybe.
Because our EU is not a tennis club, where you can get in or out whenever you want.
@@Michael_from_EU_Germany I understand but I never wanted to leave “your” EU, so don’t be critical of me. I detest Brexit in every single way.
If there were another referendum, it would be the third, not the second. In 1975 a referendum confirmed the UK’s continued membership of the EU.
It was the common market, not the eu in 1975
@@patrickh8727 That's right, we were never asked if we wanted to join the EU.
In my opinion, any vote can be reversed *if* there's enough people that have changed their mind about the matter, over some time.
Yes, that's democracy. So the UK can decide to submit an application for membership. But not more.
You can every day decide to get member of a tennis club, but you can't to get a member of the EU.
If starmer rejoins there be alot of kick off we voted to leave and still waiting to get that done
A referendum is true democracy, mate.
No. No. No . Never. Never. Never
This is a none story generated by this channel. No one is seriously pushing for another referendum, so ignore this. What is happening is that the public are seeing that all the false promises of the Brexiteers have generated no benefits for the UK, quite the opposite. I hope that we will gradually get closer to the EU and eventually go back in but, sadly, I don't see it occurring anytime soon.
Back in, to what benefit?
Sure, fuck democracy, let's just ignore the will of the people because we don't like the choice they made - we hardly left anyway because we did everything we could to stay under EU regulation!
No, Keir has no right
Spoiler. Answer is no.
The pro E.U. bias here was obvious to me in the first minute i have found that it is very difficult to hide bias anyway because to do so would not influence those one is trying to influence to the desired degree. Which is why propaganda is so funny and yet strange that people can believe it but again that would depend if one wanted to believe considering the propaganda lined up with ones own politics and bias. Those who do not vote for instance are not corrupted by ones own "passion" for a particular tribe of which there are many people who are very passionate for one particular corrupt tribe ...sorry but the corruption has been proven beyond doubt my friends.
I believe there are two main themes and one is that people blame the Conservatives for so many unhappy events including the tough covid restrictions [though it would appear they ignored them] so the hate develops into anyone else but not them ! hence the unusual swing to Labour if the poles are correct. You may know i am a none voter so hate the "system" and those that swallowed the myth filtered down that "one should vote or one has no say" which is illogical of course as those who do vote have as much say as i do which is zero considering one elects an elitist system and NOT participation. Politicians have never been held in such contempt , and the fact that America is being offered two awful candidates for President is proof that the system is broken and proven corrupt so for those who say we should vote must mean by extension that we should vote for a politician and system we do not trust and that is illogical.
10:35 its been 8 years, people are aloud to say, actually no, to laws that are in place XD you can't change laws otherwise.
As I haven’t been asked my opinion for the pole, I would say it’s BS 😂
What the UK primarily wants from the EU is trade, and the UK and EU already have a post Brexit trade deal. Never, in the 47 years that the UK was in the EEC/EU has there been a desire in the UK to become a province of a federated Europe, which has always been the end goal of the EU. I can't see the UK ever rejoining the EU.
"If that happened here, in the USA" from the video, was the civil war not about Southern States wanting to engage the clause to leave the union?
It was about slavery for the most part.
@@Shoomer1988 that is how it is told by the winners in digestible bullet points in school history text books. Fact is, most soldiers from the South never owned slaves and while Lincon was openly against it, he loved the union more. In his own words, "“My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union.”
@@richardharrison284 The South seceded from the Union and formed the Confederacy because of the threat to the slavery economy. See Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens 'Cornerstone Address'
"Our new government's foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests upon the great truth, that the n***o is not equal to the white man; that slavery-subordination to the superior race- is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."
And of course, most soldiers from that South never owned slaves - most people anywhere never owned slaves.
Screw liebour and the eu
If a politician negotiates this must mean the other side will want something in return and that could be popular with many politicians but not with the people so the rhetoric ,and lies of those politicians will come home to roost but that's their problem it means nothing to me. I sound like i hate politicians ,far from it because i love Yes Minister so funny and so true.
I don't like hearing that The Independent are left-leaning, as they're centrist and probably slightly right-leaning
In the US right? Yeah, most of them seem to be centre-right. There's barely any left-wing voters there anyway.
EDIT: I just saw the portion of the video where they talked about the news outlet, sorry. xD
Ground News is just too US centric. Compared to the US spectrum most European parties and papers would be left...
If I could have voted in 2016 I would’ve definitely voted remain. There are almost no benefits to being outside it and I would like to rejoin. Unfortunately leave won with 52%. Hopefully we will rejoin at some point but 4 years later is way too soon
Will the US rejoin Great Britain. ?
You vote every 4 (?) years for a new president. That is how democracy works and as such a vote on rejoining the EU should always be an option.
Imagine if all 27 countries and the UK had an IN/OUT referendum on the EU every 4 years. Absolute chaos.
With France and Germany in a mess and sliding downwards, we would be fools to ever get involved with them again.
But you could say the same about people forgetting the last time Labour was in power that required 10 years of austerity to put right. A lot of the electorate have never known a Labour government, but they soon will, and history repeats.
I agree, asking people to vote again and again until you get decision you want is not democratic.
So we'll just stick with which ever government we get at the forthcoming elections forever, yes?
@@neilgrundy We've had the same under a different colour banner since 97 anyway.
We voted to leave the EU, we don’t want to go back ever!
Vote reform
Hell no!
@@neilgrundy why not, don't you want this hell hole sorting out or are you ok with 3rd world conditions we will find ourselves in if we have more of the same?
Hopefully the Scottish national party win even bigger in Scotland, independence and then rejoin the EU
We all know the Scotland will never be Eu meber ,it too poor Ukraine only getting in because of the war
The SNP will lose seats.
Even if Scotland were to become independent, do you seriously believe that the EU will take Scotland in? If there is one thing the EU does not want, it is to see the United Kingdom break up.
Lol hopefully, are you fucking tapped
I never want to have them in the EU again. I am so glad they left and they can stay out. Maybe labour can make their useless economy better, so they don't have to continue to suffer.
you stay and enjoy your failing eu, the dictatorship . one step away from being like china
You don't seem to understand what "no opt-outs" means. It means no special status for the UK. In that sense the UK has nothing to bargain with. These demands, that go for all other countries too, are non-negotionable.
And that was why we left the EU in the first place - the EU intransigence and unwillingness to flex or negotiate. They refused to alter their drive for further political integration at the expense of national sovereignty and refused to consider further opt-outs for countries like the UK who want to retain their national sovereignty and do not want 'ever-closer political union'. Hence, the Brexit referendum was held. We won't sacrifice our sovereignty further so unless the EU accepts that fact and changes their stance we have no prospect of rejoining or any reason to do so. It's a dead duck. The best we can do is to renegotiate the trade deal if the EU is willing and keep insisting on our sovereignty in Northern Ireland, in Gibraltar and in our home waters.
@@Langstrath There is nothing to renegotiate. You chose to be an outsider, so you get treated as an outsider.
@@Langstrath
The "ever-closer political union" was literally mentioned in the founding treaty of the EU. 🤷♀️
It's too bad you did not understand (or simply acted in bad faith) the treaty you signed up too.
@@mariatheresavonhabsburg
Thank you for your comment. We had different visions for Europe, that's all. The British people were not told about any 'ever-closer political union' when we joined (whatever the UK government of the time may or may not have known). It was described to us as a 'common market' (i.e. a trading partnership). Please remember there was no internet back then for ordinary people to access the fine details. The British people did not act in bad faith; we kept to what we believed we had agreed. In any case, the concept of 'closer political union' is open to multiple interpretations, has evolved over time and new layers have been added and are still being added (in ways we could not have foreseen back then). The latest layers the EU wanted were a step too far for our national sovereignty. The differences in our respective visions for Europe have become more apparent and divergent with time but I hope with mutual respect we can still be friendly.
@@Langstrath I don't think that it's fair to say that "we had different visions, and that's all". The European project was initiated after WWII, because of WWII and all of the European wars before it, all the way back to the Roman Empire. The European project was a peace project from the very start, and few people have communicated as loudly and clearly what they had in mind with regards to it as Sir Winston Churchill. Leaving the EU was a reckless decision, undermining the peace within Europe. That is not something I can take lightly.
It - given the changing demographic of pro EU young generation and anti EU older generation - is inevitable, but it will take a long time. We will have to rejoin the single market first, I can't see us going straight back into full membership. We have to eat plenty of humble pie. Even then, rejoining may involve unique conditions to satisfy those that (rightly) doubt us.
many younger voted to exit, best thing we done, but we still not out, half in half out left nutter form of exit .
@@stevekenilworth
You're not a member of the EU anymore, you're out.
You can't do it twice.
Stop deluding yourself.
@@mariatheresavonhabsburg we still half in half out. that the left plan and it never wok till we fully out
@@stevekenilworth
There has never been one coherent plan.
You're already out, whether you like it or not.
@@mariatheresavonhabsburg no we not fully out, it take decades to fix and untangle from the dictatorship the eu. just one small part we still not got our waters back so we losing millions from that alone, estimated value of around £345 million. or 134,000 tons. eu reg,laws and many other things will take decades to untangle from so we not out we still half in half out, only on paper we out but reality we half in half out
All politicians KNOW that Brexit has damaged the British economy and is losing the government £40 billion a year in taxes, money that could go along way to improving public services and the NHS. The age demographic indicates that many of the older generation who voted leave, have died, and they have been replaced in the voting arena by young people who are more likely to vote to be part of the EU so a new referendum would likely be won by the rejoin group.
First, the reasons for people voting to leave were not purely economic. For many UK voters there were issues of national sovereignty at stake (because of the EU drive for greater political integration), the influx of people from eastern Europe, as well as perceived EU failings and unaccountability. National sovereignty and immigration and EU unaccountability are significant issues with serious consequences and cannot just be weighed as a price tag. Some things are more important than money.
Second, the financial consequences of Brexit are still hard to truly judge, partly given the impact of the Covid and Ukraine crises, and may improve in the medium term as Britain and the EU both adjust more to the changes, challenges and opportunities from Brexit. They also don't factor in the sizeable heft in the EU budget since we left to cover further EU expansion costs which we would have had to contribute more money towards. Even if the net effect is ultimately a loss financially it may still be considered worth it given the impacts of greater political integration, the expectation to share illegal migrants across Europe and further loss of sovereignty which would have been forced on us if we had remained in the EU.
Third, attitudes of voters usually shift as they age and mature so, despite deaths of older people, the overall voting demographics may not shift that much.
Fourth, when voters realise the much harsher EU terms for rejoining at the time of any future vote I suspect quite a few of those currently in favour of rejoining will think twice about the implications of those terms.
Fifth, by the time of any future vote, the EU itself may not be as attractive to voters given the changes currently underway and planned and the accession of more countries from eastern Europe and the Balkans.
5 labour did win
5 labour did win
No we won, remoaners lost
It's not football, grow up.
We should have not left, as it was illegal.
How was it illegal? There is a process in place to leave the EU which means it is a viable for any member of the EU to leave, so I fail to understand how it was illegal.
still crying after all this time grow up . people like you reason we half in half out and it never work. it take daces to fix mess from the eu but people like you it prob take as long as we were in the eu to fix
Connor your absolutely correct, we had a democratic vote and the people on the left didn't like the result so they wanted a second referendum or just to ignore it
Farage actually said if hed lost the vote he would push for a second referendum. So remain have that exact same right. Especially when its been proved Brexit has been a disaster with no benifits of any type based entirely on lies.
@@martynnotman3467 it wasn't based on lies, we've just just had a useless government to implement it.
Labour didn't want it so they opposed everything, conservatives wanted a light Brexit, instead of going the full hog and benefiting from a fully delivered Brexit.
LEAVING EU STOPPED MANY BANDS FROM TOURING LIKE BEATLES, SELF HARM AT ITS WORST
Think the problem is the U.K. has not fully left the EU and so until we do, we are not going to feel its benefits. In terms of formally re joining, I have no doubt that dumb Britain with vote to rejoin and then we can’t formally kiss goodbye to our borders, our independent arm forces, our currency, our ability to make independent laws, our legal systems, our monetary control, NATO, our independent nuclear deterrent and our general way of life. But I guess this is what people want, especially the young woke brigades and so it would be fun to watch. I’ve already gotten a bucket load of popcorn in!
It was and is again "The sick man of Europe" Still thinking it is an empire
Definitely not they don't want to go back to it Britain's ritual without them countries all is there one is money off Britain poor little Richie sumac lost Labour going he was a good man what's Richie Sumac discussed armour looks Raj I'm sorry can't spell right
Its a matter of time and demographics. The vast majority of under 30s are very pro europe. The clear majority of under 50s are too.
So it will happen one day.
It is not as simple as that. Voters' views tend to shift as they age and mature and the number of older people as a proportion of the population is rising while the birth rate is declining.
Moreover, the context in Europe and in the UK by the time of any future vote are likely to be somewhat different to now. The EU's terms for rejoining will be much harsher than those of our previous membership with negotiated opt-outs and we will have to pay far more (to subsidise the entry into the EU of further nations from the Balkans and eastern Europe) as well as accepting the implications of greater political integration that the EU will insist on. When people find out the true implications and costs I suspect some will change their view.
@@Langstrath thats how its happened in the past. Its not anymore. Thats why the Tories are panicking. And i dont care if we have to adopt euro
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@@martynnotman3467
Time will tell.
You're entitled to your view and so am I.
Regarding the Euro, I do care about retaining our own currency and not being controlled by the ECB. And I care even more about the greater loss of sovereignty that we'd now have to accept to rejoin. It was hard won and, in my view, should not be thrown away for an arrogant, unaccountable organisation that does not understand us, has never truly wanted us except to fund its bills, does not respect us or our sovereignty, has learned nothing from our decision to leave and won't flex in any way at all in negotiations despite what we contributed to it over the years. I see no benefit in being in the EU now and too many reasons to stay well clear of it.
The only thing the EU was needed to be for was trade. We had that with the Common Market.
It just grew into a monster that is out of control.
@@topguydave and science, and education, and defense, and bringing people together.
And lots of other things you wouldnt know about if you only read the Daily Heil..
Inevitable, though hard to see the EU agreeing to any opt-outs to the euro or Schengen - the UK dreams of being a relevant power, still searching for its identity after its empire collapsed, but the reality is very different
This is a fairly out of touch idea, most people wouldn't have been alive to remember what an empire felt like. It was mainly the same kind of sentiment that is currently spreading across Europe, the feeling that decisions are being made without putting the needs of the people first.
@@ce1834 the countries that lead the 21st century and beyond are not the ones with the biggest populations and largest landmass but the countries who adopt emerging technologies first, like a.I. Which Britain is now leading the world in research and development of a.I technologies from Cambridge university. The U.K. is a superpower when it comes to innovation and inventions. We are also a tech superpower as well, just look at Deep mind and ARM which are just two examples of 1,000’s coming out of the U.K. now. Our tech sector is growing fast and the U.K. has recently overtaken China and India and is second only to the U.S. now because the US makes it easier for their tech entrepreneurs to access funding to scale up their operations compared to excessive bureaucracy holding back british tech entrepreneurs. The U.K. has the capability to have its own, independent Silicon Valley but we just need a strong leadership and to cut back on the red tape that prevents our brightest minds getting the investment they need so British tech companies can compete with Americas Microsoft or Apple or Tesla.
No, it is nothing to do with empire, nor about wanting more power or searching for identity; those are common EU misconceptions about the UK, none of which are true. They show just how much the EU misunderstands us and why it deals badly with the UK. None of us in the UK desire or expect the UK to be a global superpower. We do not hanker after empires either. We know our national identity, very well, thank you; it was developed, strengthened, settled and defended over centuries.
It is rather that the EU has repeatedly failed to appreciate our desire to retain our UK national identity and sovereignty and instead wanted to force 'ever-closer political union' on us which would undermine both. It's why we negotiated opt-outs over the Euro and Schengen zones (to retain control of our currency and of our borders). When the EU made moves towards further political integration David Cameron tried to negotiate a different direction or further UK opt-outs and the EU refused to listen. The Brexit vote was the consequence of that EU intransigence.
What finally tipped the scales was the relentless drive of the EU (particularly by France and Germany) to push for ever-closer political union via the introduction of majority voting with no vetos, an EU defence force with EU commanders (instead of NATO), a common EU foreign policy and foreign minister, unaccountable budgets set by an unaccountable EU Commission etc. and the increasing judicial activism of the European Court of Justice against national interests, all of which undermine or remove aspects of the sovereignty of nation states. It also didn't help that we paid billions into the EU to subsidise other parts of Europe, had to put up with bureaucratic regulations and saw very little benefit in return (other than easier travel to mainland Europe and a trade deal).
Sadly, the EU still has not learned the lesson in its dealings with the UK. It did everything it could in the Brexit negotiations to sabotage the UK's sovereignty and poison its ongoing relations with the EU (in order to discourage other nations from leaving in future, to try to establish EU dominance and to further the territorial ambitions of Spain in Gibraltar, Ireland in Northern Ireland, and of the EU's fishing fleets in British waters). The EU is still trying to undermine our sovereignty in Northern Ireland, in Gibraltar and in our home waters while making mutual co-operation and trade more difficult. The EU still thinks national sovereignty is a negotiable commodity and the UK will never accept that.
The UK wanted, and still wants, a favourable trading partnership and easy travel arrangements with mainland Europe; it never wanted a political union where it would have to surrender aspects of its sovereignty as a nation state and it still doesn't (rightly in my view; nation states with their own sovereignties exist for good reasons). Unless the EU learns to respect and accommodate our national sovereignty its relations with the UK will be continue to be rocky and there is no chance the UK will rejoin (even if the EU would allow it) because the terms the EU would demand and its intended further political integration would still not be acceptable to most of the UK population (regardless of what some UK politicians want).
@@Langstrath The unbelievable nationalist nonsense you're spouting. Brexit cost £100 billion in losses in 2022, £140 billion in 2023. In 2024 it will be a loss of 200 billion. The UK will be bankrupt in 10 years.
Labour never propsed a 2nd referendum
DONT LIE
@@matspurs1629 they didn’t
They made their bed, now sleep in it! If there was a chance, I would welcome Scotland back to EU, scottish people are so nice. But english people, no.
Scotland voted to remain in the EU, In fact we were told the only way for Scotland to remain in the EU was to vote no to independence
The vote was close enough that if the Scottish voters who voted to Leave had voted to Remain, it would have changed the result. There was also the matter of the many Scottish people who didn't vote in the referendum... In my view, Scottish people contributed plenty to the UK leaving the EU.
Bit of a sweeping and ignorant statement there.
You deem that all Scottish people are nice and all English people are not? How sweeping and rude of you to say so.
The intransigence of the EU both before and after the Brexit vote had a lot to do with the 'bed' the UK ended up with so the EU cannot claim it was not partly of their making (and it still is - you only have to look at the EU's continuing strategy of undermining UK sovereignty in Northern Ireland to see that is true). The EU is not blameless and we are all living with the consequences.
EU did not want us to leave. There were in disarray when we left 🇬🇧
Scotland voted to remain our vote was undermined as usual by the english
There are more of us, and we fund your existence.
I voted to join the common market should never have left, I voted stay I don't give a shit for brexit vote
I would have voted to stay in if it was still the common market, buts its not
Please shit, else you will burst eventually. 😆
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