AVOID MINI LATHE SELLER (AMADEAL) EBAY, CHEAP CHINESE COPY CLONE
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ย. 2024
- This video is about my purchase and complete unprofessional conduct of the company known as AMADEAL on ebay.
This company was terrific to deal with when I was interested in purchasing their item.
However after running their machine for 20 minutes it soon became apparent that this machine was not the workhorse it was advertised as.
The Speedo sensor was the first to fail, I managed to have that issue corrected.
Then within the next 1 and a half hours of use the machine totally failed, motor was hunting different speeds, would not reach half the speed it was supposed to in high and low gear.
I contacted the company who offered to send out a new control board, for me to fit myself, I agreed, but after thinking about it I contacted them and explained that they advertised this machine as a workhorse, and the fact it broke twice in 2 hours of use, I do not trust the quality of this machine and requested that it be returned for a full refund.
This is where communication started to fall apart, they would not answer emails so I entered a PayPal claim and within 15 minutes I received a phone call, I have explained I want this item collected and returned and that it is all packaged up awaiting their collection.
I was told they would go ahead and make it happen.
After no contact for days, I decided to call the company on the number they called me from.
At first I was told the boss was off sick, Luke the little sissy who answered the phone decided it would be easier to insult me and try and start a personal fight on the phone, than be professional about it, and would still refuse to return my goods for full refund.
I let him know that if my money was not returned to me that I would make my way down to their business address in a few days to either collect My money or take it from them personally.
To which I was told... LISTEN HERE, IM NO LITTLE BOY.
which is basically saying if I try to get my money back I will have to go through him first.
Intimidation techniques.
But since Luke from AMADEAL sounds like a 12 year old little girl, it didn't come across all that threatening, however it was the most unprofessional company I have ever dealt with, and I have had my fair share of sales go bad.
This is not a company you should invest any money into, fast to take your cash, but try everything in the book to delay giving you a professional service whenever in does not go their way, if you do not accept one of their faulty part stockpile you will just be ignored and fobbed off.
Hugh is the man in charge, but Luke sounds like a spotty little he/she and I can't think for the life of me why that little goon would be allowed to take phone calls when he treats a customer's like crap.
I still do not have a date for this faulty, rusty, ruined lathe to be collected so I guess I will leave it up to PayPal for the time being.
I know this has been a mega rant, but I just want to open peoples eyes to the shady workings of a company who claim to be customer service friendly.
I would avoid this company at all costs, it's just not worth your hobby time or money.
Lots of other companies out there that can take care of your hobby needs with bags more professionalism that this lot of pirates.
Maybe by the time Luke's voice breaks he might have learned an important skill in customer care.
AVOID AMADEAL AT ALL COSTS, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED !
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UPDATE !!!!
AMADEAL ARE CLAIMING MACHINE IS DAMAGED, CLAIMING GEARS ARE TOTALLY STRIPPED SO REFUSING A REFUND.
BUT WE HAVE THE PROOF ON VIDEO THAT THEY ARE NOT STRIPPED AND ITS THE CONTROL BOARD THATS FAULTY.
TRYING EVERY TRICK IN THE BOOK TO NOT TO PAY ME BACK.
I PHONED AMADEAL AND WAS TOLD IF I JUST CLAIM THROUGH PAYPAL WE WOULD BOTH BE REIMBURSED, THIS COMPANY IS DISGUSTING, OBVIOUSLY THEY BEHAVE THIS WAY VERY COMMONLY.
AVOID THIS COMPANY AT ALL COSTS, THEY ARE VERY DODGY PEOPLE.
PAYPAL HAVE NOW FROZEN THE MONEY ON THE ACCOUNT, AND A NEW CLAIM HAS BEEN OPENED, IF NO REFUND IN 7 DAYS I HAVE TO ESCALATE FOR PAYPAL TO TAKE CONTROL.
PLEASE DONT LET THIS BE YOU.
THIS COMPANY WILL OPENLY LIE EVEN THOUGH THEY KNEW I HAD VIDEO EVIDENCE.
UPDATE 2
After attempting to lie to PayPal and creating false damage in a bid to not refund me.
PayPal has awarded me a full refund of every penny.
May this be a lesson to anyone purchasing a mini lathe, if you have to return it for anything, please have footage taken of it running before you send it back.
I learned it is very common for sellers to totally damage items returned in a bid to not refund the customer.
And this may be how there is so many stories about stripped gears from sellers, it's easy for them to turn machine on and yank it out of gear and attempt to put it back in, and BINGO one fully damaged lathe, and then usr that as the reason you sent it back.
Very dirty way to do business.
I'm very happy I got all of my money back, i really thought at best I would get partial refund because of this.
Very bad experience, please don't take the risk with these pirates.
Too me gears are not the issue electronics is the fault,,,,,, and as they have it back whos to say they did not put stripped gears in off another bollocked machine just clutching at straws
@@boonster666 they are full of crap, I have video showing the lathe still running smoothly just not running at the speed it was supposed to.
If gears were stripped that lathe would either not turn at all or turn in an awful action like a buckled back bicycle wheel.
Told me he had spent a long time on the phone to ebay the day before I sent it back, and basically told ebay he expected it back with damage ?
Because I had been arguing on the phone with them.
Sleazy fraudulent clowns.
I thought these were a trusted company but they work out of a small unit.
But it took the biscuit when he said.. just make a claim at PayPal and we can both get money back.
These people are the scum of ebay.
@@oraclescave From my experience with all the mini lathes I have had any involvement with the electronics are the main weak link. I am told by a friend involved in electronics the electronics overheat and fry the Mosfat transistors, He fitted fans in his larger box that he made and had no more trouble with the electronics. The variable resistor is also a component that fails, But in fairness it does get used a lot.
I have had swarf make its way down the spindle shaft and fall into the gears jamming a gear or gears. In my opinion this is a design flaw as if they had made the spindle slightly longer, swarf would fall harmlessly outside the gearbox and could be collected in a container of some sort outside of the machines gearbox,
If swarf does get in the gears one of 2 things will happen. The two usually nylon tumbler gears for forward and reverse are sacrificial gears and one or both of these will strip the teeth, which cost about a fiver to replace,, It will then make a wiring sound, but the spindle will not move or move very little,
If you are unlucky one of the bigger gears will get swarf between one of the teeth and jamb on the gear it is running on and one or perhaps two gears will jump their keys seizing the machine. and ruining the affected gears.
If the machine is not stopped further problems will arise and it could strip the motor and pulley gears and or belt.
Plus of course if left running in faulty state, it could burn out the motor and fry the board, but no one will let it get to that stage. Once something is wrong, the problem will probably be investigated immediately.
I fit an expanding Mandrel In my spindles which prevents swarf getting anywhere near the gears. I also use the mandrel for a hand crank, indexing and a few other operations. But these machines can work well and I speak from a few years experience,. Ideally I would replace the motor with a 3 phase motor and VFD which solves the electronics issues and is something I will do with mine in time to give it more torque. These machines do need some tweaking out of the box, but the essentials are easily done. I think you may unfortunately have just have been unlucky, as I have to report that I have always had good service with Amadeal, but then having said that I didn't have to return my lathe and it is hardly a standard Item now, as I have made many mod and improvements to my machine. Your experience is worrying though.
Incidentally the hunting you mentioned is a simple adjustment on the IR pre set resistor on the board and it is documented elsewhere on youtube. Anyway good luck with whatever machine you do finally end up with
Thanks a lot Stephen that was lots of good information for me and anyone that reads this in future.
I will probably settle for a good antique needing some love or might just keep my eyes open for a really cheap used chinese one for experimenting with.
This company is unbelievably ruthless beneath the polite phone voices.
Never dealt with such criminals before on eBay.
The fact these machines are a bit hit and miss, it's scary to know these guys at AMADEAL have a system in place that they use to cheat the system, shame it involves damaging the machine after return and trying to blame the customer.
Just a parasite feeding on hobbyists.
Very dodgy people.
Lesson learned and in future I will pay more, to use reputable people.
Happy New Year bud
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@@oraclescave Indeed, It is a shame you had such a rough ride with AmadeaI, I won't be buying another machine from them as this one should see me out :)
I have to have a lathe this sort of size because of space limitations so I have worked out way to get it to do what I want it to do and frankly I am pushing these machines beyond their design limits really, but providing you are aware of this you can make cuts of suitable depth so they can cope. Even the 750W motor on these newer machines can struggle, Hence the Idea I will be moving to 3 phase and vfd at a later date.
Its a learning curve though and I come from an engineering background. but might I suggest you take a look at some of the Steve Jordan videos to get an idea of the sort of thing you can achieve on a lathe not just the mini lathe he has a Myford as well. In particular his earlier videos.
I think you are right though and If I had the room I would want something older and better than the lathe I have now. You have to think these lathes have stood the test of time for a reason. They were built to a specification rather than a price. Which Is why they have survived so well.
Here's wishing you a great new year and I look forward to seeing more videos from you. Regards
I have completely opposite experience with Amadeal.
I bought same lathe from them.
Ordered some more stuff with lathe, some tools etc. I asked to put all the stuff into same box. And they did and all was ok.
UPS carrier did drop the package somewhere and lathe was damaged.
Amadeal asked to mark package as damaged and take pics.
When i got package i reviewed it and only damage there was is with the backplate.
Rear cover. That tiny sheet was bent at the corner. That's all.
Communicating with Amadeal was very positive.
I said that the damage is so minor that its not important.
And they offered a discount for my next purchase as compensation for the trouble.
And i got 30% off the tools.
Lathe is in perfect condition, all working, no problems, real workhorse.
I have talked to like with 3 people from Amadeal. Hugh, Luke and there was even one more.
Have to look up her/his name.
Anyways all of them were very positive and very helpful with my case
Weird and Sad you had bad luck.
jw200 I have the same from Amadeal. I collected the lathe in person and it was running fine for years in my damp garage. Sad that people have problems.
My lathe was like that. There are 2 little screw pots inside that cover one says low one says high. No sweat just adjust while its running and watch the tach. Takes 5 minutes top.
Mark H what do the pots do. I just replaced the board on my lathe and its not running to the same power it did with the old board so am I right to assume they are current limiting?
@@markdavis4754 Sorry, I can't really say if that's your cure. Mine simply wouldn't stop after you turned the speed all the way down it would still be moving. I could stop it with my hand but let go it started turning.I turned the low screw just a hair and it stopped.Maybe you could turn your knob full blast and turn the HIGH screw and see if it goes faster. But that's on you be safe and good luck!
Hello, I am Italian and I bought this same lathe, from Amadeal, and I can only say that in the transport they broke a piece, I sent emails and they proceeded to make me have the spare part at no cost, so according to me and a serious company.
As far as the lathe are all of Chinese import, and the updates and improvements must absolutely do them, my lathe works very well, just clean and maintain, regularly, the problems that you had were normal, just that you took precautions!
I bought the same lathe ,very satisfied, good price ,no problems,
I'm glad you got what you paid for, just remember to fix any faults yourself, even if you have to research the repair for a few nights, do not send back.
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Bought mill and this lathe from them. Guy answered all my questions. My lathe doesn't keep smooth speed when cold either. You had bad luck but not all of us.
Apparently not bad luck, just opted to use their returns service on heavy goods.
I was not aware they would lie to rip you off.
The lathe was awesome and had a fault I expected to encounter, but apart from that I could not speak highly enough about the quality of the lathe I received.
Companies that are just pretendy Wendy overrated middlemen, that use illegal practices to try and steal customers money, when all they do is accept a package and send it back out.
Drop shippers, cheaper getting it straight from China and not paying those crooks at AMASTEAL.
Everything is all good if you don't plan on sending it back if it has an issue, they will gladly help when you will do it yourself, but try using there large goods returns service.
If it breaks, fix it yourself.
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Sorry but I can't entirely agree with you there. You bought probably at the lowest end of the market - I can understand your feelings - but my experience of Amadeal and their products are nothing but good. I've had 2 mills and 2 lathes off them over a period of about 5 years in different workshops. The lathes have stood the test of time (including some really tough stainless work) and I love using my current mill. Service is good, you can get through to a UK speaking operator easily enough and when you visit them in London - they are very, very nice to work with and talk to.
Bollox
As said previously, these are kits that always require work to get running smoothly. Amadeal does not make these lathes, China does, so I did my research before I bought and knew exactly what I was getting into. Mine is now an outstanding performer and is very accurate. If you don't expect to fiddle with machine to make it what you want, you should have bought a higher quality item. I wish you luck.
Bollox
I've had mine 5 years and never had a problem and I've done lots of work as you can see on my channel. I also have a bench mill . They've paid for themselves 10 times over. I can understand if you have no experience and lack of care then you might have problems or you're just unlucky. If mine broke I would buy another tomorrow.
Very harsh review, several contradictions. Sounds like Amadeal were trying to solve the problem by working with you to sort it - ie a new control board. yes it's frustrating when something is not quite right - work with them - they were prepared to help. Why would you expect them to collect it when it could be easily resolved with your cooperation? My experience was completely different with these guys. Superb company instant responses and always available in the phone. I just wanted to add some balance to this review.
Just because I chose to use their returns feature, does not mean I am to blame for anything, and the fact several people who have used their returns feature on big items have suffered similar fate.
Speakes volumes about how trust worthy they are, let alone mocking me on the phone about not returning the lathe or the money.
But of course because it didn't happen to you, you can tell me I'm wrong for using a feature they promote for such circumstances.
Yes they were prepared to send out a part, but I was not prepared to start pulling the electronics apart and void my own warranty within hours of getting it.
So I rather return it and spend my money elsewhere, unfortunately they thought they would screw me over and try and keep my money and the lathe and make a joke of it.
Why would I not give a bad review.
It was a bad experience, infact probably my worst experience purchasing anything full stop.
So all due respect, but if that encounter doesn't directly describe a bad experience to you, I can only advise spending all of your spare money at AMADEAL lol
I can only speak as I find.
@@g4mvlg8vse40 and did you find their chinese parts drop off service or their return heavy goods service ?
That sounds about right. Thanks for the video, I'm definitely not going that route.
Do not avoid Amadeal!
I have had the same lathe and mini mill from Amadeal for 5 years - no problems. What do you need 2500rpm for? polishing?
Exactly, you didn't have to deal with the shady returns issues, where they put damage all over the machine and claim you done it.
Then laugh about it on the phone saying there is nothing you can do about it.
Yeah right buddy.
What really happened was you bought a machine that wasn't a lemon and lived happy ever after.
And I wanted that speed because they sold me it as being capable of doing so.
So I expected that at least.
If you buy things because they can't do what they say they can.
And try to steal your money after falsifying damages.
Good on you, total muppet.
By all means say you had a good experience.
But dont make out mine wasn't a bad experience because it wasn't you losing £1000.
I expect what I'm sold and anything less is a con.
Thats just common sense.
Its this Man he's thick as pig shit. took Him a hour to put in gear on his first vid on the lathe. Right plant pot He is
@@oraclescave You deserve it You creature made up you got ripped off haaaaaaaaa
I'm not surprised that there would be issues with any of the chinese mini lathes, especially the 500 buck variety... I got a 7x16 one for aroiund 500 also and it has issues out of the box, but I could've spent 800-900 and had issues too. Not too many of these companies are having them deburred, Adjusted and/or tuned or even precision anything so anyway, you get what you pay for. Get a Grizzly or Micro Mark... (Seig) etc. they're a bit better generally
Amadeal were well shot of him as a customer.
So what if he paid £1000. It's still a fraction of the cost he should expect to pay if he wants Rolls Royce (of old) quality & service. A new Myford would be £13k.
Shut up you donut, I take it you are a REAL engineer since you have a 13k drill laying on its side.
Get a grip, I bet you constantly brag about your machine and how crap everyone else is that has one, compared to you.
Ha ha ha ha ha
It's just a drill bro.
High-school kids do what you do ffs.
And myfords can be got for £750 in reasonable condition, so you are full of mince.
I bought a machine that was faulty, and because I wanted them to refund my money they tried to refuse refund.
Even tried to claim it was damaged in delivery when I sent it back.
But I had videos of it being packaged up and it being sent, no damage, and it arrived with no damage.
So not only their customer service and warranty were bad, but so was their business practices.
So you can jump on the bandwagon and suck a fat one too.
Fake engineer coz you play with a drill lolololol
You fake engineers are funny, it's like you want other people to think you are special.
"SPECIAL YOU ARE"
I've had mine 5 years and never had a problem and I've done lots of work as you can see on my channel. I also have a bench mill . They've paid for themselves 10 times over. I can understand if you have no experience and lack of care then you might have problems or you're just unlucky. If mine broke I would buy another tomorrow.
No experience, with a drill machine ?
All it does is spin.
It was faulty electronics that went bad, but it was the dealer that was the biggest problem.
English cucks
The potentiometer failed on mine after a few uses, the bits in better quality are available. i had to bypass the speed control pot and run it at full speed, could easily just have been a dicky potentiometer.
Thanks for heads up, but in future, please only state facts and back off on the ranting.
Keep us all posted on this seller.👍
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I have the exact same lathe the control box was damaged on delivery they were very quick to respond and sent me a new box which I had to transfer over all the internals.ive had the lathe well over a year with no problems at all.you do need to cover the thing in oil in winter months with the damp weather but it's the same for any machinery.mine won't reach max rpm in high gear gets to 2000rpm but I only use low gear upto 1000 rpm anyway.ps have stalled machine a number of times and plastic gears have been fine.good luck.
Chip lathe like this and mine demands some fix before they run good. Common knowledge, mine to, for the money it isn't bad ✌
I'm having a problem with amadeal too. The speed control board you're talking about is supposed to be American made but mine has blown too & started making the motor spark & my electrics blow. Emailed them with no reply. Rung them eventually & got sent an email with a list of things to check. I did that & emailed the results last week. Still no reply so I rang them today to see what could be done. All I want to know is if they think it's the speed control board. They sell that on it's own for 88 quid but I don't want to buy that & find out it's the rest of the box because I'd have to buy the whole box again, including another speed control board for 147 quid!!! When I checked the motor brushes they barely looked worn, that's how little use my lathe has seen. A lot of what's on their website isn't even in stock, including the control box I need. Obviously they've never heard of stock control. Don't know if amadeal were ever any good when a problem arises but definitely a bunch of eastend cowboys now
Damn, I'm sorry to hear that bud, my worst fear was spending all that money and the lathe being a lemon.
Although my issue could have been fixed, I got a very shady feeling from the guy by the way he was speaking ( HUGH )
And when it came to returning it, and he said we are not refunding you because the lathe was damaged all over....
I personally was arranging a train to go and beat the living shit out of him, as he was winding me up on the phone, being cocky about not refunding me.
I have never been so angry towards a company or it's staff in my entire 38 years of living.
Looks like that is how they deal with returns, PayPal told me it's a very common practice for sellers that sell tools of this mass, as it can cost them to return it to manufacturers.
He told me he had a stockpile of control boards he would send one out once his engineer ran through some things to try.
I said... STOCKPILE, no thanks, sounds like these machines keep breaking.
Especially if a small business has a large stockpile.
They are very polite, and make everything go smooth, but when it comes to returns, these are the most scandalous bastards on eBay.
As far as I know, these are the Chinese boards not the American boards that are an upgrade.
These chinese cheese boards have very poor solder, and are put together by inexperienced workers for mass production.
If I was you I would push for him to send out a control board.
MY problem was, I didn't want to mess with the machine in case it voided my warranty, which he said it wouldn't, but legally it would.
If you are going to return it for full refund, I suggest you take loads of pictures and video of it running and doing the stuff it's doing, and film it being packaged up.
That's what saved my bacon because I sensed he was up to something, and didn't want to lose my money.
He lied to ebay and said it was damaged all over.
It was sparkling clean and perfect except the speed issue.
PayPal reviewed the evidence and awarded me full refund.
Worst purchasing experience of my life.
I really hope you be very careful how you go about it, they are scummy liars, and returns are not part of their business model.
I know how gut wrenchingly horrible this feels bud, just try and get the part, if it fixes it then happy days.
But they boards are all over the internet, bad bad circuit boards, you might end up with a new board that lasts 2 hours again.
I would push for full refund and then try and purchase elsewhere like GRIZZLY, or someone with good customer Care that's backed by loads of people.
Cowboys is the polite term for them, but they know how to screw you over, and it looks like it's only the people returning things that end up having issues with this company.
And a companies strong point is customer care.
I feel for you man, but please record everything from sound of the machine, up close, it's your only defence to get your money back.
And if it does go shady, let PayPal deal with it NOT EBAY
PAYPAL NOT EBAY
do not complain through ebay
ONLY PAYPAL.
That's important !
Good luck bro, and keep me posted on what happens, soon this AMADEAL lot will be outed for their shady practices.
P.s I think this might be the biggest message I have ever sent lol
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I bought a very similar lathe from Amadeal couple years ago - there were a couple of minor issues which they sorted out quickly, and it's been fine since. I also bought a mill, and numerous smaller tools from them, can't recommend them more highly.
Nice, but have you had to return your item ?
That's where everyone is having the trouble, once you return it to them, they claim it has all sorts of damage all over it and refuse to refund you.
It's different to have things sent out to you that are missing or broken, replacements
But customer service on returns is criminal.
Glad everything worked out for you and you managed to dodge returning your lathe
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@@oraclescave Only problem on the lathe was with the lead screw retainers, they dint fit right and the screw jammed on the half-nuts at one end. They sent out replacements, but I ended up shimming the existing ones so the screw ran correctly.
The mill I bought had a problem initially, the contactor wasn't working and I couldn't power it up. They dint have a replacement in stock but said they would order one and send it out to me. I found the fault (loose wire) and fixed it myself so they dint need to send the replacement part.
I bought a rotary table from them couple weeks ago, I'm very happy with it but there was a minor issue with the dividing plate set, they sent out a replacement which arrived next day, with a pre-paid bag to return the faulty parts.
Would be nice if everything worked perfectly first time, but I'm very happy with the after-sales care I get, which is next best thing imo.
I agree. The Real Bull lathes are a bit nicer than the Sieg lathes (Harbor Frieght, etc).
Cheers have been looking at a few companies that do lathes and REALLY glad you posted this on AMADEAL company,,,,,
will steer clear and i know this video will get out to the engineering community, and anyone interested will like wise avoid, seen their Ebay page but glad you put up
a fair warning about this, thanks again for saving me the future worry of dealing with them cheers,,,,,,, dont forget the feedback make people aware
To be honest, the way this company dealt with me in the beginning, I would never have expected this level of nonsense.
I really do hope this video makes people aware of these pirates.
The do not deserve the money or the reputation they are milking from hobbyists.
Im sure PayPal will execute perfect protocol, so I have 100% piece of mind that my money will find it's way home, and like you said, many more people will be warned in advance if they are in the search for tooling like this, that this company should be on the avoided list amongst the community.
Glad you never got screwed over, check and double check the seller you end up using.
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ORACLE'S CAVE Nice one mate a lot of people would have just caved in. Glad you got yr money back from the twats, to be honest the way they advertise this lathe looks brill with the extras, nearly bought the same as you only 2hrs ago. Thanks again for yr post and hope you find a better one 🤘🤘
Here's my views. If you buy a Chinese lathe ANYWHERE you buy a kit of parts. If you persevere you might get something that works reasonably for the money. Much better to buy a second-hand Drummond or such. Hindsight is always 20/20
Yes Emma very true, I could have got a myford ML10 lathe for £650
But decided to go with the more up to date version because they had really good reviews, but it's a really crappy machine, it's just too squeaky and weak.
Rusting after half hour of use, and then the failure of the main brain.
They advertise this as a WORKHORSE lol
It's more like a luxury pencil sharpener
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Wish you'd asked. The ML 10 is a workhorse. The Chinese lathes are just a kit of parts in almost every case, unfortunately
Oracle... I'm a bit confused about your deal on the 7x14-Chinese-Lathe...
in all fairness to the need to Clean/Adjust most any of these items...
was the essence of your problems in not knowing exactly how to operate it
and some mis-understanding of measurements...
-OR- did I miss too much ?
once you got your headstock plastic gears changed to the Metal...
is that OK ?
was there a problem with the circuit board ? did it get resolved
or just sink to a low in customer service...
do you still have it?
it is running for you ?
thanks in Texas...
I had spotted the basically same unit that sells on eBay for $500us
delivered to me... I expect to clean/adjust and upgrade it...
BUT your postings have me concerned.
... NO, it is not the uk-eBay-seller you mentioned...
but we can all change eBay-Names in an evening...
I would appreciate your opinion of the lathe,
seperate from the "company/seller'...
both are important... thanks ToyFJ40
Lathe was beautiful
Very well made, exceptional quality.
I had a faulty electronics board in my lathe, easily switched out for another part.
My problem was the company/seller
He offered to send me the part, but at the time I was very mad at the lathe only lasting 2 hours, I told him I was not interested in changing it myself after 2 hours of use and spending a £1000 GBP.
I wanted them to fix it for me or replace with a new lathe.
They asked me to send it back, so I did.
Then recieved a phone call stating that the lathe had damage all over it and they were refusing to refund me.
However this was not true, I made a video of cleaning it and packaging it up ready to be sent back.
And the package was signed for in perfect condition, so either they damaged it, or they lied about the damage.
The seller then started mocking me on the phone saying there was nothing I could do about it, then proceeded to threaten me over the phone.
At that point i was getting prepared to go down to england and do damage to his property.
But when I produced my evidence to Ebay, they stated it was not the first time this seller had been flagged for this issue and other issues just like it.
So they refunded me the full amount and case was closed.
I never fitted the steel gears, they were gor security, if the plastic ones failed I would of beefed up with the steel gears, but those plastic gears are very strong.
So overall, it was the company customer service that failed, if I wanted a refund for it failing in 2 hours, I am more than entitled to get my refund, and his customer service should have provided me that service instantly with no question.
I'm not afraid to pull things apart and fix them, I do it all the time, but 2 hours in, I was demanding he fixed the problem.
There was nothing wrong with the lathe, mass produced items always need cleaned up, screws checked and tightened and thread locked and all kinds of stuff.
So my speed sensor failing was just a loose screw holding it in place, no drama
But the lathe not turning as it should, is a serious problem, if a new car had similar defect it would have been recalled instantly.
This seller was just a middle man screwing everybody out of a lot of cash for just being an inbetweener.
I would gladly have one of these lathes again, intact I'm currently keeping my eye out for similar lathes that may have faults or just selling cheap used.
This company should be avoided at all costs and that goes for similar companies near you.
MAKE SURE THE COMPANY YOU CHOOSE HAS VERY GOOD BACKGROUND IN CUSTOMER CARE AND YOU WILL BE VERY HAPPY.
Great lathe, awesome piece of kit, is mass produced, will need checking over
But absolutely not "bad chinese" quality, amazing quality.
Poor soddering was the fault on the board, but that's nothing to cry about.
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE CUSTOMER SERVICE
now go buy your lathe buddy
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thanks for the prompt/thorough reply. as mentioned, I was primarily interested to know if the basic machine was "ok" or just-cheap-chinese-junk. There are too many models to select from and buying via eBay adds to the complexity due to poor details of the equipment...
I have an issue with delivery. in US a LOT of stuff is delivered by UPS or FedEx package services... but they do not handle boxes more than about 50-60-pounds in weight.. models of these Lathes run 100~125 pounds,
SO that is likely to be delivered by Freight-Truck run by a teamster-union driver and they want an extra $30+us just for the power-tail-gate to
put the box on the driveway... OK, BUT the seller WILL NOT answer the question as to how will this ship to me... they seem to be avoiding the issue to get me to place an order THEN I get hit with delivery fees that
make the Lathe not desirable... I hope to decide in the next week or two.
thanks again. take care. ToyFJ40
All these lathes are cheap Chinese ones. Amadeal are one of the cheaper ones and so are at the lower end; the more expensive ones are similar, but have some improvements, which is why they cost more.
Clearly you don't even have one, because you are full of crap.
The version lathe I had happened to be the most expensive of its model, there is no higher version of this model.
And no its not really "cheap chinese" stuff, it happens to be very well made, thats why BRANDED companies get away with charging stupid amounts, and must be good quality for people like GRIZZLY to be putting their brand on it.
I did not have one complaint about how the machine was built, excellent quality, beautiful ground surfaces, everything moved smoothly, and nothing was squint, or bent or designed bad.
I had an issue with a poorly made electronics board, but the main issue was because AMADEAL tried to LIE so they could keep the lathe AND my MONEY.
If anything, I would have loved to keep the lathe and install a more powerful motor and much better speed controller for using with metal.
Everybody is quick to call everything from China, cheap and nasty, for a start 90% of everything you own comes from there, even all of your AWESOME TOP BRAND THINGS.
Yes this lathe is just a glorified drill laying on it's side, but is very very well made, there tolerances were spot on and nothing needed tweaked because it had been ground wrong or put together wrong.
So clearly you are just jumping on the bandwagon repeating the same old crap as most of the other commentary that claim its Chinese crap when they have never came close to owning one.
Or the advice to go buy a really old lathe as they were bomb proof, again full if crap, most myford lathes etc... have been used so much over the years that the ultra straight machined surfaces are actually worn into a dip, and don't even come close to being as perfectly ground as that lathe I had.
There is nothing wrong with the quality of that mini lathe, yes the controller board on mine was bad, but out of millions of T.V.s some remote controls go bad too, its not a secret that mass produced electronics are made in a RUSH by people with barely any soldering skills, but the machined surfaces being taken care of by CNC grinding machines, I would hardly call them cheap Chinese crap.
Its funny how much little information gets repeated by people who don't actually have any experience with the item in question, its basically CHINESE WHISPERS from the playground days.
There's nothing like feeling important looking like you know about something you don't.
It's a very HUMAN trait.
And the more expensive bigger machines happen to have a lot more problems than the model I chose, so that's another fact corrected.
Dear, dear, you are rude! I was merely pointing out that if you had bought the same lathe from Warco or Chester, you would have got a machine which is equipped with UK electrics. Both these companies test and check and rewire their lathes as necessary, which is why they are more expensive for the same model. Amadeal is one of a number of companies that do not test their lathes, merely sending them out in the box that arrived from China. I bought my mini lathe from Chester 15 years ago and it has never given any problems. The mini lathes are pretty awful, nowhere near the accuracy of a high quality lathe like a Myford or a Colchester Bantam, but for the money they are exceptional value and can turn out acceptable work.
@@colinmartin2921 Thank you very much for your compliment I try to be as rude as I can, I'm glad people are seeing the effort I put into being such a jackass.
I also tried sourcing another "OLDER" lathe with the help of a long time served machinist, but all myfords we had checked had very worn machining surfaces, to the point they resembled upside down rainbows 🌈
But calling them "exceptional value for money" and capable after calling them cheap chinese crap just shows what a hypocrite you are.
ARE YOU ENGLISH BY ANY CHANCE ?
@@oraclescave My God you are not only rude but racist! Hopefully Scotland can have its independence soon so that you do not have to share this country with any other races.
I just bought 2 50 year old American made lathes for 400 dollars and still much better then Chinese
So how would you know if you were doing 1100 or 2500 RPM if the number of display digits is three and the fourth digit is 10ths? Did miss something on the video?
When it goes past 999.9 the display will day 1000 without the dot 😎
Orackes cave Did u get it sorted?
@normanator1971 top comment was the full story
There is an adjustment pots inside that control box . If you say you bought tooling for this machine why not keep it let them send you a new box and use the new tooling. They don't even have to send a new box all you have to do is tweak the potentiometer inside . These machines require work right out of the box and I'm sure you knew that when you bought it like you said you only paid 500 for it
None of that matters
I tried to use a companies returns service fully within my rights after spending that much with them.
They tricked me and tried to lie to steal my money.
I would gladly buy another one of these lathes and yes I can expect to do some tinkering.
But when I spend a grand and your shit breaks within 2 hours, I might just be passed off enough just to ask for my money back.
Or break your teeth, but they were hundreds of miles away so I chose a refund instead
@@oraclescave yes I can understand the frustration and that is why most people in this industry know what they are getting into when they buy a machine of this caliber. This proves the point that some people shouldn't even consider buying a machine like this if they are not prepared to take a gamble with it being a p.o.s
@@michaelbrocato7535 2 faults in 2 hours with 2 separate parts of the machine, that shouldn't of really happened so soon.
The first issue I was fine with, but they convinced me this was no ordinary lathe, but that it was a workhorse.
I thought maybe they upgraded bearings, belts, motors or some internals or something to be a workhorse.
Turns out they do nothing but be a middleman and collect more profit than the company that they bought it from.
I take it you're another PRETENDY WENDY "MACHINIST"
because you have used a lathe before lol
So nobody else is allowed to own one because you know the names of everything to do with using a lathe.
Get a grip its an overated drill lying on its side, wakey wakey you are not really a ROCKET SCIENTIST.
You play with a spinny thing to make circle cylindrical things.
You must feel the need for a reward
For your awesome machinist world championships.
By any chance, are you from England
@@oraclescave no not from England and no not a machinist . If you were dumb enough to believe that this was any but a drill laying on its side then you deserve to get ripped off pay attention to what you buy next time . If you make a video complaining about a product that was known to be worth a shit I could understand you making a rant vid but this was a piece of shi# right out of the box what did you expect
Oh man i wish i had seen this video earlier. I ordered from them it has been a month and still no answer from them even though i send numerous emails.
I have not heard anything about people not receiving their item after ordering, you will be the first.
Try phoning their shop to get them to chase up your purchase, they won't ignore their phones.
They have a small business unit they work from.
@@oraclescave well, after telling them that i will contact the citizens consumer service if they don't reply, they sent me an email that they will ship my order very soon. I hope.
hi, there are many probs: semilar got one like yours 7' x 14" and its excellent, what i found fault, is the tool change, it's 1.8 mm lower then the center chuck point, SO i put a washer and wala, so mate i think when we can solve a problem, it will b peace full then anything,hope u'll solve that too, we sure there are a few more then i can see, BUT nogociate and it will wotk for both, and we needto remember we get what we pay for, I THINK cheers
PayPal just informed me I'm getting a full refund, the problem was not really the lathe.
I had contacted the company for help diagnose the problem, they ignored all my emails.
As soon I got PayPal involved the company phoned, and being very shady towards me.
Knowing my money was invested with shady people, I decided to pull out of the sale.
So the company damaged the lathe even more, in an attempt to not pay me back my money.
They were caught lying, and I have received all of my money back.
I will never purchase one of these lathes ever again, but that's not because of the lathe, that's because of the company full of pirates AMADEAL.
As long as people find a really trustworthy company to work with, I'm sure owning one of these lathes would be ok, but plagued with far too many faults for me to even stay interested in.
I will purchase a 3D printer instead
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Ya got me rolling on the floor laughing. You buy a cheap chinese lathe and you expected what? BTW, all the accessories and material you bought are not the seller's fault.
You should expect it to do what they advertise it to do but maybe not for as long as you’d like it to. As for extras bought for it, he could probably utilise them with another machine if it’s a qctp for example.
It’s probably not such a bad thing, you were gonna have a serious accident with that thing, basic lathe safety obviously wasn’t included in the instructions.
These lathes don’t come ready to work out of the box, you have to know a bit about them (& a general bit of mechanical knowledge), they need completely dismantling & setting up properly to begin with. Even then they need a few sensible mods if you want to use them seriously.
I’d recommend the Warco one
HA HA HA its just a drill on its side, nothing complicated about it at all.
Some people who use them seem to think they are some kind of engineer lol
Injuries are fun, never had 2 injuries the same, we don't mind broken bones and missing fingers around here.
I would recommend that little lathe for delrin and other plastics, but yes a much more substantial machine is needed for any type of excessive metal work.
Ideal for a model maker.
I personally don't give a shit about safety, I grind and smoke and weld in a hut with open petrol containers, I grind fiberglass and wear no mask.
Some people care about these things, I have better things on my mind, like CALL OF DUTY ZOMBIES
@@oraclescave I turn stainless & titanium on my little lathe, but it’s set up properly & slightly modified (it was also bought from a reputable company, Warco). I use it almost daily in my business. But I actually am a proper engineer, so that probably helps, they’re certainly not suitable straight out of the box.
I’m certainly not a health & safety nut, but I need all my fingers & eyes & these little machines can certainly do some damage.
Machining isn’t for everyone, we’ve all got our talents, your fibreglass work looks great from what I’ve seen, there’s an art to that stuff, I never had the patience for it.
Any Chinese lathe will always be a potential project altho it shouldn't be. I have a Warco 920 bought second hand but it always need work, the 4 jaw is a totally laughable design, unusable and an absolute waste of metal. The Vertical slide again really is a joke , as is the quality of the Tailstock lock, both slide and spindle. But it cost me around 1/5th the cost of an equivalent Myford ( of which I couldn't afford )and after learning its faults and compensating, can be a very useful machine. That's what anybody who buys Chinese needs to know
The control unit has adjustable multi turn pots to stabilize the operation and speed. If it's not set up at the pots right the motor will pulsate and not run steady. There are 3 pots one that adjusts torque , speed , and power to main driver circuits which controls this motor these pots are marked on the control board.
This lathe was returned with mega drama.
I will be getting a bigger machine, but thanks for posting that information, this could be very helpful to others experiencing this issue.
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I like buying things with PAYPAL. They take care of the customer.
Sorry your lathe was a lemon. I bought my mini lathe from
Harbor Freight. They charged me $7.00 shipping, delivered
right to my door, and I have been using it almost daily for months.
They even let me use a 20% off coupon. I'm in the USA so things
may be different for you. I liked the way you handled the little punk
trying to bully you on the phone. Love your video dude.
Thanks man, yeah PayPal totally saved my ass on this one, I thought these shady pirates were going to be aloud to keep my money and the lathe.
It nearly escalated to SHTF scenario.
I really wanted this lathe to be my next best tool, i fully understand that lemons are very common on mass produced things, but exposing the false customer care and downright arrogance mocking me about not giving my money back and false damage scam.
Future buyers might be a bit more weary about where they spend their money.
So they are just shooting themselves in the foot.
And I would rather just get an older lathe after all that, maybe a refurb project, that would be cool.
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its February 2019 whats the latest
There's an update in the comments, this company were pirates, they put damage all over lathe after I returned it, so they wouldn't have to refund me.
And the little girly boy who works there was threatening me, and mocking me that I was not getting my money back.
Avoid AMADEAL LIKE THE PLAGUE
chances of this guy going to london 0% .full of it stick to threats on the phone
You think so buddy, rally think I would let them rip me off of a grand and I wouldn't pay £86 to go down and trash his entire unit.
Trust me I have done it before for £300 so im sure if they never paid back my money they would have received the treatment.
I'm a family guy but if someone messes with my kids or rips me off, I have no issues with a 6 month prison sentence, because that's all I would have got at most.
Maybe you are a shitbag and will let people walk all over your beta male ass but I'm not.
Glad you showed us this, wont be buying this thing . They sound like a bunch of complete scumbags, its the way of the corporation these days . Glad you got some money back. It just not fair at all.
No problem, this company is by far the worst I have ever had to deal with in my life, not only lied about damage but created their own damage.
Openly mocked me on the phone that he was gonna do this, then by email pretending like he was trying to help me.
This was very close to becoming a physical situation, not worth the drama, these guys will lie and damage returns so they don't have to return full amount of money.
And they knew I had video of it running while being packed away for returning, yet they still rather tell lies that will backfire than refund me my money.
Plenty other companies selling these machines, it would be a good start by avoiding these people.
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@@oraclescave i dont think we have Amadeal in Australia but we have our own ripoff crooks . Cant blame you for wanting to knock these smartasses out , disgusting service from them. I have thought about buying a mini lathe but after seeing this i wont be . Glad you showed us this.
Thanks for this I have been looking at buying from this company as they seem to sell a lot of related items for lathes,tooling etc and being quite local I was sitting on the fence but since reading this I am back in the garden of thought. May check machine mart out but for me its not a must have tool but would like one to experiment with. Hope you get this matter resolved..
The fact that this company has a stockpile of control boards tells me they often have faults, and on top of that there is a whole bunch of issues these lathes produce.
I was lucky not to have some of the faults most other people experienced with belt failures and misalignment issues, never mind a host of electrical issues and faulty switches.
It's ok if you were to get one that worked second hand, but I think they are way to overpriced for the amount of issues they have out of the box new.
A real jewellers lathe would be a thousand times better and could get them cheaper with more tools and parts, plus you could beat on it all day with a sledge hammer and not leave a dent.
As where this chinese crappy toy started getting issues as soon as I turned it on and fully fell apart in 2 hours by itself.
After the things Luke from AMADEAL said on the phone... It's not a workhorse do I don't know why that's written on the ebay ad...
My point exactly.
Even they admit it, so they are false advertising on purpose
It seems to me after reading many other story's on mini lathes that the speed controller failure is very, very common. That may explain why machine mart’s mini lathe CL 300M although very similar it has a optional extra controller that covers more on that area although is still very similar and I guess when they run their next vat free weekend deal maybe worth considering.
To be honest a 7 x 14 is a bit of an overkill for my needs so have started looking at a secondhand jewelers lathe’s there are a few out there maybe old but will do the job just got to make sure the chuck can accommodate my needs. You will get this sorted out and a refund will be issued which you can put towards a better model.. Keep us all posted on this issue.
ATB
@@happylocksmith Yes Anthony, I have also been checking out the control board failures, turns out it's the biggest failure with the machine.
Absolutely I would go for an old and even rusty old machine for the same money as long as the bed showed to be straight with no dips.
That explains the huge stockpile of control boards they said they have, while advertising it as a workhorse with over 4000 happy customers, full of crap.
While it's very frustrating and some people will say.. I told you so..
Im a big believer in chinese stuff, I have bought hundreds of tools and stuff that has supposed to be crap but turned out amazing and fit for the job, so still willing to try more chinese stuff.
But serious mass production with zero quality control on the electronics side is the reason investing in one of these should be avoided.
Still not heard from AMADEAL about returning it, they are trying their best to avoid me because I won't accept another dodgy control board.
They know what they are doing, I would be interested to find out if other people have experienced the same thing from the same company.
I only went for this because size and weight, but a decent jewellers lathe will come at the expense of a little more space but a million times more quality.
I would recommend this lathe for plastic but I wasn't pushing the machine hard at all, so I think these faults will show no matter what your turning and for how long.
These failures are from poor to zero solder on joints, and very poor quality control.
But I'm losing over £600 for other tooling I had to buy just to use this machine, that's what is frustrating.
And being mocked and threatened for trying to return it, is absolutely disgusting behaviour and shows they are avoiding return of goods at all costs.
But since PayPal is the best thing since Batman, I will chill out and let them take care of it, that's what they are there for.
Knowing the faults these have, I would not buy another from any seller ever.
Yes I agree not all stuff made in China is rubbish but it seems there is no restrictions on copyright. A mini lathe is a good way to start and if you want to expand then you can. I am sure your extra tooling can be used on another lathe check out machine marts model seems to be a lot better, Jewelers lathes tend to be smaller but would suit my needs once I have checked the chuck size but so far looking quite promising. Good-luck and I am sure you will get the whole mess resolved.
Look up a company called arc eurotrade seen a better supplier and backup heard good reviews
i just received mine and got it with a nick in the bed and rear bolts of chuck clipping the rear plate.did send them a msg.have not swithed it on yet
I wouldn't pretend to be happy with that, my lathe arrived in nearly perfect condition visually.
Just have them replace it, if you turn it on and something was BENT from maybe shipping damage, something could break and come flying at you.
Just be careful, have it replaced immediately, no if's or but's
That's a lot of money on a tool and that's what customer service is for so use it.
A high speed spinning machine can be a ticking time bomb if it has faulty/ broken parts.
Any normal company will help you switch it out straight away with no drama.
And you can have some lathe fun without feeling paranoid your machine is going to break it fail.
If you do decide to use customer care and have it swapped out, keep us updated and let us know how easy and stressless using your customer service.
Which company did you purchase with ?
just started it up and it sounds like a tractor.....:((( motor mount fine gears fine but main bearing dont sound fine it gets worse if i put drag on the chuck.....im sending this cheap chinese crap back.
looks like someone used it
@@intermediatenoodler6408 yes very possible, someone may have used it and realised things were out of alignment and sent it back, and the company have tried to re-sell it to you.
Either way, that company must follow a legal obligation to make sure you get the brand new goods they advertised to you upon sale.
Anything less than that must be replaced or fully refunded.
That is your legal right as a customer buying a brand new item.
If you are not happy with your new item, don't just sit and put up with it.
These companies take excessive price cuts for just being middle men, but they are accountable for delivering you a quality item with no damage or mis-aligned parts.
And these require alot of maintenance to keep them cutting true.. especiall when your on the first few hours
This machine turned out to be a useless faulty piece of crap
I will buy a real lathe next year.
This machine is a glorified toy
And you didnt realize it was a hobby grade lathe when you paid 400$
@@FastSloW-qt8xf yes I did, but it was worse than a cheap drill press, I expected better quality to be honest
It looks like you used the lathe to makes things in other video. Not sure why you decided not to replace the control unit if they offered to do so. So you'd only got your money back but who has the lathe now? From what I have seen all these small lathes can have trouble of some kind. Did you ever get another lathe to use all the parts you bought as well?
I refused the control board part, because when he was talking about them, he said he had a big stockpile of the boards, so I checked online and the boards were very common bad parts.
So I decided to refuse, then he requested I send it back, which I did, and he put several bits of damage on machine and claimed I sent it back like that.
So he didn't have to refund me.
I never got another lathe, I got a 3d printer instead, that's what I was going to buy before the lathe.
I will purchase a myford lathe at a later date, these kind of lathes are too girly, got to go easy with everything, and it still tries to grind to a halt.
I still have all the tooling for it mostly unused, probably just swap it for something and forget all about it.
This company is very dodgy when it comes to returns, got very cocky on the phone once he had the lathe, then proceeded to be smarmy about damage appearing on it.
It came very close to a physical altercation taking place over this, very lucky PayPal stepped in when they did and refunded me.
Disgusting rip off liars and would 100% avoid like the plague
@@oraclescave I have kept looking at a little larger lathe, like 9 or10 inch swing and maybe 20 inch bed. Lots of reviews on them and all made in China. At least some have metal gears . Precision Mathews never seem to keep in stock but they have one already equipt with a quick change toolpost and power crossfeed. Budget around $2000 USD. I already have 3D printer and made many useful additions to my shop. Even made my Jet 12 inch swing wood lathe a 20 inch with added riser blocks and longer belt . Hope your next lathe is a better choice or at least better supplier!!!
@@gvet47 I will most likely buy a lathe that's old and needs refurbished, but I need to build an extension on my hut as the hut I have wouldn't support the weight of an old lathe.
XYNUDU, on youtube has a decent looking lathe, it might even be a precision Matthew's machine not sure.
And yes 3d printers are incredible tools.
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What happened about your lathe, did you get it sorted
I had the lathe returned and paypal returned all of my money that AMADEAL tried to steal.
AMASTEAL should be their company name, and should be avoided for all large heavy goods items as their dodgy returns scam will see you lose nearly all of your money and the item you purchased.
Dodgy middlemen that work out of a unit, better to order from china.
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@@oraclescave lol you do know thay are just importers just like warco and Chester and if got it straight from China do you think you would of got your money back
@@ag-workshop the problem with china, isn't about getting your money back, because they will refund you everytime, it's the 4 weeks or more to get your item there and then 4 weeks back.
That's the real reason behind people hating things from china.
Its paying for something and if it arrives faulty or missing from packet, it takes a few weeks to get sorted out thats all.
I happen to think I get a better service from china every single time.
Those guys strive to make a happy customer and do not hesitate to send you replacement part if you think you can replace it yourself.
Selfish people that have no patients like to tar chinese with a brush.
Yes if you buy something it would be awesome to get it next day every time.
But a lot of these guys have to get in touch with the manufacturer to get your replacement part anyway, and will blag you for a week or 2 until the part comes in from china airmail.
Start planning your big spends and expect to wait longer but I bet it gets to you no different than if it was shipped out from dodgy John's garage for twice the price.
In this country I have had several sellers (companies) that have ripped me off, lied about goods, ignored my messages, and even ignored paypal and Ebay once complaint has started.
Never have i had to deal with anything like that from china.
I have had hundreds of purchases over the years and the few times things have wrong, not only have they been sorted but they have went out of their way to make sure i was happy.
I have recieved extra things in packages, sometimes multiple of the item I ordered as a sorry.
Things like that.
So to be honest, if you can wait patiently for something and it's big money, do not fear ordering from china, these guys are awesome to deal with.
If it's important and you just can't wait, pay obscene amounts extra and get it within a week.
But if you add up all these extra costs on everything you order and match it to china price.
You would get double the amount or twice as better goods.
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@@oraclescave just so you know I have had 2 lathes so far, one from chester and one from warco both are rubbish and both cost nearly 3k, all of the machine that come from China are far from the precision machines they claim they are I ended up buying, an old Colchester lathe some 45 years old and out proforms both China lathes
Thanks for the heads up. Not even going to risk that kind of money on a company like that. Probably better off gambling that money on a horse than them. The thing that does appeal to me about buying the lathe is only I live up the road from them and I like the idea of going down there with a broken lathe and causing drama with sissy boy Luke
I'm still trying to find a lathe cheap, they were nice lathes, but at around a grand to be barely set up, is taking the piss considering I could get a myford lathe fully set up and overhauled for £600 or lower.
And I could stand on top of a myford and jump up and down all day long and it wouldn't break, but you just need to look at the mini lathe and it breaks.
My plan is to find a cheap used mini lathe, possibly broken, and get new stronger motor and control board to upgrade it to.
But Amadeal are not very trustworthy, yes they are super polite, yes they will send you any part you need straight away, but if you have to return your heavy machine, they will lie and claim you damaged it very badly so they don't have to refund you all of your money.
That's theft, and very untrustworthy customer service, so if you are going to buy one, only accept replacement parts, DO NOT RETURN IT TO THESE PIRATES.
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ORACLE'S CAVE it’s just hard finding a quality lathe for cheap now days. A nice small Colchester would do me well
For 1k you'd be better to buy a used,older, quality lathe maybe ?
Any updates from Amadeal ref replace or fix
Lathe will be collected today by TNT, as PayPal forced the return because they didn't reply on time to the paypal claim.
PayPal will fully refund me within 2 days of the courier getting a signature for delivery.
So that's a massive relief, I'm already in the middle of choosing a 3d printer to replace the lathe with, maybe a giant CR10S CREALITY MACHINE, or a smaller creality ender 3 pro.
That would be a great help in prototyping weaponry and gadgets, I've already ordered rolls of filament for a 3d printer, so I can't back out now lol
But the cr10s can do massive 3d prints and costs about £350 which is very cheap for a 3d printer that size.
@@oraclescave Hope they sign other end seems that could still be a problem good luck look up Arc eurotrading have some good lathes reasonable too.
@@boonster666 I'm actively watching the courier right now.
It's out for delivery as we speak.
PayPal will drag them into a dark alley and leave with my cash, even if their not willing to hand it over.
It's still frustrating waiting for the delivery update ha ha ha
Oh you should see my updated comment, they trying to not refund me, dodgy clowns saying the gears are totally stripped.
Even though they know I have it on video
It's about time you got a Facebook account and spread the word Darren
I'm 100% Anti-Facebook
Its pure poison, Facebook is worse than AMADEAL lol
But I get what you mean, Facebook would reach many more people.
Very shady business, all nice and helpfully until they have your cash, then they just play games and fob you off with excuses.
And still no contact on when they will collect it, a total joke of a company.
I just hope nobody else gets ripped off this bad.
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Información de Vendedor Profesional
Amadeal Ltd
Hugh Stewart-Smith
Unidad 20, The Sidings
Leytonstone
Londres
E11 1HD
Reino Unido
You realize these are like 400 dollars, and they all come from the same 2 factorys... ps you will never have no business running this over 1000 rpm
Activate Rage mode. 😈. I hope you get sorted. eBay are 100% Behind buyers so you don't really have to worry, good practice in cleaning it and packing up spares. Don't give em an excuse.
It's been over a week since I last spoke with AMADEAL, but PayPal are forcing their hand today.
Should have a full refund within the next 3 days, it's been an absolute piss take.
Im just going to buy a big 3d printer, cr10s, as I will be able to prototype loads of stuff, SQUARE stuff ha ha ha.
But I'm kind of expecting this shady company to try some other dodgy tactics, and if they have my money and the lathe and try getting smart, I will have no other option but to appear at the business address with rage mode activated.
I feel mega ripped off from these clowns.
I will leave getting a lathe until I build I bigger extension with concrete floor.
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There is a nice Warco Lathe on fleabay now at 500 has a gearbox as well
@@Man-in-da-shed sounds good but I'm waiting until I extend the PLAYBOY MAN CAVE lol
In the summer I will build a fortress that cannot be burned down, and use as welding and machining area, maybe put metal sheeting on the inside.
Then fill with machining tools !
Ha ha ha
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Thanks for the heads up, was considering this machine but I'm afraid amadeal won't be getting their grubby hands on my dosh.
Excellent, everytime someone says that, I just remember when he was mocking me on the phone.
And I told him his lies would backfire.
He said, Ermm... no they won't.
I think this proves it did, lol
Thanks for stopping by to rub salt in his wounds ha ha ha
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There are shitty sellers out there, but these lathes are an awesome way to learn because they are cheap and you will have to learn to make them accurate.. you just dealt with a unethical seller.. and that sucks... them model guns are cool btw.. move to america and you can make or buy the real ones, some with that 7x14 lathe you got there
I was tempted to buy one of these Lathes , but thanks ORACLE , i will defo be buying a different one !
Excellent choice, better to go with a company that doesn't try to commit fraud against you.
Do plenty of checking up on any company you intend on using, and dont worry about paying an extra £20- £30 if the company is trusted, I wish I had done that.
Thanks for stopping by Phillace
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Sounds like a shitty company and yeah there's some issues but it's on you for expecting a little thing like this would be a workhorse...
Glad it turned out for you - do your self a favour and get a nice 2nd hand myford - bought a 40 year old ML10 for £600 with very little use [came with a 3 phase motor and inverter]
That's exactly what I was going to buy from gumtree, but I thought getting up to date machine would be better.
And I was wrong by a long shot.
I nearly bought one for £650 and it had tools.
I paid over £1000 for the cheap Chinese one with tools.
Never again, my next lathe will definitely be a myford.
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dam bro there 5 bills new
That's why I was so pissed at them , the tooling cost same amount £1100 In total
@@oraclescave yea i hear ya thank god for pay pal they wount let us get pushed around bro did u look at grizzly or PM the mathews lathe they look real fkn sweet ! well good luc brother
@@raymondj8768 yeah I wanted a bigger precision Matthew's lathe but it would of been too heavy for my hut, I should of just went with the grizzly mini lathe, but I needed lathe and tools, so I went with the cheaper company and absolutely regret doing that.
I will get a decent machine at some point.
3D printer is what I got with the refund money and it's the best thing I have ever purchased.
I have already 3d printed guns lol
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@@oraclescave yea the grizzly look pretty good also they get good reveiws on y/t also i want one also have fun brother
Sorry to this matey, I hope you get it sorted.
ATB
Cliff
Thanks bud.
Oh I will get it sorted, they don't want my drama
I have full faith in PayPal
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nice collection of guns you have there...... very nice
Thanks, very enjoyable to make, you should give it a try sometime
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Sour grapes get what you pay for.
At least I get grapes
OLIVER
What did you expect for that money, lol, a Southend. In USA we have to pay 1000 dollars for a 50 year old good lathe. Are go to harbor freight and buy a cheap Chinese mini lathe for 500,,,lol,
It's the other way around.
I spent 1000 GBP for chinese lathe, but would of gotten a myford lathe for 650 GBP with loads with it.
But my space was limited and the fake website had loads of good fake reviews
I got suckered, and eventually got my money back, so lesson learned.
And now I know a good lathe from a bad lathe.
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@@oraclescave l bought a 12 x 36 atlas 2 months ago for 650 with 300 worth of tools for my use,,very little run out and way wear,,,, but I couldn't pass up the 2 I got for 400,,,the small 109 is in great shape but you can't do a lot with it,,,but the 6 x 24 101 atlas is nice as hell,,,best of the 3 really like new.. hope you have gotten a lathe worth buying,, the atlas are less then logan,Southend and myford,,, but they have lasted 50 years and still doing well.
@@georgespangler1517 I don't have a lathe at the moment, and I just dropped a £1000 on FPV DRONE equipment.
So it's gonna be a while before it's my spending time again, but I have built a separate shed for when I get a myford lathe, I might possibly keep an eye open for some southends.
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You sale than to me
I was looking at getting a mill from them, I'm only 20 miles from them as well
Looks like I'm going elsewhere
you put me wide it pile of st i will not buy one
Don't buy any Chinese lathe,,all cheap metals
So where else can you get a lathe from ?
I found 5 all within 60 miles of me,,, buy vintage lathes,, all cast iorn timkin bearings with all metal no plastic are stamped steel,, all well built in USA,,,don't let age and appearance fool you,,look for wear and abuse,, l have 1800 dollars invested in 5 nice lathes,,,2- 12 x36,,2- 618s and one 109,, l almost made the mistake of buying a Chinese lathe for 450 dollars but went vintage instead and so glad I did..
You're in reverse
No not at all
I'm just a bit BACKWARDS lol
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Hmm, its a toy £500 lathe mate - what did you expect? After manufacturer and retailer profits, VAT, global and domestic shipping costs and import duty the lathe was prob made at a cost of under £100. Get rid of it on ebay, save up your beer money and buy an old British made lathe that was made in the days when real men of steel made things from real steel with pride
I expect to get whats advertised
And I don't drink alcohol
i received a crappy response from Luke ,What he implies is the shipping company damaged the bed and that i stripped the head stock gears on start up. they also said you have no clue what you are doing hahahahahahaha.You were right they are a dodgy company ,and I would not recommend anyone dealing with them.Its really pathetic seriously
Yes, they done the same to me, and it was Ebay people that told me this had been a recurring problem with this seller.
That's why I told you to video and picture it before sending it back.
All they do is cross the gears and turn the machine on, and you get the blame.
Go straight to paypal, and let them know it arrived in that condition and they told you to send it back, you sent it back in the condition it arrived and they have damaged it.
They are already on record as shady sellers and paypal will see that when checking your story.
Try Warco, they can't be any worse than these muppets!!!
The worst people to deal with online are British. I don't buy from either commercial or private parties from England.
You clearly do
total junk
I disagree, this candle lathe is awesome lol 😆 😄 😂