Pathfinder Regional Deepdive: Druma and the Kalistocracy

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  • @Ofley_Adventures
    @Ofley_Adventures 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    Babe, wake up! Mythkeeper uploaded a new video.
    Have a delightful day everyone! Thanks for the vid.

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Haha! Thank you!

  • @RykerDavis123
    @RykerDavis123 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +70

    I have a suggestion if you ever want shorter video ideas. What about profiles on the various "iconic" characters. Like valeros and the others

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      This is a great suggestion. Similarly folks have asked me to do profile videos on some of the major figures (like Tar-Baphon or Mengkare) which is another video type I've been thinking about.

    • @RykerDavis123
      @RykerDavis123 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@TheMythKeeper if you choose to do so consider us hyped

    • @hurricanejeff9648
      @hurricanejeff9648 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I might play pathfinder because of you bro ngl

    • @dmeep
      @dmeep 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@TheMythKeeper the starter kit comes with 4 premade iconics in it. are the other iconics anywhere to be found if i have 5 players or want to offer them a different class without having to learn to make chars ?

    • @infinitejourneyman
      @infinitejourneyman 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You can skip Amari because our GM killed her in our Kingmaker campaign. 😢😮

  • @flibbernodgets7018
    @flibbernodgets7018 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    6:40 this is so funny to me. It's perhaps the worst thing for a dwarf to be banned from but the humans are like "fine, we don't need em".

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Its some pretty solid dwarf punishment being dealt out over here

  • @thierrybarroca7364
    @thierrybarroca7364 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I didn't expect that topic... and yet I'm so excited to discover that new region. Your regionnal deep dives are THE BEST !

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Thank you! As I said elsewhere, every so often I do a topic that I (having spent 10 years in this universe) learn a whole bunch by doing the research. This is definitely one of them.

    • @thierrybarroca7364
      @thierrybarroca7364 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I love how Paizo is consistent in its unique and very thorough world building of Pathfinder, with sometimes very unique and other times very familiar features in political, religious, historical or sociological terms.
      I discovered PF with the Owlcat games, but your videos made me love it even more and very eager to try the TT version one day !

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@thierrybarroca7364 TH-cam is so weird sometimes. It flagged your comment yesterday as "contentious" for some reason. I approved it, but now it seems like half of your comment is truncated out. Sorry about that, but thanks for the attempted engagement all the same 😅 And yes, I couldn't agree more, really awesome depth here.

  • @mothsvidz
    @mothsvidz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Druma does seem like a very interesting concept for a nation. A government run by a spiritual religion about getting rich, it's like a very twisted Buddhism with their tenets about austerity. And for the common citizen, it also feels pretty similar to modern types of "wealth worship" where there's all those videos and books trying to sell people the idea that they'll get magnificently rich as long as they wake up at 4am, do breathing exercises and not take any luxuries for themselves, when the reality is most wealthy people were either born wealthy and got wealthier, or they got lucky in one way or another, and any penny pinching they supposedly do is an illusion to keep up their own personal mythology. It feels like a great place to make some real scummy, but maybe uncomfortably real, villains because the Kalistocrats really do elicit the same disgust for me in all the ways real ultrarich or wannabe ultrarich people do except it's an actual codified cult instead of just a figurative one.
    All that said, good video, keep on keeping on.

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I agree. Kalistocrats make for some great villains. Also, (and I think I said this in a comment somewhere) making this video has really motivated me to play a Kalistocrat as a PC next time I'm a player in someone else's game. There's so much cognitive dissonance in this religion, it feels like it would be fun to play around with.

    • @mothsvidz
      @mothsvidz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@TheMythKeeper Yeah it's funny that they have a rivalry with an equally scummy religion with the Razmirans because I think a Razmiran PC could also be interesting, plus you get a funny mask by default.

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mothsvidz I say anyone can wear a funny mask, but not anyone gets embalmed with their own melted gold when they die. 😂

    • @tnttiger3079
      @tnttiger3079 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There's also intensely strong Calvanist vibes in there!

    • @almitrahopkins1873
      @almitrahopkins1873 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@TheMythKeeper The Kalistocracy is Mormonism. I live about 20’ outside of the second-largest Mormon population city in the US. I can see the parallels between the Kalistocracy and Mormonism because of my proximity to a huge Mormon population.
      The writers aren’t even trying to hide it. It’s a blatant parallel.

  • @adiuntesserande6893
    @adiuntesserande6893 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    A metal monogate Kineticist Kalistocrat would be a really fun concept.

    • @ChronoHarvester
      @ChronoHarvester 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I've been thinking that too! It'll have to compete with a metal monogate focused around Silver, focused around fighting lycanthropes and miscellaneous creatures weak to silver. Perhaps trying to upgrade their silver to mithral, or whatever the remaster changed it to.

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yeah, I've been thinking of all the fun Kalistocrat builds as I made this video as well. Oracle of Metal (skinned as Gold) would also be a fun choice.

  • @torry3861
    @torry3861 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Ah hell yes! I use druma as the main inspiration for our podcast game . I was looking forward to this one for a while

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Druma was a bit like Nidal for me. Its not an area I have used extensively in my own games, so doing the research for this video really surprised me. As per usual Paizo has a really fascinating level of depth to each corner of the world. Definitely a learning experience for me reading up on Druma. I really want to play an Oracle of Metal (theming the metal as gold of course) who is tentatively exploring the path of the Kalistocrat some day.

    • @torry3861
      @torry3861 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@TheMythKeeper i agree, i was not aware of some of the afterlife ideas the drumans held. It was awesome

  • @BrunofanofK
    @BrunofanofK 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I really liked how Druma feels like the protestant sect of the Kellid people. A nice break from the Conan theme.

  • @chrizzlybear5565
    @chrizzlybear5565 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    31:21 So the plan boils down to "Eat the rich"? Probably the most based daemon in all of Abaddon.

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Haha. That's right, in a very literal way.

  • @Christopher_Pug
    @Christopher_Pug 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Oh hell yeah, it’s a big one! Gonna nibble off a bit before bed.

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah its a fun one!

  • @infinitejourneyman
    @infinitejourneyman 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    As a cute joke, whenever I play a game in Druma, I like to say, "Someday, I'd like to meet the Druma Queen." Comedy-Drama.

  • @RicardoPM777
    @RicardoPM777 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Another amazing regional video!

  • @andreasmuller4172
    @andreasmuller4172 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    All I could think of during the course of the entire video was "I love gooooooold".

  • @JacobBradley-ks4gf
    @JacobBradley-ks4gf 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Love the videos, they really help with my pathfinder game sessions. Did you make the world map that you use in you videos?

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No its the Rob McCaleb world map

  • @archaeopteryxish
    @archaeopteryxish 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    MYTHKEEPER! KEEPER OF MYTHS! I love your videos so much, thank you for your work, it's incredible. Question: where would I find Kyonin in these deep dives? I'm not as familiar with the various groupings of nations and am desperate to learn about the Elvish home. Thanks again!

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have some bad news for you, Kyonin (and the Five Kings Mountains) are among the few regions I have yet to make a video about. I backloaded these regions because early on I did an elf and dwarf ancestry guide video that vaguely talked around these territories. Have no fear, I will eventually do a Kyonin video. I also believe Venture Captains has a Kyonin video on TH-cam available already, which you might want to check out. Also check out my general Elf ancestry video if you haven't already.

  • @JamesAdams-nd1td
    @JamesAdams-nd1td 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love the Prophets of Kalistrade. They have all these complex rules of behavior, but every single one comes with the same asterisk:
    Break this rule, if it makes you more money.

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Haha! This is true!

  • @russvickery71
    @russvickery71 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Excellent work, as always.

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you! Cheers!

  • @edwardchytil8868
    @edwardchytil8868 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love these so much very good video!

  • @SeibsMkall
    @SeibsMkall 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I always enjoy listening to your new videos. Of course they give me too many new ideas and I don't have time to spin up new games to explore them all!
    A suggestion if you're running low on ideas (as if, lol); Perhaps a rundown of the basic plot elements of the larger APs and their impact on the current Golarion setting? I know you mention the results in various videos, but something a bit more thorough would be appreciated to someone like myself who doesn't have the time to read them all myself.

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      This is totally something I plan to do… eventually 😅

  • @jjhh320
    @jjhh320 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    All of you videos make me wish there was a crusader kings mod for this world...would call it Golarion Kings or something.

  • @sneg__
    @sneg__ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Currently waiting for 2e remastered to be fully released in German so I can DM for my group, thanks for these great videos! I'm sure they'll make the campaigns I'll be running a lot more enjoyable and lore-rich.

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I can't wait for you to get the new books. You're going to have a lot of fun. Glad these videos have been helpful!

    • @sneg__
      @sneg__ 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TheMythKeeper You're the absolute best! If you ever decide to do a Patreon, I'd be happy to throw you a few bucks for all this amazing work you do for all of us.

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@sneg__ I don't have a Patreon but I do have a MythWatcher Club membership right here on TH-cam. If you sign up you get videos 4 weeks earlier than everyone else!

    • @sneg__
      @sneg__ 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TheMythKeeper Oh, I didn't catch that! Perfect :)

  • @frederickgleicher1385
    @frederickgleicher1385 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Another excellent video. Something I didn't get a sense though, is how the Kalistocracy view Tar Baphon ? Is there a great worry that the Whispering Tyrant will invade and destroy Druma like the Gravelands ?

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There is a great worry in the entire Isle of Dread region that the Whispering Tyrant will invade and destroy any one of those nations - Belkzen, Ustalav, Nirmathas, and even Molthune, Druma and Razmiran. However Tar Baphon is still injured from his last encounter with a group of heroes and is being careful about how far he stretches his strength this time. It looks like Druma and the other nations here have a little time to prepare for his next move.

  • @namelesssomebody2557
    @namelesssomebody2557 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Money Talks: The Nation
    Makes sense since being colonised by Dwarves (who are rich) and Taldor (who are rich) consecutively will warp perception.

  • @derskalde4973
    @derskalde4973 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Unrelated question: is there a crime-y AP out there?
    My group joked around, that they want to play as the "Kobold Mafia" in Kingmaker, but now got serious about that.
    Now, from what we talked about so far, their idea of how to play their Kobold Mafia, this idea doesn't seem to lend so well for Kingmaker in particular. So I thought, maybe there's an AP out there, that fits the theme better, to present to my group as an alternative for their Kobold Mafia run, so they can make a party, that fits the Kingmaker AP more.
    Is there an AP, that you can play as a chaotic group of kobolds, that build/lead a crime syndicate, without that Playstyle interfering with the Story?

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I feel like there's probably a way to do this with Extinction Curse. In that adventure, you are performers in a traveling circus. You could spin it such that its a kobold circus, and you could also make it a front for a criminal group. I don't know, there's probably a bit more massaging needed, but it could work.

  • @flameborn5347
    @flameborn5347 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What are the maps you use for these videos and where can I find the them

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They don't exist anywhere, I make them for each video

  • @lj_aderyn
    @lj_aderyn 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sorry if this is a question that's been asked before, but are there any plans in the work to do a regional deepdive on Tian Xia?
    I'm hoping to GM a Season of Ghosts campaign in the near future and I'd love to expand my knowledge about the nations of Tian Xia, most notably Shenmen where the book takes place.

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm waiting for the upcoming Tian-Xia world guide to come out before I started producing that content.

    • @lj_aderyn
      @lj_aderyn 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TheMythKeeper Well I'm sure it'll be worth the wait, love your lore videos.

  • @goldenbrigain7031
    @goldenbrigain7031 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I really like Druma. I'd love to try and create a character who goes on a quest to try and forge a new Marcidi blade.

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This is a great character concept. Honestly you could be a Drumish Kellid living in any of the surrounding countries as well. This character would work in a Nirmathi campaign (like Ironfang Invasions) or a Mindspin Mountains game like Giantslayer. Or even in the recent 2E Highhelm AP as well.

  • @RicardoPM777
    @RicardoPM777 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    👏👏👏👏

  • @RykerDavis123
    @RykerDavis123 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Time to listen to this as I spread democracy across the stars

  • @chazzwozzio
    @chazzwozzio 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Remember, if you dont have a cooky caramel center circle, you are not a true cult

  • @trajanfidelis1532
    @trajanfidelis1532 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Would Druma be considered a theocracy since they're a cult centered around a holy figure? Or do you have to have divine power backing you to be considered such? Thanks for the video!

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Druma is a theocracy, because the Kalistocracy is a religion and their head of religion is also the head of state.

  • @loganmcgee18
    @loganmcgee18 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Regional Deepdive...? Baby, dim the lights down, Mythkeeper's on

  • @israelmorales4249
    @israelmorales4249 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This sounds like a mix between the rituas of thedragons and a devotion for Abadar/Irori
    (In the Drconomicon from 3.5 ed of D&D, the dragons use they hoard to extend his lifetime, and to "pay" for better afterlife, i thing to bahamut or tiamat).
    Another question, ¿How does affect the "lost prophecy" to the 'prophets' of the Kalistocracy?
    Any way...great video as allways! Thanks

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Well based on the fact that they seemingly predicted the coming of Tar-Baphon it looks like the most powerful prophets have figured out a way to predict things anyway. I think in terms of the power of their divination magic, this resides in the hands of your GM.

  • @shelbydyer612
    @shelbydyer612 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    When can we get one on Qadira and the Kelesh Empire?

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Funny you should ask as I'm working on that one right now actually. Here's what's coming up. Central Mwangi - Andoran - Katapesh - Darklands - Qadira and Kelesh. So 5 deep dives away, 15 weeks, like a couple months? Also unnecessary plug, you can get it slightly sooner (4 weeks!) by joining MythWatchers Club right here on TH-cam.

  • @pwillet
    @pwillet 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    are there any published adventures or such set in Druma?

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Only Pathfinder Society adventures I believe. No full 6-book APs have been set in Druma yet to date.

  • @olorinmagus4479
    @olorinmagus4479 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Honestly, the Kalistocrats don’t strike me as that bad? Like they’re an organization made up of mortals, so there’re gonna be problems obviously. But a religion focused around building your connections with other people, avoiding conflict wherever possible, and that is generally accepting of other systems of belief sounds pretty chill. The bougie afterlife is a bit sketch given that it’s restricted to only the elite of the faith, but given the process required to implement it, I can’t really see that as anything but inevitable. And it’s not like that takes away the meaning of the faith for the less successful believers

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hey I like this read on this Kalistocracy. They do get kind of a bad rap, but tbh, they were way better for the Drumish people than the dwarves were. (Its still a theocracy and effectively a dictatorship though, so let's say - there's some room for societal improvement here...)

    • @olorinmagus4479
      @olorinmagus4479 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TheMythKeeper oh absolutely, but as theocracies go it’s about as liberal as it’s possible for one to be. Particularly if you head just a little to the north east to Razmiran for a comparison

    • @olorinmagus4479
      @olorinmagus4479 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It’s no Andoran, but if I had to live in the world of Golarion (not my first choice of fantasy worlds to live in, let me tell you) Druma’d be fairly high up on the list of places to settle

    • @namelesssomebody2557
      @namelesssomebody2557 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      > One faction remained distinct from the new religious mainstream, however; this sect, known as the Golden Solidarity, relocated to Kestrillon and adopted a life of giving and generosity. This was perceived as wasteful and inadvisable by other followers of Kalistrade, and the island's fall to Tar-Baphon, which led to the massacre of the Golden Disciples alongside its other inhabitants, was perceived by the newly christened Kalistocrats as a cautionary tale. <
      And now before Tar-Baphon's return the High Prophet had his troops ready and waiting to profit. If you have no suspicions, I have a bridge to sell you.

    • @olorinmagus4479
      @olorinmagus4479 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@namelesssomebody2557 sure, but what did the High Prophet *do* with that information? He used it to position his troops to be of assistance to the survivors of Tar-Baphon’s initial resurgence. Could he have forewarned Lastwall beforehand? Maybe, but then requires he have *specifics* of what’s going to happen. If you just tell the world vaguely, “Oh something bad is about to happen” you’re not gonna do much other than burn credibility. Did Druma profit from this? Absolutely, but simultaneously it cannot be denied that they were helping, committing their most elite troops to a fight with what is most likely the most powerful lich on Golarion. Likely losing many in the process

  • @wintersking4290
    @wintersking4290 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Haven't finished the video yet so maybe it's answered later, but if they all get mummified and have private afterlives, then where are the tombs of those dead sleepers? You'd think they'd have to be very heavily guarded and secret I'd imagine considering how many demon lords would love to get their hands on something like that.

    • @MrTotalAhole
      @MrTotalAhole 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      "Hmm, I may have to make a trip to Druma."

    • @TheMythKeeper
      @TheMythKeeper  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I am pretty sure finding these tombs and figuring out how to rob them is exactly what Vayde Patronax and daemonic patron Braismois are up to.