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Is the Acura RSX Suspension THAT BAD?! | Alignment & First Drive
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 มี.ค. 2023
- In today's video, we find out whether or not the Acura RSX Suspension is as bad as they say it is! Freshly lowered on Coilovers and New Wheels, The DC5 RSX is ready for a 4 Wheel Alignment and first drive to see if it got better...or worse. Let's jump into it!
Lowering a Honda on Coilovers is typically a walk in the park, but I was warned that the RSX and 7th gen Civic's are different animals. This is mainly due to the geometry of the steering rack and how the angle changes once the car gets lowered. Going into this job, I was fully expecting having to invert or extend the tie rods, install the extended ball joints, add a steering rack slider/riser, and possibly new tie rods just to fix the mess of lowering it. Turns out, I may have overthought all of this...
After installing the coilovers, my suspension was sitting pretty janky. So the first stop after the project was to visit Cody at Larry Miller Honda in Boise to work his magic! Cody is a wizard with suspension and aligns most of the race cars here in town. So I figured out of anyone, he could make this hated suspension design a bit better. With another new OEM tie-rod end installed, he got to work! The rear camber was set to -1.4 with Zero Toe. The front took a little more persuading but ended up with -1.7 camber and Zero Toe. Everything still within spec for the OEM tie-rod end.
So how does the car honestly feel? Pretty damn good. The steering feels nice and tight, reduced body roll, and feels more confidence inspiring in the turns. I do feel the bumps and road noise increased, but nothing out of the usual for a stiffer suspension. Could it be improved? Absolutely, but as it sits, it's perfect for daily driving and the occasional Canyon Run. Down the road, we'll revisit this setup if things need improved. This platforms suspension has a lot of variables, so start with the basics first and go from there. You may be as surprised as I was.
Hopefully this video made the RSX suspension a little less intimidating! Here's some links to the setup so far!
Check out the TruHart Website: truhart.com/
RSX and EP3 Truhart Street Plus Coilovers: amzn.to/3ZJ1Ibu
TruHart Rear Camber Kit for RSX and EP3: amzn.to/3YmsQfc
Konig Neoforms 17X8: konigwheels.com/
Nitto NT555G2 - 225/45/17: www.nittotire.com
- ALLDAYANTHONY
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I autocross/circuit race my RSX, you don't need a new slider to get rid of bump steer. The RSX is a very simple suspension setup and what you did was right if you're daily driving. No need for extra suspension upgrades that can cause the car to handle worse. The geometry will only change drastically when you drop it 3in or more. But I'll give you a nice trick for that bump steer, SHG motorsports sells a steering rack bushing far more superior to the OEM and will last longer which will eliminate a lot of uneven road bump steer :) I enjoyed the video keep it up and don't let these people freak you out man!
I ducked my head a little to give Anthony a little more head room.
saaame lol
Lol! ❤️
💀💀💀💀💀
Love the series on this RSX, don’t stop🙌🏼
I find your videos of your OEM plus build to be satisfying.
Thanks man. Appreciate you watching
Love all the footage and work you've done, it makes me miss my 00Type S. I got it with 14 miles on the odometer. I was 18 years old and talked about the happiest guy on the road! Keep up the awesome work!!
Lucky man
Awesome! Im glad it worked out well for you man. I didnt do any of the supporting mods, just general maintenance as needed on my suspension and im sitting with highly similar results.
I agree, with properly functioning oem suspension, coilovers, and an alignment, the car feels amazing on backroads, I cant complain. Granted I dont track my Type S.
EDIT: just got to the end of the video, ive been running the mentioned set up for a year, and its held up nicely to reassure you 👍.
Your alignment can be in check but roll center adjusters and fixing the steering rack alignment will make things way better.
I guess it’s something that I would need to feel in person to appreciate!
I just installed, Silvers Neomax coilovers and I couldn’t get the toe right with stock tie rods. I bought the PCI Adjusrable tie Bump steer kit and it’s freakin awesome. I haven’t even gotten the car aligned and I can hit a bump in a large sweeping turn at 80mph and the car doesn’t jump out of the turn like it used to. The PCI kit is 100% legit upgrade. I’m going for a track car build though.
I’m surprised you didn’t call out the eg hatch in the beginning! I’ve been there before where you want all the new things for the car to ride just right. Then, you replace so many things at once and the car handles differently to the point where you don’t know which item made the change. Either way, it’s cool seeing the progress. Looking forward to seeing what’s next.
I think I was too focused on driving haha
I’m going through a full suspension and brake replacement right now. It was already on lowering spring with stock suspension but no camber kit in the back end so the stance has always bugged me. That will be fixed though and even with all that, I’ve never been to bothered with how it rides or handles.
The car looks great BTW, wish I could afford all the upgrades and mods you’ve put into yours, unfortunately with a wife, three kids and a house, the RSX is at the bottom of the priority list lol.
I think your stance on all your builds is perfect!
Love the Acura RSX content.! Great work 👍
Thanks man. This has been a fun project thus far!
I love all your content. Glad you have an RSX now and I’m glad I watched this video. I recently got an EP3 Si and had the same suspension worries. Keep it up!
Yeah, I saw some of the comments that people left you on your last video saying you need all these and from like from my perspective and my dad’s perspective who worked on tons of Hondas, like it is nice to have it but you don’t necessarily like need it need it. But what you do need and you have is someone or at least the knowledge of know how to work and fix your alignment and have the tools for aligning, which is definitely important.
Rsx alignments are always so tricky but once you get it dialed it sticks to the ground and can be funner than a older civ/int 🤙🏽
Really?
I still think the double wishbone is a better setup, but this alignment did make a world of difference!
@@ALLDAYANTHONY I think so too. But the reason why the engineers decided to opt for McPherson struts on this platform was to eliminate torque steer as much as possible. Also, this car was worked from the ground up. Even according to sources, the K20A is lighter than the B18
05 type S owner here, own the car since new and gradually turning it from a daily into a track car. My experience from doing all kind of mod on the car’s suspension including changing out whole car’s bushing twice first to poly then later to pillow ball, coilover from oem to ohlins DFV to revalving the ohlins to higher spring rate setup, JDM alloy front LCA for wider track then revert back to steel oem, caster bushing and caster top hat to gain 7° of caster and running 3.5° camber, Delrin slider and Mugen harden bushing for the steering rack, roll center adjuster but not the rack raiser as I figure out I don’t need it in my set up, your bump steer is a result of dynamic toe change as your suspension travel and it has a lot to do with the connection point between the rack and your coilover, it need to be in an angle very close to stock form but never flat, different after market coilover design “ears” differently and depending how lower and how other things are setup the raiser help you restore this angle back to stock form similar ideal to the RCA ball joint in helping point your LCA downward. For a fast road setup like a lots others already comment good coilover and correct alignment will do just fine, for track value of money mods like add a plate LSD on top of fast road setup with good pads and tires, other mods are not required as they don’t improve lap time a lot, you probably gain more lap time from a fix bucket seat and 4+point seatbelt. This platform under steer more than the previous DC2 EK and in stock form the tail can be snappy at the limit of grip as the car dive in heavy braking. Also the suspension design has its limitations and not the easiest to work with hence why a lot of K swaps
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Unless your steering rack slider is really worn, you don't "need" the slider but it makes the steering much sharper. You will get more turn with less input. As for inverted tie rods, extended tie rods, etc... that is all based on how low you go as the position of the steering arm on your coilover moves further out of the stock position. Since you lowered it very little I bet the car feels close to stock just firmer with less roll. There is room for improvement as a stock RSX isnt super amazing but it's still real nice. For your use a rear sway bar might be awesome to reduce body roll and really make the car come around a corner more aggressively.
Very well said, was gonna comment pretty much the same thing. The steering rack slider is a wear item and you're suppose to replace as it wears down in thickness. His car has 190k miles so I definitely will bet his slider has a good amount of wear down on it. SHG slider is what he should get next imo. after changing mine at 150k , it was very noticeable difference. made the steering feel a lot tighter and reduced the bumpsteer feel a good amount. Definitely a top mod on my list. As far everything else regarding to extended tie rod ends ,roll center adjuster / extended ball joint, that's if you're slamming your car down more than 2 inches, thats when you star throwing off the angle of the tie rod to the steering rack
I think you nailed it in the video, you are over thinking it. Its easy to go down the rabbit hole of parts to improve the suspension. The honest truth is for what you are doing with the car you dont need all of the other parts. Could you add parts to make it better? For sure! Do you need it? Not really. Unless you are going for a max performance handling vehicle that you are going to take to the limits *on the track* doing all the upgrades is not needed. I think you've done the appropriate steps to have fun with it and enjoy it as a daily. You can always do the upgrades later on if you feel like it as well.. Theres no pressure to do every possible upgrade at once. Plus it's always fun to do a single upgrade at a time to actually feel the difference it made.
Thanks man! Yeah, sometimes it’s best to space things out to see what’s really needed
I love how your channel is like 90% Honda now haha. They get addicting!
I really, really like how you paced smoothly the camera to record without body movements, moving to the sides and down and up. How you do that??? Great job! So basically, as soon as I install coilovers I need an alignment asap! 😮
It’s the camera gimbal that makes that happen!
Love the vids! Recently got a Type-S, really fun to drive.
It really is!
Awesome video. The Rsx is coming together! 👍🏼🙌🏼💯
As far as roll center adjustment kits go, I looked for some specification from the kit manufacturers as to when the addition of these kits was recommended or not and didn't find any - until I heard of Honed. They've done track testing and evaluation and recommend RCA once the car's ride height is lowered to between 320 mm to 295 mm front and rear (from wheel center to wheelwell arch). I confirmed with them that they found that there's no benefit to RCA if not lowered to 320 mm. This is for 87 to 91 Civics and Integras, but I think it's a worthy guideline to take into consideration.
Hi Anthony as a dc5 owner myself I highly recommend the SHG steering rack slider!
But not the rack raiser, in my case it made my bump and torque steer worse
It’s still on my list, so it may happen down the road!
Owner of an '06 Base awaiting a complete suspension revamp with a set of Bilsteins. Clean DC5 you have here; Like how the build is turning out. If you're looking into eliminating more body roll, you could look at an OEM Type R rear sway bar. I've heard that these made a noticeable difference over the standard rear sway bar.
Same, but I used the front TYPE R sway bar for the front and progress rear. It helps give it more oversteer since I race my RSX. I have my fronts on BC DS series on 12k front swift springs and 14k rear swift's. Spc control arm bushings, TYPE R control arms, k-tune tie-rods, SHG motorsports steering rack bushing, skunk2 rear control arms and polyurethane bushings everywhere else, with J's racing front and rear strut bar w/ damper for the front. I'm looking into upgrading the coils to the BC HM series for 2 way adjustability for preload and damping. :) Rides and steers like a champ
My apologies PCI front control arm bushings
@@jattack9972, sounds like a mean set-up you have. I thought about getting coilers, but wanted to go the unique route with the the Bilstein Sport Damper and Type R Spring combo. Got those with the Type R sway bar, Type R rear strut bar and Type R B-pillar floor bar. Looking forward to see how this set up changes the car's dynamics, despite it being my daily 👍
@@kervlochard1460 that's a unique build, lmk how the Bilstein shocks feel 💪🏽
Do you have a link for the bilsteins
Trust me, definitely do the steering rack slider and riser. I also highly recommend the Whiteline 24mm sway bars front and rear. I did all this and a racing bucket and it's an animal now, it'd smash any golden era Honda
Hey Anthony I’m glad your suspension came out great since I’m hopefully getting an rsx soon thanks to this series I already talked to someone about selling me his type s and he seems down 😁
I hope you get it!
As a 05 RSX Type S Owner and a 02 Integra Type R, don't waste your money on a steering rack riser. It will create more bump steer, SHGMotorworks discussed why this inparticular mod is terrible. If you do decide to do a rack slider, purchases the derlin slider from SHG. You don't want a metal slider since it'll be incontact with metal and eventually wear out your rack.
Procar Innovations also made a great slider
@Marvin Vargas do you have one? I like PCI's bump steer adjuster kit.
Install a rear sway bar, you will notice significantly less body roll.
im just as excited for that alignment as you are!!
Shg slider, hardrace adjustable inner tierods, hardrace rear camber kit, coilovers, and spherical front lcas works wonders.
The paint looks amazing!
It’s in decent shape! Thank you!
I think it all comes down to driver feel. As long as you have a good alignment.
Yo I love your vides so much good job!!!
Thanks man! Appreciate you commenting!
As a street car, they are great. But as a track purpose build they have issues that can be easily solved in regards to the alignment. People overreact and it’s really and amazing honda platform. I’m still beating golden era Hondas and keeping up with high class vehicles in my 2006 Type S 👍
For the street it feels just right
I have a 2002 Civic Si and looking into replacing my tie rod ends and upgrading the sway bars to Progress. I did upgrade to Wilwood 4 piston calipers and runs super.
😧 That’s what I want to do, install Wilwoods on my RSX too!
Do it! Wildwoods are dope too
@@ALLDAYANTHONY I’m looking forward to it, I am a little shy from all of it because I am trying to challenge myself to do it on my own including the brake fluid change and stainless steel break lines. Plz cheer me on, Anthony
Lol my alignment has been like this for ages, driving like a true Honda driver
Have you had water leak issues in the trunk? I've had to seal under the roof trims and down the joints around the tailgate as well as behind the rear bumper! Please do a video on any leaks you might have, love your channel!!
7 hours ago
I have some moisture in my driver side taillight, but that’s all I can note!
It’s usually the taillight gaskets
I wiped a brand new set of tires driving to the alignment shop on my ranger when I did a complete tubular control arm front set.
Are you happy with your Coil over purchase? I am doing an OEM plus like you and my car will be my daily. Great video and I appreciate your feedback.
i put fortune auto coilovers and ktuned lower control arm and tie rod and never had to do all those extra stuff before and my steering is fine and i have my car for over 15 years 2003 rsx type s
Honeslty when I made the decision to get coils I just pulled the trigger but when it came to put them on I did research to do this one Time the correct way I also thought it was going to be a nightmare with all the info I got from the sites and forums even Reddit the past few days I was told to purchase adjustable ball joints extended tie rods and camber kit and I did we will see if mine goes as smoothly when it all comes in thanks
Honestly, I feel exactly the same way. Is not about power, is the focus. What are your goals with the car so that we can eliminate unnecessary changes. Is the art of being a car person, we sometimes go by error and trial to see what works. Just remember, the spirit of my DC5 is with you too. Lol 😂
Hey can you please tell me as soon as you can how low the car was v
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Spoon Rigid Collar, RSB, and LSD will sure improve what you already have for the streets. But that exhaust sure stick out like a sore thumb...Refinish or JDM Type R perhaps?
Came out good great work
are you considering doing EPS later on? I got a RSX (same color as yours) like a few weeks before you started the rsx series.
4 months later... what do you think?
I was looking at 04 today thinking about buying it for $4k. It needs suspension, a $150 sensor, and no AC. Lol. Projects. 😁
I think you only need the extended/inverted tie rods once you go very low
I think that’s where a lot of the misconception is. Most people who own these cars typically dump them and wonder why they feel so horrible. So then that information gets spread and the car gets a bad wrap. It’s not always the cars fault…
Hopefully I see this beauty on the road when I go back to visit boise
Enkei wheels is the best way to go with those dc5 bro looks alot better
That is very vague lol. RPF1’s? Everyone has them….
@@ALLDAYANTHONY yes sir rpf1s classic but I respect everyone's build good luck on yours have fun I miss mine a 2005 dc5 silver one type s
The ones he chose look great!
With my added widebody kit and supercharger i started to run into the bump steer and roll center problems. If you keep the car close to stock and the bushings aren't worn out you're fine.
Hey curiosity what is your tire and rim size? Look really good!!
I had 02 type s for a while. I had coilovers, inverted tie rod, roll center ball joints, swaybars, strut bars, mid bar, c pillar bar just to stiffen the chasis and to improve handling. all those and it didnt even come close to stock 10th gen si IMO.
10th gens handle great!
Have you issues with the spring lock rings coming loose?? I’m using the same coils an can’t even get 5 miles without them coming loose
are you done making grom videos?
I’m not done, just on a long hiatus
Would love a response if not all good love your videos my question is what is your current ride height getting some new coilovers for my rsx and love how yours is
HITTER AFTER HITTER BABYYYY!!!!!
Thanks man!! Trying my best!
My 06 rsx with new oem tie rod, polyurethane bushing for the lower control arm and new lower ball joint and all new oem motor mount/transmission mount with my diy home alignment. Bc coilover, tru hart rear camber kit. Mine drives pretty good for how’s its set up.
Motor mounts are on my list. Control arm bushings down the road!
@@ALLDAYANTHONY Recommend the Vibratecnics.
I need a shop that can properly geo the suspension... CO based and haven't found one yet. Have the delrin slider, Tein Basics, new Ktuned front LCAs, new rear LCAs, 23mm rear bar... missing the trailing arm for the full suspension restoration and doing the brakes like you did.
Try to get some local recommendations from other car people. I’m sure there’s someone around there
I wonder if Cody knows any good honda master techs in the midwest!
What’s your tints
How has it been running after the valve adjustment?
Running awesome! Car feels very healthy and is much quieter
@@ALLDAYANTHONY you should do a catch can mod
If you do want some k tuned inner tie rods lmk I have some brand new ones that I never got to put on my tax before it was totaled
Morimoto projector retrofits would be sick
Car looks super clean for a daily driver make the car look cool with more body mods that best thing you can do anyway
We’ll see what happens!
How would you say the car feels now over bumps? Is it still pretty comfortable
Still comfortable. Bumps are more audible, small cracks in the road are more noticeable. That’s the biggest trade off
I live in Caldwell. Maybe you can help me with my 93 accord 10th anniversary edition.
How much does a job like that cost?
The car handles worse than the old civic in extreme cornering. Motoiq has a good 03 Civic suspension set up. I happen to like my em2 suspension aside
Compliments just small stuff like that could makes your day
is that a 04 rsx i have one too, nvm i just saw ur dash u have 05-06 rsx
what head cam do you use to record your videos?
I use a GoPro hero 8
Do u still have civic
Bumpsteer is pretty bad on most Mac strut cars. Drive a miata or an rx8 or 350 and you'll see what I mean. The Evo and subarus are all the same. It's part of the cost cutting. That said the roll centers will help but. I agree if it's together and you can drive it? Leave it
I was expecting it to be more of an issue to be honest. But it’s not something I’m noticing
Wish Acura kept the style of their new "Integra" the same as the classic ones
My money was on that same hope, glad I bought the RSX after that awful unveiling. All other brands keeps bringing coupes but Honda/Acura can’t? B.S.!
Same. But what can you do
@@ALLDAYANTHONY Get an RSX 🤭 and do what I do, drive around an Acura/Honda dealership and see yourself happy with the car you have. Lol
@@kibawhitefang7176 Not gonna lie, Nissan & Toyota are doing/bringing much better things out than Acura right now
How much have you spent total on the RSX?
Not too much more than the last cost update! Still somewhat reasonable at this point lol
Lemme know when you selling the car ?
Iv got 200k on mine, and ill drive it tell the wheels fall off it 💯
Love this car
Thanks man ❤️
I have noticed that lots have rsx people have been taking off their steering rack riser. You really don't need to do all of those crazy mods once you lower your car. Only things I recommend are probably the RCA.
Not taking them off just putting in a solid one
@@BrandonBuiltVideos sorry I meant the riser not the "slider"
Great video, in live in Eagle
How much was the alignment?
They typically run around $100
@@ALLDAYANTHONY oh wtff I’m definitely getting an alignment, my dad and I have been trying to fix it ourselves for the past two days. 💀
Bring back the Honda civic videos
They’ll be back dont worry
Wheels are still mid. I don’t think they do the DC5 justice
So 🤔 k into into a eg. Still seems to be king as far as #Honda is concerned. Well I got a clean tile eg9 5 speed of Honda wants to let me barrow a new type r engine for benchmarking I won't complain 😅😅
The suspension design on them isn’t the greates
man that montage music rapped my ears.
Are we talking old school rap or new age…
@ALLDAYANTHONY 😂 I dont know. I like nice classical music for montages
seem like your steering wheel lil to right
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Oh thanks I know now that's I need to go to a specialist to lower my car. #Race
car handles better when lowered
K series videos ❤
Old Cartwright rd!!!
Yessir
@@ALLDAYANTHONY Brilliant!!! Hopefully i can get my evo out there soon!
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@@ALLDAYANTHONY yes
This dude knows absolutely nothing
I think you’re over complicating this car 😂 and you don’t seem to like it…. C ya
😅 How is he complicating things? 😮
Wat…
@@ALLDAYANTHONY Is okay, you’re having your own experience and that’s what matters.
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