If a random guy (or girl) approached me in public asking "how much money I make" and "what is your magic number" I'd assume they were trying to traffic me. No way I'd be sticking around by that point lmao
I was going to say my intuition is telling me they are both involved in some real shady shit outside of this mlm, the creepy factor is so strong. I’m sure there are some blind items about them if they’re both kinda famous
That happened to me several times when I worked retail. They started by asking me if I liked my job, then they'd say they thought I'd be a great fit for a job opportunity, and then they'd invite me to an interview, but NOT ONCE would they tell me what the job was or even the name of the company.
"How can it be a pyramid scheme when we sell products?" - people in MLMs "The products don't matter at all. Don't even mention the products ever. Don't name the company. Just pitch them the opportunity of the scheme to recruit them in" - top MLM trainings
I’m a therapist. The magic wand question is something I ask in my practice as a solution focused therapist. They’re employing therapeutic tactics to manipulate these people and that is vile on every level. Rapport building is also something we do in therapy… but as a therapist, I don’t take anything from my clients. Wow. This one was really awful. Thanks, Hannah!
"Find people who are willing to do the work to change their life." Translation: Find people who are so desperate and will do anything to change their vulnerable situation.
Right if they are trying to recruit publicly they are free game. Especially if they make their image a part of their shtick. Like an out of work soap star and her no real job husband.
Colombian here! Oh my god… this was horrible to watch. I’m thinking about how she can be dragging latin people, inmigrants and vulnerable people in general. Awful, shady, ugh… I feel so angry and frustrated. Thanks Hanna, as always you are the best!
I showed her to my mom because she’s always watching novelas and she has no idea who this girl is. We’re both Colombian, living in Colombian, and my mom has lived in the US as well, but hasn’t seen one of her performances. I guess I beat her to it with this awful recruiting call 😰
She was in novelas with Carlos Ponce and even was his girlfriend at one point, like she doesn’t need to be shady she has done a lot of novelas n even started in queen of the south so is like 🤷🏻♀️
Also how is it that Telemundo o Univision here in the states have not said anything about this kind of behavior like none of the “gossip shows” have brought it up (if u r in a gossip show in a bad light u would be cancel in the Latin community) so idk why hasn’t been canceled n gets acting roles still… I am appalled
I don’t think I’ve ever been this angry watching an anti-mlm video. You’re right about them knowing full well what they are doing and then continuing to push for recruiting vulnerable people 😡
I really hate the fact that they are recruiting people who are currently working in their shift. They know full well these retail workers can't be rude to you and walk away because they can get fired from their job. Don't they think its so desperate to be recruiting minimum wage earners to their cult? If I were a lowly paid retail worker I would be suspicious as to why these supposedly "rich" people are wasting their time hounding someone as poor as me to join their business.
What I don't understand is how the consultants sit in these zoom calls, learning all these different tactics to manipulate people and recruit them and "farm" them, and not see any red flags about the fact that these were exact tactics that were used to drag THEM into the company? What if there was someone in this call who had just been recruited because they were going through a tough financial situation only to find that their vulnerability was exploited to get them to join? How on earth do they sit there and think "okay, time to do the same thing to someone else"
Yes I think this ALL THE TIME!!! It’s amazing that sometimes it doesn’t click that they’re being trained to manipulate in the same way they were manipulated!
I love when you guys don’t blur the faces of these public figures! Also, this guy is so creepy. It’s the smile, the narcissism, the cold-calling, and him constantly saying “farming”. Gives me serial killer creeps.
His questions are creepy and manipulative that are specifically targeting people in a vulnerable place. And asking someone how much they get paid is rude AF…JUST WOW
A little comment on the exclusive trainings: as someone who works in a "horrible" corporate job, it would be really weird if only a select few people were allowed to go to a training session for the company. Wouldn't you want all of your employees to have equal training so the whole company is on board with policies and procedures? To me it just adds to the fact that it is not a real business.
Lmao right? A normal business wants EVERYONE to succeed, MLM’s are the only ones that have to have the majority to fail in order for the company and the few lucky ones to succeed. How effed up is that.
To this end: my company works with another company to train those wanting to progress in the management track. Only those seeking it are put into the programme because it’s a year of modules and creating presentations and applying learning to work and vice versa. I’ve been doing it since before this pandemic and I love what I’m learning. But equally a new person wouldn’t benefit much from the course because they don’t know enough about the company
@@bowbooks5659 on the other side my company also has things to help you further your job. But I've been at my job a long time, I enjoy it. And just don't want to advance to something else.it sounds lazy as I type that. But it is great when a company offers chances to improve and Change for the better
I've worked in a furniture shop and some of the trips to the fabric and trainings were only for the top sellers. It was weird and unfair since new people could never go cause their sales were not even close to people in their tenth year in the company.
It's really funny to me that they used the term "farming" cause in gaming slang that's a term for repeatedly killing enemies in order to get money and level up. Kinda fitting
I’ve watched ALOT of your videos in the last week or two. One of my FAVORITE points I’ve heard you make is, “he’s only making it his business because he sees in opportunity in me. But it’s not an opportunity he’s offering me. It’s an opportunity he’s trying to create for himself.”
Recruiting is getting more and more difficult for several reasons: 1- Monat doesn’t seems to allow cross country recruiting (the income disclosures from Canada and the US show this as the incomes in Canada is way lower than in the USA.) 2- There’s several MLM out there so and the vast majority of them don’t allow you to join two MLM at once. 3- The Anti-MLM community is getting louder and more people are aware of these shady businesses. So, it’s definitely not the fault of the downline if they can’t recruit. The system is built for everyone to fail.
My relatives finally left my house, I just crawled into my cozy, finally-empty bed in my finally-empty house, and saw a new upload from you, so I guess you could say I’m having a very happy night!
@@kristyrussell1748 I missed out on the Kimberleiagh or what's her face drama, I am NOT missing this one out 😂 these girls need an mlm to continue their mean girls roles. I mean, I hate Monat, but what they did... that was low, even for them, it was LOW.
@@HannahAlonzo RIGHT? I think you're one of the chillest youtubers I watch (you know what I mean right? like probably the nicest even with the most vile of huns), but I think tea on this is just TOO juicy to pass out. I seriously can't believe 1) they were THAT ruthless and 2) unfortunately, a lot of people will follow them 🤦🏽♀️
You look gorgeous as ever! I have to say, as a Latina and a mulitilingual, these people are so disgusting to me. I don’t claim them. I usually subscribe to the maxim that people with an accent are smart because the accent means they speak more than one language. It’s not true in this case. The man is definitely slimy. Full of himself. There are people like this who are so narcissistic and believe they are so charming and charismatic. It’s mostly men because our society is set up to give them the power.
Girl yes.. they also recruited Scarlett Ortiz. All of the Colombian, Venezuelan, Mexican and cuban actresses and celebrities involved in that scam is disgusting. Instead of helping their followers they decided to scam them instead. This is so awful.
I feel like this video should be sent to the FTC with a memo that says "they said it themselves....." lol Side note: Monat farming people to continue could be a very good movie plot....
This video 1000% needs to be sent to the FTC. I’m not sure how but I’ll look into it. This video is so transparent, it’s scary! Do they not realize they’re explaining, in perfect detail, how it’s a pyramid scheme...?
I referenced your channel today in one of the mom groups that I’m in on Facebook. A fellow mom was looking for work she can do at home and was wondering about MLMs. Of course she brushed me off and said that she wasn’t worried about the “bad companies” even though many other moms chimes in and said don’t do it!!! Hopefully she’ll look at your channel and do some research. But it just goes to show that some people don’t want to know if it’s a bad thing or not they still want to try anyway because they sadly think that they will be in the 1% :(
UGH this breaks my heart!!! It truly is amazing that even when the information is there and available… it’s sometimes easier to just jump into it and blindly trust that it’s going to work out as wonderfully as you’ve been lead to believe. It’s a lot harder to do your own research and find contradictory information to what you hope to be true 💔
If there is such a push at the end of the month to get sales, why in the world do they have these trainings at the same time? My company always does a push the last week of the month for sales. Also no one fills the calendars of the sales team with meetings and training at the same time either. How dumb.
How do you think they convince them to garage qualify? Get them all hyped up about NEEDING to hit that goal. Make them feel guilty if they miss it. Three hours left? Buy product, pay to sign your mom* up (for instance), then buy her a good kit! You may be out lots of money, but “you’ll make it up next month!” It’s an investment, right? *Scummy as all get out, but I’ve seen this on Reddit and in the antiMLM Facebook groups!
This is highly unsettling... everything from his weird questions to his correcting her slight mispronounciations to his Tony Robbins-esque narcissism just makes my skin crawl.
Having worked retail, I hated it when customers tried to personal. Like, I don't know you, I have other customers and I need you to move along so I can do my job. Like, the ones that just stand there and talk your ear off when you got shit to do were the worst. I always appreciated the customers who wanted to get out of the store as much as I did.
She’s also was a telenovela actress and had a following before joining Monat, so she hardly had to work to recruit people and it was easy for her to make money, nothing to do with skill.
"Let's destroy all trust in others and make relationships completely transactional." Honestly MLMs are quite possibly a threat to modern society. Like not even in and of themselves, but as a whole. This is how we literally make the world worse and break down institutions.
I'm in college for physics and chemistry and doing fairly well. I was lucky enough to have the whole thing paid for. Yet, I still get mlm invites. I get the whole "dont get stuck working for the man" pitch. This people seem to be everywhere.
So work for a toxic MLM woman instead? For NO guaranteed salary? Heck, even real salespeople earn a base salary (plus commissions they don't have to share with their downline).
So she’s his “upline” but he’s not letting her talk. Just shows that much more that she doesn’t need to do anything since her downline is just her fan base. Her husband on the other hand clearly has ego issues and can’t accept that his wife is “more successful” than him so he talks so much to boost his ego. And I totally agree with you and everyone else. If that guy came up to me in a store, I would be thinking he was gonna kidnap me and throw me in a van.
Explains why she apologises so much; him pushing her down in different, manipulative ways to still be able to feel “big” next to her. This guy legitimately gives me anxiety.. P.S: Im not excusing her at all, or making her seem innocent. I believe she’s very problematic too. But it does look like he does “subtle” things to step on her to feel important somehow.
So, I am a massage therapist. I work at a franchise spa that has a monthly membership for those that want it. The sales pitch for the membership is the duty of the front desk staff. This guy reminds me of a guy from corporate who came in to train the front desk and tried to convince them that he could sell a membership to anyone. The very next client he tried to sell on the membership said no and wouldn’t budge.
There's more to farming than planting seeds and watering them. You gotta know about seasons, fertilizers, pesticides, the impact of different types of weather. When I chat with cashiers, I usually just ask how they are, maybe (genuinely) compliment something like their hairstyle, glasses, or tattoos. One local cashier wears cat ear headbands. We bonded over our love of cats. She is a doll. I had no motive except really liking her headbands.
What I find interesting is the idea of "planting seeds" like this financially is also used a lot in religious services I hear it a lot from prosperity gospel preachers where they want you to send them a ton of money to "plant the seed" for you to be closer to God, be healed, whatever and it's very manipulative. MLMs remind me of cults so I think it's funny in a bad way how they are copying religious and spiritual language and phrases from all sorts of different places to look more legit or get the people who are involved in those or other religions or spiritualities stuck in the MLM because they feel like it's their life's purpose. It's sad.
Right?? In any normal stranger-to-stranger conversation, there would be small talk or nice compliments. All of this financial questioning ISN’T NORMAL for someone you just met!! It would set off major red flags!
You know what I love? Hearing from my old sales director ONLY at the end of each month. The "how are you?" or "how is your family?" texts only for the next text to mention Mary Kay and an order in some way. After awhile I just stopped responding because even when I made it clear I was no longer going to be a consultant and I didn't need anything because I was trying to get rid of all the crap I already had, she kept pushing. It's all fake.....no one really cares about you unless you're putting in that minimum order each month. You buy your way to the top. Oh it's sooooo exciting!!!! 🙄🙄🙄🙄
You’re videos have been like going down a rabbit hole of mlms 😅 I got asked by one of my mom’s friends to join an mlm a few months ago. I hated my job and wasn’t making enough but I swear, I had no idea what it was at the time but it just felt weird, kept sending me WhatsApp messages of it all and how much I would make! The third time she sent it to me I said I’m really not interested so no thank you!
Watching their talk gave me so much anxiety. I had to constantly remind myself that I don’t have to do those terribly awkward things they were recommending. Soooo glad I was never in an MLM. For someone like me who is introverted and has social anxiety, I’d rather die than go up to strangers and have ingenuous conversations!
The best thing about this is that by April 2024 their income had dropped to below $25,000 a month (yes that's still heaps - but it's nowhere near what they used to get) and she quit. I hope they fail in every future business venture. They did untold damage to their downline.
She’s also coming straight out and saying that you will never be done working. When a person joins an mlm, they were probably told that eventually all the hard work will pay off, and they can relax. She’s saying that was never true. You will always need to continue to recruit.
I have a STEM background but on my weekends for years I worked in mid-range luxury retail for extra spending money. The amount of times these people would show up to the store trying to recruit my coworkers and I was infuriating. Shit like that can get someone fired from their job.
Don't you just wonder why they want to recruit people who obviously are not making a lot of money? If they were so rich I don't think they would be that desperate. Also, did they actually buy anything from your store or did they just go in there specifically to harass you all?
@@fc7307 They never bought anything which was even more annoying! I would have assumed if they had "all that money" they could at least have bought a couple $400 handbags we sold or something.
Holy crap, girl you hit the diamond (1st thing I thought of, I’ve been playing a lot of Minecraft lately 😂) of terrible videos!! This was incredible. I watch soooo much MLM reaction vids and this is probably absolute best one to prove to any pro-MLMer that MLMs are just a costume, a disguise for a pyramid scheme. I LOVE when they admit that the products aren’t the main focus, like damn handcuff yourself why don’t you! What makes this better is no one can say oh it’s just these people, it’s not Monet themselves BUT the family that started Monet literally just wanted to make an MLM of any kind, and randomly chose shampoo. They have admitted this themselves! It’s not like wanted to make a great product and then chose this path, they literally just wanted to find a loophole to make a “legal” pyramid scheme..
I found you recently and can’t stop bingeing these videos. This one hits different. I’m a counsellor and a lot of their ‘techniques’ are counselling techniques for short term, or solution focused, counselling but they are using it to manipulate people for their personal gain. the similarities honestly strikes me as horrifying because people really respond to rapport building, the miracle question, and questions that lead them to finding simple steps toward life improving solutions, and it gives me chills thinking of the vulnerable populations that are targeted and caught up in this. Thank you for bringing awareness.❤️
Just wow. Every word out of his mouth was just despicable. He reminds me of a guy who approached me when I was in University. I was working part-time at a bookstore, and this guy pretended to need help finding a book, and then proceeded to ask me all the same creepy and invasive questions. He "invited" me to learn more about the "amazing business opportunity" so being young, naive, and a people pleaser, I of course said yes. I brought my boyfriend to the meeting (because I at least knew not to meet a creepy middle aged man alone) and this guy managed to convince us BOTH to join Primerica! We paid for a course to get some sort of license to sell insurance (which was not cheap) and after we both passed the course we never heard from the creepy guy again. Not to mention we never found out how we were supposed to go about selling insurance and making boatloads of money. People like this need to be stopped! Thank you for all that you do Hannah!
OMG, I almost got roped into joining Primerica as well! Thankfully, I only paid the $99 starter fee because I realized there was NO way I would ever sell overpriced insurance when Geico, Travelers, State Farm, etc. exist.
I was tricked into selling insurance when I was 19 and it is a very similar marketing strategy... praying on insecurities and sensitive situations for a profit
@17:30 They keep talking about conversations and building relationships. It just triggers my social anxiety & I hate it. Please don’t talk to me about your business “opportunity.” Please don’t start a conversation with me to get something out of me.
Uggghh I can't imagine something worse than getting an MLM pitch at a high school reunion. The idea of HS reunions gives me anxiety PERIOD (my 20 year is coming up-YIKES) and if someone threw that at me, I would explode. This is such a scary training. Thank you for sharing and exposing this.
I really like your content. You're the second antimlm content creator I'm subscribing to. I've been in an MLM for 14 years and just recently for the first time started going down the rabbit hole of antimlm content. My mind is blown away by it all because I just haven't had any of these experiences in 14 years that I see in all of the antimlm content.
Oh, another reason I dropped out of the program was because the focus was on creating our own coaching program, and the goal was to sell as many people as possible. Yet fulfillment wasn't talked about as much as sales calls. And as someone who absolutely hates sales calls and the traditional coaching model, it was a hard nope from me. It wasn't totally MLM style, but having a coaching program that teaches people how to create their own coaching program is something so common and just feels icky to me.
Hannah these videos you put together are fire! Fiercely graceful, no less. The vids have been so fun to have in my headphones at work--my corporate pyramid job. I've been able to recruit Kiki, munecat, and a few others into my YT channel downline and am very grateful! EDIT: This video. The phony enthusiasm folks like this have. Gross 🤢 When any speaker says "excited" or "synergy," instant stink-face.
Hannah!!! I know I shouldn't say this here but.....they are like Pimps! Taking the people who are down and out, struggling, vulnerable. Then use them for their own monetary gain. Disgusting.
Totally agree with you that emotional manipulation for recruiting is way worse. I remember a few years ago, and I moved to Texas and didn’t know a soul there other than my husband and his parents. I was really struggling because I consider myself a very social person, but I didn’t really have a way of making friends. I was at the store one day, and a girl and her boyfriend approached me and she was like “I feel like I know you? What high school did you go to?” And then I explained that I didn’t grow up around here, and she was like “hmm, do you work around here? You seriously look so familiar.” I didn’t recognize her at all, but I told her that I used to work at an ULTA near there, but I recently got a new job. We just chatted, and they both seemed super nice! She told me they were both engineers, and they genuinely seemed cool. They knew I was new to town, so we exchanged numbers so we could all go out for dinner or drinks sometime. I felt actually really excited because this was the first time that I’d felt a connection with anyone since I’d relocated. A couple days later, I got a text from them talking about this business they’re kicking ass in (thought y’all were engineers?), and they said they wanted me to come to lunch with them and talk about it. Honestly, it made me sick to my stomach. I usually have a really great bullshit radar, but I genuinely thought these people wanted to be friends! I just ignored the texts and got a follow up or two before the messages died. But I’ll never forget! I really wish I knew what scam they were involved in. Now I’m suspicious of any friendly stranger that strikes up a conversation with me in a public space! Which I hate because I really enjoy talking with people and making conversation. Sadly, scammers always show their true colors! Anywho, love the videos ❤️
The fear in your eyes when he opened his recruitment spiel with the warning "you're gonna have to be open-minded"... I felt the exact same hahah. Like oh god, what horrors is he about to say 😂😬 EDIT: oh god I commented too soon, he's just getting worse and worse
They pretty much said at the beginning that sales don't matter and recruiting does. 'Cause if sales from customers only matter the most, then people wouldn't care if people in the downline left. It would be like the extra bonus or commissions would be lost, but the sale of products would still make them enough money. Though that would mean that the mlm company would give them some kind of set pay or at least make the commissions based on sales from people that don't work in the mlm. Though we know that would make every mlm hardly any money since the reps are the ones buying the most products and are the most often returning buyers of a mlm product/service. I wonder if one day mlms will have to show how much in sales they made for the year and show how much of it is from the reps buying starter packs and self purchase requirements. That would say i.m.o. that the reps are or aren't the mostly there to be a mlm's best customer.
This is really sad especially because I actually do know a guy who would ask you the kind of questions like what do you like about your job because he's sincere and he might even have advice just to better yourself but it's not for a scam, it's because he's that kind of great person period
The first girl would definitely be a reason I would join an MLM. She seems like she could be a good friend. I really like her personality. The upside I know I would be way too "lazy" to sell anything ever. I wouldn't put the effort in.
After the guy talked about how people shower every day, so there's always use for shampoo, I was thinking of how a guy just like him (he looks like a sales rep) would start asking "do you like to shower?" "do you wash your hair?" This because I have bad memories from the holiday timeshare pitches I've been to.x) They were litterally asking if we like to go on holidays, etc. And when you answer "yes, of course", that's what they'll build the pitch on.
His advice for recruiting reminds me of bosses I have had that tell us how we need to increase our productivity. The big issue is that they don't actually work on the floor so they don't understand the different obstacles that get in the way that make it difficult to obtain high productivity.
Most of the time when I see "trainings" of mlm companies they are mostly fluff & playing business, no actual information. This one however seems oddly threatening. What else would he manipulate to get what he wants?
The Ahab and Jezebel of our time, only Ahab was a limp noodle, and this Jay dude (Ximena's husband) is a snake oil salesman through and through. Why did he marry such a famous person if he's so insecure?
As someone who is really lonely, hearing how he calls someone 7 times acting like a friend and someone that is genuinely interested is so heartbreaking.
I’ve just found your channel & have been binge watching. Up til now I haven’t commented since I’m months behind & figured you wouldn’t see them BUT I had to comment on this one. “Go talk to 7 people a day” Seriously?!?! Who on earth has that kind of time? Who is sleazy enough to fake interest in 7 people a day? And as an introvert I have to say I don’t talk to 7 new people in a year much less a week. These two take the cake for being completely clueless about their downlines struggles & clueless for thinking pretending to form a relationship with someone so they can make more money is somehow “helping” people. I am glad you showed their faces because people need to know to stay away from these two. I now need to take a shower to wash off the grossness of those two. 🤢
What you said at 30:30 Yesss! A Young living hun did this to me! It is honestly horrible you really think they care, but they just want to recruit you 😒
I had a random person come up to me at the grocery store once asking what I do for work and what I went to college for and if I liked my job, at the time I didn't realize what it was about, but after it was over I was thinking about it and for sure he was trying to recruit me into some sort of MLM. It was one of the most awkward conversations in my entire 30 years of life. He tried to ask for my phone number and where I worked, thankfully I gave him no personal info, but it's scary to think some people might...
I loved your bit at the beginning. Honestly after an MLM I have a hard time with any marketing. It makes my skin crawl, but it isn't all bad. I have however seen some anti mlm channels that definitely just brought their mlm training to their TH-cam promotion and it just screams hypocrisy. Thanks for keeping it fun and classy.
"Don't make that decision for people." That's what my upline used to say when I would say that I wasn't going to try to recruit anyone because nobody would be interested. To "stop assuming. You don't know that." They all read from the exact same script.
How many ppl do you know that is struggling in life so we can really tear them down and take whatever little money they have . This is SICK and they should be ashamed of themselves.
they are pretty disgusting to listen too Reminds me of when I sold rental contracts on consumer goods. The rental contracts would cost the buyers 3 times the price of the product over its life and it only gave them the same rights they had under law anyway. The worst part was it was targeted at low income people and beneficiaries. I also just got scammed by an insurance broker. They used all the same tactics
Ughhhhhhh this one made me furious!!!! 🤬 I absolutely know a Monat rep who went and had photos taken with the Cadillac at the dealership and posted them allllll over social media……but she doesn’t drive it. Doesn’t own it. It was FAKE.
I won’t lie to you…. I said it, and then I stopped filming for a second to look up that I had the correct spelling/pronunciation, and then I continued 😂
Me, a cashier in a supermarket approached by a MLM lady doing her shopping, the lady asks about my dream job. My answer: I'd like a job where I would not have to talk to people all day, just do my job, take pride in it and go home. True story. One time I knew she was MLM, because she invited me to one of the introduction meetings. But looking back on the customer encounters through the years I actually there were more like that, which I at the time assumed were just chats (I must have ruined the whole plan for them with my honest introvert response) 😂
The creepy factor definitely comes from "older man being overly friendly with women they don't even know" because they want something from you. Just feels super slimy and like he even says, you can usually tell who's a salesman. Also, the pervasive ignoring of boundaries after someone has said no multiple times?! Ugh!
Never apologize for having an accent! If my partner made fun of how I speak in front of others I would be hurt. NOT defending WHAT she is saying but HOW she says things.
Completely agree! Never apologize for an accent, I actually think they're super impressive because it means that person knows more than one language which is an incredible skill!
I agree that some random person asking how much money I make at my job is weird and inappropriate, however, asking coworkers who do the same job as you is really important. It is a way for corporations to abuse and control the money we make and what we deserve.
Oh wouldn't it be great if these calls were honest. As you said, it would take 30s. "Hi. Recruit and keep recruiting, otherwise you don't rank, otherwise you don't get money. Gn, recruit." No filler, no blowing things out of proportion, no fake positivity, no manipulation. But then again, if they were like that 1- no content 2- no one would join anyways P.s- great video and excited for your next upload!
It was bad enough with the 'farming' analogy but then he added 'hunting' and I would say that is far more apt: corner a sick animal, beat it down, take what you need from it, then leave while it dies.
This video just lit a fire under my butt. Emotional manipulation is the worst in my book. It takes a coldness to be able to perform this. It's good to be driven and check boxes, but if you don't feel icky doing this eventually.....I feel sorry for you. Where are you in 20yrs at retirement)
Hey Hannah, super fan of yours! A thought just came across my head as I was listening. Firstly, I loathe MLM’s just as much As the rest of us here. The point you made at the start of the call, when the trainer said “it’s the end of the month, you have until 11:59pm to hit your goals where your slate is wiped cleaned, and then the rat race starts again.” I work in sales (NOT an MLM, I’ve worked in sales pretty much most of my career, and it’s a reality that it is a rat race to make as many sales, close as many leads etc before the next month comes in. Not saying this is entirely healthy either as I am an advocate for work life balance, but there has been points in my career that I have worked late at end of the month to close as much business as I can. To be clear, I am NOT in an MLM, nor have I been, but I thought it was important to make that point that’s it’s not just inclusive to MLM’s Lots of love and congrats on your continued growth on your channel :)
It's a couple of things that creep you out. 1. Narcissistic, 2. He is selling - how to manipulate people, 3. Selling shady business practices, and 4. He is an emotional abuser 100%
They are basically say find someone with no money.. SIS how are they even gonna join ?? They have no money. You think they are going to afford 299$ plus you need to buy products every month?? How the hell are they going to afford to even join. I would say umm 🤔 no hun I didn’t have to pay Target in order to get the job & I’m guaranteed a paycheck every week .
That $299 starter kit should be a red flag to ANYONE. Even "lowly" Target retail jobs pay for your training. Plus, they don't expect you to purchase their products.
I recently discovered your channel and have since been binge-watching your videos, and I have to say that I love your content and the way in which you explain everything. You're informative and don't sugarcoat, while also being classy and professional about it at the same time. Also the way you look and carry yourself reminds me of Dr Cameron on House ☺️ Edit: I watched more of this video, and I have to comment on how off-putting and creepy this guy is. The wife too, actually. They're both completely despicable.
He’s very good and his advice is very good. The reason we don’t agree is because we are not the targets. He wouldn’t really try us, he’d notice right away that we are not the right target. Just like any other narcissist.
If a random guy (or girl) approached me in public asking "how much money I make" and "what is your magic number" I'd assume they were trying to traffic me. No way I'd be sticking around by that point lmao
Right?? So off-putting and creepy!
@@HannahAlonzo Exactly!!!
I was going to say my intuition is telling me they are both involved in some real shady shit outside of this mlm, the creepy factor is so strong. I’m sure there are some blind items about them if they’re both kinda famous
haha yes! 100% agree! That would probably result in a call to my husband... who's police....
That happened to me several times when I worked retail. They started by asking me if I liked my job, then they'd say they thought I'd be a great fit for a job opportunity, and then they'd invite me to an interview, but NOT ONCE would they tell me what the job was or even the name of the company.
"How can it be a pyramid scheme when we sell products?" - people in MLMs
"The products don't matter at all. Don't even mention the products ever. Don't name the company. Just pitch them the opportunity of the scheme to recruit them in" - top MLM trainings
L I T E R A L L Y
AHHH SO TRUE
For real! They go so long talking about nothing
Hit the nail on the head. 🔨
I’m a therapist. The magic wand question is something I ask in my practice as a solution focused therapist. They’re employing therapeutic tactics to manipulate these people and that is vile on every level. Rapport building is also something we do in therapy… but as a therapist, I don’t take anything from my clients. Wow. This one was really awful. Thanks, Hannah!
I’m a counselor and immediately registered the miracle question! So messed up.
I was about to say this! I do social work and we are constantly being taught this. I hate that they're using this amazing technique to manipulate them
But surely u do take a wage from these clients so do take something
The passive aggressive tension between the couple is honestly palpable 😂
"Find people who are willing to do the work to change their life."
Translation: Find people who are so desperate and will do anything to change their vulnerable situation.
Yep! Exactly... It's crazy how they will say one thing but you can totally read between the lines to understand what they really mean.
Oooo girl!!!! Your talking real stuff.
Yeah, that was a really convoluted way to say, "prey on the vulnerable & desperate."
Totally agree with not blurring the faces. Technically they are public figures so I think your all a good!
She's 100% all good. You dont even need to qualify the statement with "i think". XD
Right if they are trying to recruit publicly they are free game. Especially if they make their image a part of their shtick. Like an out of work soap star and her no real job husband.
Really she doesn't _have_ to blur anyone's face, it's just out of respect and not a legal requirement or anything.
Colombian here! Oh my god… this was horrible to watch. I’m thinking about how she can be dragging latin people, inmigrants and vulnerable people in general. Awful, shady, ugh… I feel so angry and frustrated. Thanks Hanna, as always you are the best!
Your anger is justified! Also, I got so irritated every time he’d interrupt “his wife” (as he kept calling her) to correct her pronunciation. 😡
I’ve lived here for ny whole life and have no idea who she is🤣🤣🤣
I showed her to my mom because she’s always watching novelas and she has no idea who this girl is. We’re both Colombian, living in Colombian, and my mom has lived in the US as well, but hasn’t seen one of her performances. I guess I beat her to it with this awful recruiting call 😰
She was in novelas with Carlos Ponce and even was his girlfriend at one point, like she doesn’t need to be shady she has done a lot of novelas n even started in queen of the south so is like 🤷🏻♀️
Also how is it that Telemundo o Univision here in the states have not said anything about this kind of behavior like none of the “gossip shows” have brought it up (if u r in a gossip show in a bad light u would be cancel in the Latin community) so idk why hasn’t been canceled n gets acting roles still… I am appalled
I don’t think I’ve ever been this angry watching an anti-mlm video. You’re right about them knowing full well what they are doing and then continuing to push for recruiting vulnerable people 😡
I really hate the fact that they are recruiting people who are currently working in their shift. They know full well these retail workers can't be rude to you and walk away because they can get fired from their job. Don't they think its so desperate to be recruiting minimum wage earners to their cult? If I were a lowly paid retail worker I would be suspicious as to why these supposedly "rich" people are wasting their time hounding someone as poor as me to join their business.
It’s infuriating, isn’t it?? I feel like they 100% know what they’re doing,
I'm only on the first hun! Uh oh 😅😅😢
What I don't understand is how the consultants sit in these zoom calls, learning all these different tactics to manipulate people and recruit them and "farm" them, and not see any red flags about the fact that these were exact tactics that were used to drag THEM into the company?
What if there was someone in this call who had just been recruited because they were going through a tough financial situation only to find that their vulnerability was exploited to get them to join? How on earth do they sit there and think "okay, time to do the same thing to someone else"
YES!!! this is what I always think about. Wouldn’t they quickly realize they were just a dollar sign? :/ so bizarre
Yes I think this ALL THE TIME!!! It’s amazing that sometimes it doesn’t click that they’re being trained to manipulate in the same way they were manipulated!
Cult mentality they can't see clearly
I love when you guys don’t blur the faces of these public figures! Also, this guy is so creepy. It’s the smile, the narcissism, the cold-calling, and him constantly saying “farming”. Gives me serial killer creeps.
Him calling his wife (aka his upline) his CEO! I just can't -
His questions are creepy and manipulative that are specifically targeting people in a vulnerable place. And asking someone how much they get paid is rude AF…JUST WOW
Completely agree! Totally creeped me out!
A little comment on the exclusive trainings: as someone who works in a "horrible" corporate job, it would be really weird if only a select few people were allowed to go to a training session for the company. Wouldn't you want all of your employees to have equal training so the whole company is on board with policies and procedures? To me it just adds to the fact that it is not a real business.
Lmao right? A normal business wants EVERYONE to succeed, MLM’s are the only ones that have to have the majority to fail in order for the company and the few lucky ones to succeed. How effed up is that.
To this end: my company works with another company to train those wanting to progress in the management track. Only those seeking it are put into the programme because it’s a year of modules and creating presentations and applying learning to work and vice versa. I’ve been doing it since before this pandemic and I love what I’m learning. But equally a new person wouldn’t benefit much from the course because they don’t know enough about the company
Yes such a great point!!
@@bowbooks5659 on the other side my company also has things to help you further your job. But I've been at my job a long time, I enjoy it. And just don't want to advance to something else.it sounds lazy as I type that. But it is great when a company offers chances to improve and Change for the better
I've worked in a furniture shop and some of the trips to the fabric and trainings were only for the top sellers. It was weird and unfair since new people could never go cause their sales were not even close to people in their tenth year in the company.
It's really funny to me that they used the term "farming" cause in gaming slang that's a term for repeatedly killing enemies in order to get money and level up. Kinda fitting
Thissss
Exactly! How creepy is this.
I’ve watched ALOT of your videos in the last week or two.
One of my FAVORITE points I’ve heard you make is, “he’s only making it his business because he sees in opportunity in me. But it’s not an opportunity he’s offering me. It’s an opportunity he’s trying to create for himself.”
Recruiting is getting more and more difficult for several reasons:
1- Monat doesn’t seems to allow cross country recruiting (the income disclosures from Canada and the US show this as the incomes in Canada is way lower than in the USA.)
2- There’s several MLM out there so and the vast majority of them don’t allow you to join two MLM at once.
3- The Anti-MLM community is getting louder and more people are aware of these shady businesses.
So, it’s definitely not the fault of the downline if they can’t recruit. The system is built for everyone to fail.
My relatives finally left my house, I just crawled into my cozy, finally-empty bed in my finally-empty house, and saw a new upload from you, so I guess you could say I’m having a very happy night!
That sounds incredible!! 🤩
ohhh excited for this, Monat and WFABB has been giving me so much entertainment in the past few days, it's INSANE
Yesss I am so ready to catch up on all the WFABB drama!
Me too Bee. Soooo good
Omg yes!! I've been so invested!
@@kristyrussell1748 I missed out on the Kimberleiagh or what's her face drama, I am NOT missing this one out 😂 these girls need an mlm to continue their mean girls roles. I mean, I hate Monat, but what they did... that was low, even for them, it was LOW.
@@HannahAlonzo RIGHT? I think you're one of the chillest youtubers I watch (you know what I mean right? like probably the nicest even with the most vile of huns), but I think tea on this is just TOO juicy to pass out. I seriously can't believe 1) they were THAT ruthless and 2) unfortunately, a lot of people will follow them 🤦🏽♀️
You look gorgeous as ever!
I have to say, as a Latina and a mulitilingual, these people are so disgusting to me. I don’t claim them. I usually subscribe to the maxim that people with an accent are smart because the accent means they speak more than one language. It’s not true in this case.
The man is definitely slimy. Full of himself. There are people like this who are so narcissistic and believe they are so charming and charismatic. It’s mostly men because our society is set up to give them the power.
Girl yes.. they also recruited Scarlett Ortiz. All of the Colombian, Venezuelan, Mexican and cuban actresses and celebrities involved in that scam is disgusting. Instead of helping their followers they decided to scam them instead. This is so awful.
I feel like this video should be sent to the FTC with a memo that says "they said it themselves....." lol Side note: Monat farming people to continue could be a very good movie plot....
This video 1000% needs to be sent to the FTC. I’m not sure how but I’ll look into it. This video is so transparent, it’s scary! Do they not realize they’re explaining, in perfect detail, how it’s a pyramid scheme...?
It kind of was a movie already.....the matrix.
I referenced your channel today in one of the mom groups that I’m in on Facebook. A fellow mom was looking for work she can do at home and was wondering about MLMs. Of course she brushed me off and said that she wasn’t worried about the “bad companies” even though many other moms chimes in and said don’t do it!!! Hopefully she’ll look at your channel and do some research. But it just goes to show that some people don’t want to know if it’s a bad thing or not they still want to try anyway because they sadly think that they will be in the 1% :(
UGH this breaks my heart!!! It truly is amazing that even when the information is there and available… it’s sometimes easier to just jump into it and blindly trust that it’s going to work out as wonderfully as you’ve been lead to believe. It’s a lot harder to do your own research and find contradictory information to what you hope to be true 💔
As Nietzsche said, some people want to know, and some people want to believe…
I totally agree with not blurring people “at the top” I think you should do it more often! But go with your gut!
If there is such a push at the end of the month to get sales, why in the world do they have these trainings at the same time? My company always does a push the last week of the month for sales. Also no one fills the calendars of the sales team with meetings and training at the same time either. How dumb.
How do you think they convince them to garage qualify?
Get them all hyped up about NEEDING to hit that goal. Make them feel guilty if they miss it.
Three hours left? Buy product, pay to sign your mom* up (for instance), then buy her a good kit! You may be out lots of money, but “you’ll make it up next month!” It’s an investment, right?
*Scummy as all get out, but I’ve seen this on Reddit and in the antiMLM Facebook groups!
This is highly unsettling... everything from his weird questions to his correcting her slight mispronounciations to his Tony Robbins-esque narcissism just makes my skin crawl.
SAMEEE, I am severely sketched out by him!!
Exactly what I was thinking. So so creepy
Yes!!! I get so annoyed every time her “corrects” her English. 😤
Having worked retail, I hated it when customers tried to personal. Like, I don't know you, I have other customers and I need you to move along so I can do my job. Like, the ones that just stand there and talk your ear off when you got shit to do were the worst.
I always appreciated the customers who wanted to get out of the store as much as I did.
She’s also was a telenovela actress and had a following before joining Monat, so she hardly had to work to recruit people and it was easy for her to make money, nothing to do with skill.
Exactly especially when monat has a target audience in the young latina women !
"Let's destroy all trust in others and make relationships completely transactional."
Honestly MLMs are quite possibly a threat to modern society. Like not even in and of themselves, but as a whole. This is how we literally make the world worse and break down institutions.
This, right here 👏
I'm in college for physics and chemistry and doing fairly well. I was lucky enough to have the whole thing paid for. Yet, I still get mlm invites. I get the whole "dont get stuck working for the man" pitch. This people seem to be everywhere.
So work for a toxic MLM woman instead? For NO guaranteed salary? Heck, even real salespeople earn a base salary (plus commissions they don't have to share with their downline).
These tatics are utterly despicable and manipulative, they clearly have no conscience. Thank you for your work, Hannah.
So she’s his “upline” but he’s not letting her talk. Just shows that much more that she doesn’t need to do anything since her downline is just her fan base. Her husband on the other hand clearly has ego issues and can’t accept that his wife is “more successful” than him so he talks so much to boost his ego. And I totally agree with you and everyone else. If that guy came up to me in a store, I would be thinking he was gonna kidnap me and throw me in a van.
Yes exactly
Ooh very interesting observation, yes!
Explains why she apologises so much; him pushing her down in different, manipulative ways to still be able to feel “big” next to her. This guy legitimately gives me anxiety..
P.S: Im not excusing her at all, or making her seem innocent. I believe she’s very problematic too. But it does look like he does “subtle” things to step on her to feel important somehow.
So, I am a massage therapist. I work at a franchise spa that has a monthly membership for those that want it. The sales pitch for the membership is the duty of the front desk staff. This guy reminds me of a guy from corporate who came in to train the front desk and tried to convince them that he could sell a membership to anyone. The very next client he tried to sell on the membership said no and wouldn’t budge.
There's more to farming than planting seeds and watering them. You gotta know about seasons, fertilizers, pesticides, the impact of different types of weather.
When I chat with cashiers, I usually just ask how they are, maybe (genuinely) compliment something like their hairstyle, glasses, or tattoos.
One local cashier wears cat ear headbands. We bonded over our love of cats. She is a doll. I had no motive except really liking her headbands.
That’s called making human connections….as opposed to farming people for your own profit.
What I find interesting is the idea of "planting seeds" like this financially is also used a lot in religious services I hear it a lot from prosperity gospel preachers where they want you to send them a ton of money to "plant the seed" for you to be closer to God, be healed, whatever and it's very manipulative. MLMs remind me of cults so I think it's funny in a bad way how they are copying religious and spiritual language and phrases from all sorts of different places to look more legit or get the people who are involved in those or other religions or spiritualities stuck in the MLM because they feel like it's their life's purpose. It's sad.
Right?? In any normal stranger-to-stranger conversation, there would be small talk or nice compliments. All of this financial questioning ISN’T NORMAL for someone you just met!! It would set off major red flags!
Monat is crumbling rn and I’m here for it 👏👏
Me too! Cheers to that!
You know what I love? Hearing from my old sales director ONLY at the end of each month. The "how are you?" or "how is your family?" texts only for the next text to mention Mary Kay and an order in some way. After awhile I just stopped responding because even when I made it clear I was no longer going to be a consultant and I didn't need anything because I was trying to get rid of all the crap I already had, she kept pushing. It's all fake.....no one really cares about you unless you're putting in that minimum order each month. You buy your way to the top. Oh it's sooooo exciting!!!! 🙄🙄🙄🙄
Can't help but point out that "farming" is the same euphemism used to talk about animal slaughter ("farming animals").
I k r?? So grossly gross
YES OMG. I hated the way they used the term "farming"
I always get SO exhausted just listening to five minutes of these training calls. I can't imagine going to them again and again. 😅
You’re videos have been like going down a rabbit hole of mlms 😅
I got asked by one of my mom’s friends to join an mlm a few months ago. I hated my job and wasn’t making enough but I swear, I had no idea what it was at the time but it just felt weird, kept sending me WhatsApp messages of it all and how much I would make! The third time she sent it to me I said I’m really not interested so no thank you!
Watching their talk gave me so much anxiety. I had to constantly remind myself that I don’t have to do those terribly awkward things they were recommending. Soooo glad I was never in an MLM. For someone like me who is introverted and has social anxiety, I’d rather die than go up to strangers and have ingenuous conversations!
This is far and away the sleaziest opportunity pitch training I have EVER seen 😳 wow.
Right?? Isn't it? It feels so so so icky
I love the mix of well-spoken and an understated sass that is developing with every video… everyone needs a “Hannah” friend in their lives 👯♀️
Hahahaha I love it!!
And I appreciate that she can do it without anger, aggressiveness or profanity.
The best thing about this is that by April 2024 their income had dropped to below $25,000 a month (yes that's still heaps - but it's nowhere near what they used to get) and she quit.
I hope they fail in every future business venture. They did untold damage to their downline.
Why would ppl want to leave a job that pays them to a 1099 contractor worker that needs to pay 299$ to volunteer??
The reason he said he could see a salesman 20 miles away is likely because they can always recognize their own kind.
Takes one to know one!!
She’s also coming straight out and saying that you will never be done working. When a person joins an mlm, they were probably told that eventually all the hard work will pay off, and they can relax. She’s saying that was never true. You will always need to continue to recruit.
That was so bizarre! She loves this business model because you can never stop? How is that a selling point??
I have a STEM background but on my weekends for years I worked in mid-range luxury retail for extra spending money. The amount of times these people would show up to the store trying to recruit my coworkers and I was infuriating.
Shit like that can get someone fired from their job.
Don't you just wonder why they want to recruit people who obviously are not making a lot of money? If they were so rich I don't think they would be that desperate. Also, did they actually buy anything from your store or did they just go in there specifically to harass you all?
@@fc7307
They never bought anything which was even more annoying!
I would have assumed if they had "all that money" they could at least have bought a couple $400 handbags we sold or something.
Between you, Savannah, Isabella, and Mack, I don’t understand how anyone can be in an MLM.
And münecat!
Beats me 😅
Holy crap, girl you hit the diamond (1st thing I thought of, I’ve been playing a lot of Minecraft lately 😂) of terrible videos!! This was incredible. I watch soooo much MLM reaction vids and this is probably absolute best one to prove to any pro-MLMer that MLMs are just a costume, a disguise for a pyramid scheme. I LOVE when they admit that the products aren’t the main focus, like damn handcuff yourself why don’t you! What makes this better is no one can say oh it’s just these people, it’s not Monet themselves BUT the family that started Monet literally just wanted to make an MLM of any kind, and randomly chose shampoo. They have admitted this themselves! It’s not like wanted to make a great product and then chose this path, they literally just wanted to find a loophole to make a “legal” pyramid scheme..
I found you recently and can’t stop bingeing these videos. This one hits different. I’m a counsellor and a lot of their ‘techniques’ are counselling techniques for short term, or solution focused, counselling but they are using it to manipulate people for their personal gain. the similarities honestly strikes me as horrifying because people really respond to rapport building, the miracle question, and questions that lead them to finding simple steps toward life improving solutions, and it gives me chills thinking of the vulnerable populations that are targeted and caught up in this. Thank you for bringing awareness.❤️
Just wow. Every word out of his mouth was just despicable. He reminds me of a guy who approached me when I was in University. I was working part-time at a bookstore, and this guy pretended to need help finding a book, and then proceeded to ask me all the same creepy and invasive questions. He "invited" me to learn more about the "amazing business opportunity" so being young, naive, and a people pleaser, I of course said yes. I brought my boyfriend to the meeting (because I at least knew not to meet a creepy middle aged man alone) and this guy managed to convince us BOTH to join Primerica! We paid for a course to get some sort of license to sell insurance (which was not cheap) and after we both passed the course we never heard from the creepy guy again. Not to mention we never found out how we were supposed to go about selling insurance and making boatloads of money. People like this need to be stopped! Thank you for all that you do Hannah!
Oh my gosh this is crazy!!! MLM Huns everywhere!!!
OMG, I almost got roped into joining Primerica as well! Thankfully, I only paid the $99 starter fee because I realized there was NO way I would ever sell overpriced insurance when Geico, Travelers, State Farm, etc. exist.
I was right in the middle of typing that he sold insurance when he said it. These two are definitely something.🙄
The only thing these two people said, as far as I'm concerned, was "y'all go out and do the dirty work so we can stay where we are".
I was tricked into selling insurance when I was 19 and it is a very similar marketing strategy... praying on insecurities and sensitive situations for a profit
@17:30 They keep talking about conversations and building relationships. It just triggers my social anxiety & I hate it. Please don’t talk to me about your business “opportunity.” Please don’t start a conversation with me to get something out of me.
The farming-people-thing reminds me of that dystopian film "soylent green", this ist probably a strange comparison... but directly came in my mind...
That immediately came to my mind...farming people.
Uggghh I can't imagine something worse than getting an MLM pitch at a high school reunion. The idea of HS reunions gives me anxiety PERIOD (my 20 year is coming up-YIKES) and if someone threw that at me, I would explode. This is such a scary training. Thank you for sharing and exposing this.
I really like your content. You're the second antimlm content creator I'm subscribing to. I've been in an MLM for 14 years and just recently for the first time started going down the rabbit hole of antimlm content. My mind is blown away by it all because I just haven't had any of these experiences in 14 years that I see in all of the antimlm content.
What are the MLMs did you join? 🤔 It’s interesting and do you know of others that didn’t go thru this?
Oh, another reason I dropped out of the program was because the focus was on creating our own coaching program, and the goal was to sell as many people as possible. Yet fulfillment wasn't talked about as much as sales calls.
And as someone who absolutely hates sales calls and the traditional coaching model, it was a hard nope from me.
It wasn't totally MLM style, but having a coaching program that teaches people how to create their own coaching program is something so common and just feels icky to me.
Hannah these videos you put together are fire! Fiercely graceful, no less. The vids have been so fun to have in my headphones at work--my corporate pyramid job. I've been able to recruit Kiki, munecat, and a few others into my YT channel downline and am very grateful!
EDIT: This video. The phony enthusiasm folks like this have. Gross 🤢 When any speaker says "excited" or "synergy," instant stink-face.
Hannah!!! I know I shouldn't say this here but.....they are like Pimps! Taking the people who are down and out, struggling, vulnerable. Then use them for their own monetary gain. Disgusting.
So we’re calling it FARMING now?!??? Wtf
Hannah, your gut and intuition tell you that something is amiss with his pitch. Yes... trust your intuition. Great point.
Totally agree with you that emotional manipulation for recruiting is way worse. I remember a few years ago, and I moved to Texas and didn’t know a soul there other than my husband and his parents. I was really struggling because I consider myself a very social person, but I didn’t really have a way of making friends. I was at the store one day, and a girl and her boyfriend approached me and she was like “I feel like I know you? What high school did you go to?” And then I explained that I didn’t grow up around here, and she was like “hmm, do you work around here? You seriously look so familiar.” I didn’t recognize her at all, but I told her that I used to work at an ULTA near there, but I recently got a new job. We just chatted, and they both seemed super nice! She told me they were both engineers, and they genuinely seemed cool. They knew I was new to town, so we exchanged numbers so we could all go out for dinner or drinks sometime. I felt actually really excited because this was the first time that I’d felt a connection with anyone since I’d relocated. A couple days later, I got a text from them talking about this business they’re kicking ass in (thought y’all were engineers?), and they said they wanted me to come to lunch with them and talk about it. Honestly, it made me sick to my stomach. I usually have a really great bullshit radar, but I genuinely thought these people wanted to be friends! I just ignored the texts and got a follow up or two before the messages died. But I’ll never forget! I really wish I knew what scam they were involved in. Now I’m suspicious of any friendly stranger that strikes up a conversation with me in a public space! Which I hate because I really enjoy talking with people and making conversation. Sadly, scammers always show their true colors! Anywho, love the videos ❤️
The fear in your eyes when he opened his recruitment spiel with the warning "you're gonna have to be open-minded"... I felt the exact same hahah. Like oh god, what horrors is he about to say 😂😬
EDIT: oh god I commented too soon, he's just getting worse and worse
I was like “ohhhh no where is this going…..?” 😂
They pretty much said at the beginning that sales don't matter and recruiting does. 'Cause if sales from customers only matter the most, then people wouldn't care if people in the downline left. It would be like the extra bonus or commissions would be lost, but the sale of products would still make them enough money. Though that would mean that the mlm company would give them some kind of set pay or at least make the commissions based on sales from people that don't work in the mlm. Though we know that would make every mlm hardly any money since the reps are the ones buying the most products and are the most often returning buyers of a mlm product/service. I wonder if one day mlms will have to show how much in sales they made for the year and show how much of it is from the reps buying starter packs and self purchase requirements. That would say i.m.o. that the reps are or aren't the mostly there to be a mlm's best customer.
He gives me “smokin hot wife” creepy youth pastor vibes.
This is really sad especially because I actually do know a guy who would ask you the kind of questions like what do you like about your job because he's sincere and he might even have advice just to better yourself but it's not for a scam, it's because he's that kind of great person period
The first girl would definitely be a reason I would join an MLM. She seems like she could be a good friend. I really like her personality. The upside I know I would be way too "lazy" to sell anything ever. I wouldn't put the effort in.
She irked me. Punchable.
Pathetic right
After the guy talked about how people shower every day, so there's always use for shampoo, I was thinking of how a guy just like him (he looks like a sales rep) would start asking "do you like to shower?" "do you wash your hair?"
This because I have bad memories from the holiday timeshare pitches I've been to.x) They were litterally asking if we like to go on holidays, etc. And when you answer "yes, of course", that's what they'll build the pitch on.
His advice for recruiting reminds me of bosses I have had that tell us how we need to increase our productivity. The big issue is that they don't actually work on the floor so they don't understand the different obstacles that get in the way that make it difficult to obtain high productivity.
Most of the time when I see "trainings" of mlm companies they are mostly fluff & playing business, no actual information. This one however seems oddly threatening. What else would he manipulate to get what he wants?
I've watched a lot of training calls but this one definitely feels the most gross and weird to me!
Excellent job, Hannah. Your commentaries keep getting better
"She"..."my wife"..."my market partner"..."her"...
DOES SHE HAVE A NAME?
I'm 24 min in, and I think she's said maybe ten words...
The Ahab and Jezebel of our time, only Ahab was a limp noodle, and this Jay dude (Ximena's husband) is a snake oil salesman through and through. Why did he marry such a famous person if he's so insecure?
As someone who is really lonely, hearing how he calls someone 7 times acting like a friend and someone that is genuinely interested is so heartbreaking.
This makes me want to walk around the world with my head down never making eye contact with anyone ever again. Cant give them an opening.
I do this every day 😢its kinda sad
I’ve just found your channel & have been binge watching. Up til now I haven’t commented since I’m months behind & figured you wouldn’t see them BUT I had to comment on this one. “Go talk to 7 people a day” Seriously?!?! Who on earth has that kind of time? Who is sleazy enough to fake interest in 7 people a day? And as an introvert I have to say I don’t talk to 7 new people in a year much less a week. These two take the cake for being completely clueless about their downlines struggles & clueless for thinking pretending to form a relationship with someone so they can make more money is somehow “helping” people. I am glad you showed their faces because people need to know to stay away from these two. I now need to take a shower to wash off the grossness of those two. 🤢
What you said at 30:30 Yesss! A Young living hun did this to me! It is honestly horrible you really think they care, but they just want to recruit you 😒
I had a random person come up to me at the grocery store once asking what I do for work and what I went to college for and if I liked my job, at the time I didn't realize what it was about, but after it was over I was thinking about it and for sure he was trying to recruit me into some sort of MLM. It was one of the most awkward conversations in my entire 30 years of life. He tried to ask for my phone number and where I worked, thankfully I gave him no personal info, but it's scary to think some people might...
Ugh, SO CREEPY right??
I just watched this video. The initial ad that appeared was how to best get people for your mlm. Ironic.
And as always, there was no mention on how to actually sell the product. No training, tips or tricks on how to sell them.
Nope! Such a super heavy emphasis on recruiting it's crazy
I loved your bit at the beginning. Honestly after an MLM I have a hard time with any marketing. It makes my skin crawl, but it isn't all bad. I have however seen some anti mlm channels that definitely just brought their mlm training to their TH-cam promotion and it just screams hypocrisy. Thanks for keeping it fun and classy.
"Don't make that decision for people." That's what my upline used to say when I would say that I wasn't going to try to recruit anyone because nobody would be interested. To "stop assuming. You don't know that." They all read from the exact same script.
Wow that’s wild! Not surprising… 😕
How many ppl do you know that is struggling in life so we can really tear them down and take whatever little money they have . This is SICK and they should be ashamed of themselves.
they are pretty disgusting to listen too
Reminds me of when I sold rental contracts on consumer goods. The rental contracts would cost the buyers 3 times the price of the product over its life and it only gave them the same rights they had under law anyway. The worst part was it was targeted at low income people and beneficiaries.
I also just got scammed by an insurance broker. They used all the same tactics
Ok go off mamas, you struck gold!!! Vids like this are so rare considering the increase in anti-mlm TH-camrs. Well done on all accounts :))
Wouldn’t have had this video if someone didn’t send it to me! So thankful!!
When I listen to them talk about “farming” the business and people, all I can think about is that cheesy horror movie, “Hotel Hell”….
Who knew a French impressionist painter from the 1800s would be getting so much airtime in the 2020s….
Ughhhhhhh this one made me furious!!!! 🤬 I absolutely know a Monat rep who went and had photos taken with the Cadillac at the dealership and posted them allllll over social media……but she doesn’t drive it. Doesn’t own it. It was FAKE.
Thank you SO much for saying "duplicable" and not "duplicateable". It makes me CRAZY when the huns say that. IT'S NOT A REAL WORD!
I won’t lie to you…. I said it, and then I stopped filming for a second to look up that I had the correct spelling/pronunciation, and then I continued 😂
@@HannahAlonzo and this is why you are a fabulous teacher 😍
Me, a cashier in a supermarket approached by a MLM lady doing her shopping, the lady asks about my dream job. My answer: I'd like a job where I would not have to talk to people all day, just do my job, take pride in it and go home.
True story. One time I knew she was MLM, because she invited me to one of the introduction meetings. But looking back on the customer encounters through the years I actually there were more like that, which I at the time assumed were just chats (I must have ruined the whole plan for them with my honest introvert response) 😂
Omg Hannah I LOVE your reactions to this video.....priceless
The creepy factor definitely comes from "older man being overly friendly with women they don't even know" because they want something from you. Just feels super slimy and like he even says, you can usually tell who's a salesman. Also, the pervasive ignoring of boundaries after someone has said no multiple times?! Ugh!
Never apologize for having an accent! If my partner made fun of how I speak in front of others I would be hurt. NOT defending WHAT she is saying but HOW she says things.
Completely agree! Never apologize for an accent, I actually think they're super impressive because it means that person knows more than one language which is an incredible skill!
I love listening to different accents. And yes, I’m respectfully impressed they speak more than one language fluently if not perfectly.
I agree that some random person asking how much money I make at my job is weird and inappropriate, however, asking coworkers who do the same job as you is really important. It is a way for corporations to abuse and control the money we make and what we deserve.
Oh wouldn't it be great if these calls were honest. As you said, it would take 30s.
"Hi. Recruit and keep recruiting, otherwise you don't rank, otherwise you don't get money. Gn, recruit."
No filler, no blowing things out of proportion, no fake positivity, no manipulation. But then again, if they were like that 1- no content 2- no one would join anyways
P.s- great video and excited for your next upload!
It was bad enough with the 'farming' analogy but then he added 'hunting' and I would say that is far more apt: corner a sick animal, beat it down, take what you need from it, then leave while it dies.
The one time Hannah is mad enough at an MLM rep that she doesn’t blur their faces and even says they’re not victims.
This video just lit a fire under my butt. Emotional manipulation is the worst in my book. It takes a coldness to be able to perform this. It's good to be driven and check boxes, but if you don't feel icky doing this eventually.....I feel sorry for you. Where are you in 20yrs at retirement)
Hey Hannah, super fan of yours! A thought just came across my head as I was listening. Firstly, I loathe MLM’s just as much As the rest of us here. The point you made at the start of the call, when the trainer said “it’s the end of the month, you have until 11:59pm to hit your goals where your slate is wiped cleaned, and then the rat race starts again.” I work in sales (NOT an MLM, I’ve worked in sales pretty much most of my career, and it’s a reality that it is a rat race to make as many sales, close as many leads etc before the next month comes in. Not saying this is entirely healthy either as I am an advocate for work life balance, but there has been points in my career that I have worked late at end of the month to close as much business as I can. To be clear, I am NOT in an MLM, nor have I been, but I thought it was important to make that point that’s it’s not just inclusive to MLM’s
Lots of love and congrats on your continued growth on your channel :)
I would be very embarrassed as an actress then tell ppl I’m in a MLM .. what ??
It's a couple of things that creep you out. 1. Narcissistic, 2. He is selling - how to manipulate people, 3. Selling shady business practices, and 4. He is an emotional abuser 100%
They are basically say find someone with no money.. SIS how are they even gonna join ?? They have no money. You think they are going to afford 299$ plus you need to buy products every month?? How the hell are they going to afford to even join. I would say umm 🤔 no hun I didn’t have to pay Target in order to get the job & I’m guaranteed a paycheck every week .
That $299 starter kit should be a red flag to ANYONE. Even "lowly" Target retail jobs pay for your training. Plus, they don't expect you to purchase their products.
I recently discovered your channel and have since been binge-watching your videos, and I have to say that I love your content and the way in which you explain everything. You're informative and don't sugarcoat, while also being classy and professional about it at the same time. Also the way you look and carry yourself reminds me of Dr Cameron on House ☺️
Edit: I watched more of this video, and I have to comment on how off-putting and creepy this guy is. The wife too, actually. They're both completely despicable.
Sara you’re so sweet! I am so thankful for your support! ❤️
He’s very good and his advice is very good. The reason we don’t agree is because we are not the targets. He wouldn’t really try us, he’d notice right away that we are not the right target. Just like any other narcissist.