I'm Sorry Warhammer Old World.. I was Wrong...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ต.ค. 2024
- In this episode we admit Warhammer Old World is more successful then we thought it would be...
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I sold my entire AoS army to fund an Old World army. Finally, the fantasy game I wanted to play all along is back!
I love the old world so much. It’s the only game I play and I buy all of every army.
I did the same in 8th edition and they killed it like they will again.
Same here, old world is the only game i play and i have 6 armies fully painted.
Answer your phone! I'm glad that Old World is doing well - selfishly this means that my Beasts of Chaos might actually get played.
Brayherd never dies!
That Warriors of Chaos battalion box is such a great deal I’m tempted out of nowhere to start an army.
Same. Never considered it before but one box and maybe a cool daemon prince and character model and done.
"Old World won't sell"
Well not with that attitude!
😂
Here in Central New York the community is mostly 40K & AoS. I was out of the scene for about 10 years since Warhammer Fantasy got destroyed. When I started coming to my local hobby store there was like 20 people that would come play 40k & AoS. Since that time I’ve noticed that those groups have actually shrunk down exponentially and the Old World group has grown from Two players to about 10 regulars sometimes we get more. I think people just relate to Warhammer Fantasy more than the other games. Our Old World club gains new players every month. The key to building up your hobby group is Consistency, hospitality, and availability. The desire for people is mostly already there. EVERYONE has at one time dreamed of being on a Fantasy battlefield lined up in formations and awaiting the charge of the enemy ranks. We grew up with these movies, LoTR, Kingdom of Heaven, Willow, Excalibur, and so many others. There’s just something about Old World that resonates with people. Not only the setting but in my honest opinion looks better on the table than 40K & AoS to outside parties who are just stopping in the hobby store and dont play miniaturewar games. It’s been quite a ride. Glad you guys are doing well..
Glad to see people getting to play the games they want
I finally got an army ready and enjoyed my first tournament last weekend. I miss having magic being more resource constrained but I like the army list variants, the new combat results like fall back in good order and give ground, and having mercenaries back. The tourney organizer did a great job adding secondary objectives to the tournament which gave me something to achieve when I was outmatched, such as I was in the second game when I faced a WoC army with 3 dragons.
Amazing!
Oh…I’ve enjoyed the increased base sizes. The Orcs were two big for the old size.
Very true
Its pulling in Warhammer Total War players too. Ive spoken to a bunch of people new to wargaming for whom, TOW was their segue
Old world is my favorite full-scale wargame now. I actually prefer Fantasy rank and flank wargames now. I still love Mordheim and Necromunda though.
Rank n Flank is where it's at for real. From Hobgoblin to TOW and Warhammer fantasy fan project games
@magimon91834 It just feels so intuitive, and free flowing despite being such a simple concept for a wargame.
Play Frostgrave and Stargrave over Mordheim and Necromunda, so much better games, give them a go!
@kivati I heard they're good, but Mordheim and Necromunda are already so niche I am just glad to get any players. Besides I love my games.
28 minute shout out. Old World surprised everyone.
Woot woot
Old World is the only thing I am buying from GW now, the Battalion boxes are honestly great value for what you get.
I can't remember the last time I have been excited for any GW product, and Old World has kicked off love for playing Mordheim locally.
Edit. And to your point on the old kits, forgot how much fun these old kits are to build. I didn't look at or need the instructions for anything besides the chariots in my new Warriors of Chaos army since a lot of these old kits aren't drowning in details or individual parts.
"the Battalion boxes are honestly great value for what you get"
I don't understand what you mean. Other than the Chaos Battalion, the rest are selling you old tat for still premium prices. What possibly makes you think selling you models from 1999 is somehow acceptable at these prices?
This is why the game was dead on arrival. I see Old World stuff on extreme discount now all the time. They priced the stuff too high, and no one can afford it.
@@scepteredisle $157.25 from my local retailer for the Warriors of Chaos Battalion box comes out to $3.57 USD per mini, and it gives you almost an entire 2,000 points army.
The Orcs & Goblins one for that same price comes out to $2.15 per mini.
The Dwarf one comes to $2.38 per mini at that same price.
Saying that they are selling these for premium prices is an incredible stretch by you, if not an absolutely false statement. Even at full MSRP the boxes of 10 cavalry are coming out to $6.25 per mini, and the boxes of 32 infantry coming out to $2.65 per mini.
Show me where else in the GW catalog you can get that value, show me where in the hobby besides historicals you can get that many honestly decent (for the average painter) minis or make an army that cheap besides maybe Relic Blade or other micro skirmish games? Corvus Belli and other companies are charging $10-18 per miniature in their bundles and you say that Old World stuff is overpriced? Sure.
@@scepteredislethe bret box is per model cheaper than what the amount would be to buy in 1999. You're getting a full army for pretty cheap
@@johnb.2107 $3.57 USD per mini for ancient sculpts that are readily available in peoples attics and bulk army deals on ebay is not really a price to boast about. In this economy $157 for an army that you still will probably add more minis to, have to paint, assemble and buy new rulebooks for is kinda pushing the envelope for some. It's definitely put me off and I'd rather buy a box of frostgrave barbarians $1.45 USD per mini for the bulk warriors and 3d print the rest.
@@scepteredisle In Pts/$, TOW is at least two times more valuable than every single 40K and AoS army (even Custodes and Grey Knights for 40K which are typically seen as valuable buys). Initial buy in may seem more because there isn't a Kill Team/War Cry/Spearhead/Combat Patrol game attached to TOW, but it quickly becomes a cheaper game for any size beyond those small skirmish games (and a Battalion is barely more than that and you get so much more).
Its all i have bought in the last year. I’m loving the old world. 😂
I am glad to hear that you are seeing steady sales. As a new collector of Empire miniatures, I am quite excited for the next release! I think the slow release schedule might be an advantage after all, because as you mentioned it means you can pick some stuff up and then go away for a bit and prep your army while waiting for the next release.
Awesome!
Been having a blast with the game. We just finished a 24 person league (8 round) and a 12 person tournament. Another one coming up in December.
No apologies needed. You have to think of the business first. Luckily, us TOW nutjobs have been finding converts/disciples fairly regularly.
It’s important we admit when we are wrong. I had faith all along though.
The wrongest man in wrongtown
Yay. Old world video!
Confusingly these videos are good averts for coffee.
12:36 props on the sound effects budget this month
Whole budget gone!
J on his WoC army: "It's gonna be a rubbish army, but that's fine".... Honestly the community needs a lot more of this sentiment!
@@Benjam311 gimme my triple dragon!!!! 😂
I play skaven in the old world,
And personally I don’t care it is the worst army in the game, still love playing them and occasionally a genius idea springs into mind allowing me to take-steal a victory 😂
@@skreechverminking2227Skaven players unite!
I just wish the pdf had even a tiny touch of the flavour of the faction in it.
When I say that we got screwed im not just talking about the power of the army, Skaven lost so much of what makes Skaven.
@@That_Rat_Bastrd I loathe the skaven, but it's that kind of loathing like, "hello, my greatest adversary." I loved to face off against, and I loved to hate those rats. In 6th edition, it was such a great army book. I'd get rolled, I'd roll them, they'd roll themselves. lol, a good time was always had. If I was half-assing together a pdf for the Skaven today, what is the one thing I would get right? "So, skaven will shoot warpfire into combat, incinerate their own in hopes to get at the filthy man-things, right?" "Duh, it would it even be skaven, otherwise?" Breaks my heart. This missing ingredient kills the flavor.
@@AP-hv9ll this man knows his enemy!
Spot on.
That was a beautiful letter.
I am currently building an orc and goblin old world army, albeit with 3D printed models. I’d honestly like to see TOW just stay where it’s at, a steady fan base, an occasional faq and that’s it. I’d really it rather not have a tournament scene, but that’s inevitable.
My O&G army is just made using models I like, it will probably suck if I play against anyone with competitive list but who cares? I like the look of two armies across the field of battle from one another, ranked up, banners waving, a bit of humor tossed in and possibly a drink or two.
It seems like GW have approached it the same way as Horus Heresy 2.0 which is good. Keep it narrative and slow grow the range. Will always be more niche but is a complete game at launch, I prefer that over waiting 2 years for your army book to find out the next edition comes out the week after and everything moves on again.
Locally, in Indianapolis, Indiana, we have a strong community and decent tournament scene. There have been a lot of small to mid-size tournaments all over the midwest. But honestly, and I've never been a tournament guy myself, I've had a great time and enjoyed meeting new people through them. As a family man, tournaments provide me a painting goal and a chance to book off a full game day once a quarter ahead of time that works around my family. We don't take things super seriously. Now there is an escalation league and we are running beginner game nights to bring people into the hobby in our local store. Tournaments are what you make of them I think.
30k and old world have taken gw by surprise. They have committed communities who supported them to grow when gw binned them off or showed little care
GW execs are morons
I converted so many AOS minis to TOW...I'm happy now :)
Sweeeeet
I absolutely love Old world. 4th ed AoS is hard for me to want to jump into after playing aos from 0.0-3rd ed
I'm not experienced, but I've heard in the past that it was sometimes difficult to rank up troops. The increased base size might make this easier.
@@andrewcook3983 It 100% does, I am building my Warriors of Chaos and I have had zero issues with ranking up minis.
@@johnb.2107 Is that using the old bases (I think 20mm) or the new (25mm)?
Some kits were worse than others.
Some player had to put numbers on the underside of their basses to indicate the position in the regimental base, as they could only all fit together one way.
For me with thinner humanoids l prefer the old bases because they look like skirmishes. Personal opinion only.
I love 40k and AoS but Old World is all I want to play at the moment. So much better than either of the others IMO.
Glad you are enjoying it
I dip my toe im other GW games but ive spent far more on old world and will continue to do so because i love the setting and the game. Id rather buy build and paint an entire new Old World army then spend my money on other GW games I dont like as much. i have 3 armies all around 5K points or more and will probably be starting 4th army with the chaos or chaos dwarfs or both .
Jay's dream is a publicity funded Other Side store confirmed.
He can't stop dreaming about it
In the UK here, there was always small groups around the country here that played 8th edition (or 6th) and kept thier armies. Old world was a surprise for me, i thought it would die off fast but actually there is a large group in my city who are avidly playing, and i have no doubt the same around the country due to how many events are happening. Interesting how popular its become as i thought AoS was the one.
A lot of people are coming over from 10th ed. 40K
'A lot' may be a bit hyperbolic, but i get your point.
At the end of the day, GW doesn't care what GW products you buy lol
@@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905 Point taken, I should have said "a lot in my local scene" 🙂 Feels like 10th ed. is leaving some of them a bit cold and they're having more fun with TOW. But that's just my experience.
The intro was missing two mummed guys holding crossbows and an Old World banner in the background! 😁
most of my purchases for the old world are using more modern models from aos range like warriors of chaos, Knights and the new wolf rider models for orcs and goblins, the newer models are amazing, time consuming to paint but amazing.
Fantastic!
Same here; I’ve got a few old models for characters and the like, but making a “modern” take on my dream childhood WoC army has been so fun! With a little work the modern Warriors and Marauders rank up really nicely too
Being a guy trying to get a store to hold conquest I get what you're saying. He has just a small amount tucked away in a corner and when I finally get a guy into the game I have to shamefully show him the small corner of like 4 kits and when they ask if there is more, I just give them my discount code and tell them to shop online. Told the guy if he just kept some start collecting boxes on shelf they'd sell better.
20 minute shout out!
I don't know if that apology was sincere enough... needed more tears, bowing, maybe ripping his shirt??
@@derekgehring2771 please! It’s about the old world! I’ll accept nothing less than a full flagellant costume, complete with flail hitting the reprobate’s back! 😂
I do have some work to do on making my apologies more convincing
Seems crazy not to watch til the end at this point. Gotta make sure there's coffee in those cups. Happy one year or so!
Bless
Very cool to hear that ToW is doing well for your guy’s store. I’m curious to hear your take on Emberguarf for underworlds and maybe a follow up after it comes out about if it revitalized the game in your shop after that video before about „ what happened to underworlds?“
Yeah this would be a great topic to cover!
I know there's a vested self interest in reassessing. Still, good on you guys putting the wants and direction of your clientele above a need to be right. Also, I appreciate your approach to stocking- support a range or not, but commit for the sake of all interested parties.
Thanks mate
I hope we get an apology for saying Underworlds is dead when the new box sells out too
In my defense, warhammer community had not said anything about the game for almost 6 months!
@@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905 Haha I know, even within the community itself we all thought it was dying since they haven't even released the two expansions for Wintermaw... then jumped right into a new edition! But any chance to win some internet points I'll take :D
TOW is a ghost town where I live.
Mogwaiman damage control activate 😂
@@FluteGnome it's not damage control dumbass. I don't hate the game, I have an army for it.
@@FluteGnome what damage control? I don't hate the game. I have an army for it.
I'm having trouble finding players too, I'll play any Fantasy rule set TBH
Ye areth forgiventh!
And yes, I’ve spent h something more than 1K pounds on tOW stuff, of which I had a number of kits already…
I might have spent almost that on bases and movement trays. All of my DoW who ended up sitting in a box or in many cases with lasguns and round bases are back ranked up as they should be.
I don’t want to even think about how much I’ve spent on TOW this year I’m basically collecting every army 😂😂
Good to hear it is happening somewhere. We've been pretty flatlined in our local Houston area. It's done as well as Kill Team has done for us, which is to say not much. Of our initial stock we got in we still probably have about 3/4th of it (coming to a clearance rack near you!)😉 The Battalion boxes move well for us but that's been about it. Counter to that we've been doing pretty well with Legions Imperialis, so you just never know how the local communities will adopt a game or not. Which is what makes ordering for our business a difficult thing most of the time. I liken it to hanging upside down and trying to shoot a bullseye at 300 yards. 🤣
trying to get the numbers right is basically.. impossible
The number of people paying 2024 prices for 1990s sculpts is truly baffling.
They aren't really 2024 prices though to be fair to GW.
Most of the kits are roughly what they cost in 2015 when the game went away. There are some exceptions, but that breaks both ways as well (some higher and some lower).
Not bad considering how much everything else went up in that time.
@@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905 I feel like the prices are ok in the battalion boxes but woe is you if you need something outside of it. I used to play Bretonnia and 50 euro bucks for 3 Grail Knights is wild. 65 for a Trebuchet. 34 for the Green Knight. I mean, sure, my Nighthaunt are even more expensive, but that doesn't make it ok.
But I will yield, 2024 prices is an exaggeration. It is 2020 prices for 1990s models.
Where is the plate of crow? I wanna SEE it!!!
That's a tad vindictive...lmao
For a while now, I've been picking up second-hand Warhammer Fantasy books from my LGS's or Hastings-derivatives. I always thought that Fantasy captured the feeling of a battle more than any other GW game, but friendly play groups throughout the years had dictated that I focus on 40k or AoS more. I was so-so on The Old World coming back until I realized how accessible Tomb Kings were going to be for me, and they were always one of my favorites. At that point, I couldnt stop myself from taking the plunge. One $300 box later and I had up to 2k points EASILY. Having the time of my life building with simpler sprues and putting together movement trays for my skelly bois.
Normally I wouldn't accept your apology but I can tell you wrote it in cursive so just this once...
Totally fair!
Lol I've never clicked on a video quicker! :D
Lmao
Dear Groveling Scribes of the Lords of War Games and Hobbies
We, the noble custodians of the Old World, acknowledge receipt of your most recent apology, transmitted via the appropriate channels (including but not limited to smoke signals, carrier pigeons, and an email marked "URGENT"). After a brief council of elders, who were briefly distracted by a riveting game of lawn chess, we have officially accepted your apology. However, our terms for full absolution, as you surely expected, come with certain non-negotiable conditions.
In our infinite wisdom and magnanimity, we hereby decree that in order to fully restore your standing in the eyes of the Old World, you must:
Perform seppuku-a minimum of one real disembowelment, or a convincing theatrical alternative, is required.
Host a sacrificial fire in our honour-burn obsolete gadgets and regrettable fashion choices. S’mores optional.
Failure to comply may result in severe consequences, including the reinstatement of dial-up internet.
With dignified regards,
The Forgiving Fans of the Old World - Keepers of Tradition and Mild Overreaction
Lol
I'm an old Tomb Kings player who quit in 2006 and I have a 3000+ army that is entirely usable again, this still did not stop me from buying the Tomb Kings army box and about $300+ more minis. And the only 3d printed stuff I have bought is 9 Ushbati and a Casket of Souls because I liked the look of them more than the GW minis.
We're going to need a War of the Ring video now lads
Ohhhh boy
Would be interested to know how many OW fans are new to the game or are people coming back from WFB days? Good to hear it's selling well enough over time to probably be supported longer term. It's my fave GW universe so glad it's around. Great fun exploring the world before WFB as well. Feels new again. Now the only thing they need to re-release is WHQ95!!! We saw how popular the HQ reinvention with Avalon Hill has been so I reckon GW will want some of that nostalgia money with WHQ.
Yeah, my group plays a niche historical which the local LGS' don't stock, and the expectation is that we pay for the venue the 1-2 times a year when we pack the places out. Easier to organize than a rec-centre and we do get a few people who come round and have a look, even if most of them have no interest it's still good to get the system out there.
20 minutes yo, apology accepted
I think Old World will be around for a while now but I’ll admit there is a huge barrier to entry for new players with the cost, time required to build and paint an army etc etc, the fans it already has though are pretty dedicated.
Same 'old' problems the previous game had. But I think that's okay, like you said. Small dedicated bunch that will grow slowly over time.
Also GW isn't investing a ton of resources into it so they don't need a huge return either.
Another reason for increassing base sizes is that it allows GW to make more dynamic models in the future. Which is great. Can't wait for the High Elves.
Counter point, because it's been out of print for so long, there's so many good 3d prints available for the old world. And rather than waiting for my army to be released I bought a 3d printer and made it.
Hopefully you picked up the books and some cards or dice to support the game coming back at least!
Cheers
Its worth playing. Battles 'moving' is really interesting.
The only thing holding me back from fully committing is the weakness as you said... the matched/competitive play.
I’m sitting here building and painting old Empire models that I’ve had since 2000, I think. Bought the new Tomb Kings box set. Made the mistake of picking up a bunch of Dwarfs from the AoS line... think they would have been cheaper after the reboxing. Warhammer Fantasy was my first love for tabletop, and The Old World is currently consuming 100% of my hobby budget, dollars and time. There’s plenty of stuff I still need to buy... Orc Boss on Wyvern, Anvil, several new gyrocopters, the wagons. The game is doing pretty well here, one Saturday tournament a month and open gaming every Friday evening. The Old World is an interesting game... probably would benefit from some rules and points tweaks just to calm down some of the more op units.
When I play a game at the LGS I always feel bad if I don‘t buy something. I usually end up getting paints and brushes rather than models. I have quite the collection of paints! 😅
Bless your soul
People just like the Old World, most people just got into it by playing the Total war games, I'll never purchase anything Age of sigmar
I… can’t say the same thing.
I’ve bought a lot from als to use in the old world.
Yet also have bought stuff from the old world to be used
Never? Seems like an emotional decision not a logical one. There are great minis form the AoS range to use in old world!
Cheers
Perhaps the orc player has bought trolls and squigs which have probably been sold as AOS
I think you'll see much more sales with high elves and especially Empire when they'll get out in 2025.
Basically, the game was treated like a "normal new game" : just two factions at the start, then one faction gradually - new players come in when the faction they want to play is available. Talking about official miniatures here.
As for the printed armies, I feel like there's also the question of value. Printed armies have basically zero values on the miniature market, they're more suited to people who love having their unique army. And it's still easier to buy physical miniatures than printing your own in your house.
Ive been wondering how much crossover there has been between AoS sales and Old World Sales. I bet there is some (probably not a crazy amount) since most of the legacy armies are AoS models only right now
Our LGS here has sold very little Old World... they've already put it on Clearance last time I was in there
Ooof
@@annihilationtextofficialca8941 Same here. A lot of Bretonnia and Tomb Kings, while some of the O&G had to go on clearance. More than one store too.
I really want one of the "new" boxes - but I want to use them as dudes for Mordheim. So maybe the current boxes are a tad large for that? I'll probably buy one anyway. Cheers!
Gw need to support the game more enthusiastically...we do not need more marines or stormcast
They will invest into the game according to the return it is bringing them. They are a business like any other.
Remember more investment also requires more return- which is how the first game got canceled.
To me the most telling thing is the sheer number of rule mechanics and painting content creators and I believe way more lore content creators are coming.
War of the ring. Im still sad
Yea was a rare beauty of a game
You need to upload this to apple pod casts.
There is no financial incentive to do so. If it's something our patreons start asking for then we will consider it.
Thanks for listening!
Lot of monsters is bad? Awwww…my favourite game so far is one with a giant, 5 ogres & 18 trolls :) (Troll calla & an orc Warboss on wyvern were my only greenskins :) )
So that's the question then, how do you maintain that early game phase and avoid the "solved meta" phase?
Obviously the best way is if your player base chooses to "keep it casual", but I remember tournament rules from 5th edition 40K where they put extra restrictions into army design?
Inn any game, 40k, age of sigmar, old world, etc, you can encourage a singleton format. I appreciated that about bolt action years ago, a lot of the army lists involved a lot of 0-1 of most of the unit types.
Obviously you have limited time and space in the shop, and it's great if your community gathers amongst themselves to play and doesn't rely on your tables to do so, but at the same time it does help reveal to new players that the existing community is into the game if you can schedule table time on your public calendar. IE "Friday night magic" so anyone looking into it knows when and where they can bring their old world army and meet up with other players.
Great ideas
I am just finishing painting old gw metal miniatures... so I am part of the oldhammer movement. Not because I choose it, more because I paint sooo slow...
My local is still sitting on a load of tomb king boxes, i guess it depends what army is for sale...
I love the idea of TK but man some of those minis are looking rough like the skeleton horses.
The Dwarf players are more loyal than I am!
Manlings... I am a Planeswalker now. Would you like to tap my mountain?
There's no Old World to me until they release Cathay. The 20+ year old models just don't hold up to GW's current range.
I don't know if i'm down to trying to salvage my ancient armies.
There are loads of AoS models you can use, I'm having a great time with night goblins, trolls, lizardmen and chaos warriors using AoS kits. Also I agree bring on Cathay!
You can just say you don’t plan on ever playing old world if you’re waiting for Cathay 😂
@@dominicmetzger3246 that's far less interesting though 🤣
If they did the old armies in new minis, like I'd love a modern take on White Lions, that would be compelling too. It's just that Cathay was the first thing they showed like half a decade ago now or something.
I thought Warhammer Fantasy people hated Warhammer and GW after the end times; I don't get who's supposed to buy this. I want it to succeed, but I cannot sell Old World anything to save my life. Like, I can't lie to people and say it has an active community 😂😂
22:07 minute shout out Chris and Jay.
I dusted off my old greenskin army and it didn't need much but I've been waiting since the 90s to finish a high elf one. I'll probably never play a game of it again but I couldn't afford to finish the armies I wanted back in the day. GW is getting my nostalgia dollars now. Never spent a dime on AoS.
Is there a reason game stores don't do table rental fees? It seems like that would be the most straightforward way to solve awkwardness around people wanting to play a game but who don't necessarily need to buy something. It would take a lot of the ambiguity out of that interaction.
edit- Some amount of the fee could be redeemable for store credit to incentivize sales
Is this a American thing. In the UK you just pay a monthly fee for cheap.
The ambiguity in my experience is only there in cases where the player doesn't regularly support the store (buys stuff elsewhere, 3d prints etc).
The people running the shop know their customers and if you buy your stuff there they know - there's no ambiguity.
If you want to play somewhere that you aren't supporting financially, have a conversation with the people running the shop, be honest, and try and work something out. At the end of the day, whatever they decide will be understandable because it is a business, and you will feel better because you were upfront with your intentions.
@@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905 That is so much more nonsense than just charging a table fee.
20 minute club and don’t even play OW
Let's gooo
I was so annoyed when you lowkey poopooed the old world project with Ash, because I was deathly afraid that you would be right, and to me you sounded a little flippant and nonchalant about something that means so much to many of us, but I’m so happy we were all wrong. TOW is really doing well (here at least), and I’m having so much fun with it.
I understand how you felt, because i also felt that way (even if it didn't come across).
I have been a fan of Warhammer Fantasy for almost 30 years and bringing it back meant a lot to me as well. I was skeptical because I thought GW was setting it up for failure, and it wasn't new models etc like i wanted.
I was wrong because the lack of investment is the very thing that will keep it around, there's not as much pressure for it to do amazing.
In my local area, Old World interest and gamers far out number the new AoS. I’m buy AoS models for vampire counts. This with no guarantee that they’ll be up dated moving forward
The Old World is just a solid damn game.
Its clearly 1st edition, so a few kinks to iron out and balancing to do. But it just came out great.
Just compare it to the broken mess of 10th ed 40K at launch and the constant patches needed at first.
I play wood elves so not much to buy from stores/gw right now. So I personaly wont add to the shopping/£ yet.
they definitely lead with the duds, the Bret box was solid but the TK and especially the OnG boxes were so disappointing, who wants 40 of those old ass 5th ed skeles or goblins, no wonder tOW started slowly
It had more to do with grumpy people getting over it and buying in again.
Yeah I’m still painting skellies….. Can’t wait for High Elves though
20 Min Shout Out!
What what
Man... I really hope we'll need an apology video after a few months of the release of the new LOTR stuff
Lol fair
Like i always say I don't want to be right about my predictions, I really like these games.
As a fan of Orc, Goblins, Ogres and Trolls, the Old World models for them just don’t look that great. If they get a refresh I’ll end up going for them, but my AoS models fulfill that fix.
Dwarfs… I already have like 200 I bought when fantasy was dead, but the models I don’t have look too good to pass up. Giving my local game store money for them Irondrakes.
My wallet is gonna be even more upset when Empire drops.
Empire and high elves are going to be big
I am watching at 20 minutes!
Shout out!
Have you guys had new customers to wargaming, confused at all between Old World & AOS Due to similar aesthetic?
new customers only know space marines.. so its not an issue :D
You guys should do a video on “shrinkage.” Shop lifting has become a common reason for me to not be able to pick up models at my lgs even though they appear on their website. I also think they don’t stock kits due to this problem, making army building a bit of a challenge.
I said it before it came out, I said it when it came out, and I said it today..
Warhammer Old World is OUTSELLING AoS, and will CONTINUE to do so. Its a BETTER game. Period
No it isn't, TOW players buy AoS boxed content. "Better" is also purely subjective.
@@mogwaiman6048AOS players bought reboxed WHFB kits for years and still do.
@@mogwaiman6048 You can have 7 models on the table and its called a "Fantasy Army".. You can be double turned off the table without ever touching a model..
For rank and flank Fantasy players, AoS is an abomination.
1st edition wasnt even a game, 2nd and 3rd were objectively awful and not very popular.
4th Edition is the first one that MIGHT have a chance at success.. but in Louisville KY/Southern Indiana area. there's a MUCH larger Old World fanbase than there is an AoS fanbase. Much Larger.. like 5 to 1 at least.
And yes it is. Just because I buy AoS Boxed Dwarven Hammerers doesnt mean Im buying them for AOS. Its what hits the table that matters. Or are you going to try and say that because the Space Nam figures look better than the current Catachan models for 40k... Space Nam is now somehow competing with 40k? Cmon dude. Your argument is weak, a strawman, and doesnt holdup to any form of scrutiny.
Now I KNOW how you AoS fanbois get. So I am not about to try change any minds. I just know all the local shops in my area, and my travel for tournament play and AOS aint it. *waves*
You guys need to up your youtube apology game, you should be sat on the floor with crocodile tears, stroking a dog and going on about how tough everything is. Bonus points for mentioning mental health, then no one can argue with you.
But in all seriousness, I think that it was perfectly fair to be skeptical about old world, especially given that the game has already been killed off once, I do think that might actually be a factor in it's success, it's already gone away once and people are afraid of that. I also think that 3d printer people are a very loud (and irritating) minority, I do want to get into it myself, but I probably won't be printing whole armies, just bits and the odd model here or there. The effect of 3d printing on the industry (at least atm) is very overblown.
So what are you doing as a store to promote the growth?
Have you built terrain for the store for it?
We have a ton of terrain for Old World. We used to run Warhammer Fantasy Battles events as a club before we opened a store.
We run leagues which takes the organizing games portion away for customers and allows them to meet people and start forming their own gaming relationships.
And we starting stocking the whole range (that we are able to).
Any other suggestions?
I really want to get into old world but none of the factions interest me at all. Tomb Kings look cool but I'm not selling a kidney for them!
Beastmen I'd collect but they arent coming for a year most likely.
Lizardmen are my fav faction by miles, vamps and ogres are cool aswell but they arent getting anything other then a fucking PDF...
GW is so fucking annoying!!!
Got here in 5 minutes 😂
War of the Ring was amazing! So many Nazgûl!
Apology accepted
20 minutes gang
Represent!