Many thanks for this, Tim. Likewise Andy's and your's are two of our favourite channels. No flash, no show, just deep passion and sincerity. To pick up on a few of your points... 1. Lots of bitty runs in the week - guilty as charged. Between Monday and Thursday I spend at least three hours in a car commuting to and between workplaces. Sometimes more if a particular meeting gets moved online. So a lot of these 20 / 30 minute daytime runs occur because they are a better option than sitting in the car at lunchtime letting the glutes and hips become further deactivated. Similarly, Dawn and I cannot do chunky runs in the day in the working week having set work patterns, and after long days in schools the evening isn't often conducive either. I think we both showed what would be possible when we each did double threshold days - me in the holidays, her on a day off work. But unfortunately we both know we don't have those blocks of time to train optimally. 2. So yes this is not optimal for the marathon - in fact going back to when I met you and was at my `best', the marathon was never my thing - a 33:31 10K and 73:40 Half Marathon `should' have got me somewhere around a 2:37/8 marathon but as you said the pb is 2:42. Alternatively, you could say I excelled (relatively) at 10k to Half Marathon. 3. So we get to the stage at age 54, why continue to strain to achieve at something for which my physiology has never been optimally suited, as opposed to doing what I really enjoy? Well one answer is the inspirational 2:59 of a certain 56-year-old TH-camr the other year 🙂. So yes I have unfinished business but know that my `marathon pace' on training runs does not match up to anything that would satisfy me, even if I could get my body round them. To use a car analogy, the engine is ok and can be upgraded but the bodywork....(well sucks lips and shakes head). 4. Drawing inspiration from TH-cam - I'm glad my modest recent successes have fired you in some way. As I've said your 2:59 was one of the best and most relatable performances on this platform. Similarly Andy working hard and stacking those training blocks to go past all my old pbs. It reminds us that you can't beat consistent hard work. 5. Both Dawn and I know we don't train optimally for big goals. Having both run competitively for 25 years, we would rather do, say 25 races per year and perform at 7 to 8 out of 10 at most of them, rather than 4 times per year and possibly do 9s or 10s. We love the running culture, being at races around the country, getting to know people in person and via our TH-cam profile and seeing how different races are organised and put together. So, as we say over here, we shall keep on keeping on in a similar vein as long as our bodies allow.
Thanks John - might take my prize for the longest, most detailed comment on one of my vids. I think a lot of what you said I either knew or had inferred. I certainly agree that do the things you most enjoy and, at least for now while still working, we need to fit training around "life". It is also largely why I tried to do an indoor track season last winter and maybe would like to again if I can sort myself out. I am a good illustration of don't do what I do and not been able to race now for almost 6 months and would struggle to run even 5K at that 2:59:52 pace my last year self did when, at least in comparison, I was much less niggle free. In a similar way I could say my 1:55/3:55 800/1500 point to that I should/could have broken 15 for 5K, 32 for 10K, 2:30 for marathon etc etc but at least I felt I did more or less as well as I could at the events I was most interested in and indeed trained for. Maybe we will have another go at the marathon when the motivation is back. After all am thinking my club "needs" some M60 target times in some events. I have posted "decent for me" ones at M55 and anything now better is going to be a lot of hard work and some tips from you on S&C type stuff for sure!
Thanks Tim, really appreciate this 🙏 let’s hope the weather makes a miraculous change over night 😂 I think what you said with training towards the end is key… your background is definitely important and I think in marathons where it hasn’t gone right for me, it’s the ones where I’ve focused on less mileage… as someone who played football as a winger for 9 years before running I always relied on my speed… so developing more speed during a marathon block always used to be the focus. This time, I prioritised mileage and tried to hit some bigger weeks and I think that’s the magic sauce.. it’s about doing the opposite to what you’re good at, in a way? I’ve got the speed, so build resilience with more longer runs. Either way, whatever the weather does tomorrow, I’m hopeful it sets me up nicely for a good winter! Also - I’m a big fan of John and Dawns channel, they both have a similar “work hard” ethic which resonates with me, was fortunate to have a quick chat with them in Cardiff this year, they were both lovely
It's funny you mention the part about "doing the opposite to what you're good at." I absolutely agree. It can be a delicate balance, because I tend to be motivated to go and do the things I am good at knowing that the things I really need to work on are more of a grind. But in the end, pushing to the uncomfortable might be exactly what some of us crave 🤣 Philly Bowden might have the best tag line in the business "love the grind" Great Video Tim, love the analysis.
@@TheFODRunner good luck again mate. I was going to run in the Great South Run tomorrow but it’s been cancelled due to the weather. Hope the same fate doesn’t befall Abingdon!!
Yes fingers crossed for you. I rained a fair bit in my debut in London 2004 but it sort of helped - no chance of overheating for sure. As you may have picked up, I came into marathons largely straight from the tail end of my "serious" 800/1500 days and in the previous summer I then felt "slow" doing 2:01 for 800 seemingly every race. Of course if you go from being able to run sub 4 pace for a bit to a rough 6:00 MP I certainly had "enough speed". As such one of the first things I did in autumn 2003 was to do a 30 mile/4 hour run just because I did not want to be "frightended" of the marathon distance nor have an aim of doing a marathon race to merely tick off my longest ever. I then did lots more runs around 3 hours and plenty of MP runs say around 10-13 miles and some mile reps with short reps at HMP. I felt it helped me in my first 2004 and my PB the year after to "last the course" and in the main I overtook nearly everybody in the second half despite a few mins positive split. Of course my background is "unusual" but it does actually seem to have parallels to you and the 5K and 10K times you are doing now are quite similar to what I did back then. Think my best was a 15:59 track 5000 and a 33:05 10K which I won. My actual PBs were a bit quicker 15:26/32:17 but by the time of my marathon debut I was really about 10 years on from mid to late 20s "true" peak. I did however find the marathon gave me a nice lease of life and I started doing times at distances 5K and above had not done in 10 years and then i just carried on.
Another great video Tim. You’ve moved from the pre-Grand National tipster to the MOTD pundit. Superb analysis. I’m often amazed that some TH-camrs spend so much time/money travelling all over & enter so many races. Provides great info for the rest of us but wonder if it could disrupt their own performance by running injured/over-tired.
Thanks! On your "so many races" point I think we saw a few cases of just that today. On the flip side, Andy did well in his marathon but, as feared, the weather at Abingdon was not conducive to a PB.
@@BenNotley your turn is coming but there are some now I cannot mention at all. Besides on recent trips to Shere been thinking what a hero - he can really run up these “mountains”. I am missing towpaths.
Great analysis, Tim. As it stands, my Marathon PB is still quicker than Andy but pretty likely that will change tomorrow. Also I don't think I could have gotten anywhere near 16:05 at the time. Like you said, weight and body type plays a big part there. I'm naturally most suited to the longer stuff I think. Glad to say that also corresponds with what I most enjoy doing training and racing wise!
Yeah I often say the longer it got, the worse I got but I did mitigate that a fair bit by just being more specific and simplistically for my marathon training, just ran an awful lot more mileage than say I did for 800/1500. However when younger I could hit sessions a lort harder and more often so in that sense only doing 30 mpw "at best" (it was often more like 20) I sort of got away with. In hindsight I should have ran more and certainly in the winter. One of my running friends who was a sub 4 miler and now one of the best in my M55 age group on the the track used to do 100 mpw some weeks in his prime. On the other hand he had the talent and background endurance to do so.
Andy is a much improved since I started watching him a few years ago. He should have been down well below 2:40 by now but fuelling during the race had been a problem for a while - hopefully weather permitting he can finally get his goal time, which he says is actually between 2:36 and 2:38 (the new London Marathon champs time). Re John, I think you’re right about his training probably not being optimal for the marathon. However, I can understand it if he prefers 5ks and 10ks - I also think I prefer races from 1500 to 5000 with some 10ks during the spring and summer. I’m only doing London Marathon in April to finally break the 2:40 barrier (yeah challenging at my age) before I probably retire from that distance.
Yes agreed about Andy. I think another factor is that he has not yet been able to come to a "major" with the form and largely issue free build up he has shown this time. It surely has to be a just a bit "easier" in a race like Chicago or Berlin or London over a small rural race like Abingdon but fingers crossed he can show his form tomorrow whatever. I tend to find I can do well at 5K/10K whilst training for a marathon but far less the other way round. Might be interesting to analyse the training of a true elite 5K/10K runner who does not do marathons (well at least not yet) - say like a Jack Rowe or even Eilish McColgan to see how it differs in principles to us more "jack of all trades" type runners at times. I might join you for a few strides or, at best, some short intervals at sub 2:40 pace these days. Make the most of that form while you can for sure.
Ha ha but maybe that would bring me to a level I sometimes am puzzled about the motivations of others. In the main I feel I do this as I like seeing what others do and if I personally can learn anything and hopefully others can as well. I also don't have any formal coaching qualifications. All I can point to is 40+ years of being a competitive runner at a reasonable, but far from elite, level plus my academic maths & IT type analytical background and things like Power of 10 and runbritainrankings.com where I help to essential record everybody's performances at all levels of ability.
Loved this series (I am a data geek tho 🤓) As someone fairly new to following TH-cam running channels I have started to subscribe to some of the channels you have analysed. So it seems odd that someone does not want to be focused on! The two you feature here have fantastic channels and are both very inspiring!
Yeah clearly not everybody is like us or the channels/creators/runners featured here. If they were I may have more subs but that is not my main motivation although of course it is nice if you do something like this and it is well received.
Cracking video again. The comment around 27 mins about not being able to mention other TH-camrs was intriguing and disappointing as your films are always well thought through and balanced.
Yeah it seems that not everybody likes me to have a detailed look at what they do. I never intend to be "cruel" but equally not a lot of point not being say "objective". Of course, I will honour the wishes of those who do not want me to cover them. Maybe I won't bother watching them any more either as for me this space is about full engagement not being selective thereof.
Indeed some folks are sensitive about being scrutinised in public. I’m more than happy for Tim to analyse my training, or lack of and give his opinions for discussion. After all, that’s “social” media 🤩
@PoetWithPace thanks and was very interesting to do so for you for Chicago and well done for qualifying for the world masters champs in New York next year. Need to think of anybody worth covering for this year’s imminent edition. Might be the slowest marathon major but perhaps arguably the one to do above all others ?
Indeed! There is a factor that in life one tends to be attracted as friends to like minded persons and the two channels/creators featured here are certainly that.
Ah has it, not surprised. I did 2:38 and something on my debut back in 2004 and managed to get a champs place based on a 1:56 20 mile race I had done - don't ask, don't get I thought. I also felt I easily justified my place then when it was 2:45. Ironic it would not now be quite good enough. Perhaps I should do a video on the stats around these standards & the GFA ones as well.
Yup spreadsheets are good and data tells a picture. (funny enough Kofusi is starting to put together so spreadsheet's too re shoe weights at US std and finishing times in shoes ) , I myself while I like strava which good for my coach and the new AI model is flattering . I find downloading my activities from garmin into CSV format paints me a better picture as it shows changes in stride patterns (length, virt etc) and of course HR / per effort .. what I have not ever done is match the shoe I am wearing against the values provides .. when I have some time I guess I could csv strava , csv garmin data and then use powershell to upload the two into a db and really get some cool data. or perhaps I can stop navel gaize and just enjoy my runs ;-)
I did see in passing he was going to start collecting some data on spreadsheets. Might make a good one for a mention on my next TH-camr news vid having seen the first one seems to have gone done well. As I use Garmin Forerunners (965 and 955) the data from my goes from Garmin Connect and then to Strava and also Training Peaks which my coach Matt Rees (Welsh Runner) likes to use to see what am up to. I find the Ground Contact Balance at times useful to see if the data show any left or right bias I may or not be able to "feel". Otherwise I find those metrics fairly predictable for me and largely aligned with my pace but I do like to check cadence sometimes. Don't really want it to get too high or too low but the differences are often very small and very hard to action anyway as generally I find each of us finds a style that suits them and if it ain't broke don't fix it. Strava I like not just for me but to see what my friends (well in the main LOL) are up to!!!
A other excellent TH-camr runner focus. These are really interesting as I watch these channels constantly. Have you been warned off analysing some TH-camrs Tim?
I have had one message me to say not to mention them or include them any more yes. I feel however I need to be clear that if others don't want to be included either then please message me and I will honour that. Good luck though improving their reach with a selective audience they want to pick themselves me thinks.
Strange really. If you’re on TH-cam you’ve kind of already agreed with putting yourself out there. I’m sanguine about all that stuff. Having never actually said ‘like and subscribe’ once I’m just enjoying the community and making videos. Thanks for doing the research to bring this deep-dive perspective to the training of these committed runners 🫡
@@sagsdothedu at one time I thought could I get to 1K subs without saying "like & subscribe and all that" at any time other than at the end by which time most have clicked off. I now just keep it there as a bit of a "joke" and my now usual sign off.
Great analysis Tim. I have a few friends doing Yorkshire tomorrow and the weather forecast doesn't look great there either. Fingers crossed it's not as bad as expected 🤞🏻
On the matter if your audience, I’d surmise that they’re less likely to go “Oggy oggy oggy” when passing under bridges. That is, there’s a more serious, driven pursuit of getting better rather than showmanship. Could be wrong, but I’ll take a Tim Grose over a [redacted] or [redacted] any day.
Ha ha agreed - less likely for sure - at least not every one. One big thing I remembered from Seville last year when I did 2:59:52 is that I did a short bit to my GoPro before crossed the line, put in my back pocket but never had the "puff" to pull it again until had finished. I always thought just one talk to camera and I probably would have ended up with a 3:00:01 etc etc so certainly no regrets in that respect.
@@TimGrose yes, every runner doing bits for the camera is losing a little. It doesn’t matter how well practiced they are. Actually, I remember a video a few months back where The Wu was running a half or 10k, and some spectator shouted “put the camera down and run” as he passed, which pissed him off. Probably wasn’t a polite way for the spectator to get the message across, but he wasn’t wrong if performance is the main drive. Obviously some TH-camrs don’t have the luxury of putting it down, and there’s a balance to strike.
Many thanks for this, Tim. Likewise Andy's and your's are two of our favourite channels. No flash, no show, just deep passion and sincerity.
To pick up on a few of your points...
1. Lots of bitty runs in the week - guilty as charged. Between Monday and Thursday I spend at least three hours in a car commuting to and between workplaces. Sometimes more if a particular meeting gets moved online. So a lot of these 20 / 30 minute daytime runs occur because they are a better option than sitting in the car at lunchtime letting the glutes and hips become further deactivated. Similarly, Dawn and I cannot do chunky runs in the day in the working week having set work patterns, and after long days in schools the evening isn't often conducive either. I think we both showed what would be possible when we each did double threshold days - me in the holidays, her on a day off work. But unfortunately we both know we don't have those blocks of time to train optimally.
2. So yes this is not optimal for the marathon - in fact going back to when I met you and was at my `best', the marathon was never my thing - a 33:31 10K and 73:40 Half Marathon `should' have got me somewhere around a 2:37/8 marathon but as you said the pb is 2:42. Alternatively, you could say I excelled (relatively) at 10k to Half Marathon.
3. So we get to the stage at age 54, why continue to strain to achieve at something for which my physiology has never been optimally suited, as opposed to doing what I really enjoy? Well one answer is the inspirational 2:59 of a certain 56-year-old TH-camr the other year 🙂. So yes I have unfinished business but know that my `marathon pace' on training runs does not match up to anything that would satisfy me, even if I could get my body round them. To use a car analogy, the engine is ok and can be upgraded but the bodywork....(well sucks lips and shakes head).
4. Drawing inspiration from TH-cam - I'm glad my modest recent successes have fired you in some way. As I've said your 2:59 was one of the best and most relatable performances on this platform. Similarly Andy working hard and stacking those training blocks to go past all my old pbs. It reminds us that you can't beat consistent hard work.
5. Both Dawn and I know we don't train optimally for big goals. Having both run competitively for 25 years, we would rather do, say 25 races per year and perform at 7 to 8 out of 10 at most of them, rather than 4 times per year and possibly do 9s or 10s. We love the running culture, being at races around the country, getting to know people in person and via our TH-cam profile and seeing how different races are organised and put together.
So, as we say over here, we shall keep on keeping on in a similar vein as long as our bodies allow.
Thanks John - might take my prize for the longest, most detailed comment on one of my vids. I think a lot of what you said I either knew or had inferred. I certainly agree that do the things you most enjoy and, at least for now while still working, we need to fit training around "life". It is also largely why I tried to do an indoor track season last winter and maybe would like to again if I can sort myself out. I am a good illustration of don't do what I do and not been able to race now for almost 6 months and would struggle to run even 5K at that 2:59:52 pace my last year self did when, at least in comparison, I was much less niggle free. In a similar way I could say my 1:55/3:55 800/1500 point to that I should/could have broken 15 for 5K, 32 for 10K, 2:30 for marathon etc etc but at least I felt I did more or less as well as I could at the events I was most interested in and indeed trained for. Maybe we will have another go at the marathon when the motivation is back. After all am thinking my club "needs" some M60 target times in some events. I have posted "decent for me" ones at M55 and anything now better is going to be a lot of hard work and some tips from you on S&C type stuff for sure!
Thanks Tim, really appreciate this 🙏 let’s hope the weather makes a miraculous change over night 😂
I think what you said with training towards the end is key… your background is definitely important and I think in marathons where it hasn’t gone right for me, it’s the ones where I’ve focused on less mileage… as someone who played football as a winger for 9 years before running I always relied on my speed… so developing more speed during a marathon block always used to be the focus. This time, I prioritised mileage and tried to hit some bigger weeks and I think that’s the magic sauce.. it’s about doing the opposite to what you’re good at, in a way? I’ve got the speed, so build resilience with more longer runs. Either way, whatever the weather does tomorrow, I’m hopeful it sets me up nicely for a good winter!
Also - I’m a big fan of John and Dawns channel, they both have a similar “work hard” ethic which resonates with me, was fortunate to have a quick chat with them in Cardiff this year, they were both lovely
It's funny you mention the part about "doing the opposite to what you're good at." I absolutely agree. It can be a delicate balance, because I tend to be motivated to go and do the things I am good at knowing that the things I really need to work on are more of a grind. But in the end, pushing to the uncomfortable might be exactly what some of us crave 🤣 Philly Bowden might have the best tag line in the business "love the grind"
Great Video Tim, love the analysis.
@@TheFODRunner good luck again mate. I was going to run in the Great South Run tomorrow but it’s been cancelled due to the weather. Hope the same fate doesn’t befall Abingdon!!
Yes fingers crossed for you. I rained a fair bit in my debut in London 2004 but it sort of helped - no chance of overheating for sure. As you may have picked up, I came into marathons largely straight from the tail end of my "serious" 800/1500 days and in the previous summer I then felt "slow" doing 2:01 for 800 seemingly every race. Of course if you go from being able to run sub 4 pace for a bit to a rough 6:00 MP I certainly had "enough speed". As such one of the first things I did in autumn 2003 was to do a 30 mile/4 hour run just because I did not want to be "frightended" of the marathon distance nor have an aim of doing a marathon race to merely tick off my longest ever. I then did lots more runs around 3 hours and plenty of MP runs say around 10-13 miles and some mile reps with short reps at HMP. I felt it helped me in my first 2004 and my PB the year after to "last the course" and in the main I overtook nearly everybody in the second half despite a few mins positive split. Of course my background is "unusual" but it does actually seem to have parallels to you and the 5K and 10K times you are doing now are quite similar to what I did back then. Think my best was a 15:59 track 5000 and a 33:05 10K which I won. My actual PBs were a bit quicker 15:26/32:17 but by the time of my marathon debut I was really about 10 years on from mid to late 20s "true" peak. I did however find the marathon gave me a nice lease of life and I started doing times at distances 5K and above had not done in 10 years and then i just carried on.
Philly is a good example of somebody who has seemingly "found her event". She is obviously very good at shorter distance but relatively much less so.
@@josephgonzalez_ oh really! That must be a big call to make.
Another great video Tim. You’ve moved from the pre-Grand National tipster to the MOTD pundit. Superb analysis. I’m often amazed that some TH-camrs spend so much time/money travelling all over & enter so many races. Provides great info for the rest of us but wonder if it could disrupt their own performance by running injured/over-tired.
Thanks! On your "so many races" point I think we saw a few cases of just that today. On the flip side, Andy did well in his marathon but, as feared, the weather at Abingdon was not conducive to a PB.
@@TimGrose 👏👏 yeah I saw Andy’s result yesterday. With your USP being Sue’s unboxing we need you back running and buying trainers again. 😂
Great video Tim. Really enjoyed the marathon training analysis of 2 of my favourite running channels.
Great to hear! As I mentioned, 2 of my favourites as well.
Disappointed I didn't make the top TH-cam friends list 🤪 Top analysis as always Tim! 👏😎🤘
@@BenNotley your turn is coming but there are some now I cannot mention at all. Besides on recent trips to Shere been thinking what a hero - he can really run up these “mountains”. I am missing towpaths.
Great analysis, Tim.
As it stands, my Marathon PB is still quicker than Andy but pretty likely that will change tomorrow.
Also I don't think I could have gotten anywhere near 16:05 at the time. Like you said, weight and body type plays a big part there. I'm naturally most suited to the longer stuff I think. Glad to say that also corresponds with what I most enjoy doing training and racing wise!
Yeah I often say the longer it got, the worse I got but I did mitigate that a fair bit by just being more specific and simplistically for my marathon training, just ran an awful lot more mileage than say I did for 800/1500. However when younger I could hit sessions a lort harder and more often so in that sense only doing 30 mpw "at best" (it was often more like 20) I sort of got away with. In hindsight I should have ran more and certainly in the winter. One of my running friends who was a sub 4 miler and now one of the best in my M55 age group on the the track used to do 100 mpw some weeks in his prime. On the other hand he had the talent and background endurance to do so.
Andy is a much improved since I started watching him a few years ago. He should have been down well below 2:40 by now but fuelling during the race had been a problem for a while - hopefully weather permitting he can finally get his goal time, which he says is actually between 2:36 and 2:38 (the new London Marathon champs time).
Re John, I think you’re right about his training probably not being optimal for the marathon. However, I can understand it if he prefers 5ks and 10ks - I also think I prefer races from 1500 to 5000 with some 10ks during the spring and summer. I’m only doing London Marathon in April to finally break the 2:40 barrier (yeah challenging at my age) before I probably retire from that distance.
Yes agreed about Andy. I think another factor is that he has not yet been able to come to a "major" with the form and largely issue free build up he has shown this time. It surely has to be a just a bit "easier" in a race like Chicago or Berlin or London over a small rural race like Abingdon but fingers crossed he can show his form tomorrow whatever. I tend to find I can do well at 5K/10K whilst training for a marathon but far less the other way round. Might be interesting to analyse the training of a true elite 5K/10K runner who does not do marathons (well at least not yet) - say like a Jack Rowe or even Eilish McColgan to see how it differs in principles to us more "jack of all trades" type runners at times. I might join you for a few strides or, at best, some short intervals at sub 2:40 pace these days. Make the most of that form while you can for sure.
@@TimGrose good idea. You’ve got the right base of viewers to be interested in a Jack / Elish training analysis and comparison to us mere mortals.
I love these analyzes 👍🏻
Glad to hear!
You should run this like a service, Tim! I’d pay for the Dr Grose analysis on my current training g block 😂
Ha ha but maybe that would bring me to a level I sometimes am puzzled about the motivations of others. In the main I feel I do this as I like seeing what others do and if I personally can learn anything and hopefully others can as well. I also don't have any formal coaching qualifications. All I can point to is 40+ years of being a competitive runner at a reasonable, but far from elite, level plus my academic maths & IT type analytical background and things like Power of 10 and runbritainrankings.com where I help to essential record everybody's performances at all levels of ability.
Loved this series (I am a data geek tho 🤓)
As someone fairly new to following TH-cam running channels I have started to subscribe to some of the channels you have analysed.
So it seems odd that someone does not want to be focused on!
The two you feature here have fantastic channels and are both very inspiring!
Yeah clearly not everybody is like us or the channels/creators/runners featured here. If they were I may have more subs but that is not my main motivation although of course it is nice if you do something like this and it is well received.
Cracking video again. The comment around 27 mins about not being able to mention other TH-camrs was intriguing and disappointing as your films are always well thought through and balanced.
Yeah it seems that not everybody likes me to have a detailed look at what they do. I never intend to be "cruel" but equally not a lot of point not being say "objective". Of course, I will honour the wishes of those who do not want me to cover them. Maybe I won't bother watching them any more either as for me this space is about full engagement not being selective thereof.
Indeed some folks are sensitive about being scrutinised in public. I’m more than happy for Tim to analyse my training, or lack of and give his opinions for discussion. After all, that’s “social” media 🤩
@PoetWithPace thanks and was very interesting to do so for you for Chicago and well done for qualifying for the world masters champs in New York next year. Need to think of anybody worth covering for this year’s imminent edition. Might be the slowest marathon major but perhaps arguably the one to do above all others ?
@@TimGrose yes indeed New York is the toughest of all the majors with so many bridges and uphill sections. Last 4 miles just keeps going up and up!
Interesting video Tim, very well put together 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks 👍
Fingers crossed 🤞
Indeed I keep looking at the weather forecast. Right now (Saturday PM - the day before) it is not too bad.
@@TimGrose let me know how Andy goes if you can , I can't seem to follow it .. thanks 😊
@@amandawalker4510 www.strava.com/activities/12699911847 very good run in the circumstances
@@TimGrose aww thanks, hope he is pleased, I saw the forecast 😞
@@amandawalker4510 hopefully one of those that might be disappointed initially but on reflection pleased did the best he could in the circumstances
Andy's gonna smash 2:40 easily regardless of weather.
Let's hope so - I feel he is certainly in good enough shape to do so.
@@TimGrose Oh easily... and then some!
@@TimGrose dammit!!!
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Indeed! There is a factor that in life one tends to be attracted as friends to like minded persons and the two channels/creators featured here are certainly that.
The London Marathon Championship entry has now dropped to 2:38 😱
Ah has it, not surprised. I did 2:38 and something on my debut back in 2004 and managed to get a champs place based on a 1:56 20 mile race I had done - don't ask, don't get I thought. I also felt I easily justified my place then when it was 2:45. Ironic it would not now be quite good enough. Perhaps I should do a video on the stats around these standards & the GFA ones as well.
Good work Tim. Its Randy Andy's time 💪
Let's hope so! I shall you have to join you lot for a run sometimes (well if I can keep up). Sounds like you take him down a peg or three :)
@@TimGrose Haha! Tim, it would be an honour if you joined us for a jog. I would certainly be keen
Yup spreadsheets are good and data tells a picture. (funny enough Kofusi is starting to put together so spreadsheet's too re shoe weights at US std and finishing times in shoes ) , I myself while I like strava which good for my coach and the new AI model is flattering . I find downloading my activities from garmin into CSV format paints me a better picture as it shows changes in stride patterns (length, virt etc) and of course HR / per effort .. what I have not ever done is match the shoe I am wearing against the values provides .. when I have some time I guess I could csv strava , csv garmin data and then use powershell to upload the two into a db and really get some cool data. or perhaps I can stop navel gaize and just enjoy my runs ;-)
I did see in passing he was going to start collecting some data on spreadsheets. Might make a good one for a mention on my next TH-camr news vid having seen the first one seems to have gone done well. As I use Garmin Forerunners (965 and 955) the data from my goes from Garmin Connect and then to Strava and also Training Peaks which my coach Matt Rees (Welsh Runner) likes to use to see what am up to. I find the Ground Contact Balance at times useful to see if the data show any left or right bias I may or not be able to "feel". Otherwise I find those metrics fairly predictable for me and largely aligned with my pace but I do like to check cadence sometimes. Don't really want it to get too high or too low but the differences are often very small and very hard to action anyway as generally I find each of us finds a style that suits them and if it ain't broke don't fix it. Strava I like not just for me but to see what my friends (well in the main LOL) are up to!!!
A other excellent TH-camr runner focus. These are really interesting as I watch these channels constantly. Have you been warned off analysing some TH-camrs Tim?
I have had one message me to say not to mention them or include them any more yes. I feel however I need to be clear that if others don't want to be included either then please message me and I will honour that. Good luck though improving their reach with a selective audience they want to pick themselves me thinks.
Strange really. If you’re on TH-cam you’ve kind of already agreed with putting yourself out there. I’m sanguine about all that stuff. Having never actually said ‘like and subscribe’ once I’m just enjoying the community and making videos. Thanks for doing the research to bring this deep-dive perspective to the training of these committed runners 🫡
@@sagsdothedu at one time I thought could I get to 1K subs without saying "like & subscribe and all that" at any time other than at the end by which time most have clicked off. I now just keep it there as a bit of a "joke" and my now usual sign off.
Great analysis Tim. I have a few friends doing Yorkshire tomorrow and the weather forecast doesn't look great there either. Fingers crossed it's not as bad as expected 🤞🏻
Yeah hopefully. I don't know too much about that race. Maybe I can feature some in my next TH-camr news.
I think I need to become a shoetuber so that I can get one of these breakdowns for myself xD
Ah maybe I should take requests!
On the matter if your audience, I’d surmise that they’re less likely to go “Oggy oggy oggy” when passing under bridges. That is, there’s a more serious, driven pursuit of getting better rather than showmanship. Could be wrong, but I’ll take a Tim Grose over a [redacted] or [redacted] any day.
Ha ha agreed - less likely for sure - at least not every one. One big thing I remembered from Seville last year when I did 2:59:52 is that I did a short bit to my GoPro before crossed the line, put in my back pocket but never had the "puff" to pull it again until had finished. I always thought just one talk to camera and I probably would have ended up with a 3:00:01 etc etc so certainly no regrets in that respect.
@@TimGrose yes, every runner doing bits for the camera is losing a little. It doesn’t matter how well practiced they are.
Actually, I remember a video a few months back where The Wu was running a half or 10k, and some spectator shouted “put the camera down and run” as he passed, which pissed him off. Probably wasn’t a polite way for the spectator to get the message across, but he wasn’t wrong if performance is the main drive. Obviously some TH-camrs don’t have the luxury of putting it down, and there’s a balance to strike.
I’m not your best TH-cam friend? Gutted 😞… salt in the wound of the fact my race on Sunday has been cancelled because of wind & rain
Ah you and Ben Notley are also “one of them”. You can see now why I get blocked by some :)
@@TimGrose 🤣🤣