@@ramdafale Yes, I was including doubles. Djokovic ran out on his partner instead of playing the Bronze medal match last Olympics, which was terrible sportsmanship.
Tennis fans are free to like Roger Federer and me. However, you should not confuse your favorite player with the best player. The best player in world tennis history is NovakDjokovic. - 22-time Grand Slam champion Rafael Nadal If you're making the case that Novak Djokovic is not the best, it's likely based on emotion, not record. - ANDY RODIC, Tennis Hall of Fame inductee
@@henkka8157 much more loved by westerners and salty people*. Djokovic is loved by many people and respected by even you haters. Federer did nothing for the sport except made millions from Rolex, thank you very much. GOAT Djokovic
This is getting boring, for one, no matter how much Djokovic has proven himself, you people just won't give him what he deserve!!! facts isn't based on your feelings!!
Vocês só é um grande fã de Federer. Esqueceu quantas raquetes Federer quebrou! Para você Federer n tinha nenhum defeito. Na verdade era arrogante , pouca ética ( vide sua entrevista em 2011 quando perdeu o USOPEN para Nole) . Não vacinar e um direito de escolha. Agora , o Estado de Kansas está processando a Pfizer em relação a vacina da COVID 19.
Roger is the most gifted, Novak while not as gifted is a truly complete player. My favorite is Nadal, but as the numbers and slams roll in for Novak, I cannot deny that his GOAT claim becomes more solidified. Even so, I can only think of one tennis record that I can confidently say will likely never be broken. 112-3 at Roland Garros with a 97% win rate. No player has ever dominated a surface to such a degree like Rafa
Sorry buddy, but this debate is forever SUBJECTIVE, based on one's personal opinion. I have not seen anyone play tennis better than Roger Federer, but I do understand why you side with Joker. All 3 have a case.....
@tigeranthony I can prove that your subjective opinion isn't important to you as you say. Watch me. Just remember how many times you were cheering every time Federer won titles, matches, sets, gems, even points. And how sad you were every time he lost. You know why? Because you know that winning is what matters. His elegant style wasn't enough for you to make you happy. So, clearly, you are just lying to yourself- "it's all about opinion, so it doesn't matter that he didn't win more than Djokovic". It matters to you. Your emotions prove it. Why else would you care about him winning if he is elegant and you think he's the goat? You need something else- wins! (Don't act like you don't care about him winning. I know you do! Look at crowd cheering when he wins. So there's no reason for you to be different).
You wrote ALL THAT and it didn't change MY opinion ONE BIT!. The fact that you're going out of your way to change my opinion tells me all I need to know.......All 3 have a case for The GOAT title my friend, for ME, it's Federer......
Djokovic is the most successful player but Federer will always be the GOAT. Most influential player. Same with Michael Jordan. He’s the goat in basketball although he doesn’t has the most championships.
Respectfully to all of the greats, and I state this with no bias. The greatest tennis player, male of female, is Novak Djokovic. He is also one of the greatest athletes in sports. Mentally one of the strongest champions.
If Novak capitalized on Federers age later in his career, then it must also be clarified that Roger capitalized on Novaks age early in his career, since Roger had a 4-0 lead agains him from 2006-07, while Novak wasn't even 20 and Roger was at his absolute peak. After that early start however their next years were all 50-50, with each one getting wins and losses, coming to an end after 2011, where it was all Novak really. It's also hard to say whether Roger or Novak is the greatest on grass, since Novak has 1 less Wimbledon while having a 4-1 record against Roger on the exact surface And comparing Rogers 93% win rate for 4 years to Novaks in 2015 is one thing, but failing to mention that Novak did it in an era where Nadal, Murray, Wawrinka and of course Federer himself were all there while Rogers best competition was.....who exactly? That's another thing entirely
In terms of the h2h they met far more when Federer was in his mid to late 30s than they did when Novak was young. It's very even and Novak was exceptionally gifted and won his first gs early. And Federer beat Novak in 2011 to end win streak and in 2012 at Wimbledon. Both years when Novak was in his prime and Federer was at the end of his. The grass is no debate. Novak leads 3-1 not 4-1 but as I said when they both met closer to Rogers prime it was a normal day at the office for Federer on grass. The man was untouchable for 5 years and almost beat a much younger Novak aged 38. His losses were close except 1 but let's not pretend this was the same Federer from 2003-2009. He was in his mid to late 30s while still being exceptional at that age. Novak has just found out himself how difficult it is to do that and got demolished by a 21 year old. Does this make Alcaraz greater on grass than Novak...ofcourse not. And people have short memories. Federer beat Sampras, ousted Agassi, had Safin, Nadal already winning majors. Roddick who is massively underrated (winning h2h with Novak, not that it means much) His competition was far harder than what Novak has faced the past 5 years where there has been a vacuum of major talent. Alcaraz and Sinner are the only ones to have stepped up really. All this is not to diminish Novak, he's a freak and a machine and is rightly one of the 3 GOATS and the most successful player of all time. But Federer gets far too much disrespect and should be applauded for playing as long as he did which should not have tainted his career as it seems to have done in the eyes of so many.
@@MrSRA13 Federer changed many things in tennis in general, like the average age of retirement which was in most cases in the early 30s before him. The man was the absolute greatest for a time after all. One thing that can't be said though is that he faced any "real" competition until Djokovic and Nadal matured to challenge him, which took a few years since theres an age difference unlike with Djokovic-Murray-Nadal which are all born within a year. Federer was a lone great surrounded by good/old players. I mean both Djokovic and Nadal beat Federer in a GS and won the title afterwards by the time they were both 20-21, something that most of his previous rivals couldn't do in their whole careers, so I don't put his competition beforehand in the same category as what would start coming after 2007. Same way i wouldn't compare Djokovic playing against Berretinni to Djokovic surviving and somehow overcoming Federer in Wimbledon/Nadal in Rg, however it can't be denied that Alcaraz, Sinner, Medvedev, and other newer players are for the most part just better than people considered the best players in Federers era, which would be Safin, Roddick and Hewitt, since Agassi was very old (for that time) and Samprass played Federer only once. If not by number of titles or elo rating etc. then at least by the fact that they just came after the big 3 raised the bar all around.
@@Dimchek970 Yeah, but the fact a 37 year old Nole dominates the circuit so much despite having monsters 16 years younger than him practically eliminates the "age gap" excuse: Djokovic is only 6 years younger than Federer, whereas he is 16 years older than Alcaraz and Sinner and he keeps winning consistently against them. Federer lost to him not because Djokovic is younger, but because Djokovic is better.
@@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266 10 years ago, Federer fans said that he was the GOAT because he was still great in his 30's and Nadal or Djokovic will never be as good when they will be old. Now, Djokovic is better in his 30's than Federer was in his 30's but Federer's fans claim that it's only because of a weak opposition.
@@BomBomm12345 yeah I left a few comments in English as well, as he is spamming the comments section due to his mental condition. Novak lives rent free in Zvonko's sad mind :(
Novak is undoubtedly the GOAT of tennis. Trust me this is coming from Federer fan. But in terms of being influential across the globe, Roger’s aura is simply unmatched. Another factor is the bond which roger and rafa shared. We should cherish the moments these big 3 gave us instead of going to conversation about who better or not. But we all know. Stats do not lie. Nobody is matching what Novak has achieved.
The commentator said that "Djokovic will never be the Icon that Federer was or still is" 😂 This Federer GOAT argument is the weakest ever. Of course because the GOAT status has nothing to do with a popularity contest or pageant. Tennis and sports are about winning matches and achieving results, and have nothing to do with looking good whilst loosing to Djokovic. But also, contrary to the quoted statement Djokovic is now a lot more popular than Federer in both China and India (which accounts for just half of the world). Therefore even if this desperado approach was used to determine the GOAT, Djokovic would still win the vote, like he won the 24th slam and the gold medal, even after this video was made. For the record, I am not a Djokovic Federer or Nadal fan but let's just be honest here. The GOAT of tennis is no longer a debatable subject due to Djokovic having almost all the records.
Novak is the Ultimate GOAT..... of course Novak does not has Roger's smooth shots and Rafa's banana shots.... Even without all those shots he raised from Ordinary level to GOAT level. Also, Novak encourages & acknowledges opponents shots most of the time and never bad-mouth other players. Rafa (and Roger) they had the luxury of Money to choose Football or Tennis in there Career at age 8 BUT Novak born poor in war-torn country raised all the bar. Love Novak, such an inspiration 😍❤
Never bad-mouth opponents 😅, Nardi and Ben Shelton would like to disagree, just two recent examples😅. Djokovic down playing such young star players at his status doesn't do him any favours.
@@ioaninmihail6470 Watch Ben Shelton & Kotov Controversy, watch Fognini giving his peace of mind to Ben. In that match Ben was a kind of throwing balls at the end of the points towards Novak side. Nardi pulled out in last minute (it's legal) but usually it's annoying to do that.
Longevity at the highest level shouldn’t be the only criterion for determining the GOAT. Arguably Federal had the highest peak from 2004-2010. Djokovic had the longest peak. Sampras has the highest win percent, 89%, at the US Open and the second highest, 90%, at Wimbledon. Borg retired at 25 and has the highest at 92%.
@@zvonkosolin8627Djokovics peak is higher, also djokovic dominance is more obvious. Federer has the edge on the aestethics of his game, but he's the 2nd best tennis player ever, and Rafa is the third Rafa third because he's a one surface champ, and grinder, he's never deffended a slam on a surface that isn't clay.
@@miljann98 Djokovic prime was 2011-2015, 70-6 and 82-6 he played his best tennis durning that 5 year stretch, he won 9 GS titles, he manage to win 10 consecutive tournament finals and once he got to the number 1 spot he manage to hold it 122 consecutive weaks before he got dethroned, durning those 5 years 4 men were at the number 1 spot. Federer prime was from 2004-2008, he played his best tennis durning that 5 year stretch, he won 12 GS titles, he accomplished greatest invincibility in history of the sport he won 24 consecutive tournament finals, once he got to number 1 spot he manage to hold it his entire prime 2004-2008 or 237 consecutive weaks, no man manage to reach number 1 other then Federer, no man, Federer has 2 back to back seasons that are better then any season djokovic ever played in his life, 2005, 81-4 and insane 2006, 92-5, Federer has played in 16/17 finals that 2006 season. So much for djokovic dominance or "peak" 😎. Also Federer is the Greatest player of all time, followed by Nadal second and djokovic would be 3rd even though Borg is for sure in conversation for 3rd
@@zvonkosolin8627 Zvonko, i don't have enough words to describe how delusional you are. 92-5 with 250s and 500s all over the place is a non factor for describing how "great" a season was. Only the total number of titles won and finals played in big tournaments and beating the most top 10 players. In 2015 Djokovic beat 31 top 10 players to win 6 Masters 1000 titles, 3 Grand Slams, play a Final of the 4th slam, and win ATP Tour Finals. Federer comes close with 2006, but is 2 full masters 1000 wins shy of Djokovic's feat. Best seasons ranked look something like this: 1. 2015 Djokovic 2. 2006 Federer 3. 2011 Djokovic 4. 2007 Federer 5. 2023 Djokovic But even so, in 2006 and 2007 Federer only had a Nadal on clay to worry about. In 2011 Djokovic faced Prime all surfaces Rafa, Prime Federer, on the cusp of Prime Murray, and many more hall of famers of tennis. Same in 2015 and so on...
and Fed has an inferior head to head against Novak and Nadal.. its like fighting in a boxing match how can Fed be better than Novak if he had been ko ed so many times.. not talking about a one off match or sample size but over a career of match ups of 50 times
Im a federer fan. But this question is already answered. Novak is the goat and that's ok. Federer in second place nadal in third place. It s not a matter of opinions. It s what it is
I dunno. Who has outclassed the other more. I'd argue Fed outclassed Djok Djok just outlasted him. I love Brady but he outlasted everyone and clutch plays.
@@healthylifehub8089 First of all Nadal has 1 Olympic singles gold , nobody is counting doubles , even the ATP says Nadal has 1 , Murray has 2 . How many ATP Finals did Nadal win ? Novak won 7 , Roger 6 and Nadal a big fat potato , funny how you completely removed that as it wouldn't suit your agenda . A slam is also superior to the Olympics - 7 BO5 vs 6 BO3 how can you even put them in the same tier ?
Roger Federer of 2000s, Novak of 2010s and Nadal of Clay. There isn't one you should respect over the other, but for some reason so called 'fans' have to disrespect one for another.
Being the GOAT is not only a matter numbers. Novak is a fucking legend and the most successful tennis player ever but to be greatest you have to leave another type of mark. Federer hitting impossible shots every game like no other player was able to do and watching him move so naturally on a tennis court was a joy to watch and it was unmatched. And it happens in other sports also. For some people Senna is the GOAT of F1 and for others is Schumacher even if Hamilton is the most successful one. Michael Jordan is the GOAT of basketball even though Bill Russell won more NBA championships. GOATs transcend their own sport on a level no one else was able to do and that's the case with Federer in tennis.
Being the GOAT in a single player sport is about two things- holding the major titles, and being no.1 ranked in the world. Tennis is lucrative in that the 4 GS have been the jewels of the sport since the 1950s and has been the main target for all tennis players of the modern era. NBA and F1 are team sports where the driver/player can make a difference but ultimately it is a team effort. You cannot make a GOAT argument based on feelings- Federer has not done anything to transcend tennis- he was heavily backed by the Nike/western european PR train since the early 2000s thinking that he will go clear in GS history. Unfortunately, for him, he came up against Nadal and Djokovic in the same era. The Goat in a single player sport is ONLY about the numbers...
@@chiller1017 "sport is about two things- holding the major titles, and being no.1 ranked in the world". That's why you are wrong. Where does it say that being the goat is about those two things you are mentioning? is there a rulebook i can read that has the rules to become the goat in tennis? does the ATP regulate the goat status? I think not and it is bacause the GOAT status is giving by the people based on preferences not on numbers alone
@@ivanmartinez3384 All you have to do is watch any interview from a tennis player (ranked and juniors), the dream is alway to win a grand slam, and be the world number 1. That is the ultimate goal for any player- do you disagree? The GOAT is different to your favourite player- Fed may be your favourite player but all the stats point to Djokovic. He is on top of GS, weeks at world number 1..what other metrics would you use other than "feelings"...ATP finals/Masters 1000, win/loss percentage, career grand slams, golden masters, head to head against the other two. Only one man tops the list, and it ain't fed....
@@chiller1017 But again going with the stats route. Already said and proved is not only a matter of stats in my original post. And that's why i said Novak is a fucking legend and the most successful tennis player but that doesnt make him the goat because that's a highly subjective thing and not only for me but for a majority of fans and players as well. And the fact that every time player dreams about winning grandslams and being number 1 doesnt even contradict with what i said, you are not making any point with that afirmation lol
@@ivanmartinez3384 My friend, you just said going with stats route is subjective??! Statistics are facts, completely objective! If every players ultimate goal is to win GS and be world number 1 which you agree with, and it is the pinnacle of the sport in terms of achievements, goals and so the greatest player will be synonymous with whoever is able to achieve the ultimate goal of the sport. You can say Fed is your favourite players based on feelings- that is subjective as you say. Ultimately on the court, Fed dominated the 2000s, but from 2010 onwards Djokovic took over and has been unmatched since...
One thing that people forget is how short the grass season is. Imagine how much federer could have won... Every court has become slower, making it more suited towards rafa/novak
@@Tennis_Served Its actually a huge factor. In my opinion i felt like tennis was most fun around 2010 ish (The court speed). Not too fast or slow, perfect balance
@@Mauruud my point is that more people play other surfaces so takes more skill to be dominant there and it is what it is grass season is shorter as it’s less common.
Djokovic imo hands down, not even a fan but what he’s done and continues to do will probably be unmatched or surpassed for a very long time. A human backboard
If they are all in their primes and there are matches versus aliens these will be my representatives ; Clay = Nadal Hardcourt = Djokovic Grass = Djokovic I would have chosen Federer for grass but I can't knowing there is a player on earth that can beat him on the most important matches on earth. This makes all the difference.
Thanks for watching. I remember Federer had 2 match points in his last Wimbledon final against Novak. It's crazy the small margins. But it's the margins that count!
@@Tennis_Served You forgot to mention Federer's age. The 1st time Djokovic could beat Federer was in the 2014 when Federer was already 33 and Djokovic was 27.
@@TheFalx Who asked Federer to play beyond 30 ?? 😂😂😂😂😂 And prime Federer almost lost to novice Nadal in 2007 Wimbledon and was outplayed in 2008 Wimbledon.
@@michael8597 That's what I am saying, Djokovic had a negative record vs Prime Federer, not Nadal. However, in the case of Nadal the thing is that Nadal found a way to heavily harm Federer with his super top spin on Federer's BH.
@@TheFalx Novak was a teenager when Federer had that favourable H2H. Nadal craftily converted his clay court supremacy to all court dominance against Federer. Federer then had a big mental block against Nadal. But Novak is the one who beat Nadal when he was world No 1 seven times consecutively between 2011 to 2012 in all major tournaments.
Its clear to anybody that federer and djokovic are most complete tennis players ever , their level is very high on all surfaces . Nadal is a step worse on surfaces like indoors and fast hard courts . Djokovic edges federer as a competitor mentally and physically . Djoko 1 federer 2 nadal 3
@@nik69583 Il give you statistic, but first you need to answer this question so i know who im talking to, someone who knows tennis or a fangirl 🤣... Who had greatest season ever played in tennis history?
zvonko admit it dude Novak is the goat.. Fed cant even have a winning record against Novak or Nadal in a one on one contest.. this is not a team sport.. just admit it.. by majority here are saying Novak.. you are deluded.. might need to have your brain checked
@@zvonkosolin8627 So how do you determine who is the best player then ? Let me guess , your subjective eye test ? Please tell me Federer isn't the best , the guy has a negative h2h against both of his biggest rivals , has a worse winning % than them , has worse records than Novak , its debatable with Nadal , so on what metric is he the best ?
Federer for me...just because of how he played the game,and the fact that grass was by far his best surface. Most graceful player to ever play the game in my opinion. If they were all in their prime, I'd pick Federer to come out on top. All three are goats though!.
Everyone will have their own personal preference but the undeniable fact is that based on success, statistics and records, which this argument should be based on, Djokovic is GOAT.
Depends on if you base the Goat on longevity and who can break records, or if you base it on who has the highest level a human could ever play the game at their peak on a given day. For example, you could have an outstanding film producer who makes 5 award winning films and another who makes one award winning film that is the greatest film ever made, who would be the Goat?
The most delusional fans I have ever seen is tennis fans.I don't even follow tennis bit there is nothing to discuss, Novak is GOAT .Its not about your preferences its about statistic and statistic is clean as sunshine. CRAZY!
The problem is, anywhere you look, Djokovic is ahead of everyone else, with one or two exceptions. If you add Roger and Rafa' s numbers, Djokovic ALONE accomplished more than 50% of what both of them accomplished together. Djokovic leads with 257 top 10 wins, which means he did not have it easy, as Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer fans would like you to think. Finally, Djokovic is a little better than anyone alive on two out of three surfaces-Novak is better than Roger on hard courts and clay, and Novak is better than Rafa on hard courts and grass. Djokovic is also the only one who won more than 90 matches at all four GS, and has a win % higher than 80% on all three surfaces. There is no one, dead or alive, who has a positive H2H against Djokovic if they played at least 10 matches against each other.
The only one who faced the other 2 in their peak is Rafa. And beat them in many occasions. He beat Federer to humiliation many times; he was the only one to menace him in his best (remember the 40-3 Federer season with 3 losses to RN); he beat the best grass player of all time in Wimbledon; he debunked the greatest dominance in tennis history till that moment; and he almost prevented the most talented player (RF) of all time to win all four slams. He beat Novak many times on hard and lost to him at RG only after the injuries, which took him off the court for many years of his career and put him in a condition of playing for a long time trying to return to a competitive form. The first to reach 21 slams, even far from the peak. Great advantage in h2h against RF and had a large advantage against Nole before the injuries. Still close to equal in h2h GS finals. Both Federer and Djokovic benefited from playing with less competition before 2007 and 2017, respectively. Rafa played against both of them from the beginning, with no gaps. He’s won the most, with less shots. Djoko benefited from 2 slams on hard and still couldn’t capitalize that much in NY to expand his lead. Many more Masters on hard. Rafa dominated in all kinds of clay courts. So statistically (cold data) Djoko is the undeniable GOAT, but if the analisis is a little bit deeper, it is arguable who was the best (not necessarily the greatest) or the greatest/most influential player. All of them have unique traits and strenghts which gave them the edge at some point.
Federer was the Jordan of tennis any debate is pointless to say anything other is better than him isn’t right. They’re all great but without Federer they’d be no ND etc
That's just you being a dishonest Fed fan. Tennis is not basketball. It's an individual sport where records mean everything and Novak has crushed Roger already in EVERY major record. There is no discussion. Roger may be the face of tennis and Rafa was great on clay but Novak is the greatest tennis player ever and it's not close.
H2H is misleading. For instance, Fed only lost so many finals at RG coz he was good enough to get there in the first place. Nadal did not play as many times on grass vs Fed
Federer joined atp in 98, Nadal in 2001, djokovic in 2003, Federer is 6 years older by the time djokovic hit his prime, Federer was out of his, H2H would be valid if all started at the same time, but then again djokovic would not win anything 😎
Fed had it easy.. collecting titles against scrubs way before Nadal and Novak came into tour let alone fine peak form.. the argument that Fed is older is invalid.. imagine a young dude like Rafa and Novak facing a peak Fed when they just entered tour..
how can Fed be the goat when he cant even have a better head to head against Novak on all surfaces.. the argument on Fed being a old is invalid.. Fed was in his peak when Novak was starting out.. As for Nadal.. he defeated Fed on grass, hard courts in GS.. but Fed cant do the same to Rafa in French Open
@@BomBomm12345 Let me just demolish your nonsense 🤣, Federer faced 12 world number 1 players: Sampras, Agassi, Hewitt, Saffin, Roddick, Moya, Rafter, Kuerten, Juan Carlos Ferero, Nadal, Murray, djokovic, djokovic faced 6, Federer, Nadal, Murray, Medvedev, Alcaraz and Sinner
I know that you can't rewrite history but thing about this: the prime of roger is not 2004-2007. If you take away clay rafa, roger will have still 90% of win percentage until 2009 or 10 in all surface. I dont think that prime nole is better than prime federer. And besides that, nole used too much dirty tricks in the past to beat a not so old roger. Im piss with roger for let that happened
Thanks for watching. Yeh the Rafa factor on clay affected Roger not just on clay but his confidence on other surfaces vs Rafa. Wonder how it might've turned out if he won 1 or 2 early ones on clay against Rafa.
Federer is always the best in grass, hard courts, indoor, outdoor courts by a large margin compared to other players. Distant second will be sampras , third will be Novak . Nadal will always be the best only in clay surface. All other surfaces in this earth he is at a very far distant compared to many players. Nadal is basically a standard clay court player
Neither Federer, nor Nadal could touch prime Nole except on clay. Apart from clay, for every surface, Nole was best! I love federer. He's my favourite tennis player cuz he's so fun to watch. But prime Nole would wipe the floor with him! It's not about who was prettier to watch or won more titles. It was who was the more skilled and gifted player. And that was Nole. Fortunately he has the numbers to back it up so the "European gentlemen" club can stfu! Nole was Federer with a better backhand.
I guess those hard court wins Fed had dont count, or wimbledon 2012, and maybe US Open 2011 the match point thing , or wimbledon 2019 the match point or even 2015 US OPEN where Novak won 1 more point the whole match and Fed was abysmall on break points, i guess it was walk in the park for Novak who mostly beat Fed in a war of attrition(soon as match came close to 3 hours or past it Novak would win 90% of the time)
I personally think it was Novak's mental strength that edged him ahead of Federer , in 3 slam meetings he saved 2 match points and won 2 of those slams , that is what sealed it for Roger . Their rivalry is very close but Novak's mental strength and endurance prevailed .
@@blabla-fw9ix mentality and fitness, 2-3 points with different outcome and we would have much different history, and also the fact most of Novak wins came in deciding sets (and many times tie breaks where his mentality would once again shine). Fed was almost always the better player(apart from AO matches) for the first ~70-90 min and then it was mostly Novak who was better
There's no use explaining anything to fedal fans. They won't accept anyone else as goat except fedal no matter how objectively you justify novak's case. But i guess we don't need their agreement to know who truly is the goat.
The same can be said to Novak fans. The debate is toxic now. So much unnecessary disrespect for 3 incredible champions. 3 GOATS than imo have all contributed. Novak is the most successful. Federer had the highest standard. Rafa the most dominant on a surface.
Simple reason:If Novak was from England or UK or switzerland he would be the GOAT for eveyrone...but hes from Serbia thats why people dont think hes the GOAT
Absolutely NO DEBATE here. People that's why we are leading sport statistic. Numbers don't have feelings. Novak is not my favorite player (Sampras is) but Novak numbers are incredible and unrealistic. Federer is close friend with main mass media editors. When Sampras has retired he left tennis and made space for the new leader Roger. He hardly went to any master tournament let alone GS. And what is Roger doing? He is retired but in a way not so. He is on every GS , he makes Netflix, Never publicly congratulate to Novak for his 23 GS or more fresh for his Olympic achievment ... For me he is a sore loser who can't accept the fact that his records are all broke by Novak . So tell me where i m not telling the true here???
This was a really well made video bro. I consider my tennis knowledge on the big 3 better than just about anyone. You had some great points that I hadn’t thought of for them all. Well done. Subscribed
Nadal is the goat he has the best head to head in grand slams. People love to criticise Nadal for winning at French Open but clay is 1 grand slam and hard court is two yet Nadal has the same amount of US Opens as Djokovic.
LOL, I don't think that even you believe that... 2015/16 Novak was a tennis robot. Rafa himself said that it was the highest level of tennis ever. 16950 points, etc.
For me novak is the goat but i still feel if rafa was not injured so many times rafa would of win more slams he could beat anybody when he is fit for a player who had so many injuries and had to sit out so many slams he is definitely my goat as fot federer he would of win more grandslams to if he did not retire due to injury cause federer would of destroyed this younger generation people have to understand federer can beat anybody but my goat is rafa
If Djokovic wins an Olympic medal this year, I have no idea how anyone can justify him not being the GOAT. Somehow people think that 20 is a higher number then 24 😂😂😂
Best Allrounder and most titles: Novak Best Claycourt player and warrior spirit: Nadal Best Grasscourt player and most elegant player: Federer Together they are GOATS, decide which kind of style you prefer most, thanks for reading.
The funny thing about Bathroombreakovic fans is that, if given the opportunity to magically copy all of Mole's or Federer strokes, they would 100% choose Fed's unless they're completely living in denial. Not only are Fed's strokes more aesthetic, but they're much, much more effective. Just another reason why Federer is the GOAT. Let's see how the Bathroombreakovic fans cope with this one 🤣
I love Federer and started watching Tennis because of him in 2008 against Rafa in Wimbledon but for me, it's Novak. I didn't watch pre 2008 Federer so I don't know how good young Federer was tho.
Thanks for watching and commenting. The wimby 2008 final was so good 👍 I even made a video about it. Young Feds was a beast, if you get a chance to watch some highlights against Agassi and Sampras
Federer raise to the top was going through : Sampras, Agassi, Hewitt, Roddick, Saffin, Rafter, Moya, Kuerten, Juan Carlos Ferero, Nadal, Murray, djokovic 😎
@@vijayla21 Federer played against 12 former world number 1 players and he got to play who ever was good enough to earn their spot in the final... and he won, he was so good at the start of his career that in his first 7 grandslam final appearances he WON 7, 7/7 only man to do so, little Alcaraz has done 4/4 so far.... little djokovic lost hes first final 🤣, that maked him 0/1 🤣
@@zvonkosolin8627 Are you that desperate to cherrypick useless stats? 😂😂. Half of these number 1 didnt even meet Federer more than once and are near retirement. Here’ a fun fact, in AO 04, 13/32 seeds were eliminated in the first round including the top 2 seeds, the great number 1 you were talkimg about Kuerten and Hewitt 🤣🤣🤣
@@vijayla21 Seems to me you are the desperate one, dissrespecting players, picking who is and who is not world number 1 🤣🤦♂️, FACT is Federer DID play against monster competition AND he DID play against who ever earned their spot in the final and he beat them all, unlike djokovic who faced only 3 world number 1 players 90% of his career and Alcaraz Medvedev and Sinner just last few years, that is 12 - 6 😎, FACTS 💯. Being invincible aint no useless stat, its indication of greatness, in case you dont know 😎. I can burry you with numbers of Federer greatness and being Greatest player of all time, your head would spin for a month 🤣. Here is a little spin for your head... Nalbandian who was NEVER world number 1, is better then most players today that djokovic plays today 😎, he beat FEDERER in his prime, Nadal in his prime and djokovic in the same tournanent to win it 😎
Well, Roger didn't win majority of his grand slams when Nole and Rafa were in their peaks, so.... And if Soderling didn't def Nadal at the 2009 FO he would never win it.
I know this “debate” isn’t exclusive to tennis, but I’m tired of it. Why can’t we just appreciate all three guys? Statistically, Novak is the greatest. No questions asked. But are numbers the only thing that defines being the greatest? In the sport of boxing, for example, Ali is seen as the greatest, even though there are other fighters, like Mayweather, who have a better record inside the ring. How do we characterize the emotion that a player elicits from you? How do we characterize the impact a player has had on the game? How do we characterize the impact a player has had on sport culture? If the GOAT is only defined by what happens between the lines, then I concede it’s Novak. But if there are other factors that are used, then I can make an argument for both Roger and Rafa. However, the vitriol that I see in the forums and on social media platforms from fans of all three needs to stop. All three of these guys should be celebrated, because we won’t have the last two (Novak/Rafa) for much longer.
In my opinion S. Tsitsipas is the greatest. My opinion is the most important to me. So what if he never won any grand slam. My feelings are the measure for the greatness. Titles and records don't mean anything. If Stefanos starts winning majors then those titles will mean something. I don't know why Im replying to you, but it doesn't even matter. I can reply to whom ever I want. Stefanos is god!!
@@POK2008 Of course I did. I agree with you. That is why I even said: I don't know why I replied to you. I guess I agree with your " essay" on this topic. I also agree that is becoming tiring. One more thing: I just wanted "world" on yt to now I really like Stefanos as a tennis player. All the best. Take care.
I also think Novak is the GOAT as you have clearly explained everything in your video I can add 1 thing Novak maintains better Sportsman ship then compared to Rafa and Roger the way Novak shakes hand after his loss 😊
tennis is boring but i love it both nadal and djokovic are boring after39 years i caught my racket because i saw federer play tennis FEDERER IS LIKE JORDAN EVERYBODY WANT TO PLAY TENNIS LIKE FEDERER
Djokovic has the record of Grand Slam, ATP Finals, Masters 1000, Weeks at n°1 and a positive h2h ratio against Federer and Nadal. How is there still a debate ?
Novak is the GOAT even more outside the tenis..he is much more then tenis player,he have spine and principes..he is modern day Muhamed Ali..not like other two media marionete
Hi,thank you for the great video!:) Could you please post the name of the chill song that starts playing at 2 minutes and 30 seconds?i really like it but cant find it anywhere..
Djokovic is the best player of all time, there is no doubt about that. Federer is the GOAT for me as greatness is also earned outside of the court. Novak has 0 greatness and I am pretty sure that deep down he knows that. Too many outbursts, no class, boring playstyle and so many controversies.
The only reason that novak and nadal's head to head is close, is because novak would always get fer enough in the clay tournaments to face Nadal, and well nadal would beat him there ofc. But nadal was not as good on hard court or grass, so he did not get far enough in the hard court tohrnaments to face novak. If he did, novak would lead the head to head much more confidently. Nadal's last time beating novak on hardcourt was in 2013, novak beat nadal on clay in 2021...
Roger is the greatest tennis player that has ever lived. Just like Serena is better than Margaret, despite margaret has more slams. Just like Tiger is better than Jack despite Jack still has the all time record for majors.
Correction: Novak is no longer chasing Olympic gold. He's got it
Man just won Olympic gold
Oldest ever in tennis to win gold. That record gonna last for long long time for sure ❤
@@ramdafalenot just the oldest, the only one to do it without dropping a set. His tenacity is unshakeable
@@ramdafale He still has the poorest Olympic record out the Big Four. Though I do admire his latest Olympics run, impressive stuff.
@@calebp6114 not poor than Federer in singles at Olympics.
@@ramdafale Yes, I was including doubles. Djokovic ran out on his partner instead of playing the Bronze medal match last Olympics, which was terrible sportsmanship.
Tennis fans are free to like Roger Federer and me. However, you should not confuse your favorite player with the best player. The best player in world tennis history is NovakDjokovic.
- 22-time Grand Slam champion Rafael Nadal
If you're making the case that Novak Djokovic is not the best, it's likely based on emotion, not record.
- ANDY RODIC, Tennis Hall of Fame inductee
nice fake quote cloudstrife
Also greatest =/= best
they did NOT say that😂you bum
The discussion is over. It’s Djokovic, even his biggest rival Nadal said this.
but federer is still much more loved and bigger legend.
@@henkka8157 much more loved by westerners and salty people*. Djokovic is loved by many people and respected by even you haters. Federer did nothing for the sport except made millions from Rolex, thank you very much. GOAT Djokovic
@@miloraddjurdjic1695 cry more
@@henkka8157 nah, you should cry more
@@henkka8157 much more loved by whom? Also, it does not mean he is as good as Novak in tennis.
This is getting boring, for one, no matter how much Djokovic has proven himself, you people just won't give him what he deserve!!!
facts isn't based on your feelings!!
There is no discussion any more Novak is the goat.
Your right there is no discussion for 19 years already 😎
Zvonko majority are saying Novak is the GOAT backed by stats, head to head and GS titles.. please wake up to reality
Vocês só é um grande fã de Federer. Esqueceu quantas raquetes Federer quebrou! Para você Federer n tinha nenhum defeito. Na verdade era arrogante , pouca ética ( vide sua entrevista em 2011 quando perdeu o USOPEN para Nole) . Não vacinar e um direito de escolha. Agora , o Estado de Kansas está processando a Pfizer em relação a vacina da COVID 19.
@@BomBomm12345 I already dealt with your delusion 😎
No chance at all
People who say Federer and Nadal are confusing being a fan of a player with the facts. Djokovic is the best. Period
Period ? Federer is better period
So people can’t have a different opinion? Weird. 😂
hes not even better than Rafa@@gomriria2197
@@calebcrawford2520some opinions are just stupid.
No his not, Federer and Nadal are both better players then djokovic
Roger is the most gifted, Novak while not as gifted is a truly complete player. My favorite is Nadal, but as the numbers and slams roll in for Novak, I cannot deny that his GOAT claim becomes more solidified. Even so, I can only think of one tennis record that I can confidently say will likely never be broken.
112-3 at Roland Garros with a 97% win rate. No player has ever dominated a surface to such a degree like Rafa
Nadal is my guy but he’s got 4 loses not 3 at RG. Soderling, Djokovic X2 and Zverev
@@kevinreilly7924 you are right, my mistake
🐐broke Rafa in 2015 Roland Garros he hasn't been the same dodged the 🐐in 2016 Roland Garros
@@fg92626 😂 Novak is 8-2 against the Spaniard at RG. I guess you conveniently forgot that Nadal handled him in straight sets in the 2020 final.
@@Jp22rod lol even Zverev destroyed Rafa in first round of Roland Garros never happened with the 🐐
No need for any discussion... Novak is the GOAT
Sorry buddy, but this debate is forever SUBJECTIVE, based on one's personal opinion. I have not seen anyone play tennis better than Roger Federer, but I do understand why you side with Joker. All 3 have a case.....
@tigeranthony I can prove that your subjective opinion isn't important to you as you say. Watch me. Just remember how many times you were cheering every time Federer won titles, matches, sets, gems, even points. And how sad you were every time he lost. You know why? Because you know that winning is what matters. His elegant style wasn't enough for you to make you happy. So, clearly, you are just lying to yourself- "it's all about opinion, so it doesn't matter that he didn't win more than Djokovic". It matters to you. Your emotions prove it. Why else would you care about him winning if he is elegant and you think he's the goat? You need something else- wins! (Don't act like you don't care about him winning. I know you do! Look at crowd cheering when he wins. So there's no reason for you to be different).
You wrote ALL THAT and it didn't change MY opinion ONE BIT!. The fact that you're going out of your way to change my opinion tells me all I need to know.......All 3 have a case for The GOAT title my friend, for ME, it's Federer......
@@tigeranthony Then why do you cheer when Federer wins and why are you sad when he lose?
Djokovic is the most successful player but Federer will always be the GOAT. Most influential player.
Same with Michael Jordan. He’s the goat in basketball although he doesn’t has the most championships.
Respectfully to all of the greats, and I state this with no bias.
The greatest tennis player, male of female, is Novak Djokovic. He is also one of the greatest athletes in sports. Mentally one of the strongest champions.
Respectfully no hes not, Federer is, djokovic is most successfull player... respectfully
I tried to steer clear of the female goat angle as I have many thoughts here. This is debatable for sure!
@@Tennis_Served People who watch tennis know, for females its not Serena, its Agassi's better half
I'll have to do a video on that
@@Tennis_Served You should do that, im interested to see how many people actually watch tennis and comment, so far not many 🤣
If Novak capitalized on Federers age later in his career, then it must also be clarified that Roger capitalized on Novaks age early in his career, since Roger had a 4-0 lead agains him from 2006-07, while Novak wasn't even 20 and Roger was at his absolute peak.
After that early start however their next years were all 50-50, with each one getting wins and losses, coming to an end after 2011, where it was all Novak really.
It's also hard to say whether Roger or Novak is the greatest on grass, since Novak has 1 less Wimbledon while having a 4-1 record against Roger on the exact surface
And comparing Rogers 93% win rate for 4 years to Novaks in 2015 is one thing, but failing to mention that Novak did it in an era where Nadal, Murray, Wawrinka and of course Federer himself were all there while Rogers best competition was.....who exactly? That's another thing entirely
In terms of the h2h they met far more when Federer was in his mid to late 30s than they did when Novak was young. It's very even and Novak was exceptionally gifted and won his first gs early.
And Federer beat Novak in 2011 to end win streak and in 2012 at Wimbledon. Both years when Novak was in his prime and Federer was at the end of his.
The grass is no debate. Novak leads 3-1 not 4-1 but as I said when they both met closer to Rogers prime it was a normal day at the office for Federer on grass. The man was untouchable for 5 years and almost beat a much younger Novak aged 38. His losses were close except 1 but let's not pretend this was the same Federer from 2003-2009. He was in his mid to late 30s while still being exceptional at that age. Novak has just found out himself how difficult it is to do that and got demolished by a 21 year old. Does this make Alcaraz greater on grass than Novak...ofcourse not.
And people have short memories. Federer beat Sampras, ousted Agassi, had Safin, Nadal already winning majors. Roddick who is massively underrated (winning h2h with Novak, not that it means much) His competition was far harder than what Novak has faced the past 5 years where there has been a vacuum of major talent. Alcaraz and Sinner are the only ones to have stepped up really.
All this is not to diminish Novak, he's a freak and a machine and is rightly one of the 3 GOATS and the most successful player of all time. But Federer gets far too much disrespect and should be applauded for playing as long as he did which should not have tainted his career as it seems to have done in the eyes of so many.
@@MrSRA13 Federer changed many things in tennis in general, like the average age of retirement which was in most cases in the early 30s before him. The man was the absolute greatest for a time after all.
One thing that can't be said though is that he faced any "real" competition until Djokovic and Nadal matured to challenge him, which took a few years since theres an age difference unlike with Djokovic-Murray-Nadal which are all born within a year. Federer was a lone great surrounded by good/old players. I mean both Djokovic and Nadal beat Federer in a GS and won the title afterwards by the time they were both 20-21, something that most of his previous rivals couldn't do in their whole careers, so I don't put his competition beforehand in the same category as what would start coming after 2007.
Same way i wouldn't compare Djokovic playing against Berretinni to Djokovic surviving and somehow overcoming Federer in Wimbledon/Nadal in Rg, however it can't be denied that Alcaraz, Sinner, Medvedev, and other newer players are for the most part just better than people considered the best players in Federers era, which would be Safin, Roddick and Hewitt, since Agassi was very old (for that time) and Samprass played Federer only once. If not by number of titles or elo rating etc. then at least by the fact that they just came after the big 3 raised the bar all around.
@@Dimchek970 Yeah, but the fact a 37 year old Nole dominates the circuit so much despite having monsters 16 years younger than him practically eliminates the "age gap" excuse: Djokovic is only 6 years younger than Federer, whereas he is 16 years older than Alcaraz and Sinner and he keeps winning consistently against them. Federer lost to him not because Djokovic is younger, but because Djokovic is better.
@@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266 I agree
@@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266 10 years ago, Federer fans said that he was the GOAT because he was still great in his 30's and Nadal or Djokovic will never be as good when they will be old.
Now, Djokovic is better in his 30's than Federer was in his 30's but Federer's fans claim that it's only because of a weak opposition.
Numbers don't lie Djokovic is the best tennis player of all times by a huge margin .
They dont lie you just have to know what numbers you looking at 🤣
@@zvonkosolin8627 zvonko, popij lekove covece
@@ctt82need to explain in English to Zvonki the Fed fan boy
@@BomBomm12345 yeah I left a few comments in English as well, as he is spamming the comments section due to his mental condition. Novak lives rent free in Zvonko's sad mind :(
@@ctt82haha this Zvonki baby is still sleeping.. probably still dreaming about his Fed.. wait till he is awake he will bombard the replies
Fair enough let Fedal have the fans love as their Favs, while Novak has the undisputed GOAT 😂
Novak is undoubtedly the GOAT of tennis. Trust me this is coming from Federer fan.
But in terms of being influential across the globe, Roger’s aura is simply unmatched. Another factor is the bond which roger and rafa shared.
We should cherish the moments these big 3 gave us instead of going to conversation about who better or not. But we all know. Stats do not lie. Nobody is matching what Novak has achieved.
Novak djokovic The rejuvenated Serbian The Real Goat but huge huge respect to Rafa and Roger
No need to ask. Answer is already clear.
there are sports where its up for discussion, tennis is not one of them. Djokovic is the undisputed GOAT
The commentator said that "Djokovic will never be the Icon that Federer was or still is" 😂
This Federer GOAT argument is the weakest ever. Of course because the GOAT status has nothing to do with a popularity contest or pageant. Tennis and sports are about winning matches and achieving results, and have nothing to do with looking good whilst loosing to Djokovic.
But also, contrary to the quoted statement Djokovic is now a lot more popular than Federer in both China and India (which accounts for just half of the world).
Therefore even if this desperado approach was used to determine the GOAT, Djokovic would still win the vote, like he won the 24th slam and the gold medal, even after this video was made.
For the record, I am not a Djokovic Federer or Nadal fan but let's just be honest here. The GOAT of tennis is no longer a debatable subject due to Djokovic having almost all the records.
Você foi obrigado a dizer q Djokovic é o GOAT...sim ele é o GOAT . Nole é Lenda. Ponto final.
He forced me with his achievements
Goat is Novak, popular one is Federer , my favorite is Rafa❤❤
You're honest one!
Novak is the Ultimate GOAT..... of course Novak does not has Roger's smooth shots and Rafa's banana shots.... Even without all those shots he raised from Ordinary level to GOAT level. Also, Novak encourages & acknowledges opponents shots most of the time and never bad-mouth other players. Rafa (and Roger) they had the luxury of Money to choose Football or Tennis in there Career at age 8 BUT Novak born poor in war-torn country raised all the bar. Love Novak, such an inspiration 😍❤
Never bad-mouth opponents 😅, Nardi and Ben Shelton would like to disagree, just two recent examples😅. Djokovic down playing such young star players at his status doesn't do him any favours.
@@ioaninmihail6470 Watch Ben Shelton & Kotov Controversy, watch Fognini giving his peace of mind to Ben. In that match Ben was a kind of throwing balls at the end of the points towards Novak side. Nardi pulled out in last minute (it's legal) but usually it's annoying to do that.
Longevity at the highest level shouldn’t be the only criterion for determining the GOAT. Arguably Federal had the highest peak from 2004-2010. Djokovic had the longest peak. Sampras has the highest win percent, 89%, at the US Open and the second highest, 90%, at Wimbledon. Borg retired at 25 and has the highest at 92%.
Determining who is number two is more debatable than the GOAT.
For me it's simple, numbers dont lie, djoko most successful. Eyes also dont lie, federer most gifted, diverse, highest level reached.
Exaclly djokovic = most successfull career
Federer = greatest level of tennis play, dominance, skill, impact on the sport aka The G.O.A.T.
@@zvonkosolin8627Djokovics peak is higher, also djokovic dominance is more obvious. Federer has the edge on the aestethics of his game, but he's the 2nd best tennis player ever, and Rafa is the third
Rafa third because he's a one surface champ, and grinder, he's never deffended a slam on a surface that isn't clay.
@@miljann98 Djokovic prime was 2011-2015, 70-6 and 82-6 he played his best tennis durning that 5 year stretch, he won 9 GS titles, he manage to win 10 consecutive tournament finals and once he got to the number 1 spot he manage to hold it 122 consecutive weaks before he got dethroned, durning those 5 years 4 men were at the number 1 spot.
Federer prime was from 2004-2008, he played his best tennis durning that 5 year stretch, he won 12 GS titles, he accomplished greatest invincibility in history of the sport he won 24 consecutive tournament finals, once he got to number 1 spot he manage to hold it his entire prime 2004-2008 or 237 consecutive weaks, no man manage to reach number 1 other then Federer, no man, Federer has 2 back to back seasons that are better then any season djokovic ever played in his life, 2005, 81-4 and insane 2006, 92-5, Federer has played in 16/17 finals that 2006 season. So much for djokovic dominance or "peak" 😎. Also Federer is the Greatest player of all time, followed by Nadal second and djokovic would be 3rd even though Borg is for sure in conversation for 3rd
@@zvonkosolin8627 Zvonko, i don't have enough words to describe how delusional you are. 92-5 with 250s and 500s all over the place is a non factor for describing how "great" a season was. Only the total number of titles won and finals played in big tournaments and beating the most top 10 players. In 2015 Djokovic beat 31 top 10 players to win 6 Masters 1000 titles, 3 Grand Slams, play a Final of the 4th slam, and win ATP Tour Finals. Federer comes close with 2006, but is 2 full masters 1000 wins shy of Djokovic's feat.
Best seasons ranked look something like this:
1. 2015 Djokovic
2. 2006 Federer
3. 2011 Djokovic
4. 2007 Federer
5. 2023 Djokovic
But even so, in 2006 and 2007 Federer only had a Nadal on clay to worry about. In 2011 Djokovic faced Prime all surfaces Rafa, Prime Federer, on the cusp of Prime Murray, and many more hall of famers of tennis. Same in 2015
and so on...
and Fed has an inferior head to head against Novak and Nadal.. its like fighting in a boxing match how can Fed be better than Novak if he had been ko ed so many times.. not talking about a one off match or sample size but over a career of match ups of 50 times
Here after the Olympics, Novak is the GOAT undisputed
Im a federer fan. But this question is already answered. Novak is the goat and that's ok. Federer in second place nadal in third place.
It s not a matter of opinions. It s what it is
You got that wrong pal - Rafa is at 2nd followed by Federer at 3rd
I dunno. Who has outclassed the other more. I'd argue Fed outclassed Djok Djok just outlasted him. I love Brady but he outlasted everyone and clutch plays.
@lesgrossman8698 How?? Like half his wins are on one surface.
22 slams + 2 Golds = 24 >>> only 24 Slams. So you got the answer who is the GOAT.
@@healthylifehub8089 First of all Nadal has 1 Olympic singles gold , nobody is counting doubles , even the ATP says Nadal has 1 , Murray has 2 .
How many ATP Finals did Nadal win ? Novak won 7 , Roger 6 and Nadal a big fat potato , funny how you completely removed that as it wouldn't suit your agenda .
A slam is also superior to the Olympics - 7 BO5 vs 6 BO3 how can you even put them in the same tier ?
Roger Federer of 2000s, Novak of 2010s and Nadal of Clay. There isn't one you should respect over the other, but for some reason so called 'fans' have to disrespect one for another.
Being the GOAT is not only a matter numbers. Novak is a fucking legend and the most successful tennis player ever but to be greatest you have to leave another type of mark. Federer hitting impossible shots every game like no other player was able to do and watching him move so naturally on a tennis court was a joy to watch and it was unmatched. And it happens in other sports also. For some people Senna is the GOAT of F1 and for others is Schumacher even if Hamilton is the most successful one. Michael Jordan is the GOAT of basketball even though Bill Russell won more NBA championships. GOATs transcend their own sport on a level no one else was able to do and that's the case with Federer in tennis.
Being the GOAT in a single player sport is about two things- holding the major titles, and being no.1 ranked in the world. Tennis is lucrative in that the 4 GS have been the jewels of the sport since the 1950s and has been the main target for all tennis players of the modern era. NBA and F1 are team sports where the driver/player can make a difference but ultimately it is a team effort. You cannot make a GOAT argument based on feelings- Federer has not done anything to transcend tennis- he was heavily backed by the Nike/western european PR train since the early 2000s thinking that he will go clear in GS history. Unfortunately, for him, he came up against Nadal and Djokovic in the same era. The Goat in a single player sport is ONLY about the numbers...
@@chiller1017 "sport is about two things- holding the major titles, and being no.1 ranked in the world". That's why you are wrong. Where does it say that being the goat is about those two things you are mentioning? is there a rulebook i can read that has the rules to become the goat in tennis? does the ATP regulate the goat status? I think not and it is bacause the GOAT status is giving by the people based on preferences not on numbers alone
@@ivanmartinez3384 All you have to do is watch any interview from a tennis player (ranked and juniors), the dream is alway to win a grand slam, and be the world number 1. That is the ultimate goal for any player- do you disagree? The GOAT is different to your favourite player- Fed may be your favourite player but all the stats point to Djokovic. He is on top of GS, weeks at world number 1..what other metrics would you use other than "feelings"...ATP finals/Masters 1000, win/loss percentage, career grand slams, golden masters, head to head against the other two. Only one man tops the list, and it ain't fed....
@@chiller1017 But again going with the stats route. Already said and proved is not only a matter of stats in my original post. And that's why i said Novak is a fucking legend and the most successful tennis player but that doesnt make him the goat because that's a highly subjective thing and not only for me but for a majority of fans and players as well. And the fact that every time player dreams about winning grandslams and being number 1 doesnt even contradict with what i said, you are not making any point with that afirmation lol
@@ivanmartinez3384 My friend, you just said going with stats route is subjective??! Statistics are facts, completely objective! If every players ultimate goal is to win GS and be world number 1 which you agree with, and it is the pinnacle of the sport in terms of achievements, goals and so the greatest player will be synonymous with whoever is able to achieve the ultimate goal of the sport. You can say Fed is your favourite players based on feelings- that is subjective as you say. Ultimately on the court, Fed dominated the 2000s, but from 2010 onwards Djokovic took over and has been unmatched since...
You need singles Olympic Gold Medal for GOAT consideration. Once Novak has that, he is GOAT.
One thing that people forget is how short the grass season is. Imagine how much federer could have won... Every court has become slower, making it more suited towards rafa/novak
Agree it's a great point. Grass, indoor hard and carpet would favour federer alot more. Hard courts have been slowed down as well.
@@Tennis_Served Its actually a huge factor. In my opinion i felt like tennis was most fun around 2010 ish (The court speed). Not too fast or slow, perfect balance
So, more skill is needed when you are best at ground most people are used to.
@@Don-po8vl how is that an argument? Now you just deny the fact…
@@Mauruud my point is that more people play other surfaces so takes more skill to be dominant there and it is what it is grass season is shorter as it’s less common.
Djokovic imo hands down, not even a fan but what he’s done and continues to do will probably be unmatched or surpassed for a very long time. A human backboard
Top three had an amazing career in their unique way
Isnt it obvious already,...with Olympic gold under his belt, he s got it all.
If they are all in their primes and there are matches versus aliens these will be my representatives ;
Clay = Nadal
Hardcourt = Djokovic
Grass = Djokovic
I would have chosen Federer for grass but I can't knowing there is a player on earth that can beat him on the most important matches on earth.
This makes all the difference.
Thanks for watching. I remember Federer had 2 match points in his last Wimbledon final against Novak. It's crazy the small margins. But it's the margins that count!
@@Tennis_Served You forgot to mention Federer's age. The 1st time Djokovic could beat Federer was in the 2014 when Federer was already 33 and Djokovic was 27.
@@TheFalx Who asked Federer to play beyond 30 ?? 😂😂😂😂😂
And prime Federer almost lost to novice Nadal in 2007 Wimbledon and was outplayed in 2008 Wimbledon.
@@michael8597 That's what I am saying, Djokovic had a negative record vs Prime Federer, not Nadal. However, in the case of Nadal the thing is that Nadal found a way to heavily harm Federer with his super top spin on Federer's BH.
@@TheFalx Novak was a teenager when Federer had that favourable H2H.
Nadal craftily converted his clay court supremacy to all court dominance against Federer. Federer then had a big mental block against Nadal.
But Novak is the one who beat Nadal when he was world No 1 seven times consecutively between 2011 to 2012 in all major tournaments.
Its clear to anybody that federer and djokovic are most complete tennis players ever , their level is very high on all surfaces . Nadal is a step worse on surfaces like indoors and fast hard courts . Djokovic edges federer as a competitor mentally and physically . Djoko 1 federer 2 nadal 3
Novak is the undisputed GOAT !!
Il dispute it 😎, and hes not, Federer is
Well you can dispute , but all your arguments will be subjective. Statically and by all objective measures no1 beats Novak.
@@nik69583 Il give you statistic, but first you need to answer this question so i know who im talking to, someone who knows tennis or a fangirl 🤣... Who had greatest season ever played in tennis history?
@@zvonkosolin86272011 novack did
zvonko admit it dude Novak is the goat.. Fed cant even have a winning record against Novak or Nadal in a one on one contest.. this is not a team sport.. just admit it.. by majority here are saying Novak.. you are deluded.. might need to have your brain checked
Easy... Novak is the GOAT in the sport of Tennis.... Roger is the biggest brand of Tennis....
Federer, Messi, Jordan - they make you feel
Fedder XDDDDDD
Kinda weird that Novak won his Gold on his weakest surface, the clay , against the defending French Open Champion.
Very tough to decide who is the GOAT. All three are greats in their own merit
It really isn't that tough when 1 guy holds the majority of the most important records .
@@blabla-fw9ix Career success records, that have nothing to do with who is the best player that ever played 😎
@@zvonkosolin8627this is why you flip burgers at McDonald's
@@Dragoneen For sure, and you are cleaning the garbage once im done with it 😎
@@zvonkosolin8627 So how do you determine who is the best player then ?
Let me guess , your subjective eye test ?
Please tell me Federer isn't the best , the guy has a negative h2h against both of his biggest rivals , has a worse winning % than them , has worse records than Novak , its debatable with Nadal , so on what metric is he the best ?
It's Connors number one overall, then Fed, then it's Nadal on clay and Nole on hard courts.
Federer for me...just because of how he played the game,and the fact that grass was by far his best surface.
Most graceful player to ever play the game in my opinion.
If they were all in their prime, I'd pick Federer to come out on top.
All three are goats though!.
Please Novak has only benefited in absence of Rafa and Roger. Look at the records when all three were present please
Everyone will have their own personal preference but the undeniable fact is that based on success, statistics and records, which this argument should be based on, Djokovic is GOAT.
You already stated from the start you lean to Djoko so what's no bias.
…he compares the players, it’s not his fault the evidence leans to Novak.
Depends on if you base the Goat on longevity and who can break records, or if you base it on who has the highest level a human could ever play the game at their peak on a given day. For example, you could have an outstanding film producer who makes 5 award winning films and another who makes one award winning film that is the greatest film ever made, who would be the Goat?
The most delusional fans I have ever seen is tennis fans.I don't even follow tennis bit there is nothing to discuss, Novak is GOAT .Its not about your preferences its about statistic and statistic is clean as sunshine. CRAZY!
The problem is, anywhere you look, Djokovic is ahead of everyone else, with one or two exceptions.
If you add Roger and Rafa' s numbers, Djokovic ALONE accomplished more than 50% of what both of
them accomplished together.
Djokovic leads with 257 top 10 wins, which means he did not have it easy, as Rafael Nadal and Roger
Federer fans would like you to think.
Finally, Djokovic is a little better than anyone alive on two out of three surfaces-Novak is better than Roger on hard courts and clay, and Novak is better than Rafa on hard courts and grass.
Djokovic is also the only one who won more than 90 matches at all four GS, and has a win % higher than 80% on all three surfaces.
There is no one, dead or alive, who has a positive H2H against Djokovic if they played at least 10 matches against each other.
Novak has the greatest achievements as a tennis player. Federer IS Tennis.
😂
Fed is a girly betaboy choker 40-15
The only one who faced the other 2 in their peak is Rafa. And beat them in many occasions. He beat Federer to humiliation many times; he was the only one to menace him in his best (remember the 40-3 Federer season with 3 losses to RN); he beat the best grass player of all time in Wimbledon; he debunked the greatest dominance in tennis history till that moment; and he almost prevented the most talented player (RF) of all time to win all four slams. He beat Novak many times on hard and lost to him at RG only after the injuries, which took him off the court for many years of his career and put him in a condition of playing for a long time trying to return to a competitive form. The first to reach 21 slams, even far from the peak. Great advantage in h2h against RF and had a large advantage against Nole before the injuries. Still close to equal in h2h GS finals. Both Federer and Djokovic benefited from playing with less competition before 2007 and 2017, respectively. Rafa played against both of them from the beginning, with no gaps. He’s won the most, with less shots. Djoko benefited from 2 slams on hard and still couldn’t capitalize that much in NY to expand his lead. Many more Masters on hard. Rafa dominated in all kinds of clay courts. So statistically (cold data) Djoko is the undeniable GOAT, but if the analisis is a little bit deeper, it is arguable who was the best (not necessarily the greatest) or the greatest/most influential player. All of them have unique traits and strenghts which gave them the edge at some point.
My favourite player is Roger. But novak is the Best tennis player.
Federer was the Jordan of tennis any debate is pointless to say anything other is better than him isn’t right. They’re all great but without Federer they’d be no ND etc
That’s marketing. Even though I like Federer and Nadal more I think it’s Novak.
That's just you being a dishonest Fed fan. Tennis is not basketball. It's an individual sport where records mean everything and Novak has crushed Roger already in EVERY major record. There is no discussion. Roger may be the face of tennis and Rafa was great on clay but Novak is the greatest tennis player ever and it's not close.
You are making a pointless point if you think anyone is the goat but Djokovic.
By this logic, I can say that 1+1 is 3
Yes, Federer is Jordan of tennis, and Lebron is better than Jordan.
Djokovic the GOAT.
It's Federer, and that's the bottom line, because Stone cold says so.
How is Fed the goat with such lopsided head to head against Novak and Rafa
H2H is misleading. For instance, Fed only lost so many finals at RG coz he was good enough to get there in the first place. Nadal did not play as many times on grass vs Fed
Federer joined atp in 98, Nadal in 2001, djokovic in 2003, Federer is 6 years older by the time djokovic hit his prime, Federer was out of his, H2H would be valid if all started at the same time, but then again djokovic would not win anything 😎
Fed had it easy.. collecting titles against scrubs way before Nadal and Novak came into tour let alone fine peak form.. the argument that Fed is older is invalid.. imagine a young dude like Rafa and Novak facing a peak Fed when they just entered tour..
how can Fed be the goat when he cant even have a better head to head against Novak on all surfaces.. the argument on Fed being a old is invalid.. Fed was in his peak when Novak was starting out..
As for Nadal.. he defeated Fed on grass, hard courts in GS.. but Fed cant do the same to Rafa in French Open
@@BomBomm12345 Let me just demolish your nonsense 🤣, Federer faced 12 world number 1 players: Sampras, Agassi, Hewitt, Saffin, Roddick, Moya, Rafter, Kuerten, Juan Carlos Ferero, Nadal, Murray, djokovic, djokovic faced 6, Federer, Nadal, Murray, Medvedev, Alcaraz and Sinner
Facts dont care about anyone’s feelings
I know that you can't rewrite history but thing about this: the prime of roger is not 2004-2007. If you take away clay rafa, roger will have still 90% of win percentage until 2009 or 10 in all surface. I dont think that prime nole is better than prime federer. And besides that, nole used too much dirty tricks in the past to beat a not so old roger. Im piss with roger for let that happened
Thanks for watching. Yeh the Rafa factor on clay affected Roger not just on clay but his confidence on other surfaces vs Rafa. Wonder how it might've turned out if he won 1 or 2 early ones on clay against Rafa.
who did he beat in hi prime to call that his prime was the greatest just look even in his prime he has a loosing record against andy and rafa
@@AnkitMalviya-l1g andy Roddick?
2011 usa open. 2 sets done
Federer is the best in grass
Nadal is the best on clay
Novak is the best on hard court AND best all around on other surfaces, making him the GOAT
Even in grass it's debatable since Federer lost three Wimbledon finals against Djokovic .
Federer is always the best in grass, hard courts, indoor, outdoor courts by a large margin compared to other players. Distant second will be sampras , third will be Novak . Nadal will always be the best only in clay surface. All other surfaces in this earth he is at a very far distant compared to many players. Nadal is basically a standard clay court player
Greatest Of All time=Djokovic
Best Of All time:Federer
Neither Federer, nor Nadal could touch prime Nole except on clay. Apart from clay, for every surface, Nole was best!
I love federer. He's my favourite tennis player cuz he's so fun to watch. But prime Nole would wipe the floor with him!
It's not about who was prettier to watch or won more titles. It was who was the more skilled and gifted player. And that was Nole. Fortunately he has the numbers to back it up so the "European gentlemen" club can stfu! Nole was Federer with a better backhand.
I think if they had the carpet and really fast hard courts around Federer prime would be up there with Nole
Nadal is by far the best tennis player of all time on clay
I guess those hard court wins Fed had dont count, or wimbledon 2012, and maybe US Open 2011 the match point thing , or wimbledon 2019 the match point or even 2015 US OPEN where Novak won 1 more point the whole match and Fed was abysmall on break points, i guess it was walk in the park for Novak who mostly beat Fed in a war of attrition(soon as match came close to 3 hours or past it Novak would win 90% of the time)
I personally think it was Novak's mental strength that edged him ahead of Federer , in 3 slam meetings he saved 2 match points and won 2 of those slams , that is what sealed it for Roger . Their rivalry is very close but Novak's mental strength and endurance prevailed .
@@blabla-fw9ix mentality and fitness, 2-3 points with different outcome and we would have much different history, and also the fact most of Novak wins came in deciding sets (and many times tie breaks where his mentality would once again shine). Fed was almost always the better player(apart from AO matches) for the first ~70-90 min and then it was mostly Novak who was better
Who is behind this GOAT thing anyway?
The greatest of all time category has many ways of calculating so it's all quite subjective
Statistic
Com o ouro olímpico em Paris numa final HISTÓRICA e IMPRESSIONANTE contra o Alcaraz, o debate acabou.
There's no use explaining anything to fedal fans. They won't accept anyone else as goat except fedal no matter how objectively you justify novak's case. But i guess we don't need their agreement to know who truly is the goat.
The same can be said to Novak fans. The debate is toxic now. So much unnecessary disrespect for 3 incredible champions. 3 GOATS than imo have all contributed. Novak is the most successful. Federer had the highest standard. Rafa the most dominant on a surface.
Roger is the greatest of all time.
Simple reason:If Novak was from England or UK or switzerland he would be the GOAT for eveyrone...but hes from Serbia thats why people dont think hes the GOAT
Absolutely NO DEBATE here. People that's why we are leading sport statistic. Numbers don't have feelings.
Novak is not my favorite player (Sampras is) but Novak numbers are incredible and unrealistic.
Federer is close friend with main mass media editors.
When Sampras has retired he left tennis and made space for the new leader Roger. He hardly went to any master tournament let alone GS. And what is Roger doing? He is retired but in a way not so. He is on every GS , he makes Netflix, Never publicly congratulate to Novak for his 23 GS or more fresh for his Olympic achievment ... For me he is a sore loser who can't accept the fact that his records are all broke by Novak . So tell me where i m not telling the true here???
Federer is built for tennis he's done amazing things in a flashy way! And playing risky and low percentage tennis it makes thing even harder! ❤
This was a really well made video bro. I consider my tennis knowledge on the big 3 better than just about anyone. You had some great points that I hadn’t thought of for them all. Well done. Subscribed
Thanks so much. Appreciate the kind words.
Nadal is the goat he has the best head to head in grand slams. People love to criticise Nadal for winning at French Open but clay is 1 grand slam and hard court is two yet Nadal has the same amount of US Opens as Djokovic.
He also has 1/5 of Novak's AO and 5 less wimbledon than him 😂😂
Great stuff ! I'm going to prepare such analysis in pool billiards. Where judging who is GOAT is not as easy as in tennis.
Thanks for the comment 👍
Nole is the greatest, but his peak on any given day is probably below that of Roger/Rafa
LOL, I don't think that even you believe that... 2015/16 Novak was a tennis robot. Rafa himself said that it was the highest level of tennis ever. 16950 points, etc.
😂 It's easy to find brainless whining Roger rafa fans😂
So, since he won, confess that Novak is the goat! Don't come out with another lame excuse.
For me novak is the goat but i still feel if rafa was not injured so many times rafa would of win more slams he could beat anybody when he is fit for a player who had so many injuries and had to sit out so many slams he is definitely my goat as fot federer he would of win more grandslams to if he did not retire due to injury cause federer would of destroyed this younger generation people have to understand federer can beat anybody but my goat is rafa
Nadal is the goat
If Djokovic wins an Olympic medal this year, I have no idea how anyone can justify him not being the GOAT. Somehow people think that 20 is a higher number then 24 😂😂😂
Trust me...they will come out with something else!
Best Allrounder and most titles: Novak
Best Claycourt player and warrior spirit: Nadal
Best Grasscourt player and most elegant player: Federer
Together they are GOATS, decide which kind of style you prefer most, thanks for reading.
The funny thing about Bathroombreakovic fans is that, if given the opportunity to magically copy all of Mole's or Federer strokes, they would 100% choose Fed's unless they're completely living in denial. Not only are Fed's strokes more aesthetic, but they're much, much more effective. Just another reason why Federer is the GOAT. Let's see how the Bathroombreakovic fans cope with this one 🤣
hahahahahaha. yes you take the aesthetic strokes and we take the titles and records.
@@NoName-eq5oy Exactly , I mean he can like Federer more if he wants but by the numbers Novak is the clear GOAT .
I love Federer and started watching Tennis because of him in 2008 against Rafa in Wimbledon but for me, it's Novak. I didn't watch pre 2008 Federer so I don't know how good young Federer was tho.
Thanks for watching and commenting. The wimby 2008 final was so good 👍 I even made a video about it. Young Feds was a beast, if you get a chance to watch some highlights against Agassi and Sampras
Federer had 8 easy slams beating the likes of roddick, mark phi, Hewitt, Marcos baghdatis
Roddick has a superior h2h vs Novak
Federer raise to the top was going through : Sampras, Agassi, Hewitt, Roddick, Saffin, Rafter, Moya, Kuerten, Juan Carlos Ferero, Nadal, Murray, djokovic 😎
@@moluther2826before 2010 where novak was not in form
@@hassanbasma3819 his own fault that, Nadal is only a year older and was winning slams on the regular back then.
yeah that period where federer won all his slams had the least amount of competition in history all the greats retired easy pickings
Rafael is the greatest of all time 🇪🇸🌍
King of Clay, but 2nd to Federer who is The G.O.A.T.
@@zvonkosolin8627Thirderer got to play unseeded players in a final yet still have less GS 😂😂
@@vijayla21 Federer played against 12 former world number 1 players and he got to play who ever was good enough to earn their spot in the final... and he won, he was so good at the start of his career that in his first 7 grandslam final appearances he WON 7, 7/7 only man to do so, little Alcaraz has done 4/4 so far.... little djokovic lost hes first final 🤣, that maked him 0/1 🤣
@@zvonkosolin8627 Are you that desperate to cherrypick useless stats? 😂😂. Half of these number 1 didnt even meet Federer more than once and are near retirement. Here’ a fun fact, in AO 04, 13/32 seeds were eliminated in the first round including the top 2 seeds, the great number 1 you were talkimg about Kuerten and Hewitt 🤣🤣🤣
@@vijayla21 Seems to me you are the desperate one, dissrespecting players, picking who is and who is not world number 1 🤣🤦♂️, FACT is Federer DID play against monster competition AND he DID play against who ever earned their spot in the final and he beat them all, unlike djokovic who faced only 3 world number 1 players 90% of his career and Alcaraz Medvedev and Sinner just last few years, that is 12 - 6 😎, FACTS 💯. Being invincible aint no useless stat, its indication of greatness, in case you dont know 😎. I can burry you with numbers of Federer greatness and being Greatest player of all time, your head would spin for a month 🤣. Here is a little spin for your head... Nalbandian who was NEVER world number 1, is better then most players today that djokovic plays today 😎, he beat FEDERER in his prime, Nadal in his prime and djokovic in the same tournanent to win it 😎
Djokovic should win against two opponents simultaneously to prove himself the GOAT
I haven't paid attention to lately but Novak didn't win all these grand slams when it counted - when he was young and Roger was in his prime.
Well, Roger didn't win majority of his grand slams when Nole and Rafa were in their peaks, so.... And if Soderling didn't def Nadal at the 2009 FO he would never win it.
I guess that's why he defeated him in three Wimbledon finals ?
3 slam in 2015 and 2011. He was under 30 years old
Đoković obviously. Didn't need the Olympic gold to confirm this
I know this “debate” isn’t exclusive to tennis, but I’m tired of it. Why can’t we just appreciate all three guys? Statistically, Novak is the greatest. No questions asked. But are numbers the only thing that defines being the greatest? In the sport of boxing, for example, Ali is seen as the greatest, even though there are other fighters, like Mayweather, who have a better record inside the ring. How do we characterize the emotion that a player elicits from you? How do we characterize the impact a player has had on the game? How do we characterize the impact a player has had on sport culture? If the GOAT is only defined by what happens between the lines, then I concede it’s Novak. But if there are other factors that are used, then I can make an argument for both Roger and Rafa. However, the vitriol that I see in the forums and on social media platforms from fans of all three needs to stop. All three of these guys should be celebrated, because we won’t have the last two (Novak/Rafa) for much longer.
Thanks for commenting. Very insightful.
In my opinion S. Tsitsipas is the greatest. My opinion is the most important to me. So what if he never won any grand slam. My feelings are the measure for the greatness. Titles and records don't mean anything. If Stefanos starts winning majors then those titles will mean something. I don't know why Im replying to you, but it doesn't even matter. I can reply to whom ever I want. Stefanos is god!!
@@IvanofBulgaria you clearly missed the point…
@@POK2008 Of course I did. I agree with you. That is why I even said: I don't know why I replied to you. I guess I agree with your " essay" on this topic. I also agree that is becoming tiring. One more thing: I just wanted "world" on yt to now I really like Stefanos as a tennis player. All the best. Take care.
Sampras
I also think Novak is the GOAT as you have clearly explained everything in your video I can add 1 thing Novak maintains better Sportsman ship then compared to Rafa and Roger the way Novak shakes hand after his loss 😊
Thanks for watching!
tennis is boring but i love it both nadal and djokovic are boring after39 years i caught my racket because i saw federer play tennis FEDERER IS LIKE JORDAN EVERYBODY WANT TO PLAY TENNIS LIKE FEDERER
Then, Sampras is mine because I started playing after watching him. Both can "slice" the ball, you know. :0)
Roger has 6 AOs my friend
Well said, could't leave a better conclusion honestly
Thanks for watching. Appreciate the comment.
After he got Olympic gold its game over fur sure.
Djokovic has the record of Grand Slam, ATP Finals, Masters 1000, Weeks at n°1 and a positive h2h ratio against Federer and Nadal. How is there still a debate ?
ROGER FEDERET. TIME WILL KNOW
1. novak
2. rafa
3. roger
Novak is the GOAT even more outside the tenis..he is much more then tenis player,he have spine and principes..he is modern day Muhamed Ali..not like other two media marionete
Novak has the better numbers there's no arguing to that but he is not the best player ever that would be Rodger. Sorry not sorry
you should be sorry that you said that! i am not sorry to point out your sorry rambling!
Hi,thank you for the great video!:) Could you please post the name of the chill song that starts playing at 2 minutes and 30 seconds?i really like it but cant find it anywhere..
Hi, Thanks for watching and commenting. I use Capcut the audio at 2.30 is called Relaxing Chill Background Music by NANA if you search there.
Djokovic is the best player of all time, there is no doubt about that. Federer is the GOAT for me as greatness is also earned outside of the court. Novak has 0 greatness and I am pretty sure that deep down he knows that. Too many outbursts, no class, boring playstyle and so many controversies.
The only reason that novak and nadal's head to head is close, is because novak would always get fer enough in the clay tournaments to face Nadal, and well nadal would beat him there ofc. But nadal was not as good on hard court or grass, so he did not get far enough in the hard court tohrnaments to face novak. If he did, novak would lead the head to head much more confidently. Nadal's last time beating novak on hardcourt was in 2013, novak beat nadal on clay in 2021...
In 2024 (Olympics)
@@changeisinevitable3040 yeah, but that one barely counts in my opinion. Nadal should've retired by now
federer is my fave of the 3 but gotta give it to novak by now
All 3
Roger is the greatest tennis player that has ever lived. Just like Serena is better than Margaret, despite margaret has more slams. Just like Tiger is better than Jack despite Jack still has the all time record for majors.
Michael Phelps has the record, and hes the GOAT.
Imagine still asking this question