So Ive stripped down to the bare wall ,so you reccomend getting the thermal paper on 1st and then a lining paper over the thermal a few days later? I was going to put a lining paper on the bear wall first and then a thermal paper ovwr that to finish. 🤔
I used this in my built in damp wardrobe due too condensation running down the walls in the winter months. No more wet walls and it wall isn’t cold anymore. Brilliant stuff!! Thanks for the video
The wall you touch isn’t cold but the bit behind that will be and if you haven’t got a vapour control layer or reduced the humidity then the damp you used to get will be condensing there where you can’t see it. Hopefully not but vapour does travel through some insulation.
You really have to handle this stuff with great care to stop it cracking, especially at the last part of the roll, it cracks easily and does actually show. I ended up not using the last 12inches or so, a bit of a waste really. The walls are much more insulated and you can tell the difference, however...the slightest knock, or if you lean anything up against the insulation you get an indentation on it's surface and it easily punctures/tears. If you don't have kids running around! It will be fine.
Thanks for your videos Phil. The coldest wall in our bungalow is in our bedroom and condensation is naturally drawn to that wall, and then black mould grows. I see you’ve used both this liner and the wall rock dampstop and also wallrock thermal liner, so from your experience which do you think would be best for our wall please? PS wall in question is almost completely hidden by large wardrobes, so won’t actually be seen ! Cheers
hi. if you haven't a damp/staining problem, you don't need the dampstop the insulation graphite+ is a better option. then line over with wallrock fibre lining... then I'd paint with Glixtone paint... have you watched that video yet?
I remember using it in the 70's Kotina I think it was called , thin polystyrene on a roll ! With the polystyrene tiles on the ceiling! Yikes what we're we thinking! lol
Morning Phil, glad I discovered this vlog, I never knew this stuff existed, I will definitely be getting a roll to do our little porch from our living room to the front door, is it possible to get a smaller tub of the adhesive as I wouldn't need anything as big as the tub you needed or is there an alternative glue I can use?. Are you doing another vlog finishing off that room with wallpaper?. Keep up the great vlogs Many thanks Steve H
@@ProfessionalPainterDecoratorthank you. I'll start today n hoping to do fibreliner next weekend. Thank you for great video. Gave me some confidence I can do it ☺️
Great video easy to follow, wallrock also do the KV600 is there much difference as confused between to the 2, I will be hanging on a paitined wall and will be painting after. Thanks
Hi Phil, Im going to use Red label insulating lining paper 10m single ! When i put lining paper on top of insulating paper can i get away with using Wallpaper paste..
That's the normal one without he 'paper' surface that the Graphite+ has? You really need to use the correct WallRock adhesive to hang it... as it will stick best to the polystyrene, like wise.. going over the polystyrene you would use the same adhesive.. as you need it to stick to the sy=surface again. REMEMBER.. you'll need to wait 48hrs before you line over the top. Always read the instruction ;)
How much heat retention does this stuff actually provide. I guess the only way of testing it would be to monitor the drop in temperature in degrees over say a 5 hour time frame prior to papering the room then doing the same after the room has had the insulation added. Anyone tested it?
What’s the difference between this product and the wallrock thermal kv600? Is the quality similar as the price difference is quite big as they are both 4mm?
About £100 a roll difference... But you do get more on a roll. If you read the spec you'd think very similar in what they do. The kv600 seems to be aimed more at keeping warms in. Than keeping the cold out. If that can make sense. www.erfurtmav.com/erfurt-mav-wallpaper-products/wallrock/wallrock-thermal-liner-kv600
You mention you are using lining paper over this and painting. I am looking to wallpaper over mine. Can I wallpaper straight over the top of this stuff?
thanks , question I have just wallrock smooth lining paper on the wall could you go straight over the lining paper before popping insulating Lining Paper on
Don’t know why you ended up in my feed. Weird. I do watch some UK people but not related to painting. Wall paper seems to still be so popular in the UK. not so much in the US. And insulated paper for those older heat inefficient brick or stucco homes seems very helpful indeed. But the biggest takeaway here is how much you look like Ricky Gervais…Wow!
Hi Phil, so I’ve now bought this thermaline graphite + and will be putting it up, you mention it doesn’t but up easy so on the verticals am I to fill these areas and caulk the edges? Also looking to cross line with 100mm fibre line after but concerned that you may see the verticals line from the thermaline - any ideas mate? Also and I should know this but where I put 1400 grade lining which has been removed would you say I need to Garda it for porosity purposes as the wall appears very porous and concerned it may draw in the paste causing it to fail when the thermaline is put up?
you can use the gardz to prime over the walls.. remember you'll be applying the paste to the wall anyway, so apply enough on... you're using the correct matching adhesive which is very good... when you fill the joints.. use a light weight tub filler like i use, it does fill the joints well.. caulk the corners like it did too. word of warning... don't use a blade to cut through the fibre lining, as you will cut into the insultating lining, which you don't want to do incase it comes away from the wall. mark with a pencil and cut neat with shears... if you cut too much and leaves a bigger gap.. fine skim them out before painting. ring me if you get stuck
You can do, but it's not essential with this. I used yellow top Albany for the reinforced lining. If you were using Damp Stop, you need to use the damp stop adhesive for the damp stop and the lining over the top.
@davidkoch563 make sure the adhesive used for hanging graphite plus is the correct one and make sure it thick... And not gone thin and watery. If it has, send it back.
I'm using dampstop next week...usually use 3 in 1 but absolutely had enough of it....not the best stuff to use. Phil have you ever taken a room temp reading before and after using polyliner?
What about a lining paper that keeps temperature down in warm months? Im guessing any lining paper should do the trick? Im clueless,we no nothing of papering here in the US It’s very strange actually that we don’t have more customers asking for paper Im in Cali
Hi Phil, My front wall under the bay window gets too cold in winter and mould aslo builts up. From your experience is this insulating lining paper graphite+ is good. Does it stop cold and mould? Can i paste it on the wall having standard matt emulsion paint and after pasting the lining paper can i paint matt emulsion paint to match the same colour as rest of the room or do i need to paste another lining paper ?
Follow my instructions for hanging it.. l AVE 48hrs before you hang the reinforced lining over it. If you suffer from mould... Look at using Zinsser PermaWhite or Glixtone paint,that will help for the mould.
No you clean you wall first use dryzone mould killer.. then wait 24 hours and then pva the wall and let dry before fitting the wall Rock using adhesive. Zinsser is to be applied on top of the wall rock paper not under it.
Ok thanks just trying to save time as this involves moving items from one room to another and visa versa so bit chicken/egg situation and save money too for this part of the room that won't be seen cos of the floor cupboards
Please help. I’ve just bought a house and have been stripping the wallpaper in preparation for painting. Under the wallpaper on some of the walls is this stuff, or something a lot like it. Some of it has the paper surface, some of it is just the bare dark grey polystyrene. I’d like to keep it on, but how do I paint over it? Lining paper then paint? Will the lining paper stick to the bare polystyrene? The wallpaper had come loose in places and came away from it very easily in one piece, so I’m a bit concerned my lining paper will do the same. Are there other options? I’ve only ever done basic painting before, so I’m a bit out of my depth. Thanks.
hi. If you need to replace what you've removed... this is the video for you to watch a few times then do it yourself. The Graphite Plus is a really good product. You can then line over it. With our older style product, you can line over it, but you TUB paste ready mixed, Like Albany Yellow lid paste, from brewers, it will serve you well for 98% of any wallpapering you'll do.
THERE NO GETTING AWAY FROM IT. THIS DOES NOT CUT WITH NEAT SHARP EDGES. Tip for you based on your quote above. It does cut neat with sharp edges and can be trimmed to perfection if you hang it as a fragile 4mm thick polystyrene, non absorbent laminate and not try to hang it as a 0.35mm thick standard absorbent wallcovering that's 12 times thinner. A fragile 4mm polystyrene covering requires an entirely different hanging trimming and pasting method to one that is employed to hang standard thickness absorbent wallcoverings.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator there are paint additives you can buy that have so called ' insulating properties'. The jury is out on whether they work or not
Wrong......the wallpaper doesn't give ANY warmth.....it stops the cold coming through the wall. That's all. Please pay attention to what you are saying in these video's.
does the room feel warmer than it did before .... yep. Having been back to the same job only last week, I can tell you it was noticeable, walking into the room.
Although I totally agree with where you are coming from. The reality is that the laws of thermodynamics tell us that at the macro level energy flows from hot to cold. The cold is not coming in, the heat is escaping. The wall will feel cold if the rate of heat loss is greater than the rate the heating can warm the walls.
I can remember using the older stuff you mentioned. Messy stuff. Haven’t used this one but I bet it’s easier to some degree.
Kotina...what a nightmare that was 😔
The old stuff was horrendous....using it was like peeing in the wind
So Ive stripped down to the bare wall ,so you reccomend getting the thermal paper on 1st and then a lining paper over the thermal a few days later? I was going to put a lining paper on the bear wall first and then a thermal paper ovwr that to finish. 🤔
I used this in my built in damp wardrobe due too condensation running down the walls in the winter months. No more wet walls and it wall isn’t cold anymore. Brilliant stuff!! Thanks for the video
Thanks for sharing!
The wall you touch isn’t cold but the bit behind that will be and if you haven’t got a vapour control layer or reduced the humidity then the damp you used to get will be condensing there where you can’t see it.
Hopefully not but vapour does travel through some insulation.
You really have to handle this stuff with great care to stop it cracking, especially at the last part of the roll, it cracks easily and does actually show. I ended up not using the last 12inches or so, a bit of a waste really. The walls are much more insulated and you can tell the difference, however...the slightest knock, or if you lean anything up against the insulation you get an indentation on it's surface and it easily punctures/tears. If you don't have kids running around! It will be fine.
Did you use Fibre lining over the top for extra protection?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Yes, I did everything by the book, but you can't stop the indentations to the surface if it get knocked.
Brilliant product Phil. Used it in our cold solid walled bungalow. Jobs a good un 👌
Great to hear!
I find these coverings also help deaden the sound in a room that may have a bit of an 'echo'
Very well presented Phil
Amazing video tutorial thank you for the insight of this product and it benefits and how to apply.
thank you
Thanks for your videos Phil. The coldest wall in our bungalow is in our bedroom and condensation is naturally drawn to that wall, and then black mould grows.
I see you’ve used both this liner and the wall rock dampstop and also wallrock thermal liner, so from your experience which do you think would be best for our wall please?
PS wall in question is almost completely hidden by large wardrobes, so won’t actually be seen !
Cheers
hi. if you haven't a damp/staining problem, you don't need the dampstop
the insulation graphite+ is a better option. then line over with wallrock fibre lining... then I'd paint with Glixtone paint... have you watched that video yet?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator many thanks,
I remember using it in the 70's Kotina I think it was called , thin polystyrene on a roll ! With the polystyrene tiles on the ceiling! Yikes what we're we thinking! lol
Isn't that interesting -- the words that just float up to the tip of our tongue, from waaaaaay back?
great stuff
Morning Phil, glad I discovered this vlog, I never knew this stuff existed, I will definitely be getting a roll to do our little porch from our living room to the front door, is it possible to get a smaller tub of the adhesive as I wouldn't need anything as big as the tub you needed or is there an alternative glue I can use?. Are you doing another vlog finishing off that room with wallpaper?.
Keep up the great vlogs
Many thanks Steve H
No more videos and no this room.
There are plenty of videos I've done on lining with WallRock or reinforced lining paper.
:)
Thanks phil will be using this on cold north facing bedroom wall.Look forward to some heat improvement in the room.Good video,tvm
Glad to help
In instructions it says if using with fireliner it is essential to apply with reinforced side facing the wall. Does it mean with grey side on view?
call it the paper side, not the way I hung it... which was the polystyrene side to the wall
@@ProfessionalPainterDecoratorthank you. I'll start today n hoping to do fibreliner next weekend. Thank you for great video. Gave me some confidence I can do it ☺️
Great video easy to follow, wallrock also do the KV600 is there much difference as confused between to the 2, I will be hanging on a paitined wall and will be painting after. Thanks
Glad it was helpful! Price...check how much it is.
Hi Phil
I am looking to use Mav Graphite Plus Insulating Lining Paper and can i use this in my Bathroom & Kitchen .
Many Thanks
Roy
just like plasterers do on plaster board... nice and flat...
Hi Phil,
Im going to use Red label insulating lining paper 10m single !
When i put lining paper on top of insulating paper can i get away with using
Wallpaper paste..
That's the normal one without he 'paper' surface that the Graphite+ has?
You really need to use the correct WallRock adhesive to hang it... as it will stick best to the polystyrene, like wise.. going over the polystyrene you would use the same adhesive.. as you need it to stick to the sy=surface again.
REMEMBER.. you'll need to wait 48hrs before you line over the top.
Always read the instruction ;)
Hi Phil,
This Red Label Lining paper I bought
Has polystyrene one side and lining
Paper (looking) on other side which faces into the room..
if thats the case, you can line over the top. use tub paste.
I'd still use wallrock fibre linging Smooth over it though to make a strong surface
How much heat retention does this stuff actually provide. I guess the only way of testing it would be to monitor the drop in temperature in degrees over say a 5 hour time frame prior to papering the room then doing the same after the room has had the insulation added. Anyone tested it?
It'll be better than having nothing. You could always contact Erfurt to get any technical specs.
What’s the difference between this product and the wallrock thermal kv600? Is the quality similar as the price difference is quite big as they are both 4mm?
About £100 a roll difference... But you do get more on a roll.
If you read the spec you'd think very similar in what they do.
The kv600 seems to be aimed more at keeping warms in. Than keeping the cold out.
If that can make sense.
www.erfurtmav.com/erfurt-mav-wallpaper-products/wallrock/wallrock-thermal-liner-kv600
You mention you are using lining paper over this and painting. I am looking to wallpaper over mine. Can I wallpaper straight over the top of this stuff?
For best results, line over it with WallRock... Or like I did with Albany reinforced liningbaper. Then wallpaper as normal.
thanks , question I have just wallrock smooth lining paper on the wall could you go straight over the lining paper before popping insulating Lining Paper on
If it's on well, yes. If it's not, stripl the wall rock off, it'll come off easy.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator thanks
Don’t know why you ended up in my feed. Weird. I do watch some UK people but not related to painting. Wall paper seems to still be so popular in the UK. not so much in the US. And insulated paper for those older heat inefficient brick or stucco homes seems very helpful indeed. But the biggest takeaway here is how much you look like Ricky Gervais…Wow!
lol keep watching more of my stuff.... i need to keep in your feed lol
What is the method for dealing with window areas?
In what way, condensation?
How do you go around an external corner? Do you wrap it around or just cut and butt it on the corner seam?
you can't wrap th estuff. just cut it neat to the corner.
Hi Phil, so I’ve now bought this thermaline graphite + and will be putting it up, you mention it doesn’t but up easy so on the verticals am I to fill these areas and caulk the edges? Also looking to cross line with 100mm fibre line after but concerned that you may see the verticals line from the thermaline - any ideas mate?
Also and I should know this but where I put 1400 grade lining which has been removed would you say I need to Garda it for porosity purposes as the wall appears very porous and concerned it may draw in the paste causing it to fail when the thermaline is put up?
you can use the gardz to prime over the walls.. remember you'll be applying the paste to the wall anyway, so apply enough on... you're using the correct matching adhesive which is very good...
when you fill the joints.. use a light weight tub filler like i use, it does fill the joints well.. caulk the corners like it did too.
word of warning... don't use a blade to cut through the fibre lining, as you will cut into the insultating lining, which you don't want to do incase it comes away from the wall.
mark with a pencil and cut neat with shears... if you cut too much and leaves a bigger gap.. fine skim them out before painting.
ring me if you get stuck
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator cheers Phil 👍
Hi Phil, how long did you leave this before filling the gaps? Did mine last night and need to fill the areas as you mention..
@@kenneb04 next day. Once it's done. It's a stable product, so won't be going anywhere once it's on the wall.
So did you use the thermal adhesive/paste to hang the lining paper aswell
You can do, but it's not essential with this. I used yellow top Albany for the reinforced lining.
If you were using Damp Stop, you need to use the damp stop adhesive for the damp stop and the lining over the top.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator that’s exactly what I’ve got in the van aswell yellow top Albany 👍
@davidkoch563 make sure the adhesive used for hanging graphite plus is the correct one and make sure it thick... And not gone thin and watery. If it has, send it back.
I'm using dampstop next week...usually use 3 in 1 but absolutely had enough of it....not the best stuff to use.
Phil have you ever taken a room temp reading before and after using polyliner?
Hellova difference
What about a lining paper that keeps temperature down in warm months?
Im guessing any lining paper should do the trick?
Im clueless,we no nothing of papering here in the US
It’s very strange actually that we don’t have more customers asking for paper
Im in Cali
I bet you're limited to who can hang wallpaper in the USA, as I don't thenk many have it?
Hi Phil,
My front wall under the bay window gets too cold in winter and mould aslo builts up. From your experience is this insulating lining paper graphite+ is good. Does it stop cold and mould?
Can i paste it on the wall having standard matt emulsion paint and after pasting the lining paper can i paint matt emulsion paint to match the same colour as rest of the room or do i need to paste another lining paper ?
Follow my instructions for hanging it.. l AVE 48hrs before you hang the reinforced lining over it.
If you suffer from mould... Look at using Zinsser PermaWhite or Glixtone paint,that will help for the mould.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator so do I have to paint Zinnser first on the wallnand then paste the insulating lining paper?
No you clean you wall first use dryzone mould killer.. then wait 24 hours and then pva the wall and let dry before fitting the wall Rock using adhesive. Zinsser is to be applied on top of the wall rock paper not under it.
Do i need to over line the graphite + thats behind the fitted cupboards as the wall under worktop obv cant be seen at all?
up to you.
lining over it gives you a better base to paint on and keep the graphite+ together... and like an extra line of insulation :)
Ok thanks just trying to save time as this involves moving items from one room to another and visa versa so bit chicken/egg situation and save money too for this part of the room that won't be seen cos of the floor cupboards
Please help. I’ve just bought a house and have been stripping the wallpaper in preparation for painting. Under the wallpaper on some of the walls is this stuff, or something a lot like it. Some of it has the paper surface, some of it is just the bare dark grey polystyrene. I’d like to keep it on, but how do I paint over it? Lining paper then paint? Will the lining paper stick to the bare polystyrene? The wallpaper had come loose in places and came away from it very easily in one piece, so I’m a bit concerned my lining paper will do the same. Are there other options? I’ve only ever done basic painting before, so I’m a bit out of my depth. Thanks.
hi.
If you need to replace what you've removed... this is the video for you to watch a few times then do it yourself. The Graphite Plus is a really good product. You can then line over it.
With our older style product, you can line over it, but you TUB paste ready mixed, Like Albany Yellow lid paste, from brewers, it will serve you well for 98% of any wallpapering you'll do.
THERE NO GETTING AWAY FROM IT. THIS DOES NOT CUT WITH NEAT SHARP EDGES.
Tip for you based on your quote above. It does cut neat with sharp edges and can be trimmed to perfection if you hang it as a fragile 4mm thick polystyrene, non absorbent laminate and not try to hang it as a 0.35mm thick standard absorbent wallcovering that's 12 times thinner. A fragile 4mm polystyrene covering requires an entirely different hanging trimming and pasting method to one that is employed to hang standard thickness absorbent wallcoverings.
Explain a bit more for everyone who haven't watch all the video
Wondering if it insulates noisy neighbours from hell 😬 good vid 👍
Good question!
Can this be painted?
Do as ive done on the video for best results. It'll give you a better even finish to paint over using a fibre lining paper over it.
There is no magic bullet, this stuff is 4mm thick polystyrene. 20mm PIR backed plasterboard is roughly 8 times better
Insulating paint powder or actual supposed insultating paint....come on Phil..waiting to see whether its snake oil or not.
what do you mean?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator there are paint additives you can buy that have so called ' insulating properties'. The jury is out on whether they work or not
Wrong......the wallpaper doesn't give ANY warmth.....it stops the cold coming through the wall. That's all. Please pay attention to what you are saying in these video's.
does the room feel warmer than it did before .... yep. Having been back to the same job only last week, I can tell you it was noticeable, walking into the room.
Be quiet you whining baby. Imagine blubbing like a spoilt child on the internet. Embarrassing
Although I totally agree with where you are coming from.
The reality is that the laws of thermodynamics tell us that at the macro level energy flows from hot to cold. The cold is not coming in, the heat is escaping.
The wall will feel cold if the rate of heat loss is greater than the rate the heating can warm the walls.
@@Paul-yh8km are we better than we were before i started?
@@Paul-yh8km I don't care about the laws of thermodynamics. I just want a warm room.