Wow! I’m amazed on all the negative comments. Here’s a person sharing tips that helped him win 7 triple crowns and 5 IBO worlds. The man makes a living on shooting a bow in competition! He must be doing something right! So all the haters pull your bottom lip over your head and suck!!!
He may shoot well whoever he is, however he obviously does not explain it well enough if he is correct. Because I didn’t think his reasoning made sense. And he really didn’t explain it graphically at all.
This is the best advise you can take. I have tried having my sight further and closer to my riser and having it closer is much better for me. I have been shooting for 10 years and I am always trying new things to be a better hunter and archer but sometimes keeping things simple is the best . If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Anyway thanks Levi great advise. For everyone else ther is no reason to try to put other advise down . If it doesn’t for you that is okay do what works and let’s enjoy the thing we have in common . Archery
Found out some how I have a bent sight bar extension.I was pulling my hair out between leveling and walk back tuning to keep center shot.Moved the bar all the way in and it solved the problem.It does not seem any less accurate than when I had it all the way out.I like the extra distance I am able to shoot too.
The flip side of your theory is, because the site is further away from the riser, you're forced to hold VERY steady because the increased movement out further looks more drastic.
That's Levi's point, you never want to force yourself to do anything in archery. By bringing in your sight, you can relax and stop forcing yourself to hold steady.
All well and good, for young bowhunters....and makes perfect sense...but a major factor wasn’t considered and that’s eyesight. As a bowhunters age their eyesight deteriorates, and if already farsighted, everything within arms length and even beyond becomes blurry. That’s why so many people, carry around cheater or reading glasses all the time. Sight pins become harder and harder to see through a peep. So getting the pins a little further from the riser can help see pins better.
Man, the amount of people telling one of the best archery pro's ever he is wrong is hilarious... Why are you not making the sponsored videos then? Levi, good stuff I am going to give it a go.
Justin Souza ultimately it’s up to you and how you shoot. I’d run it shorter in a hunting situation because it’s so high stress. You’re more likely to torque the bow in such a situation
He is correct in that if you Have even the slightest torque problem the sight Will be missalined With the arrow. Think about where the arrow rest. It rests pretty close to the grip. So if you Have the sight also close to the grip it Will be in line With the arrow (even if you torque it slightly), if you Have your sight way out in front and Have a slight torque in the grip, the arrow/grip Will point in one direction and the Imaginary line of sight between the peep and the sight Will be on another line. Just pure mathematics. Now, if you possess a perfect grip With No torque at all, the good thing With the sight far out is that it Will zoom in more (if it is a zoom scope) and also that you can make more precise adjustments, BUT, that is only if you dont torque the handle at all, or Always torque exactly the same amount and direction.
I think this is more of a personally opinion. I myself have my sight closer to the riser but I dont do competition shooting. I get more consistent grouping with my set up like this.
I've seen plenty of people do it both ways very well, but very few who tried both when shooting well, for me the long sight radius especially with a lens drives me right round the bend, I'm more stable and more relaxed with the sight close, groups are about the same when I shoot well and much better with sight close when struggling ! I use the sight close ! Experiment ! Listen to other peoples advice, but at least make sure it actually works for you as well ! The other issue with long sight is that it takes more vibration and is more exposed to damage from whatever you accidentally bash it on !
that's a factor i'd have to keep in mind for myself beside not wrapping my hand around grip , but use just ''pocket ''between thumb and forefinger behind grip to avoid torqueing on release . would having the sight far forward aid in training ? dunno haven't released in a long while but will be now and factor this in - thnx L.Morgan
Also torque is a separate problem. Pistols torque in the hand. But a longer barrel and sight radius is always more accurate. I know many individuals that shot better after extending the bar to clearly see their pin. Individual choice.
The amount of movement is the same...but the farther sight moves a great distance. But the bow moves however much you are torquing it regardless if the sight is one inch or one mile from the riser.
This doesn't even make sense... Longer sight radius is always steadier and more accurate... If you torque your bow, that's a whole separate problem and youre gonna torque it worse with a shorter sight radius.
Everyone torques the bow to a degree even the top pros! Longer sight radius on a rifle works because the barrel cannot be torqued and its always solid and repeatable!
@@79brumley That's not true at all. Gun barrels can be torqued. This is the whole reason why people want "floating" gun barrels. So that the stock does influence, or torque in other words, the barrel.
That's not how geometry works. Just because you see the long sight move farther over does not mean you turned the bow more. The bow is turning the exact same amount.
Michael Clifton in terms of angular measurement such as a degree, mil, or minute of angle it is the same. Therefor the effects downrange will also be the same. It is just perceived as more.
The torque in the shot is the same with sight close or far. You can just visualize the movement more with the sight further. If you’re forcing the pin float on center, then I could see how it being closer would help. Aim small miss small.
This is fundamentally incorrect and embarrassing from a high level archer. The pins may actually move more, but you won’t see them move more relative to your eye. From the perspective through the peep it’s no different. It’s like swinging a sword, just because the tip is moving a longer distance than the handle doesn’t mean that they’re moving at different angles.
Nope, you are fundamentally incorrect. What you say would be correct if the torque was occurring back at your eye, but it is not. It is happening an arm and shoulder out away from eye. But it is always fun to here people ignorant on a topic pretend they know everything about it.
Wow! I’m amazed on all the negative comments. Here’s a person sharing tips that helped him win 7 triple crowns and 5 IBO worlds. The man makes a living on shooting a bow in competition! He must be doing something right! So all the haters pull your bottom lip over your head and suck!!!
He may shoot well whoever he is, however he obviously does not explain it well enough if he is correct. Because I didn’t think his reasoning made sense. And he really didn’t explain it graphically at all.
@@sombojoe well he gave you a good starting point to do some research.
This is the best advise you can take. I have tried having my sight further and closer to my riser and having it closer is much better for me. I have been shooting for 10 years and I am always trying new things to be a better hunter and archer but sometimes keeping things simple is the best . If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Anyway thanks Levi great advise. For everyone else ther is no reason to try to put other advise down . If it doesn’t for you that is okay do what works and let’s enjoy the thing we have in common . Archery
Found out some how I have a bent sight bar extension.I was pulling my hair out between leveling and walk back tuning to keep center shot.Moved the bar all the way in and it solved the problem.It does not seem any less accurate than when I had it all the way out.I like the extra distance I am able to shoot too.
That makes so much sense thanks for the great tip I’ll Change my sight today and see where the arrows fly
So Mr. Anthony, how did it go? Do you still shoot the sight close to the riser or did you run it back out?
The flip side of your theory is, because the site is further away from the riser, you're forced to hold VERY steady because the increased movement out further looks more drastic.
To me it’s the opposite the closer my sight is to the riser my float speeds up when I move sight way out my float slows down
That's Levi's point, you never want to force yourself to do anything in archery. By bringing in your sight, you can relax and stop forcing yourself to hold steady.
All well and good, for young bowhunters....and makes perfect sense...but a major factor wasn’t considered and that’s eyesight. As a bowhunters age their eyesight deteriorates, and if already farsighted, everything within arms length and even beyond becomes blurry. That’s why so many people, carry around cheater or reading glasses all the time. Sight pins become harder and harder to see through a peep. So getting the pins a little further from the riser can help see pins better.
Man, the amount of people telling one of the best archery pro's ever he is wrong is hilarious... Why are you not making the sponsored videos then? Levi, good stuff I am going to give it a go.
LMAO I know people kill me. Levi has no clue what he is talking about He's just the best ever at what he does... lol
Well plenty of Olympic compound archers use long arm sights. By your theroy they have no clue what they are doing.
Justin Souza ultimately it’s up to you and how you shoot. I’d run it shorter in a hunting situation because it’s so high stress. You’re more likely to torque the bow in such a situation
Sorry but he may shoot well but he doesn’t explain well. And what he said just doesn’t make sense; at least the way he said it.
He is correct in that if you Have even the slightest torque problem the sight Will be missalined With the arrow. Think about where the arrow rest. It rests pretty close to the grip. So if you Have the sight also close to the grip it Will be in line With the arrow (even if you torque it slightly), if you Have your sight way out in front and Have a slight torque in the grip, the arrow/grip Will point in one direction and the Imaginary line of sight between the peep and the sight Will be on another line. Just pure mathematics. Now, if you possess a perfect grip With No torque at all, the good thing With the sight far out is that it Will zoom in more (if it is a zoom scope) and also that you can make more precise adjustments, BUT, that is only if you dont torque the handle at all, or Always torque exactly the same amount and direction.
So wouldn't that mean that if you do torque your bow having your sight farther out would let you know so you could make the adjustment??
@@chrisbahlmann4263 yes, it Would show that :-)
@@chrisbahlmann4263 I also Have my sight very close to the rest: th-cam.com/video/Ch6XmMFsn7U/w-d-xo.html
Great video! Exactly what I was looking for! 🤘
I think this is more of a personally opinion. I myself have my sight closer to the riser but I dont do competition shooting. I get more consistent grouping with my set up like this.
I've seen plenty of people do it both ways very well, but very few who tried both when shooting well, for me the long sight radius especially with a lens drives me right round the bend, I'm more stable and more relaxed with the sight close, groups are about the same when I shoot well and much better with sight close when struggling ! I use the sight close ! Experiment ! Listen to other peoples advice, but at least make sure it actually works for you as well ! The other issue with long sight is that it takes more vibration and is more exposed to damage from whatever you accidentally bash it on !
that's a factor i'd have to keep in mind for myself beside not wrapping my hand around grip , but use just ''pocket ''between thumb and forefinger behind grip to avoid torqueing on release . would having the sight far forward aid in training ? dunno haven't released in a long while but will be now and factor this in - thnx L.Morgan
Completely new with a bow so all the help I can get is appreciated Thanks.
ALSO this makes you able to run a smaller sight tape!
Age and eyesight main reason for longer bar. I had to gradually in crease my length through the years to keep sharp pin definition.
Also torque is a separate problem. Pistols torque in the hand. But a longer barrel and sight radius is always more accurate. I know many individuals that shot better after extending the bar to clearly see their pin. Individual choice.
ok im going to give it a try, always wonndered why some had it so far away.
Will try that on my set up .
“Humans aren’t perfect, people aren’t perfect, we don’t make perfect shots”
***Makes perfect shots
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Does this transfer over to your target bow as well?
The amount of movement is the same...but the farther sight moves a great distance. But the bow moves however much you are torquing it regardless if the sight is one inch or one mile from the riser.
Awesome vid!
Closer or 3ft whatever works for the shooter. My question is will it affect sight pin clarity?
Yes. Further away magnifies whatever you are looking at
What sight bar is he using, I cant seem to find any shorter bars.
Hey Levi. Go team Mathews . What would be your ideal length from the riser?
And so do you use a larger peep or smaller housing? Better question - how do you adjust the peep and / or scope housing for this set up?
Nice question, I have the same doubt.
The long barrel argument never made sense. You can't compare a barrel to sights, it's not like the scope is as long as the barrel.
The physics still apply
This doesn't even make sense... Longer sight radius is always steadier and more accurate... If you torque your bow, that's a whole separate problem and youre gonna torque it worse with a shorter sight radius.
Everyone torques the bow to a degree even the top pros! Longer sight radius on a rifle works because the barrel cannot be torqued and its always solid and repeatable!
LMFAO people kill me........... Ya your right Levi Morgan has no idea what he is talking about...... Too FUNNY!
@@79brumley That's not true at all. Gun barrels can be torqued. This is the whole reason why people want "floating" gun barrels. So that the stock does influence, or torque in other words, the barrel.
That's not how geometry works. Just because you see the long sight move farther over does not mean you turned the bow more. The bow is turning the exact same amount.
Daniel K but your if you move the same amount a sight that's further out will move more because it longer. Try it you will see.
Michael Clifton in terms of angular measurement such as a degree, mil, or minute of angle it is the same. Therefor the effects downrange will also be the same. It is just perceived as more.
He means the more you see it
The torque in the shot is the same with sight close or far. You can just visualize the movement more with the sight further. If you’re forcing the pin float on center, then I could see how it being closer would help. Aim small miss small.
Sight 3 feet in front of the riser lol 😂
This is fundamentally incorrect and embarrassing from a high level archer. The pins may actually move more, but you won’t see them move more relative to your eye. From the perspective through the peep it’s no different. It’s like swinging a sword, just because the tip is moving a longer distance than the handle doesn’t mean that they’re moving at different angles.
Exactly. Torque is a minute-of-angle concept, NOT a distance-from-riser concept.
Nope, you are fundamentally incorrect. What you say would be correct if the torque was occurring back at your eye, but it is not. It is happening an arm and shoulder out away from eye. But it is always fun to here people ignorant on a topic pretend they know everything about it.
@@davidcarl2496 it’s basic geometry, but OK....
Tell you what, go to the next ASA shoot, sign up in the pro open class, and prove him wrong by beating him. Until then, you just look foolish.
Just use what'cha buy that U like on your bow.