My history of being put up for adoption and being molested multiple times growing up deeply ingrained shame as a facet of my personality. I didn’t realize the extent that these experiences impacted me until I was in my early 30s. Thank you so much for this content. It’s a lesson about shame I hope to convey to my children before its corrosive effects are manifested.
I work with men who suffer from sexual shame, and the physiological response is almost always present with ED, PE, and DE. Thank you for addressing both the mental and physical components of shame.
I am a Psychotherapist here in Australia and this is the best explanation regarding shame I have come across. It has been brillant to bring into my sessions to discuss further. Thank you.
He's an actual legend. I've come across alot of information in the past and done a lot of research along the way and I've never seen these topics articulated so well with such accurate insight and perspective where you are able to see yourself and internal processes so clearly. By far the best I've come across 🙏
Ik grew up with a lot of verbal violence from my father. The very first time he went mental on me I was four years old and I went into freeze for 43 long years. Shame tied into it big time: not consciously, it was more a feeling, a sensation, an implicit memory. The feeling of what did I do wrong that made my father go mental on me? Was I not good enough? Was I broken? Shame was lingering in my subconsciousness. Since I came out of freeze (via Somatic Experiencing) I have been healing from shame. Building new narratives now. It's a journey, but totally worthwhile.
I have crippling shame. Something mentioned in the video resonated really well with me, because it is something that anyone, including me, can take action on. If shame is a belief, you can practice becoming an "atheist".
Just found your channel - so much to watch. This has got to be one of the best explanations of one of the components of cptsd I've come across. Very helpful. Thanks!
You've broken it down so clearly and eloquently! Can't express more how much I appreciate your channel! Thank you! I've started dealing with the concept of shame since 10+ years ago, but this video really helped advance my understanding of what shame is, how it works, and how I can look at it, how I can tackle it.... Keep up the work!!
I agree with your definitions of shame, and agree that it is established at an early age and has lasting effects. I hope that extreme shame is what you are giving advice to changing! I submit that shame along with fear is the negative consequences of bad behavior which is necessary for a self disciplined and orderly society. Shame is a better consequence than fear. A morale compass that manages behavior, self discipline, to act appropriately in society is better than the fear of jail time. Please be careful in coaching parents to not create some level of shame with some behaviors exhibited by children in that it may be necessary in child development, particular safety related self discipline as they age.
Very good. I still struggle with shame but it is related to environment. A partners behaviour can provoke it (especially with specific comments my parents made) or a work environment where there is dominating/negative management. When the environment is unthreatening, no issue at all. Trust is important in my relationships but I struggle with critical comments of a specific nature.
Thanks Connor, this has been so useful. I listen to your podcasts whilst I'm in the gym, yours is the best channel. Listened to this one in the gym twice yesterday and again in the gym this morning. Just watched it now and made notes on how to tackle shame as it's a regular feeling for me and pretty much present daily. Affects my work and my other relationships. Described me perfectly when it s=comes to taking all the blame for arguments, or other things not happening.
No shame in my game!!! Just 100 percent me now.....love my masculinity and my femininity... I no longer tolerate anyone shaming me. I rid myself of all those that shamed me. And that included wife children father brother and all the other ignorant judgemental assholes in my life. I live life as I wish!!!! I have left the dead to bury the dead. Love your life friends love who you are and never allow the.shame agents to cuff you up.
My shame is around my male sexuality. My therapist asked me, "do you like people"? I said, "by and large, yes". He said, and I repeat for the back row: "that's why there are people". Boom.
Is it possible to develop this sense of shame much later in adulthood if involved in an abusive relationship with a spouse? I realize trauma can happen to anyone at any point in life, but specifically, this type of shame as a source of safety talked about around the 18-minute mark in the video.
@@Jacob011 Thanks. Sometimes a person can feel guilty for doing something even though the action is not wrong. I wonder if that's for the same reasons as shame.
@@hahamasala Guilt="I've gone against my personal values", Shame="social devaluation or just a threat of social devaluation" is a better way of explaining it. Personally, I did feel guilt for things like irrationality, which have nothing to do with others (directly). As for shame, of course it's (usually) not about morality. If you make a fool of yourself, you'll be ashamed. Or suppose you're a 30 years old male virgin... From a paper "The true trigger of shame: social devaluation is sufficient, wrongdoing is unnecessary": > Even people who maintain their innocence in the face of a wrongful accusation or conviction often feel ashamed. They feel shame merely “because the system has declared [them] publicly guilty” - even though there is no moral shortcoming or personal failure. Why do people feel shame when others falsely believe they have done something wrong? > shame will be activated in a person's mind when others learn (or might learn) negative information about that person. By hypothesis, this emotion program is designed to (a) motivate a person to be especially cautious about taking actions that might exacerbate devaluation in an already precarious social situation, (b) limit the spread of potentially damaging information to more people than already know, and (c) limit the costs of any ensuing social devaluation. > On this view, the innocent can feel shame if they simply know or suspect that others view them negatively. This is because it is primarily others' beliefs-and not the facts of the matter-that determine a person's reputation and value to others. People are selective in whom they associate with and aid, and not all social partners are valued equally. In small-scale subsistence societies, as prevailed during human evolution, the potential consequences of losing social benefits are severe. > If the function of shame is to limit the likelihood and the extent of being socially devalued (a representational change in the minds of others), then cues predictive of social devaluation will trigger shame. Indeed, if the information threat theory is correct, people should feel shame when they think others hold reputation-damaging beliefs about them-even if the actor knows those beliefs are false. Under the “right” conditions, even an innocent person will feel shame. Attributional theories do not generate this prediction, because innocent people, by definition, have not failed to live up to their own internal standards or aspirations.
GROWING IS painful process... shame is EMOTION which arises when you grow. First, you have to become AWARE that SHAME is stopping yur growth and development... and, you have to DECIDE> Do I have to STAY be shammeful (which is GOOD by rules of RELIGION and SOCIETY generally), or, I HAVE to RID OFF shame, put RELIGION and SOCIETY RULES BEHIND ME, and GROW at my OWN PACE.... Strange place to be...and experience. I am very praud that I FIND A COURAGE, to TRANSCEND SHAME. Go read something from Dr. DAVID HAWKINS, and SCALE OF CONSCIOUSNESS... and consider WHERE the SHAME EMOTION is placed. So, of course, you NEED sheme in your development, but, BUT, we MUST FIND A WAY to TRANSCEND IT. To put it in a RIGHT PLACE.. Cheers!
I think you are confusing guilt (the belief that you are bad because you did something wrong) with shame (the belief that you are bad bay design). I rarely feel guilt but I am crippled by shame. I don't feel guilt because i know the things not to do to feel it. The shame is always there regardless of what i do.
Connor is talking about toxic shame. Where you think you’re flawed and broken. You want to get rid of it because if you don’t you will sell yourself short. Job opportunity, dating, friendship, mentorships, and addictions.
My history of being put up for adoption and being molested multiple times growing up deeply ingrained shame as a facet of my personality.
I didn’t realize the extent that these experiences impacted me until I was in my early 30s. Thank you so much for this content. It’s a lesson about shame I hope to convey to my children before its corrosive effects are manifested.
I work with men who suffer from sexual shame, and the physiological response is almost always present with ED, PE, and DE. Thank you for addressing both the mental and physical components of shame.
I am a Psychotherapist here in Australia and this is the best explanation regarding shame I have come across. It has been brillant to bring into my sessions to discuss further. Thank you.
Much appreciated! Glad that my work has supported you and your clients!
He's an actual legend. I've come across alot of information in the past and done a lot of research along the way and I've never seen these topics articulated so well with such accurate insight and perspective where you are able to see yourself and internal processes so clearly. By far the best I've come across 🙏
Ik grew up with a lot of verbal violence from my father. The very first time he went mental on me I was four years old and I went into freeze for 43 long years. Shame tied into it big time: not consciously, it was more a feeling, a sensation, an implicit memory. The feeling of what did I do wrong that made my father go mental on me? Was I not good enough? Was I broken? Shame was lingering in my subconsciousness. Since I came out of freeze (via Somatic Experiencing) I have been healing from shame. Building new narratives now. It's a journey, but totally worthwhile.
I have crippling shame. Something mentioned in the video resonated really well with me, because it is something that anyone, including me, can take action on. If shame is a belief, you can practice becoming an "atheist".
Just found your channel - so much to watch. This has got to be one of the best explanations of one of the components of cptsd I've come across. Very helpful. Thanks!
You've broken it down so clearly and eloquently! Can't express more how much I appreciate your channel! Thank you!
I've started dealing with the concept of shame since 10+ years ago, but this video really helped advance my understanding of what shame is, how it works, and how I can look at it, how I can tackle it.... Keep up the work!!
Outstanding! Thanks for watching and glad the content helps.
One of the best explanations of shame I've heard online.
I agree with your definitions of shame, and agree that it is established at an early age and has lasting effects. I hope that extreme shame is what you are giving advice to changing! I submit that shame along with fear is the negative consequences of bad behavior which is necessary for a self disciplined and orderly society. Shame is a better consequence than fear. A morale compass that manages behavior, self discipline, to act appropriately in society is better than the fear of jail time. Please be careful in coaching parents to not create some level of shame with some behaviors exhibited by children in that it may be necessary in child development, particular safety related self discipline as they age.
Very good. I still struggle with shame but it is related to environment. A partners behaviour can provoke it (especially with specific comments my parents made) or a work environment where there is dominating/negative management. When the environment is unthreatening, no issue at all. Trust is important in my relationships but I struggle with critical comments of a specific nature.
Man,this is specific and helpful. Thank you very much.
Glad to hear and thanks for tuning in!
Great teaching session, Connor. Thank you.
Thanks Connor, this has been so useful. I listen to your podcasts whilst I'm in the gym, yours is the best channel. Listened to this one in the gym twice yesterday and again in the gym this morning. Just watched it now and made notes on how to tackle shame as it's a regular feeling for me and pretty much present daily. Affects my work and my other relationships. Described me perfectly when it s=comes to taking all the blame for arguments, or other things not happening.
thanks for doing these talks. I take your video file, turn it into an mp3 and listen to it
Thanks Connor, very true insight. Im certain the imprinting can be undone. Generational family disfunction affects so many of us.
This one video made me subscribe thank you.
Listening .
Via TH-cam. Thank you for sharing the wisdom
No shame in my game!!! Just 100 percent me now.....love my masculinity and my femininity... I no longer tolerate anyone shaming me. I rid myself of all those that shamed me. And that included wife children father brother and all the other ignorant judgemental assholes in my life. I live life as I wish!!!! I have left the dead to bury the dead. Love your life friends love who you are and never allow the.shame agents to cuff you up.
My shame is around my male sexuality. My therapist asked me, "do you like people"? I said, "by and large, yes". He said, and I repeat for the back row: "that's why there are people".
Boom.
Is it possible to develop this sense of shame much later in adulthood if involved in an abusive relationship with a spouse? I realize trauma can happen to anyone at any point in life, but specifically, this type of shame as a source of safety talked about around the 18-minute mark in the video.
I liked my own comment
Shame on you! 😂
This comment looks really bad in front of the next one.
For shame
We all do
Is shame the same as feeling guilty, or is there a slight difference?
He explain it at the beginning. Guilt=I've done something wrong, shame=I am wrong.
@@Jacob011 Thanks. Sometimes a person can feel guilty for doing something even though the action is not wrong. I wonder if that's for the same reasons as shame.
@@hahamasala Guilt="I've gone against my personal values", Shame="social devaluation or just a threat of social devaluation" is a better way of explaining it. Personally, I did feel guilt for things like irrationality, which have nothing to do with others (directly). As for shame, of course it's (usually) not about morality. If you make a fool of yourself, you'll be ashamed. Or suppose you're a 30 years old male virgin...
From a paper "The true trigger of shame: social devaluation is sufficient, wrongdoing is unnecessary":
> Even people who maintain their innocence in the face of a wrongful accusation or conviction often feel ashamed. They feel shame merely “because the system has declared [them] publicly guilty” - even though there is no moral shortcoming or personal failure. Why do people feel shame when others falsely believe they have done something wrong?
> shame will be activated in a person's mind when others learn (or might learn) negative information about that person. By hypothesis, this emotion program is designed to (a) motivate a person to be especially cautious about taking actions that might exacerbate devaluation in an already precarious social situation, (b) limit the spread of potentially damaging information to more people than already know, and (c) limit the costs of any ensuing social devaluation.
> On this view, the innocent can feel shame if they simply know or suspect that others view them negatively. This is because it is primarily others' beliefs-and not the facts of the matter-that determine a person's reputation and value to others. People are selective in whom they associate with and aid, and not all social partners are valued equally. In small-scale subsistence societies, as prevailed during human evolution, the potential consequences of losing social benefits are severe.
> If the function of shame is to limit the likelihood and the extent of being socially devalued (a representational change in the minds of others), then cues predictive of social devaluation will trigger shame. Indeed, if the information threat theory is correct, people should feel shame when they think others hold reputation-damaging beliefs about them-even if the actor knows those beliefs are false. Under the “right” conditions, even an innocent person will feel shame. Attributional theories do not generate this prediction, because innocent people, by definition, have not failed to live up to their own internal standards or aspirations.
GROWING IS painful process... shame is EMOTION which arises when you grow. First, you have to become AWARE that SHAME is stopping yur growth and development... and, you have to DECIDE>
Do I have to STAY be shammeful (which is GOOD by rules of RELIGION and SOCIETY generally), or, I HAVE to RID OFF shame, put RELIGION and SOCIETY RULES BEHIND ME, and GROW at my OWN PACE.... Strange place to be...and experience.
I am very praud that I FIND A COURAGE, to TRANSCEND SHAME.
Go read something from Dr. DAVID HAWKINS, and SCALE OF CONSCIOUSNESS... and consider WHERE the SHAME EMOTION is placed.
So, of course, you NEED sheme in your development, but, BUT, we MUST FIND A WAY to TRANSCEND IT. To put it in a RIGHT PLACE..
Cheers!
Could you explain why children who have acted as the surrogate parent have developed shame?
I think you are confusing guilt (the belief that you are bad because you did something wrong) with shame (the belief that you are bad bay design). I rarely feel guilt but I am crippled by shame. I don't feel guilt because i know the things not to do to feel it. The shame is always there regardless of what i do.
What are some things a person could say or do with a partner that has shame?
Invite the partner to work on that shame and support them, if they are open to do it.
"Get over it" is something of a go-to 😢
Maybe tell them something you genuinely like about them. one thing.
I am trying here, but... this may take a few listens to understand, let alone accept.
Rage
It's age 12.. that happens.... theory of mind
Off topic but you’re cute
Off topic, but you’re gay. No shame in that though.
Why would you want to get rid of shame?
Because while it was useful perhaps at one point, it can become parasitic and limit development. For me, at least.
Not rid, "go through it" instead of being stopped by it. It's wanting to PROCESS shame and get to the other side of it.
@@colterthompson6846 Use your shame to improve yourelf. There is a reason.
Connor is talking about toxic shame. Where you think you’re flawed and broken. You want to get rid of it because if you don’t you will sell yourself short. Job opportunity, dating, friendship, mentorships, and addictions.
@@breatheeasily4013 and I believe I did. For some reason, even afterwards, it is really slow to leave, despite serving no purpose any longer.