Hi guys, I'm currently living in France so I won't be able to drop by to see you to try this wonderful bike. But I just wanted to congratulate you on your videos, they are awesome. I will be ordering the new gsd from my dealer this week, hope I get it soon.
I'd like to start with the fact that I really love your reviews and I love the message you're getting out to spread the love of e-bikes. I cannot say how much I appreciate this. That being said, cafe locks on a front wheel are a dumb idea, a really, really dumb idea. The reason they are always on the rear wheel is it locks the wheel to the frame! On the front wheel it only locks it to the fork. That means that they only have to remove one, maybe two bolts, and bam, they've got basically your entire bike. They'll have the motor, the very expensive frame and batteries and all those lovely accessories (minus your cafe lock). They simply need to pop a new fork on the front (they'll have the handlebars and console since that comes off) and re-attach the two bolts for the handlebars and two bolts for the brakes to re-attach. Yeah it's a bit of work but it's really not that much considering how much they can get for this. So please, please do not put ANY FAITH AT ALL in the cafe lock. Of course they should only be used for quick trips anyways but lets face it, people use it for more than that. Once again, really love the reviews and positivity you guys spread but a front wheel cafe lock is a stupid idea and that is why they are almost always on the rear wheel.
Hello Tristan. Totally hear where you are coming from, but I would argue that cafe locks are fundamentally a light deterrent to theft. I would argue that in reality a cafe lock attached to the frame versus the fork is nearly identical from a security perspective if the bike is not attached to someone, as the purpose of a cafe lock is to deter someone riding away with the bike, but can’t stop someone picking the bike up and sticking it in a van or something like that. If a thief disassembles the front end of the bike and then carts away the rear end, it effectively does the same thing as a cafe lock on the rear of the bike: it stops someone from riding off with your bike. For locking your bike out of sight for a longer period of time, we always recommend an additional frame lock to lock the bike to something sturdy.
Thanks for the reply and I guess I should have been more clear. I do agree that they are a light (extremely light) deterrent and say the same in my reply, I also mention that let's face it, people use this for more than that. The part I should have been more clear about i s the optional chain lock, even if it is put through the frame and then the rack you can simply take the fork off, then the wheel off the fork and slip it through the frame. There are certain spots on the frame this won't work but most people are going to put it through the largest easiest hole to get it through. Now your thief has the bike and all they needed was an allen key and maybe 2-3 minutes. I don't think it can be argued that the chain is being used for simple quick trips, it is medium protection against theft and people have more faith in it. I understand you guys have an agreement with Tern and sell their products and don't want to taint the relationship, but that doesn't mean you should defend a bad design choice. I really love what you guys do but it just isn't a great idea to put the lock on the fork, that is why an almost every single other bike it is on the frame, especially when it can be hooked up to a chain lock. I think I understand why Tern made this choice, it is super hard on this frame to put it in the normal spot, below the seat and forward on the rear wheel. That being said, they could have put it behind the wheel underneath the rear light, there is lots of space there and frame where there normally isn't frame on a bike. Once again, love you guys, love your reviews, this one I just don't agree with that one single decision. Tern bikes are amazing and I've been lucky enough to ride the Tern GSD and it was amazingly fun and well balanced bike. Game changer for cargo bikes and that isn't an exaggeration. However they aren't perfect and have made a sub-par design choice in this case.
Sorry also forgot to add that the chain is relatively short and most people will assume that since the part it locks into is connected to the bike that they won't need to put it through the frame. I know this is the wrong assumption and they shouldn't be doing that but that is how a lot of people use it. With this front fork setup it'll be pretty easy to take. Correct me if I'm wrong but that chain is only 85cm I believe.
Did you ride with the Rohloff? I don't find it useful on Ebikes. Too many shifting and too often required, and it shifts so slowly. I find the gears are too close to each other for e-bike use.
Back one is, front one is less so and more noticeable in wet conditions. Source: Owner of two bikes with a pair of Big Bens on one, Super Moto’s on the other riding in downtown SF.
Hey guys, thanks for making so many videos for this community! I'm looking at upgrading from a fantastic Orbea so I can carry my son to and from kindergarten. I'm looking at the R14 or a R&M Load 60 which I know is your original family bike. Do you have any insights for someone who might be comparing the two?
Hello Tom. Thank you for the kind words! Those bikes are quite different though they are similar in what they can do. The GSD is going to be more compact and easier to store, while the Load is super stable and can carry heavier loads with less impact on handling. I would highly recommend finding a local dealer so you can test ride the both of them as that is going to be the best way to know what you enjoy best.
@@thenewwheel Thank you for your reply. My local guys are awesome (bought my Orbea from them) but the GSD always sells out almost before any models hit the store floor. I have ridden a Load 60 which really didn't take that long to get used to. My wife tells me she hates bakfiets so the decision may have been taken out of my hands.
How does the Enviolo hub and belt drive cope with steep hills when loaded? Really hilly where we are and not sure whether should go for the derailer for extra gear range...? Thanks in advance!
The small wheels on the Tern plus the Bosch motor make it climb extremely well; that being said, the derailleur version is going to feel a bit more powerful as the efficiency is higher. Where do you live? Are your hills San Francisco steep?
@@thenewwheel thankss. were in Cornwall in the UK which is very hilly! A 20% gradient climb on our daily nursery drop off, trying to weigh up the extra gear range on derailer (480 Vs 380% on hub I think?) vs easy maintenance with belt and hub (we tend to go through chains on our current ebikes). Unfortunately no S00s available to test ride locally atm. Thanks again!
So, I bought a Tern GSD and it is still within it's warranty period. There was a problem with the lights (lights switched off every time I pressed the brakes) and the bike had to be sent back to Tern for repair. 1 month later, the bike is still at Tern. I called the distributor for Tern in Belgium (Hartje) and the guy pretty much asked me why I was calling and what did he expect me to do about my bike being in service. He also said that I shouldn't expect my bike back before some time next year because they are busy and have a lot of bikes to repair. HE WOULD NOT EVEN TELL ME WHEN NEXT YEAR I COULD EXPECT MY BIKE BACK. This is a bike that cost Euro 6500, still in warranty and which we used to use daily fro dropping our kids at school. It should not take 2+ months to repair - especially since apparently what is needed is to replace the internal wiring. I didn't pay this money just to have it sitting in a repair facility in Germany.
That is not acceptable. I can tell you that we’ve had a few problems here and there with lighting but we handle everything in house at our Service Center with a 3-5 day turnaround. Is your retailer capable of helping? It seems odd that the bike needs to be sent back to the distributor…
5:39 the derailleur was hanging a bit low there, was it rubbing the side wall of the tyre, ideally I would think the more expensive model with shimano nexus hub would be ideal, and also go with carbon belt which makes it less maintenance intensive than chain+ derailleur
The belt + enviolo or Rohloff is a very nice setup, but the derailleur version works nicely as well, though will have a bit more running cost due to chain wear. That being said, reliability has been fantastic across the line once the bike is dialed in by a mechanic.
I’m deciding between the S00LX and the R14. I live in a rolling hill suburb in MA but nothing near SF hills. Do you think I’d be fine with the Enviolo? The price difference is pretty significant! I don’t think there is anywhere local to test ride both options. Thanks for your help!
I'm sure the S00LX will be great for you and your terrain. The benefit of the R14 is that you will get better range on a charge because the hub is super efficient (and the R14 comes standard with two batteries of course). If you have the budget, go for the R14, but you will be super happy with an S00LX as well
Wattage will range a bit. Nominal is 350 but 550 or so peak. On a mid-drive wattage though is not the most important spec: torque is more important. The cargo line motor has a max torque of 85 Nm which combined with a wide gear range will get you up anything. Put simply, the goal on an ebike is highest torque with lowest wattage.
How has the handling of the bike been going down San Francisco hills? I read one review that at higher speeds hitting a bump or road imperfection can twist the handlebar a lot. Thanks!
The only way the handlebars can move is if the adjustable stem bolts have loosened up. This can happen over time if the bolts are not checked and is solved by torquing the bolts to the correct specification which is listed on the part. Regularly serviced bikes should not have this come up. Hope this helps!
The HSD is a relatively new bike in Tern landia. We don’t expect a big update until 2022 at the earliest. That being said, there is a new model on the horizon...
If you dont have kids or not making a lot of cargo trips in other words you don’t need the size of the GSD it has all the advantages of a 20 inch wheel bike with folding handle bars. It needs gen 4 Bosch / 2nd battery / and Rohloff gearing.....you then have TERN totally owning the 20 in wheel cargo/commute/travel bike market Strike while the iron is hot Pass it on to your rep or Josh
Hi guys, I'm currently living in France so I won't be able to drop by to see you to try this wonderful bike.
But I just wanted to congratulate you on your videos, they are awesome.
I will be ordering the new gsd from my dealer this week, hope I get it soon.
Thank you so much. And congrats!
I love your description. I love your family. Thank you.
Love you guys. Awesome review. Thank you.
Lovely warm jazzy review. Passenger #1 took her own bike ON the bike too!
Oh yeah Ida wants to get off and ride as much as possible!
Nice to see you back.
Wow, quality bikes and a great review.
magnificent report of the bicycle, I congratulate you 😊
I'd like to start with the fact that I really love your reviews and I love the message you're getting out to spread the love of e-bikes. I cannot say how much I appreciate this.
That being said, cafe locks on a front wheel are a dumb idea, a really, really dumb idea. The reason they are always on the rear wheel is it locks the wheel to the frame! On the front wheel it only locks it to the fork. That means that they only have to remove one, maybe two bolts, and bam, they've got basically your entire bike.
They'll have the motor, the very expensive frame and batteries and all those lovely accessories (minus your cafe lock). They simply need to pop a new fork on the front (they'll have the handlebars and console since that comes off) and re-attach the two bolts for the handlebars and two bolts for the brakes to re-attach. Yeah it's a bit of work but it's really not that much considering how much they can get for this.
So please, please do not put ANY FAITH AT ALL in the cafe lock.
Of course they should only be used for quick trips anyways but lets face it, people use it for more than that.
Once again, really love the reviews and positivity you guys spread but a front wheel cafe lock is a stupid idea and that is why they are almost always on the rear wheel.
Hello Tristan. Totally hear where you are coming from, but I would argue that cafe locks are fundamentally a light deterrent to theft. I would argue that in reality a cafe lock attached to the frame versus the fork is nearly identical from a security perspective if the bike is not attached to someone, as the purpose of a cafe lock is to deter someone riding away with the bike, but can’t stop someone picking the bike up and sticking it in a van or something like that. If a thief disassembles the front end of the bike and then carts away the rear end, it effectively does the same thing as a cafe lock on the rear of the bike: it stops someone from riding off with your bike. For locking your bike out of sight for a longer period of time, we always recommend an additional frame lock to lock the bike to something sturdy.
Thanks for the reply and I guess I should have been more clear.
I do agree that they are a light (extremely light) deterrent and say the same in my reply, I also mention that let's face it, people use this for more than that.
The part I should have been more clear about i s the optional chain lock, even if it is put through the frame and then the rack you can simply take the fork off, then the wheel off the fork and slip it through the frame. There are certain spots on the frame this won't work but most people are going to put it through the largest easiest hole to get it through. Now your thief has the bike and all they needed was an allen key and maybe 2-3 minutes.
I don't think it can be argued that the chain is being used for simple quick trips, it is medium protection against theft and people have more faith in it.
I understand you guys have an agreement with Tern and sell their products and don't want to taint the relationship, but that doesn't mean you should defend a bad design choice. I really love what you guys do but it just isn't a great idea to put the lock on the fork, that is why an almost every single other bike it is on the frame, especially when it can be hooked up to a chain lock.
I think I understand why Tern made this choice, it is super hard on this frame to put it in the normal spot, below the seat and forward on the rear wheel. That being said, they could have put it behind the wheel underneath the rear light, there is lots of space there and frame where there normally isn't frame on a bike. Once again, love you guys, love your reviews, this one I just don't agree with that one single decision.
Tern bikes are amazing and I've been lucky enough to ride the Tern GSD and it was amazingly fun and well balanced bike. Game changer for cargo bikes and that isn't an exaggeration. However they aren't perfect and have made a sub-par design choice in this case.
Sorry also forgot to add that the chain is relatively short and most people will assume that since the part it locks into is connected to the bike that they won't need to put it through the frame. I know this is the wrong assumption and they shouldn't be doing that but that is how a lot of people use it. With this front fork setup it'll be pretty easy to take.
Correct me if I'm wrong but that chain is only 85cm I believe.
Did you ride with the Rohloff? I don't find it useful on Ebikes. Too many shifting and too often required, and it shifts so slowly. I find the gears are too close to each other for e-bike use.
We do have the Rohloff version and we like it, but it is a personal preference for sure!
Can you drive these bikes without pedaling?
No they are meant to amplify your pedaling, not replace it.
Great looking utility bike, awesome review.
Are those wheels wide enough to make them safe crossing tramlines? i.e. not having to cross them at certain angle?
Back one is, front one is less so and more noticeable in wet conditions. Source: Owner of two bikes with a pair of Big Bens on one, Super Moto’s on the other riding in downtown SF.
@@nija1976 Thank you.
I am looking at the Term GSD S10 but want to know if it’s worth waiting the 4-5 months for the Cargo Line motor or if the Performance Line is plenty.
Both bikes are great. The generation 2 GSD is going to be coming into stock very shortly, so the wait shouldn’t be all that much longer!
Could you please make A Review for the HSD model. Thanks
We have made an HSD review. See here: th-cam.com/video/Z81VB6AYlLQ/w-d-xo.html
Hey guys, thanks for making so many videos for this community! I'm looking at upgrading from a fantastic Orbea so I can carry my son to and from kindergarten. I'm looking at the R14 or a R&M Load 60 which I know is your original family bike. Do you have any insights for someone who might be comparing the two?
Hello Tom. Thank you for the kind words! Those bikes are quite different though they are similar in what they can do. The GSD is going to be more compact and easier to store, while the Load is super stable and can carry heavier loads with less impact on handling. I would highly recommend finding a local dealer so you can test ride the both of them as that is going to be the best way to know what you enjoy best.
@@thenewwheel Thank you for your reply. My local guys are awesome (bought my Orbea from them) but the GSD always sells out almost before any models hit the store floor. I have ridden a Load 60 which really didn't take that long to get used to. My wife tells me she hates bakfiets so the decision may have been taken out of my hands.
Love those bags. Would they fit on my 2020 benno boost?
That's a good question.... not sure yet. We will need to check when stock comes in!
Where did you get your saddle bags for the rear? Those are amazing!
Those are made by Tern and we sell them at The New Wheel!
How does the Enviolo hub and belt drive cope with steep hills when loaded? Really hilly where we are and not sure whether should go for the derailer for extra gear range...? Thanks in advance!
The small wheels on the Tern plus the Bosch motor make it climb extremely well; that being said, the derailleur version is going to feel a bit more powerful as the efficiency is higher. Where do you live? Are your hills San Francisco steep?
@@thenewwheel thankss. were in Cornwall in the UK which is very hilly! A 20% gradient climb on our daily nursery drop off, trying to weigh up the extra gear range on derailer (480 Vs 380% on hub I think?) vs easy maintenance with belt and hub (we tend to go through chains on our current ebikes). Unfortunately no S00s available to test ride locally atm. Thanks again!
Would this bike have a problem carrying a 300+ lb rider?
No it should be able to handle that rider weight but you may want to make some adjustments and upgrades to the seatpost.
Like a dropper seat post ?
So, I bought a Tern GSD and it is still within it's warranty period. There was a problem with the lights (lights switched off every time I pressed the brakes) and the bike had to be sent back to Tern for repair.
1 month later, the bike is still at Tern. I called the distributor for Tern in Belgium (Hartje) and the guy pretty much asked me why I was calling and what did he expect me to do about my bike being in service. He also said that I shouldn't expect my bike back before some time next year because they are busy and have a lot of bikes to repair. HE WOULD NOT EVEN TELL ME WHEN NEXT YEAR I COULD EXPECT MY BIKE BACK.
This is a bike that cost Euro 6500, still in warranty and which we used to use daily fro dropping our kids at school. It should not take 2+ months to repair - especially since apparently what is needed is to replace the internal wiring.
I didn't pay this money just to have it sitting in a repair facility in Germany.
That is not acceptable. I can tell you that we’ve had a few problems here and there with lighting but we handle everything in house at our Service Center with a 3-5 day turnaround. Is your retailer capable of helping? It seems odd that the bike needs to be sent back to the distributor…
Did you fit the little bike into the pannier ?!
yes definitely!
Excellent review video 👍👏👏👏
Thank you! 👍
5:39 the derailleur was hanging a bit low there, was it rubbing the side wall of the tyre, ideally I would think the more expensive model with shimano nexus hub would be ideal, and also go with carbon belt which makes it less maintenance intensive than chain+ derailleur
The belt + enviolo or Rohloff is a very nice setup, but the derailleur version works nicely as well, though will have a bit more running cost due to chain wear. That being said, reliability has been fantastic across the line once the bike is dialed in by a mechanic.
Do you think the R14 is necessary for big hills, e.g. SF?
Not necessary but very nice to have. Have you test ridden at the shop yet?
Can you upgrade the motor to get you to 28 mph?
No this is not possible on this bike.
I’m deciding between the S00LX and the R14. I live in a rolling hill suburb in MA but nothing near SF hills. Do you think I’d be fine with the Enviolo? The price difference is pretty significant! I don’t think there is anywhere local to test ride both options. Thanks for your help!
I'm sure the S00LX will be great for you and your terrain. The benefit of the R14 is that you will get better range on a charge because the hub is super efficient (and the R14 comes standard with two batteries of course). If you have the budget, go for the R14, but you will be super happy with an S00LX as well
What wattage is the motor please?
Wattage will range a bit. Nominal is 350 but 550 or so peak. On a mid-drive wattage though is not the most important spec: torque is more important. The cargo line motor has a max torque of 85 Nm which combined with a wide gear range will get you up anything. Put simply, the goal on an ebike is highest torque with lowest wattage.
How has the handling of the bike been going down San Francisco hills? I read one review that at higher speeds hitting a bump or road imperfection can twist the handlebar a lot. Thanks!
The only way the handlebars can move is if the adjustable stem bolts have loosened up. This can happen over time if the bolts are not checked and is solved by torquing the bolts to the correct specification which is listed on the part. Regularly serviced bikes should not have this come up. Hope this helps!
the first family of ebikes
blush
I don't have kids, I'm more interested in the possible business/Cargo aspects of it.
没有什么比和家人在一起骑车出去更快乐
your the gold standard perfection
👍😊
HSD Gen 2 ? ......
The HSD is a relatively new bike in Tern landia. We don’t expect a big update until 2022 at the earliest. That being said, there is a new model on the horizon...
If you dont have kids or not making a lot of cargo trips in other words you don’t need the size of the GSD it has all the advantages of a 20 inch wheel bike with folding handle bars. It needs gen 4 Bosch / 2nd battery / and Rohloff gearing.....you then have TERN totally owning the 20 in wheel cargo/commute/travel bike market
Strike while the iron is hot
Pass it on to your rep or Josh
@@markbeckett3317 you just made a $6000 HSD!
@@YerDad632 And....? It is the complete pkg! $5399.
Who is that little cutie?
Miss Ida!
derailleur only 2 inches from the ground? no thanks.....
Sounds like you are for the S00 or R14 version!
$5099!!!
I can buy a good 2nd car with that money.
It would not be as fun though and it would still be a car! ;)