Seth, nothing against your solo videos, I enjoy them very much, but these collabs are entirely different league. Absolutely marvelous. I wish you could turn it into something regular, even just like this, just bunch of awesome guys goofing around.
@@SenseiSethDude you should absolutely check out defendu/fairbairn gutter fighting, it is still around today, and it's a really interesting style of combatives that was developed by William fairbairn a pretty well accomplished police officer in hong kong I believe for the british military and used by them in world war 2, he practiced judo, japanese jujutsu, boxing and I believe chinese kung fu and created an art for the british military that mixed elements from all of these arts that worked pretty well for these soldiers from what I can tell, it was military combatives so it was meant to help give them some adequate fighting skills in the span of a few weeks
Mike's Cat/Racoon demonstration and sweet T popping off on aerobics are pure gold. And the Seth getting beat up by Mike with a Magazine, truly the cherry on top.
As an adult female that has taken martial arts classes for 10 years, Wonderboy makes an excellent point, you must train self-defense in order for it to work.
It's also a great idea (if you can) to take a class with another group, to see if your practices work on people who aren't familiar with them. If they don't, that might be a warning sign.
@@theaikidoka Nothing quite like going to an open mat and your go-to just... not working anymore. lol But also, sometimes you go and that thing you've been trying to get good at but just can't seem to hit or always feels forced just works over and over because you're not going with the same people you have been learning it with.
I've seen a lot of people "debunk" the magazine. Icy Mike is the only youtuber I've seen who has the warrior soul needed to actually roll up the magazine under pressure and make it work as a weapon
As a child of the 80s - sweet T has the body motion freaking perfect for those aerobics classes. I remember waiting for those shows to finish every morning before cartoons would start.
My wife kept asking me what I was watching because I kept bursting into laughter! Stephen and Sweet T in their aerobic outfits, and Icy Mike prison loving Seth...omg! Hilarious!
I remember Ramsey Dewey tried the aerobics butt bump on a video years ago and was flabbergasted that it actually worked. Every single time he tried it.
@@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935 It's because no matter how big the guy is, they're going to respect an attack to their groin. I've seen a grizzly bear get leveled from a nut shot. Even if it doesn't connected, the guy's still hopping back. From there, it significantly weakens their hold, and puts them off balance.
The shoulder throw as a defense from standing rear naked choke is a real Judo technique (first time I did it successfully I was 10) but there are some caveats, such as: the person choking you needs some forward momentum (like if you are both struggling), and once it is sunk it is sunk, do not pass go, do not collect $200.
I remember I came upon your channel trying to learn “TH-cam karate” after I got beat up at the bank and after paying for real Kenpo and boxing classes I still watch yours because now I’m just all in lol
Most underrated part of this video is when Stephen is standing with his back to Mike while he has the magazine and is talking about going after him with it. Stephen immediately turns around. That's years of training on display.
@@SenseiSethDude you should absolutely check out defendu/fairbairn gutter fighting, it is still around today, and it's a really interesting style of combatives that was developed by William fairbairn a pretty well accomplished police officer in hong kong I believe for the british military and used by them in world war 2, he practiced judo, japanese jujutsu, boxing and I believe chinese kung fu and created an art for the british military that mixed elements from all of these arts that worked pretty well for these soldiers from what I can tell, it was military combatives so it was meant to help give them some adequate fighting skills in the span of a few weeks
The best SD advice I ever got was “Act tactically, think Strategically.” Drunk uncle Norman is a different problem than getting mugged by a whacked out mook high on PCP. That was a lot of fun to watch and a lot pf good practical commentary. And too true, for competence, nothing beats training.
Fighting is essentially problem solving. It's all well and good giving a specific solution to a specific scenario but every situation is different so fighting is really learning to adapt on the fly to that situation and think "what's the best thing I can do in this situation"
I wonder if you guys would consider testing out (in a friendly way of course) some of the techniques of the old military manuals , like for example Killed or Get Killed (by Applegate) , Cold Steel (by Styers) , Get Tough (by Fairbairn), etc. I'd like to see these tactics checked against live resistance like you just did with those older self-defense films. Enjoyed this video BTW.
You should do a deep dive into WW2 combatives from some of the late Carl Cestari’s students, that is some serious self defense and brutal or do a video on modern version of WW 2 combatives from Kelly McCann.
This is the thing modern people forget about the older generations, they did the best they could with what they had, no videos watch did kata and forms to remember but now we have everything in the world on TH-cam sometimes makes us less humble.
i think the 30's had the most legit technique but they were done to a beginner class that may not retain the right knowledge. Like the mention a lot of their stuff is judo that still being taught today.
OK, bear with me as I mashup a bit of philosophy and cognitive science into my praise: IMO sometimes in our quest for "effective" we over-emphasize the "martial" at expense of the "art." Art endures because it touches something deeper within us than physical... Like laughter! And those things we remember and find joy in, we can also embody more effectively. And I think everyone here demonstrates finding that optimal cognitive space between being embedded within a context, embodied in practice, enacted practically, with the best extended cognition as they learn from each other... AND the past! Funny, impactful, and MUCH THANKS to all the participants!
The technique that turns the rotation of the attacker from their head to the ground defense is something I used to practice in To Shin Do, one of the arts studied by Hardee Merritt, who you did one of the Ninja videos with. One of the styles variations of defense involves first a clapping type strike with the defenders palms to attackers ears to rupture the eardrums, a headbutt ending with the turn seen in the video. Very cool!
17:05 that magazine thing was shown to me by my dad lol back in the 80's. he also said to leave part of the magazine out the bottom of your hand about an inch or two for slamming it into the person as well. never to hold it at the bottom.
Dude you should absolutely check out defendu/fairbairn gutter fighting, it is still around today, and it's a really interesting style of combatives that was developed by William fairbairn a pretty well accomplished police officer in hong kong I believe for the british military and used by them in world war 2, he practiced judo, japanese jujutsu, boxing and I believe chinese kung fu and created an art for the british military that mixed elements from all of these arts that worked pretty well for these soldiers from what I can tell, it was military combatives so it was meant to help give them some adequate fighting skills in the span of a few weeks
You guys are absolutely correct, that just constantly training teraches you the skills shown (or any skill for that matter). But I wish I'd been there with you, because a lot of the techniques you showed are still teached in the german concept Ju-Jutsu and there were some technical errors in the application. But as you said, there is a difference between taking a class, watching a video and practicing something for many years under the guidance of a trainer.
I really want to see a video with you dad and his reactions and thoughts on your exploration of martial arts. How has he seen it impact your karate? What has he seen that he has wanted to explore? Is there something in each martial art that he found to be common that he wouldn’t have thought about? Is there something in each martial art that is unique to it that makes him want to try it? Being so experienced in karate, is there another martial art he’s seen that he thinks in another lifetime he would have loved to pursue in the same way as he did karate? Is there a martial art he’s seen you try that he thinks you could be as proficient in as you are in karate? Etc lol. Love the videos!
As someone who was, for a few years, one of the best informed folks around on self defense outcomes, there are other things at play. And it's not just "She tried that in a controlled setting against a trained fighter and it didn't work." Self defense isn't just or even primarily about winning a game of knuckle tag. It is about not being the victim of a violent crime, and if you are coming out of it better than you would have otherwise. If you recognize a dangerous situation before there is a specific threat and work around it, congratulations. You have done perfect self defense. If you see the threat and avoid it, great. If you can convince him whatever he wants isn't worth what he'll have to pay to get it, very good. If the bad guy decides there is someone else easier to victimize it worked. If your initial reaction to a creep is to hunker down, make yourself small and hope he will go away, congratulations, you just won a crime. If you have a planned, practiced response even if it isn't the absolute best there's a good chance the predator will look for different prey. And if you do fight back verbally or physically - not screaming or aimless struggling - the chance of the attack being completed goes way, way down. We have over half a century of multi-factor multi-disciplinary research from around the world on this. That's the baseline. The more effective the stuff you learn is and the easier it is to bring up under stress the better.
This leg grab move was taught to me, the key is to do head and groin strikes first. And when sitting down when grabbing the leg, don't just use your back and arms, use your legs to create leverage. BTW, this is easier if the person being grabbed is shorter, and harder if they are taller like Seth.
Hahaha dude, the slow motion classical music backing video clips of a former police officer trying to jab your ass and perineum hard as possible with a rolled up news paper are f*ing youtube comedy gold ;)
We refer to that head technique as the Steering Wheel Take down and it is quite effective. The one aspect that they missed however is that in any bear hug situation you have to drop your center of gravity and push your ass back. This way you have a good base and can create power through rotation of the hips. If you notice in this video, during the bear hugs his back was arched, effectively weakening his base and lessening his power. He still made the technique work though. If the victim is smaller and weaker than the attacker he/she would have to correct that form in order for the technique to be effective! Just something to think about. Good video though!
The pass-through-the-legs you see @0:17 is legitimate. As goofy as it looks, it shows up in a lot of HEMA manuals, and I've pulled it off successfully multiple times during rolling in BJJ. Same story for the leg grab @7:43, so long as there isn't a drastic size or weight difference.
Seth, nothing against your solo videos, I enjoy them very much, but these collabs are entirely different league. Absolutely marvelous. I wish you could turn it into something regular, even just like this, just bunch of awesome guys goofing around.
I totally agree 👍
It's like that Grand Tour gang of martial arts
@@SenseiSethis new selfdefence championship in making?😉
@@SenseiSethDude you should absolutely check out defendu/fairbairn gutter fighting, it is still around today, and it's a really interesting style of combatives that was developed by William fairbairn a pretty well accomplished police officer in hong kong I believe for the british military and used by them in world war 2, he practiced judo, japanese jujutsu, boxing and I believe chinese kung fu and created an art for the british military that mixed elements from all of these arts that worked pretty well for these soldiers from what I can tell, it was military combatives so it was meant to help give them some adequate fighting skills in the span of a few weeks
Mike just beating Seth with a magazine at the end made the whole video 😂
Dang Sweet T is crazy good at the aerobics self defense.
Right? I bet he’s wearing the spandex underneath. Like a superhero, but for 80s dance
Bro mike you could do comedy u always got me laughing
It made me feel kinda funny, like when we used to climb the rope in gym class...
@@lastsamurai1089 NOT
Mike's Cat/Racoon demonstration and sweet T popping off on aerobics are pure gold.
And the Seth getting beat up by Mike with a Magazine, truly the cherry on top.
cats, raccoons, bears, they all can slide inside their skin. we can't. its also why gorillas would lose more often than not against bears and tigers.
Yeah, that magazine kinda popped the cherry....
@@chancepaladin Sounds like someone who hasn't done no gi. lol
All Wonderboy "crimes" come with a handwritten apology and he buys you a beer afterwards
As an adult female that has taken martial arts classes for 10 years, Wonderboy makes an excellent point, you must train self-defense in order for it to work.
It's also a great idea (if you can) to take a class with another group, to see if your practices work on people who aren't familiar with them. If they don't, that might be a warning sign.
@@theaikidoka Nothing quite like going to an open mat and your go-to just... not working anymore. lol
But also, sometimes you go and that thing you've been trying to get good at but just can't seem to hit or always feels forced just works over and over because you're not going with the same people you have been learning it with.
Mike trying to get ahold of Seth's leg...😂😂😂
The classical music and montage of Seth getting beat was hilarious! 🤣
i need to see a comedy crime action movie with these four ... just the way mike was trying to grab seths leg from the bear hug was gold
YES OMG i second this
Best line ever, "I'm looking gooch, taint, phrenem....."
Every day is a school day...
I was dying. 😂
Laughed so hard when he started rattling of these 😂
And then at 17:50 Seth says the most sus line ever.
At 12:40 when mike is talking about the racoon or cat attacking you his impression killed me 😂
I don't appreciate how Wonderboy looks like my PhD supervisor but could kick my ass at will.
5:30 least convincing " whenever i do my crime" ever.
I've seen a lot of people "debunk" the magazine. Icy Mike is the only youtuber I've seen who has the warrior soul needed to actually roll up the magazine under pressure and make it work as a weapon
15:10 the chance to whack Seth with a rolled up magazine is what gets Icy Mike out of bed in the morning.
Wonderboy giving his challengers ear-twisters is something I never knew I needed in my life.
Fuckin hm? Why’d ya like that so much, hmm?
@@JeremyConnersbro whats your deal bro just saying sometging go back to your goon cave
As a child of the 80s - sweet T has the body motion freaking perfect for those aerobics classes. I remember waiting for those shows to finish every morning before cartoons would start.
I bet you finished.
Wonderboy: But can a small girl do that to you?
Icy Mike: Luckily. . .
💀💀💀💀
When I woke up this morning I didn't expect to see Seth getting violated by a magazine.
"is TH-cam just the new Library of Alexandria?"
Wow... I've never thought about it like that, but it kind of is. 🤯
Yeah, because without the Internet TH-cam, will fall the same too. Only oral tradition to keep the memory alive
Yeah but with a ton of crap books or videos like 95% in this example mixed in with the good stuff. Typical library might have like 50% crap.
More like the world's cubical wall... But similar I guess
My wife kept asking me what I was watching because I kept bursting into laughter! Stephen and Sweet T in their aerobic outfits, and Icy Mike prison loving Seth...omg! Hilarious!
I remember Ramsey Dewey tried the aerobics butt bump on a video years ago and was flabbergasted that it actually worked. Every single time he tried it.
Hip checking people is key step in setting up good hip tosses. Pushes them off balance.
it's also the starting move of a huge lot of forms in TMAs
I was thinking about that in this. And these guys had the same conclusion. Butt bumps apparently work.
@@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935 It's because no matter how big the guy is, they're going to respect an attack to their groin. I've seen a grizzly bear get leveled from a nut shot. Even if it doesn't connected, the guy's still hopping back. From there, it significantly weakens their hold, and puts them off balance.
In today's vocabulary it's known as the Thrust of Freedom per Master Ken.
The shoulder throw as a defense from standing rear naked choke is a real Judo technique (first time I did it successfully I was 10) but there are some caveats, such as: the person choking you needs some forward momentum (like if you are both struggling), and once it is sunk it is sunk, do not pass go, do not collect $200.
This the most fun, chaotic collabs yet. I think this is my new most favorite video on TH-cam
Mike makes a great Rainman ”you can’t have this chair, this is my chair” moment.
I remember I came upon your channel trying to learn “TH-cam karate” after I got beat up at the bank and after paying for real Kenpo and boxing classes I still watch yours because now I’m just all in lol
You know it’s a good day when Sensei Seth drops a new video!!
Most underrated part of this video is when Stephen is standing with his back to Mike while he has the magazine and is talking about going after him with it. Stephen immediately turns around. That's years of training on display.
10:20 Okay...I laughed out loud there...excellent copy/technique guys !
Seth with a banger on my birthday🔥
Happy birthday
Happy birthday!
@@SenseiSethDude you should absolutely check out defendu/fairbairn gutter fighting, it is still around today, and it's a really interesting style of combatives that was developed by William fairbairn a pretty well accomplished police officer in hong kong I believe for the british military and used by them in world war 2, he practiced judo, japanese jujutsu, boxing and I believe chinese kung fu and created an art for the british military that mixed elements from all of these arts that worked pretty well for these soldiers from what I can tell, it was military combatives so it was meant to help give them some adequate fighting skills in the span of a few weeks
Happy birthday
15:54 probably the scariest moment of Wonderboy's life
Icy Mike busting out the classic baton choke with that magazine. The ancient cop move. Top Tier!
Seth lying there in pain watching how IcyMike just kept going was hilarious😂 @15:59
the slow motion LMFAO, nice touch. i hope seth's rear is feeling okay...xD
The best SD advice I ever got was “Act tactically, think Strategically.” Drunk uncle Norman is a different problem than getting mugged by a whacked out mook high on PCP. That was a lot of fun to watch and a lot pf good practical commentary. And too true, for competence, nothing beats training.
Every cut to Sweet T dancing just makes me burst out laughing.
😂😂😂
Dude! Your face when Mike gave you the business up the hoy-hoy!!??
Man, I'm dying over here 😂😂😂
This is a great group to review self defense techniques with. Mike's summary of how to train at the end was really concise and thought provoking.
"I might be giving too much arch." No such thing, continue to serve.
The Master Ken thrust of freedom got broken out
That ending sequence was just... everything.
Sweet T: Master of Jazzercize Bunkai.
Always love these collaborations with these awesome friends to test out what works out best. Very nicely done, boys
When icy Mike called it a Millwall brick I was in stitches. Brought back memories.
And that's coming from a Chelsea fan 🏴 😆
Icy Mike with the magazine was hilarious.
I enjoyed this quite a bit. Sweet T is just a joy to watch. The interjects something every video.
Fighting is essentially problem solving. It's all well and good giving a specific solution to a specific scenario but every situation is different so fighting is really learning to adapt on the fly to that situation and think "what's the best thing I can do in this situation"
“The Thirties: A GREAT time to be attacked! “ Don’t know why but I chuckled for several minutes at that.
Oh dear god I got to the magazine. I cried with laughter.
10:20 whaaaaaaat I am looking at??😂😂😂
I loved the oil check with the magazine 😂
Sweet T getting too much arch 😂😂😂
I wonder if you guys would consider testing out (in a friendly way of course) some of the techniques of the old military manuals , like for example Killed or Get Killed (by Applegate) , Cold Steel (by Styers) , Get Tough (by Fairbairn), etc. I'd like to see these tactics checked against live resistance like you just did with those older self-defense films. Enjoyed this video BTW.
I second this!
Oh, you KNOW Sensei Seth cheeked that mag when his legs went stiff, haha!
You should do a deep dive into WW2 combatives from some of the late Carl Cestari’s students, that is some serious self defense and brutal or do a video on modern version of WW 2 combatives from Kelly McCann.
This was so funny and fun to watch. I would love a sequel video on the topic.
LOL... Sweet Tea Twerkin between Delf Defense moves is hilarious!!
I hadn’t laughed this hard in a while. Thanks for that. Great video gents. Great tips as well
I see Icy Mike has recreated the Dog Brothers' famous "stinky stick" technique, pioneered by Crafty Dog!
“Raccoon”… “looking for gooch”is maybe be the most terrifying thing I have ever seen.
🤣
“The 30’s was a great time to be attacked” hilarious
Nice to see you guys having so much fun with Aikido!
last words. "...and then go train." Most excellent.
I loved that “Seth’s talking head in the corner” edit near the beginning of the video. Please do that more 😂
This was hilarious, educational, and very very well shot and edited!
This is the thing modern people forget about the older generations, they did the best they could with what they had, no videos watch did kata and forms to remember but now we have everything in the world on TH-cam sometimes makes us less humble.
i think the 30's had the most legit technique but they were done to a beginner class that may not retain the right knowledge. Like the mention a lot of their stuff is judo that still being taught today.
It was years before I realized Sweet T and Seth were different people.
OK, bear with me as I mashup a bit of philosophy and cognitive science into my praise:
IMO sometimes in our quest for "effective" we over-emphasize the "martial" at expense of the "art." Art endures because it touches something deeper within us than physical... Like laughter! And those things we remember and find joy in, we can also embody more effectively.
And I think everyone here demonstrates finding that optimal cognitive space between being embedded within a context, embodied in practice, enacted practically, with the best extended cognition as they learn from each other... AND the past!
Funny, impactful, and MUCH THANKS to all the participants!
Watching seth get violated at the end in skow motion was hard and hilarious to watch at the same time 😂 poor guy lol
The technique that turns the rotation of the attacker from their head to the ground defense is something I used to practice in To Shin Do, one of the arts studied by Hardee Merritt, who you did one of the Ninja videos with. One of the styles variations of defense involves first a clapping type strike with the defenders palms to attackers ears to rupture the eardrums, a headbutt ending with the turn seen in the video. Very cool!
This is one of the best videos I've seen you throw out there, man. Awesome.
Your guys' collabs is honestly one of the best things on youtube.
17:05 that magazine thing was shown to me by my dad lol back in the 80's. he also said to leave part of the magazine out the bottom of your hand about an inch or two for slamming it into the person as well. never to hold it at the bottom.
One of the best Seth videos 😄
Great video, guys.😂😂 fun and informative. Love it.
"I felt like there was zero threat to me until..."
😂
Dude you should absolutely check out defendu/fairbairn gutter fighting, it is still around today, and it's a really interesting style of combatives that was developed by William fairbairn a pretty well accomplished police officer in hong kong I believe for the british military and used by them in world war 2, he practiced judo, japanese jujutsu, boxing and I believe chinese kung fu and created an art for the british military that mixed elements from all of these arts that worked pretty well for these soldiers from what I can tell, it was military combatives so it was meant to help give them some adequate fighting skills in the span of a few weeks
This is the absolute dream team for martial arts on youtube
I was dying from laughter when Mike was talking about frenums and shit lol
Need to take clips of this and turn it into an aerobics video, or a dance music video. 12:40 keeps making me chuckle.
You guys are absolutely correct, that just constantly training teraches you the skills shown (or any skill for that matter). But I wish I'd been there with you, because a lot of the techniques you showed are still teached in the german concept Ju-Jutsu and there were some technical errors in the application. But as you said, there is a difference between taking a class, watching a video and practicing something for many years under the guidance of a trainer.
You got that dog in you
That Golden Retriever energy
Great video!
These are still my favorite Sensei Seth videos!
“..I’ve gotta drive home!” 😂🤣😆
I really want to see a video with you dad and his reactions and thoughts on your exploration of martial arts. How has he seen it impact your karate? What has he seen that he has wanted to explore? Is there something in each martial art that he found to be common that he wouldn’t have thought about? Is there something in each martial art that is unique to it that makes him want to try it? Being so experienced in karate, is there another martial art he’s seen that he thinks in another lifetime he would have loved to pursue in the same way as he did karate? Is there a martial art he’s seen you try that he thinks you could be as proficient in as you are in karate? Etc lol. Love the videos!
I would love to have seen Jesse in this.
The magazine assault in slo mo had me bursting.
The cat/raccoon bit is gold.
The 1950s Marital Arts can be all seen on every Three Stooges Show - “Moe, Larry, the Cheese!”
As someone who was, for a few years, one of the best informed folks around on self defense outcomes, there are other things at play. And it's not just "She tried that in a controlled setting against a trained fighter and it didn't work." Self defense isn't just or even primarily about winning a game of knuckle tag. It is about not being the victim of a violent crime, and if you are coming out of it better than you would have otherwise. If you recognize a dangerous situation before there is a specific threat and work around it, congratulations. You have done perfect self defense. If you see the threat and avoid it, great. If you can convince him whatever he wants isn't worth what he'll have to pay to get it, very good.
If the bad guy decides there is someone else easier to victimize it worked. If your initial reaction to a creep is to hunker down, make yourself small and hope he will go away, congratulations, you just won a crime. If you have a planned, practiced response even if it isn't the absolute best there's a good chance the predator will look for different prey. And if you do fight back verbally or physically - not screaming or aimless struggling - the chance of the attack being completed goes way, way down. We have over half a century of multi-factor multi-disciplinary research from around the world on this.
That's the baseline. The more effective the stuff you learn is and the easier it is to bring up under stress the better.
I feel like there’s a real market for Sweet T Aerobic Defense videos
This leg grab move was taught to me, the key is to do head and groin strikes first. And when sitting down when grabbing the leg, don't just use your back and arms, use your legs to create leverage. BTW, this is easier if the person being grabbed is shorter, and harder if they are taller like Seth.
That was gold. Thank you
Hahaha dude, the slow motion classical music backing video clips of a former police officer trying to jab your ass and perineum hard as possible with a rolled up news paper are f*ing youtube comedy gold ;)
can't wait for the full dance number with that costume, with these 4 members lol
9:28 she’s doing the Thrust of Freedom. Guaranteed to work every time but you MUST restomp the groin afterwards
OK, Wonderboy mumbling 'come on then baby' was not on my bingo card for today, but here we are.
We refer to that head technique as the Steering Wheel Take down and it is quite effective. The one aspect that they missed however is that in any bear hug situation you have to drop your center of gravity and push your ass back. This way you have a good base and can create power through rotation of the hips. If you notice in this video, during the bear hugs his back was arched, effectively weakening his base and lessening his power. He still made the technique work though. If the victim is smaller and weaker than the attacker he/she would have to correct that form in order for the technique to be effective! Just something to think about.
Good video though!
Sweet T killed the aerobics set
I got taught that you can break out of any wrist grab by pulling towards your attackers thumbs, the weakest point in any grip. This was in the 90's
I just got back from an open mat where I think I brused a rib. Now y'all got me belly laughing. Ouch!
The pass-through-the-legs you see @0:17 is legitimate. As goofy as it looks, it shows up in a lot of HEMA manuals, and I've pulled it off successfully multiple times during rolling in BJJ. Same story for the leg grab @7:43, so long as there isn't a drastic size or weight difference.
I just seen self-defense aerobics kata. It´s like wax-on , wax-off...