How is that new? It was written down hundreds of years ago when some Englisb guy named Bart made his own style and called it Bartitsu. It was basically pugilism with judo and some fencing.
I'm shocked that the front kick isn't included. It has power. It can be used easily unlike a roundhouse kick since you need balance. It can also be used to create distance
Agreed. A push kick or a teep (teap?) kick are great options. They create distance, can be thrown with more of a jab-like character to them. I love them as options, and they can be thrown front or back legged, and from the "interview" stance, which is how you're likely to be standing.
@@vipe650rbut a slow teap untrained will land you on your back. I was thinking if you feel the need to kick, calf kick or knees. No real gamble, nobody is going to grab it and you are still fairly balanced. Just an idea.
'teep' is correct i believe. I agree, the front kick is great because anybody can land it with a little practice. I myself have problems with roundhouse kicks in sparring because my balance and flexibility is bad, but I can land front kicks very reliably with various techniques@@vipe650r
I like how Seth's picks are largely simple maneuvers any decent karate school could get you good at in under a year and Mike pulls out the Asura Senku like he's going to follow up with Shun Goku Satsu
Dude is going to pull off the Electric Wind God Fist, Backlash Wave, Thousand Years of Pain, Full Counter, and then finally the Spacium Beam... And I'm all here for it
Works similar to how mike does a superman its a fake low to a high punch. Which are usually really effective if you have already thrown a low kick as an opener not so sure.
This works well because you can have your hands up defensively - as they were saying it's good optics, but also if it's someone bigger than you, you could go to an eye jab (and then run)
I've been in unfortunate circumstances that made me use some. I'll say the eye poke was my favourite - instead of an interviewer stance, I start with both hands at shoulder height, palms open facing the other person, a universal "I'm not doing anything" or "I don't want anything" stance, and if they move forward you strike. The clean-up is perfect, as you are showing a posture of someone who does not want any trouble, great optics.
it also tends to show the other person you're not just ignoring them(which the interview stance can do at times paradoxically,and some folks get way more aggro if they feel they're being ignored)
if you hold your hand up about chest high, with your palms up (shoulder shrug) it looks like you are confused about what's going on, not threatening at all, yet your hands are right where you need them.
That's a good take, even regarding the clean-up as your point will be "I was being 100% defensive but they came into me" (probably what she said though)
We used to call this doing the “jacky chan” in self defence classes. Basically use whatever you can in your environment to delay, distract, or control space/time between you and your opponent/s.
I've been involved in several "critical incidents" over the years due to my job, so I have some experience with this. Depending on the spacing, I usually go with the old reliable one-two followed by a calf kick. If they crash in, I'll use a headbutt, single collar tie with elbows and knees. And lastly, despite Icy Mike telling me they don't work, I like a good sidekick to the body to create distance, or directly to the knee to (possibly) remove the threat. Just my two cents. Great video, Sensei Seth! It's always awesome when you collaborate with Icy Mike because you two play so well off each other.
I'd like to give an honourable mention to the front kick as well, not a teep, but using the heel or sole of your boot. I just like mentioning it because it is a bit easier than the ones you mentioned for an unskilled fighter to throw. But then of course, you need the other guy to have committed to something, otherwise they'll respond like Mike showed, and that would take some of the sting out of it. Still creates some distance though.
@@_Pauper_ Muay Thai is my primary background, so elbows and knees are my bread and butter. Round kicks are up there too, especially to the calf since they are harder to catch/check, particularly against people with minimal formal training. After joining an MMA gym, my punches/boxing improved too, so that's why I tend to start most engagements with the jab. And the front leg side kick I mentioned in my original comment is something I picked up along the way, but admittedly, that's probably the highest risk technique that I would try in a self-defense scenario. Most of the incidents I've been in (I work in corrections) have been against guys that are very effective street fighters, but also have minimal (or zero) training, so I tend to gravitate towards low risk/high reward techniques that my attacker is less likely to see coming. In my experience, their opening attack is (more often than not) going to be a big overhand punch or a full body tackle. I try to avoid the ground whenever possible because of the likelihood of multiple attackers joining the fray, but thankfully, I also have back-up coming to rescue my ass when things pop off most of the time.
Honestly surprised it wasnt mentioned until like half way through when Mike was throwing some elbows at the target, but just a quick upwards elbow into guard seems like a contender for anyone who is trying to invade your space. Even if you miss, worse case scenario is you are elbow blocking their hook. Also surprised nobody mentioned the classic swift kick to the south pole; besides predictability score being very weak, can't imagine the other categories would ever be worse than a 4/5.
Because the average yahoo is going to /try/ to catch it and if that happens you now need to be the better wrestler and being twice their size wouldn't hurt either.
@@seansnyder2855 I don't think I agree. I mean, sure, if you just leave it hanging out there, telegraph terribly, or you're a moron and try and kick them much above belly button. A roundhouse above the belt is VERY catchable, because it comes right under the arm, and catching it is a very natural motion. A front kick is not as catchable as people think, unless you know it's coming or have experience with them. That being said, I agree that having some wrestling/take-down defense is a lifesaver. Even if they don't catch it, it can catch on something or you can slip.
That’s actually part of how daft punk got its name I think. A British magazine or newspaper didn’t like them and called them daft punk. Generally the British news particularly really the celebrity stuff are really brutal and like hound people but they ironically and unintentionally they helped create that name by hating on them. And daft punk made a great soundtrack for Tron, or they made most of it or partly made it or made all of it I’m not sure but at least some of the songs they made for sure.
Kid in an 8th grade schoolyard fight did the comb toss during the initial circling, followed by a punch. It worked a charm. He didn't throw it at the other dude, just kinda up in the air slow. I think the other kid thought a knife was coming out, but it held his attention long enough.
Based on the fights I've been in, almost everyone goes for a push or a shot to the face at the start. I also think folks are most likely to be ready to at least try to defend those.
@@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935 yeah, good call on groin kick. I'd say it is the third most common, especially among people who can't fight. If we include items that weren't on the list like that, I would add grab too, since bigger guys try to use it to trap you and similarly sized or smaller guys try to use it to tie up your arms so you can't hit them easily.
I didn't realize "Asura Senku" had a name, but one of my old instructors used to use this when sparring in taekwondo (hey Paul if you're out there reading this), he would jump in the air, which makes you expect some kind of flying kick, you drop your hands to block exactly like in the video, then *pop* just a simple punch to the face. I saw him use this *many* times, great feint
I love all the self-defence stuff Mike is included in, it's very clear he has serious experience defending himself in rough (to say the least) situations. Whitin a splitsecond he routinely answers with a proper explanation with demonstration to match even though it's all improvised and it all makes sense in testing.
This was one of my favorite vids you’ve done over the last few months. Just goes to show a good friend, some cool information, narration and a few graphics goes a long way on TH-cam still.
I have personally done eye damage to a guy in a barfight with an eye jab, and I have personally headbutted an attempted eye jab (same guy's friend). A successful eye jab wins the fight instantly, but a failed eye jab takes your hand out the fight - they work when people expect a punch (punches are generally slower because with an eye jab you just gotta be fast, no strong force necessary), but they don't work when somebody expects that particular move. To say they don't work in totality is to assume you are faster. Generally a good move for smaller guys that tend to be faster than bigger guys, plus smaller guys often have to be more lethal to stand a chance anyways - though having said that, in both my cases we were about the same size. @SenseiSeth please consider your reaction time versus jab speed.
I think it is range dependent: Your assailant is already close (probably getting up in your face) - tie up their right hand with your left, throw right elbow. Your assailant is just outside punching range (probably walking towards you) - pull-counter type straight right into left hook. Your assailant is at significant range - just keep moving away (maybe run, or get in your car/house), unless you CAN’T for whatever reason (loved one in distress, home defense, assailant has a ranged weapon, etc), in which case you get closer and do one of the above. I think the most important factor is knockout possibility being as high as possible, and creating opportunity to follow up, because there is plenty of footage of people doing jabs/slaps/whatever and their pissed off assailant takes out a weapon - if it is to the point that you have to strike someone, don’t rely on pain compliance, force them to stop.
The best fight stance before a street fight is palms out in long guard because it looks meek, like you dont want any trouble but you can get the hands up in time to protect your head and jaw very easily.
i've always thought elbows are underrated for self-defense, particularly the uppercut elbow: it automatically covers the head, it's hard to jam and stifle, creates space the same way an uppercut does, has minimal telegraph, crashes through most conventional guards, easy to deal damage with and has minimal risk if you miss it. that being said, yeah, it's incredibly short-range - and while it's *easy* to deal damage with, it isn't a powerful strike as an absolute. i still see it as a very effective technique nonetheless. P.S. - if we're talking "special techniques for shorter fighters", i think the uppercut elbow is as close as it comes to those actually existing :^) it's a nasty little thing to throw if someone taller is trying to smother you in the clinch
Why are you in a clinch? The goal is to prevent/disable the confrontation immediately. And if a taller guy is trying to grapple someone smaller, that's also a mistake lol.
A good point with Mike saying he doesn't generally hit that hard. While his hardest first-shot might be enough to be a fight ender, i totally get his style of picking something that has speed & surprise. You can't blame him for that, or on the other hand, blame Seth, for wanting to land that big power shot, considering that hes substantially bigger & stronger
I love these types of discussions. I have them all the time with different martial arts practitioners. Also, I was hoping to see a cross punch on one of your lists, maybe it falls under "big punch" haha
I like this whole circle of channels, Seth, Mike etc. Followed you guys for years. But it’s funny that before you guys used to diss krav maga and other ”self defense oriented” arts. Now, after you were in the tournament and tried that type of training I see you guys doing more and more similar things like in krav maga. Mike has even realised the value of eye pokes -> a reaction -> head control. It’s good because my experience as a compratively smaller guy vs the people I trained with is that vs a guy the size of Seth head control takedowns is the only really reliable grappling. Forget his body and twist his head into the ground. Grab head-> finger in eye gives a flinch and you just follow with the flinch and twist the head to off balance. It is very powerful from the clinch. It’s also great to deny takedowns, shooting and slams. Try it with Mike, you pick him up and try to slam him and everytime he grabs your head with both hands (back and front) and pushes his fingers into your eyes. See how many slams you get out of 10, I’m guessing 1.
It's kind of a circumstantial subject really. How you react could depend on the amount of space you have. If the person is in your face trash talking or threatening a headbutt might be best. If you have some distance between you. A punch, kick, ect. Would be better. Awesome video, it's informative in many ways
I love that at the end he's like so we did all this just so you can say no matter the circumstance you're gonna throw your right hand then the camera just nods in agreement, fantastic...
If you're a better striker than your opponent, I actually really like the push. It might not end the conflict, but it takes away their element of surprise
My take on eye pokes - it's effective, yes, but only if you are trained enought. Ease of use? Definetely 1. Of all the moves in the list, it is the most difficult to land. Amount of presicion you need to deliver two small fingers to two small targets is unbelievable, hard even if you are trained. Then we add factors - adrenaline makes you less accurate, while at the same time your reaction becomes quicker. In a dangerous situation untrained person will most likely either miss the eyes, or the other person flinches, making fingers land on forehead/cheekbones(hard surface=fingers ouchie). People miss jabs to the chin all the time, and it is much easier to land than eyepokes. And the move is not possible in couple of situations, like if your opponent have glasses.
I think the way to do it is just flick an open hand with loose fingers at the general eye area. People do that in the UFC (illegally) all the time and it seems to work. You have multiple fingers that can land, if you hit a bone, the fingers are bent so they won't get jammed, and it doesn't take a ton of force to hurt an eye, plus it's relatively easy.
I get your point, but your example is not suitable. People doing it in ufc (both trained proffecionals) is not what the video is about. 1) ufc fighters are accurate, 2) ufc fighters don't flinch when they are taking hits, especially if they thinks it's just a jab. We are talking about untrained people doing things. We see roundhouse kicks in ufc, but they are rated 1 in ease of use. Also, i get that there is a way to make it less painful for fingers, but it still is painful. Flinch your fingers lightly at the wall. It will hurt anyway.
Surprised to see no wrestling or grappling moves on the list, but some interesting techniques were explored. Big fan of the ridge hand strike, even though I prefer a variation of the Bone Strike Bas Rutten cultivated for bare knuckle combat.
As a Gojuka, I strongly agree with the results here as my go-tos would be a push or eye jab. I do love the three hours of testing tho for Iron Mike to say "just punch 'em!"
I'm shocked that after all this time I still haven't seen sweep kicks getting covered by either of them. At least on paper it seems like the perfect opening move, relatively easy to learn, if it works your opponent's on the ground and you've bought time and worn them out some, low chance to be caught, and just like a ton of other positive aspects to it. It just seems like the perfect move for most anyone in a basic self defense scenario
Sweeps would be harder and take a little longer to learn for the average person to use or defend. Plus, I'm sure most people don't consider it at first.
Not really easy. Attempted once in training and the arm post on torso reliably makes people back away, making the sweep miss. And theres no guarantee youre landing the sweep on a light foot. The thing seems high level imo. Or perhaps im too noob for that one idk
I think you should consider starting position as well and social context. In my opinion rising your hands above your chest level is communicating "We are about to fight". This is very instinctual thing if someone comes close to you with their hands up, the person being approach instinctively feels threatened and usually raises their hands as well. I think Seth made a good point about the eye pokes. It is much less effective if you close your eyes. Professional fighter are trained to keep their eyes open when something approaches their faces and eyes pokes are strictly forbidden. When something approaches your yes the natural reaction is to close the eyes and turn the face. And anything moving towards your eyes is very easy to notice.
For me, Eye Gouge at close range, Groin Kick or Throat Strike at mid range. These are fast, easy to do, reliable and cause a lot of pain so you can escape the situation.
Roundhouse kick takes quite a while to master, in order to have enough stopping power. Secondly, it is also pretty difficult to land flush without a setup, unless the other guy is completely clueless. And if it doesn't land flush, it will require further actions. And sometimes so even despite landing flush. A thai-style low kick would be a better choice, however - it also needs to land flush, to have a prompt punching follow-up or setup - or both; AND it has to hit with precision. If the altercation is unavoidable, the best fight response is a balls kick followed by a 1-2 (or more). With the correct eyes feint, - the kick to the balls launches invisibly, and a 1-2 lands like out of nowhere. After that, if the fight is still going, the distance is probably going to change, or you will have to adjust it your way, - if you find any other change not in your favor. My kickboxing/muai-thai friends would insist on switching the balls kick to a low kick... Nevertheless, however the fight is initiated, the first strike needs to have a follow-up, you can't put too much faith in just one move standalone. There is always a chance that the aggressor will weather the hit and still go on attacking. Gotta be prepared for this and preempt such scenarios the best you can.
The Big Push is my favorite of that list and it's not bad for a surprise hit. Generate the power of a Sumo hit and you can definitely sit most people down. Then you have time to get away.
Gotta be push in most circumstances. That one should have a 5 for ease and usefulness as well as being legal in basically every aelf defence situation, even pre emptively. Chael Sonnen's "i cant let you near me" push was legit the master class perfect response.
I think the side kick would be easier to get away with in a court case especially if you took some steps back to create distance from them. You also get to lean away from them when a push or punch you would normally need to lean in witch adds to the chance of a counter and would not look like you are trying to avoid the fight as much.
I genuinely think hat toss is the single best thing on this list. Will it end a fight? No, but versatility is insane. No one knows what to do when you do it. Thow a kick afterward if you need to, but a lot of the time thats enough of a head start to entirely disengage with the situation. Its also a great thing to trip up your friend's when rough housing. Gotten a good few moves on a friend just because im two of ten that regularly wears a hat.
im shocked the kicks were aimed high, rather than to the leg, or knee. Great video though guys. I love this concept, and would love to see you guys expand this out to your normal collaborators and see what the overlap is
The push/double palm strike make the most sense to me. Anyone can do it and it's easy to stand in a non threatening position and throw it with no load up and get out of there if you can actually fight.
So i won most of my kumite tournaments (Shotokan 3 pt sparring) with a back flick jab. I won streetfights just my dotting the Eye's with finger extension...they could not see it coming and could not see for the follow up. Eye jab after feign groin kick or hat toss is gold!! Loseing the eyesight is why the Flashlight debuff works in Icy mike's videos!
I've been out of shape for the last 15 years, and the only thing I can realistically pull off is eye jab and push. I think it's also the same for most people
I would have gone with a simple front kick/teep over a roundhouse or side kick. If you are just talking to a person, most people stand squared up with another individual. Taking a sideways or staggered stance could be seen as taking an aggressive fighting stance by the law in some places.
🤣🤣🤣 I love H2H reaction to - Getting poked in the eye will not be that effective.. (Eye Poke - it is not a finishing move, but one that opens the world up to you to deliver a finishing move!!!)
Did a similar thing with friends a few years ago we landed on "step on foot and push" *best* case, you commit to pinning the foot and can do a lot of damage, sprains or breaks. average case the other person stumbles or is on the ground, and worst case its just a riskier push.
That seems like a niche move where if you've practiced that, you could always count on it working, but the average person would mess it up under pressure
Sensei Seth I love your content so much and look forward to every video you make. I wanted to know if chops to the Nek really work? Is there anyone else who can help answer this question? Iv always been curious about it.
Front kick or push kick would probably be better than the side kick ngl especially the roundhouse kick. The moment your leg goes in the air instinctively they'll go to try and block and just rush you. It's more telegraphed to. The street is different compared to the all valley tournament.
"Big punch and hat toss" and just like that a new, simplified martial art was created with these 2 foundational moves
Icy mike is using the technique that jeff chan taught him nice👏
Bartitsu!!
Ahh, this is why everyone wears snapbacks
This is pretty much Bartitsu.
How is that new? It was written down hundreds of years ago when some Englisb guy named Bart made his own style and called it Bartitsu. It was basically pugilism with judo and some fencing.
Suplex is the move you should open with.
It establishes dominance.
does not work if the aggressor is bigger than you
@@EasyWinkingbe stronger
@@EasyWinking Not true, you can pick up and suplex someone bigger than you.
Or smarter, trying WWE moves in a real fight is plain funny.@@EasyWinking
And much energy is that going to burn?@@Invictustrainingmethods
Dude the Seth and Mike friendship generates incredible videos
I look forward to them. They’re always great.
who would win in a fight to the death?🤔
@@teezyrunningbear4896Mike blitzes with illegal moves and a gun.
Trust.
I'm shocked that the front kick isn't included. It has power. It can be used easily unlike a roundhouse kick since you need balance. It can also be used to create distance
Great answer, I was thinking the same thing. I also think it’s probably the easiest to learn
Agreed. A push kick or a teep (teap?) kick are great options. They create distance, can be thrown with more of a jab-like character to them. I love them as options, and they can be thrown front or back legged, and from the "interview" stance, which is how you're likely to be standing.
@@vipe650rbut a slow teap untrained will land you on your back. I was thinking if you feel the need to kick, calf kick or knees. No real gamble, nobody is going to grab it and you are still fairly balanced. Just an idea.
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'teep' is correct i believe. I agree, the front kick is great because anybody can land it with a little practice. I myself have problems with roundhouse kicks in sparring because my balance and flexibility is bad, but I can land front kicks very reliably with various techniques@@vipe650r
I like how Seth's picks are largely simple maneuvers any decent karate school could get you good at in under a year and Mike pulls out the Asura Senku like he's going to follow up with Shun Goku Satsu
Mike's kind of a kook, but its fine.
Would it still be considered Self Defense if you destroy your attacker's soul? XD
"Isshun Sengeki....
Metsu."
-IcyMike probably
Dude is going to pull off the Electric Wind God Fist, Backlash Wave, Thousand Years of Pain, Full Counter, and then finally the Spacium Beam... And I'm all here for it
Works similar to how mike does a superman its a fake low to a high punch. Which are usually really effective if you have already thrown a low kick as an opener not so sure.
Oh it's the certified "I can't let you get close" double hand push!
Proven by the GOAT himself
undefeated , undisputed
This works well because you can have your hands up defensively - as they were saying it's good optics, but also if it's someone bigger than you, you could go to an eye jab (and then run)
Petition to add Pocket Sand as Mike’s honorary move
If you gotta wear a hat, might as well also carry some sand
Doesn't Mike have a self defense conceal carry tomahawk?
I've been in unfortunate circumstances that made me use some. I'll say the eye poke was my favourite - instead of an interviewer stance, I start with both hands at shoulder height, palms open facing the other person, a universal "I'm not doing anything" or "I don't want anything" stance, and if they move forward you strike. The clean-up is perfect, as you are showing a posture of someone who does not want any trouble, great optics.
it also tends to show the other person you're not just ignoring them(which the interview stance can do at times paradoxically,and some folks get way more aggro if they feel they're being ignored)
if you hold your hand up about chest high, with your palms up (shoulder shrug) it looks like you are confused about what's going on, not threatening at all, yet your hands are right where you need them.
👍
That's a good take, even regarding the clean-up as your point will be "I was being 100% defensive but they came into me" (probably what she said though)
That hat toss looks really suprisingly effective. It does require wearing a hat though
Water bottle, a stick, trash bag, it doesn't have to be a hat. Just something to force them to lookie-lou.
We used to call this doing the “jacky chan” in self defence classes.
Basically use whatever you can in your environment to delay, distract, or control space/time between you and your opponent/s.
Smartphone toss. Also, get a good case.
Runner-up: learn to projectile vomit on command. I would NOT fight someone who could do this.
Pocket sand.
I've been involved in several "critical incidents" over the years due to my job, so I have some experience with this. Depending on the spacing, I usually go with the old reliable one-two followed by a calf kick. If they crash in, I'll use a headbutt, single collar tie with elbows and knees. And lastly, despite Icy Mike telling me they don't work, I like a good sidekick to the body to create distance, or directly to the knee to (possibly) remove the threat. Just my two cents. Great video, Sensei Seth! It's always awesome when you collaborate with Icy Mike because you two play so well off each other.
I'd like to give an honourable mention to the front kick as well, not a teep, but using the heel or sole of your boot. I just like mentioning it because it is a bit easier than the ones you mentioned for an unskilled fighter to throw. But then of course, you need the other guy to have committed to something, otherwise they'll respond like Mike showed, and that would take some of the sting out of it. Still creates some distance though.
Good take. Especially putting elbows and knees into the equation. It’s what I like best in Muay Thai.
@@_Pauper_ Muay Thai is my primary background, so elbows and knees are my bread and butter. Round kicks are up there too, especially to the calf since they are harder to catch/check, particularly against people with minimal formal training. After joining an MMA gym, my punches/boxing improved too, so that's why I tend to start most engagements with the jab. And the front leg side kick I mentioned in my original comment is something I picked up along the way, but admittedly, that's probably the highest risk technique that I would try in a self-defense scenario. Most of the incidents I've been in (I work in corrections) have been against guys that are very effective street fighters, but also have minimal (or zero) training, so I tend to gravitate towards low risk/high reward techniques that my attacker is less likely to see coming. In my experience, their opening attack is (more often than not) going to be a big overhand punch or a full body tackle. I try to avoid the ground whenever possible because of the likelihood of multiple attackers joining the fray, but thankfully, I also have back-up coming to rescue my ass when things pop off most of the time.
Honestly surprised it wasnt mentioned until like half way through when Mike was throwing some elbows at the target, but just a quick upwards elbow into guard seems like a contender for anyone who is trying to invade your space. Even if you miss, worse case scenario is you are elbow blocking their hook.
Also surprised nobody mentioned the classic swift kick to the south pole; besides predictability score being very weak, can't imagine the other categories would ever be worse than a 4/5.
Haha! The "uh" behind the camera at 12:23 when Mike says he would forget her. Watching you guys has been such a joy over the last few days!
I'm surprised the front kick wasn't mentioned it hurts and can creat distance, personally it's worked very well
That's Mike's favorite move too
Because the average yahoo is going to /try/ to catch it and if that happens you now need to be the better wrestler and being twice their size wouldn't hurt either.
It's a great option, and comes from the "interview" stance you're likely to be in while talking/trying to deescalate.
@@seansnyder2855 I don't think I agree. I mean, sure, if you just leave it hanging out there, telegraph terribly, or you're a moron and try and kick them much above belly button. A roundhouse above the belt is VERY catchable, because it comes right under the arm, and catching it is a very natural motion. A front kick is not as catchable as people think, unless you know it's coming or have experience with them. That being said, I agree that having some wrestling/take-down defense is a lifesaver. Even if they don't catch it, it can catch on something or you can slip.
Groin kick as well
As an English guy, hearing Mike using the word "daft" makes my soul happy
That’s actually part of how daft punk got its name I think. A British magazine or newspaper didn’t like them and called them daft punk. Generally the British news particularly really the celebrity stuff are really brutal and like hound people but they ironically and unintentionally they helped create that name by hating on them. And daft punk made a great soundtrack for Tron, or they made most of it or partly made it or made all of it I’m not sure but at least some of the songs they made for sure.
i laughed so fuckin hard at the wind up headbutt mike did oh my god
Kid in an 8th grade schoolyard fight did the comb toss during the initial circling, followed by a punch. It worked a charm. He didn't throw it at the other dude, just kinda up in the air slow. I think the other kid thought a knife was coming out, but it held his attention long enough.
Mike truly is my spirit animal.
Good idea from Mike with that Ashura Senku, the Invincibility frames on it is pretty great XD
I can safely say if someone slid at me using the power of the Dark Hadou I wouldn't know how to respond
I’d definitely get hit😂
Based on the fights I've been in, almost everyone goes for a push or a shot to the face at the start. I also think folks are most likely to be ready to at least try to defend those.
Push, punch, groin kick I'd say are the first 3 depending on the scenario.
@@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935 yeah, good call on groin kick. I'd say it is the third most common, especially among people who can't fight.
If we include items that weren't on the list like that, I would add grab too, since bigger guys try to use it to trap you and similarly sized or smaller guys try to use it to tie up your arms so you can't hit them easily.
I didn't realize "Asura Senku" had a name, but one of my old instructors used to use this when sparring in taekwondo (hey Paul if you're out there reading this), he would jump in the air, which makes you expect some kind of flying kick, you drop your hands to block exactly like in the video, then *pop* just a simple punch to the face. I saw him use this *many* times, great feint
I love all the self-defence stuff Mike is included in, it's very clear he has serious experience defending himself in rough (to say the least) situations. Whitin a splitsecond he routinely answers with a proper explanation with demonstration to match even though it's all improvised and it all makes sense in testing.
LOL!!! You two are hilarious! I love when you collab with Mike! LOL
"if we give a Roundhouse a 3, we gotta go back and give your Ridgehand a 7!"
"Ok."
I snorted my drink out my nose hilarious.
I love when you & Icy Mike do collabs...the bromance is palpable. Keep up the great work 👍👍
15:04 No hesitation. Instant success
I watched like 5 times in a row haha
06:31 Feint!
I think that was the single most effective technique I saw in the whole video.
I call that one the “Fun Key Chicken”
This vid was just hilarious. I love when you and Mike just goof around like that 😆
Love the push and its ease of teaching due to instinct. Love the ridge hand.
This was one of my favorite vids you’ve done over the last few months. Just goes to show a good friend, some cool information, narration and a few graphics goes a long way on TH-cam still.
I have personally done eye damage to a guy in a barfight with an eye jab, and I have personally headbutted an attempted eye jab (same guy's friend). A successful eye jab wins the fight instantly, but a failed eye jab takes your hand out the fight - they work when people expect a punch (punches are generally slower because with an eye jab you just gotta be fast, no strong force necessary), but they don't work when somebody expects that particular move. To say they don't work in totality is to assume you are faster. Generally a good move for smaller guys that tend to be faster than bigger guys, plus smaller guys often have to be more lethal to stand a chance anyways - though having said that, in both my cases we were about the same size.
@SenseiSeth please consider your reaction time versus jab speed.
6:32 That feint would knock me out faster than the roundhouse.
I think it is range dependent:
Your assailant is already close (probably getting up in your face) - tie up their right hand with your left, throw right elbow.
Your assailant is just outside punching range (probably walking towards you) - pull-counter type straight right into left hook.
Your assailant is at significant range - just keep moving away (maybe run, or get in your car/house), unless you CAN’T for whatever reason (loved one in distress, home defense, assailant has a ranged weapon, etc), in which case you get closer and do one of the above.
I think the most important factor is knockout possibility being as high as possible, and creating opportunity to follow up, because there is plenty of footage of people doing jabs/slaps/whatever and their pissed off assailant takes out a weapon - if it is to the point that you have to strike someone, don’t rely on pain compliance, force them to stop.
Agreed
If youre discussing pull counter, that "ease of use" rating would score it so low that it would be last on the list
6:33 not gonna lie that feint would get me lol
The best fight stance before a street fight is palms out in long guard because it looks meek, like you dont want any trouble but you can get the hands up in time to protect your head and jaw very easily.
i've always thought elbows are underrated for self-defense, particularly the uppercut elbow: it automatically covers the head, it's hard to jam and stifle, creates space the same way an uppercut does, has minimal telegraph, crashes through most conventional guards, easy to deal damage with and has minimal risk if you miss it.
that being said, yeah, it's incredibly short-range - and while it's *easy* to deal damage with, it isn't a powerful strike as an absolute. i still see it as a very effective technique nonetheless.
P.S. - if we're talking "special techniques for shorter fighters", i think the uppercut elbow is as close as it comes to those actually existing :^)
it's a nasty little thing to throw if someone taller is trying to smother you in the clinch
Why are you in a clinch? The goal is to prevent/disable the confrontation immediately. And if a taller guy is trying to grapple someone smaller, that's also a mistake lol.
Great vid! Love the ridge hand! Long live “Best of the Best”
A good point with Mike saying he doesn't generally hit that hard. While his hardest first-shot might be enough to be a fight ender, i totally get his style of picking something that has speed & surprise. You can't blame him for that, or on the other hand, blame Seth, for wanting to land that big power shot, considering that hes substantially bigger & stronger
I love these types of discussions. I have them all the time with different martial arts practitioners. Also, I was hoping to see a cross punch on one of your lists, maybe it falls under "big punch" haha
One might argue that punch after hat toss is an escalation - you had an opportunity to escape (toss & run), but you chose to attack instead.
Roundhouse is so hard to learn correctly. And how about for short people? Idk why Mike didn't bring that up.
Simple front snap kick would do better I think
Oh seth!!! Just your daily reminder that you should do a full kendo video. Love ur videos :)
Seth and Mike, you both know the perfect self defense move is to just get really angry.
I like this whole circle of channels, Seth, Mike etc. Followed you guys for years. But it’s funny that before you guys used to diss krav maga and other ”self defense oriented” arts. Now, after you were in the tournament and tried that type of training I see you guys doing more and more similar things like in krav maga. Mike has even realised the value of eye pokes -> a reaction -> head control. It’s good because my experience as a compratively smaller guy vs the people I trained with is that vs a guy the size of Seth head control takedowns is the only really reliable grappling. Forget his body and twist his head into the ground. Grab head-> finger in eye gives a flinch and you just follow with the flinch and twist the head to off balance. It is very powerful from the clinch. It’s also great to deny takedowns, shooting and slams. Try it with Mike, you pick him up and try to slam him and everytime he grabs your head with both hands (back and front) and pushes his fingers into your eyes. See how many slams you get out of 10, I’m guessing 1.
Have the cops been called on you guys for fighting in parking lot? 😂😂😂😂 2:21
It's kind of a circumstantial subject really. How you react could depend on the amount of space you have. If the person is in your face trash talking or threatening a headbutt might be best. If you have some distance between you. A punch, kick, ect. Would be better. Awesome video, it's informative in many ways
You guys are hilarious together!
I love that at the end he's like so we did all this just so you can say no matter the circumstance you're gonna throw your right hand then the camera just nods in agreement, fantastic...
If you're a better striker than your opponent, I actually really like the push. It might not end the conflict, but it takes away their element of surprise
You guys are awesome!! This video encapsulates what I imagine true lifelong childhood best friends are with each other ❤
My take on eye pokes - it's effective, yes, but only if you are trained enought. Ease of use? Definetely 1. Of all the moves in the list, it is the most difficult to land. Amount of presicion you need to deliver two small fingers to two small targets is unbelievable, hard even if you are trained. Then we add factors - adrenaline makes you less accurate, while at the same time your reaction becomes quicker. In a dangerous situation untrained person will most likely either miss the eyes, or the other person flinches, making fingers land on forehead/cheekbones(hard surface=fingers ouchie). People miss jabs to the chin all the time, and it is much easier to land than eyepokes. And the move is not possible in couple of situations, like if your opponent have glasses.
I think the way to do it is just flick an open hand with loose fingers at the general eye area. People do that in the UFC (illegally) all the time and it seems to work. You have multiple fingers that can land, if you hit a bone, the fingers are bent so they won't get jammed, and it doesn't take a ton of force to hurt an eye, plus it's relatively easy.
I get your point, but your example is not suitable. People doing it in ufc (both trained proffecionals) is not what the video is about. 1) ufc fighters are accurate, 2) ufc fighters don't flinch when they are taking hits, especially if they thinks it's just a jab. We are talking about untrained people doing things. We see roundhouse kicks in ufc, but they are rated 1 in ease of use.
Also, i get that there is a way to make it less painful for fingers, but it still is painful. Flinch your fingers lightly at the wall. It will hurt anyway.
Surprised to see no wrestling or grappling moves on the list, but some interesting techniques were explored. Big fan of the ridge hand strike, even though I prefer a variation of the Bone Strike Bas Rutten cultivated for bare knuckle combat.
1:02 Mike is litteraly Saitama
Great video. This was fun and still filled with useful information.
As a Gojuka, I strongly agree with the results here as my go-tos would be a push or eye jab. I do love the three hours of testing tho for Iron Mike to say "just punch 'em!"
That was dope af ! Great vid
Wait who won?
Side kicks
The viewer tbh
I'm shocked that after all this time I still haven't seen sweep kicks getting covered by either of them. At least on paper it seems like the perfect opening move, relatively easy to learn, if it works your opponent's on the ground and you've bought time and worn them out some, low chance to be caught, and just like a ton of other positive aspects to it. It just seems like the perfect move for most anyone in a basic self defense scenario
Sweeps would be harder and take a little longer to learn for the average person to use or defend. Plus, I'm sure most people don't consider it at first.
Not really easy. Attempted once in training and the arm post on torso reliably makes people back away, making the sweep miss. And theres no guarantee youre landing the sweep on a light foot. The thing seems high level imo. Or perhaps im too noob for that one idk
I wish sweep kicks were that good
17:44 conclusion
I think you should consider starting position as well and social context. In my opinion rising your hands above your chest level is communicating "We are about to fight". This is very instinctual thing if someone comes close to you with their hands up, the person being approach instinctively feels threatened and usually raises their hands as well.
I think Seth made a good point about the eye pokes. It is much less effective if you close your eyes. Professional fighter are trained to keep their eyes open when something approaches their faces and eyes pokes are strictly forbidden. When something approaches your yes the natural reaction is to close the eyes and turn the face. And anything moving towards your eyes is very easy to notice.
those charts are fire! nice job seth!
For me, Eye Gouge at close range, Groin Kick or Throat Strike at mid range. These are fast, easy to do, reliable and cause a lot of pain so you can escape the situation.
I love seeing their different styles contrasting with one another
Seriously, read up on '"Geoff Thompson The Fence."
Brilliant, simple, and can be tweaked for different positions.
my favorite is the eye poke, because it also works as a palm to the face and will buy you the most time before they can formulate an accurate attack.
Roundhouse kick takes quite a while to master, in order to have enough stopping power. Secondly, it is
also pretty difficult to land flush without a setup, unless the other guy is completely clueless. And if it
doesn't land flush, it will require further actions. And sometimes so even despite landing flush.
A thai-style low kick would be a better choice, however - it also needs to land flush, to have a prompt
punching follow-up or setup - or both; AND it has to hit with precision. If the altercation is unavoidable,
the best fight response is a balls kick followed by a 1-2 (or more). With the correct eyes feint, - the kick
to the balls launches invisibly, and a 1-2 lands like out of nowhere. After that, if the fight is still going,
the distance is probably going to change, or you will have to adjust it your way, - if you find any other
change not in your favor. My kickboxing/muai-thai friends would insist on switching the balls kick to
a low kick... Nevertheless, however the fight is initiated, the first strike needs to have a follow-up, you
can't put too much faith in just one move standalone. There is always a chance that the aggressor
will weather the hit and still go on attacking. Gotta be prepared for this and preempt such scenarios
the best you can.
The Big Push is my favorite of that list and it's not bad for a surprise hit. Generate the power of a Sumo hit and you can definitely sit most people down. Then you have time to get away.
A backhanded eye flick distraction as part of a 1,2 combo followed by a power punch
Only half way through vid but I can already tell the "hat toss" is the clear winner... and I think I'm going to start wearing hats!
Gotta be push in most circumstances. That one should have a 5 for ease and usefulness as well as being legal in basically every aelf defence situation, even pre emptively.
Chael Sonnen's "i cant let you near me" push was legit the master class perfect response.
Eye jab is least legal.if u take out someones eye in self defence some jurisdictions will screw u
Big guy and small guy fight differently
I love the banter between you two. 😂
9:47 I’m fucking dead. 💀
I think the side kick would be easier to get away with in a court case especially if you took some steps back to create distance from them. You also get to lean away from them when a push or punch you would normally need to lean in witch adds to the chance of a counter and would not look like you are trying to avoid the fight as much.
I genuinely think hat toss is the single best thing on this list. Will it end a fight? No, but versatility is insane. No one knows what to do when you do it. Thow a kick afterward if you need to, but a lot of the time thats enough of a head start to entirely disengage with the situation. Its also a great thing to trip up your friend's when rough housing. Gotten a good few moves on a friend just because im two of ten that regularly wears a hat.
14:03 an off foot roundhouse to be specific. If you're right handed, and have no kicking martial art background, that left leg ain't going anywhere
I love how Mike is so blunt. "ARE YOU DAFT." Phrased as a question, punctuated as a statement. 😂
I freakin' loved this video.
That's a nice hat toss by Mike, followed by a jab.
Thinking about it, I need a list of sucker punches
WORLDSTAR!
im shocked the kicks were aimed high, rather than to the leg, or knee. Great video though guys. I love this concept, and would love to see you guys expand this out to your normal collaborators and see what the overlap is
2:19 I'm mad you didn't go with surprise and fear... And a ruthless efficiency and an almost fanatical devotion to the pope.
Can we talk about how impressive Mike's eye-jab accuracy was at the 15:00 mark? I know he trains it regularly, but *damn*.
You guys should take it on the road. Hilarious! But...practical!
The push/double palm strike make the most sense to me. Anyone can do it and it's easy to stand in a non threatening position and throw it with no load up and get out of there if you can actually fight.
So i won most of my kumite tournaments (Shotokan 3 pt sparring) with a back flick jab. I won streetfights just my dotting the Eye's with finger extension...they could not see it coming and could not see for the follow up. Eye jab after feign groin kick or hat toss is gold!! Loseing the eyesight is why the Flashlight debuff works in Icy mike's videos!
the best move is a arm movement which consist of a grab and pull movement, into a squeeze with the finger.
I've been out of shape for the last 15 years, and the only thing I can realistically pull off is eye jab and push. I think it's also the same for most people
I would have gone with a simple front kick/teep over a roundhouse or side kick. If you are just talking to a person, most people stand squared up with another individual. Taking a sideways or staggered stance could be seen as taking an aggressive fighting stance by the law in some places.
Jeff has it copyrighted hahah i am dead 😂
🤣🤣🤣 I love H2H reaction to - Getting poked in the eye will not be that effective..
(Eye Poke - it is not a finishing move, but one that opens the world up to you to deliver a finishing move!!!)
Did a similar thing with friends a few years ago we landed on "step on foot and push" *best* case, you commit to pinning the foot and can do a lot of damage, sprains or breaks. average case the other person stumbles or is on the ground, and worst case its just a riskier push.
That seems like a niche move where if you've practiced that, you could always count on it working, but the average person would mess it up under pressure
You look like the American Tom Aspinall. Both elite martial artist's that have trained since you were kids. A video with you both would be amazing
Pocket sand is the best opening move imo
Sensei Seth I love your content so much and look forward to every video you make. I wanted to know if chops to the Nek really work? Is there anyone else who can help answer this question? Iv always been curious about it.
Did bro just said he won't get hurt from eye poke 💀💀💀
What is the song that starts at 12:25? It sounds so familiar
12:21 "Oh" indeed.
And I'd add...
My
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Front kick or push kick would probably be better than the side kick ngl especially the roundhouse kick. The moment your leg goes in the air instinctively they'll go to try and block and just rush you. It's more telegraphed to. The street is different compared to the all valley tournament.
Atomic Drop: 5/5
End of fight.
End of discussion.
This is both informative and fun. You guys should team up 🤣🤣🙏🏻