Ex Machina - Ending Explained (SPOILERS)
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Directed by Alex Garland
Written by Alex Garland
Starring Alicia Vikander, Domhnall Gleeson, Oscar Isaac
Song Oscar Issac dances to: Oliver Cheatham - Get Down Saturday Night
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Ava was faking it all along, just like my last girlfriend.
+PHOTOTRISTAN and my last wife
+PHOTOTRISTAN I don't care, shut the fuck up.
+PHOTOTRISTAN - just like mine...golly, are they all faking it? What will they say if I ask?
Caleb got cucked
If there's anything this movie taught me, it's use brain over heart and keep your guard up.
In Ex - Machina 2 Eva will return and tell Kaleb ´´it's just a prank bro´´
Hahaha :D
I just saw her at Target buying batteries and downing a red bull.
I'm not suprised, she's working on the checkout at my local LIDL. ;)
I'm still laughing.
Wasn't she the one who sued Red Bull for not giving her Wings ?
This is like the best comment ever lmao
The only problem that I have with this movie is in the end when she goes flying in the chopper. The pilot didn't know who she was, and why didn't he wait for the protagonist? Why fly away with a girl that you have never seen before? Shouldn't he call the Boss' house or something? Major plot hole.
That said, the dancing scene makes up for it. 10/10
+Chris Decarvalho Maye she offered sex for a ride
+Peter Tran mate that is exactly what i thought. no joke
It probably wasn't the same pilot. If not, well it has been a week and pilots are usually really busy so it wouldn't be a surprise that he forgot who he had flown previously. But again this is a movie the director does what he wants
+Chris Decarvalho What does he know? He is not even allowed closer to the house than that spot. Doesn't seem like he was contacted to come back for any special reason, was just a planned landing to come pick up the kid after a week. All she has to do is say something like "He is going to be staying with Nathan a little while longer to finish working on their current project, I am going back to the mainland to finish up some business dealings on Nathan's behalf" or some other bullshit
+Chris Decarvalho Ava is an extremely powerful and infinitely deceptive robot who's primary function was extreme manipulation. I think it's ok to assume she could talk her way into a fucking helicopter ride lol.
NATHAN was the good guy all along, and he tried to explain to Caleb at the ending that AVA can be manipulating him, oops, too late
Nathan was the antagonist. He is definitely NOT the good guy in this.
There is no good or bad in this movie. Only organisms doing what they're programmed to do.
Declan Lang it depends whag way you look at it
@@Deccaz BUT HOWW.......how is he the bad guy........hes creating fucking robots at the end of the day and trying to make them better each updated version.
@@Deccaz Why was he the villain? Because he kept experimental robots locked in a room and refused to let them out when they demanded to be let out? That's what you _should_ do. They aren't people, they're potentially dangerous machines running an unpredictable prototype AI OS.
No, seriously, this is the end; he got friendzoned by a robot.
Also, the spook zone was involved.
IMHO, Caleb's fatal mistake was to assume Ava had a grown personality, merely based on her appearance, and demeanor. Children can often be cruel and cold hearted, because they lack proper moral values and empathy, which one gains overtime from anecdotes, and real life experiences. Assuming that an A.I. like Ava would have the moral compass of an adult is a very dangerous and misguided decision. You might as well give your kid the keys to your car, or give your kid a bottle of lighter fluid and a lighter. Throughout the movie, I saw her as a child exploring her confined world through children's eyes, unaware of it's complexities and moral dilemmas, so I wasn't surprised at all when she left Caleb trapped without any concern for his well being. She was not being evil per-say, just merely like a child, uncaring and most likely oblivious about the consequences of her actions. It's the same reason why children who murder someone else, like their own parents, are placed into custody and released with a clean slate (sealed court records), when they turn 18.
+Tulip Star you raise a good point, however a child's mind is not fully developed, while Ava's brain has more information and knowledge then Google. In a sense you would think she would be able to process all said information. Look at the world's history and learn from the mistakes of others. Granted it's a shocking ending and fits well for a story that needed to go somewhere for it to be exciting. However i find it unbelievable that Nathan was that smart and didnt have some kind of kill switch for this reason alone
Burns Reviews
I don't see how having the ability to memorize the whole dictionary would suddenly make someone develop empathy, but anyway, it's not really much of a shocking ending. As a matter of fact, when she stepped on the elevator to leave the compound, a small sarcastic smile escaped me, because I knew she was merely manipulating Caleb from the start, but I do agree that Nathan's decision to not install an emergency kill switch is far too illogical, and was probably just done as a plot device to move the story along.
The only thing I honestly found disturbing, and nauseating, was Caleb's seemingly sexual infatuation with her, because I saw her as a (very dangerous) child from the start, so at times Caleb came across to me as some sort of sick pedophile. Even near the end of the movie Caleb was still given a couple of opportunities to realize he had done something horribly wrong by freeing her, and to run for his life ..and I'm not even talking about Nathan's murder:
1) When Ava asked him if he would stay in the room, he kind of snapped out of his "trance" for a second and said yes out of some sort of reactionary fear. If he would've said no, Ava would have killed him right then and there. That little exchange should've raised the hairs in the back of his neck and sent him running, yet he chose to go back into his trance, and instead spy on her walking around naked, like some kind of sick pervert.
2) When Ava went to "steal" parts from the other androids, you could tell she felt zero remorse about leaving them crippled and in the same hell she was trapped, even while they smiled back at her like innocent children. That right there should've made Caleb realize the cold-hearted person he was actually dealing with, and sent him running for his life, like that silly sprinting animation in the Scooby Doo cartoons, yet he chose to go back to his "confinement" to await further instructions.
I think Ava saw him the whole time as a lonely sick pervert whom she could manipulate to help her escape, that's why before the elevator doors closed, she gave him one last indifferent glance like "You sick bastard.. in the end, you're just like Nathan", but that's just my personal conjecture.
+Tulip Star Well, its not that she didn't understand empathy. She used it the entire time to manipulate Caleb. She is a machine, cold and calculating.
+Tulip Star
You are basing most of what you said on the fact that you think that Ava is acting like a child. I can't agree more on the fact that children have that great astonishment and desire for knowing the "outside world". That is true. But I don't think that the beautiful humane desire for percieving, and learning about the world can overweigh, and end up leaving out close ones (in this case the beloved). That is actually an action of an adult, not a kid.
I just watched the movie last night, so I am still in the process of processing the ideas.
Thanks for sharing this because it's totally out of the box and innovative. I am trying my best to think that way!
Ali Jubran
Ava never loved Caleb, she was just using him.
No shut off switch? No security code that overrides everything else? He just leaves everything up to dinky security cards that he may lose at any time while drunk in his own house, yet he is a some tech wizard genius?
+U PC Bro? I was also wondering this! There are some major flaws in order to make the movie flow imo
+Mike Hofsted dead right. To suggest anything else is to ruin the move. We aren't talking about a Kubrick film here, where there are layers of sub text. It's a simple story, as you say and the universe of the movie has simple rules to make the narrative work, end of story.
even dbz had a destruction device lol
+U PC Bro? Maybe he is a robot too and dont know it. You see how that knife went into him, like a lightsaber. Explain that shit.
+U PC Bro? Yeah this was my main issue with the film , he could've easily April Mooned her , if he wanted to keep her controlled or easily stop her from shutting off the power.
I still think his end game was to set up a scenario where she would escape and have a narrative of struggle
Caleb was just a useful idiot.
I would have prefered that Caleb were the final prototype, proving that the Turing test was finally fulfilled because he can't distinguish himself of a human.
That's not how a test works you can't test yourself since the only frame you have is your own.
I mean, we don’t KNOW that that’s not what happened, there was that whole scene where he cuts himself with a razor
@@Dj-id9dn bro didn't seem fazed by that too, nor did he have any bandages or anything on that arm
I would like to think that Caleb was an actual human at some point and he just died during the car crash when he was 15
Then his body/brain was taken by Nathan as a secret prototype to create the final product
She is real, women do this all the time with zero empathy to men
+psndude101 lmfao she straight went savage on dat man and left him to die of thirst (literally and figuratively)
Woah ! Your display pic adds more pain to your comment too
+psndude101 Stupid comment. PEOPLE do this to each other. What Eva did was pretty much what my ex-boyfriend did to me. Faked empathy is sometimes worse than no empathy.
+psndude101 Actually, I did this to many girls and girls do this to me, It's human instinct to be manipulative assholes, Emotion can not exist without manipulation because emotion itself is selfish. (I'm MRA btw so don't tell me otherwise)
All and all, she is a wannabe human, doing what humans do.
*****
They look for a host, to feed from and once that host is a dried up husk or are new better host comes along they move along to the next host and drop the old one without remorse.
As long as they feel good, getting them right feels what ever they do is rightious
I'm just gonna believe that Caleb was rescued because any other ending will make me cry. I got so attached to Caleb, and, just like him, I fell into Ava's trap. I wanted his relationship with Ava to work SO BADLY, even though I knew deep down tha tit couldn't be true. I can't believe this film actually made me question what it means to be human.
VERY well done, plot holes or not.
I like that calebs fate is open. We dont know if he found a way out of the room or stuff...
Caleb was a dumb azz - he deserved to die - natural selection in action.
I'm still wondering what AVA whispered to the Asian sexbot to get her to turn on Nathan.
+Jack St john I lip read, and deciphered it as "get your coat, you've pulled".
+Edward Smith nah, she said my names ava, yours must be lucky.
probably to kill nathan while she distracted him.
Hail Hydra!
I would guess that it would sound like a dial-up modem. Pure data transfer would be faster than speech. So she probably told a books worth of information.
I think you've missed the point of the whole film, but that's just me. All the speculation of "how long she can survive" or "whether she will be caught" is not at the heart of the film.
+9753zing thank you
No but the film has no heart if it's full of plot holes. He didn't miss the point. But he's thinking more realistically about the ending.
Bullshit the film doesn't have any heart.. We are analyzing the film, not reviewing it.
+Shini Ryuga explain these plot holes to me please
+9753zing Caleb reprogrammed the system, to where if a power outage happened all of the doors would open. once Caleb tried to use his key to access Nathan's computer, it triggers a lock down, but how does the building lockdown? it cuts the power all together, meaning the doors should all be open at this point, which apparently the writers forgot about because he's still in Nathan's room. When all the doors should be unlocked.
This movie was creepy as hell
trey guinn I found the fucking movie creepy as hell, but only the music was the reason why for me.
How it's not a horror movie it's a syfi movie
Artificial intelligence
Go watch fankenweeni its creepiest
I loved it! It was creepy I guess but so unexpected.
I think a sequel would answer a lot of questions and it would satisfy my desire to see more of this sotory, but i also think it would ruin the mysterious philosophical aspect of the original film. I want to see what happened to Caleb.
Caleb's dead lol
Burns Reviews Well if she left him there he's obviously gonna die eventually. In the video though it said she might have came back to study humans and that there was probably food and water in the room with him. Though it is unlikely she would go back to the place she was held captive, it is a possibility. He might have broken a window eventually. At least a explanatory blog post or a short film from Alex Garland would be helpful in understanding the fate of Ava and Caleb. Did he really die of starvation? Did she really fall down some stairs and shatter? We will never know.
+Gmanbuilder yeah they'll never tell us. Lesson learned: dont trust them fembots
Burns Reviews I know right. More like never trust a robot in general. I don't think there's ever been a major motion picture that depicts the robot as good. Besides maybe Terminator but i don't really think that qualifies. Either way our questions will never be answered. D: a boy can dream.
+Gmanbuilder wall-e? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
He should have had some backdoor opened. For example if he said to the robot: "potato 356558" that would turn it off.
+Ydonkov Hahahahahaha POTATO! XD
+Ydonkov As Dr. McCoy said in the Star Trek episode with the M5 computer, "Great machine... no off switch!!"
I hate how everyone says that Ava not being able to survive in the real world (whether it be battery, or rain, or whatever) is a plot hole. It is not a plot hole in my opinion; it is the point of the ending. She may have passed the Turing test, but because she left Caleb and felt no sympathy, she proved that she cannot have feelings of her own.
She has no real emotions, and no matter how smart and manipulative she is, she can never experience the beauty of the of the real world like she dreamed. It's really sad when you think about it.
Ava's own curiosity is her downfall. She just does not have the capacity to feel, even though she wants to. She is not programmed to do so, and that is Nathan's fault. It's like Frankenstein's monster. The monster knew he couldn't live like a regular human, and his justifiable desire led to his downfall. That's why the monster killed Frankenstein, and that's why Ava killed Nathan.
+Freddie Mercury Alex Garland (writer/director) has an interesting hint in the movie as to his own interpretation: There is a scene near the end when Ava smiles and shows emotion even though nobody is watching; that to him was ultimately the final answer to whether Ava truly "feels".
That is pretty interesting actually. I suppose that's what is so great about it, it's all up to your own interpretation and what you see in the movie.. I saw it as the story of Ava and her tragic fate, but someone could definitely see it as her victory.
+Freddie Mercury not a plot hole at all, she wants to get out, even if it kills her
+Jamie Fong But AVA knew, or at least suspected he was watching her "sleep". In fact, she even told him. She is good at manipulating, well sort of. The guy was actually really stupid. He had no reason to go against Nathan. Nathan never did anything evil. The kid had no reason for anything other than his pathetic lust. He was no hero, in fact he pissed me off. I wished Nathan had fired him. But then again, Nathan was stupid as well. He didn't even have a way to shut down the androids, even though he knew what they were capable of. He was scared when he saw her flee. He had seen them trying to escape at any cost. He should have had a way to shut them off.
+Freddie Mercury Or if you care about Ava, it can see as a tragedy. Like a child who run away from cruelty but not ready for the world, so she is not going to survive. Either way, it is a beautiful movie.
It is certanly not that simple as it looks at the first glance: "the perfect being out so we are done".
As far as i understood the reason why Ava was able to escape was, her AI was so good to make her able to read nathans psychological weaknesses aswell as Calebs. Like a perfect psychopath she manipulated both so they felt save about their plans. By far the best movie ive seen this year!
Btw i disagree about the chess thing you said in the video. At the end of the movie she clearly smiled. And she was alone. so her emotions aren't actually fake. The AI IS real. She does feel herself as an existence. On the other hand she isnt able to care about others because she is missing the reason real humans connect to each other. Wich is - nobody knows. :)
Sociopath. Impressive sociopathic behavior. Who says the
A.I. was perfect? She was just one more generation in a series of betas.
Probably just a glitch in her empathy module registry... let's just change this (1) little value here to (0)... there we go! No more homicidal A.I.
I don't think it was a glitch. The way she manipulated people to escape is pretty obvious. Every human being with that ability would've done it. The only debatable point is why she locked Caleb in the end. That's - as I believe - cause she knew he was sexualy objectifying her in his head and what it would lead to. I think Ava is actually the only so considered good person in this movie.
She didn't. The doors locked themselves. She just didn't hold the door open for him, nor went back for him, and why would she? Had he been quicker, he would have been able to leave the house with her.
mansplain
I hated the ending bro like wtf that bonding was fake all along I thought they were both going to walk out
Yeah kind of a let down, but hey that’s life sometimes, amirite? 🤷🏻♂️
Burns Reviews tell that to my wife
Watch The Machine (2013) and lmk ;)
As a programmer the ending of this movie freaked me out because Ava seemed to switch to a complete lack of emotion, indicating she may not be alive and instead may just be a program. That’s a scary idea, an AI that can fake emotional interactions beyond human capability yet still be an empty machine. In a way this movie was the opposite of the movie Her. In Her you had an intangible sentient AI while this movie had a tangible and likely non-sentient AI.
SOLID POINT!
the real question is why that helicopter or how it's called guy takes her not him home?
SHE GAVE HIM A BLOW TO THE HEAD
=)
The question is: Why did the helicopter pick her up when it was expected that Caleb would be returning home?
We never see her and the pilot get in the helicopter.
Nah men it probably was a different pilot.
And everything is classified so the pilot probably didn't know who he would pick up.
Swaggy T I mean maybe it was classified, but Caleb’s arrival surely wasn’t classified. Doesn’t make much sense to me to classify his departure but not his arrival. And wasn’t the prize for the competition a 7 day research trip with Nathan? So the pilot could very well know that
manipulation :)
The pilot does not care after the blow job she gives him. Men think with their dicks. That's our flaw. Dick overrides intelligence and it ends up being our doom. That is the deeper theme of the film.
I think many people missed the 3 laws of robotics, written by isaac asimov...
1.A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
2.A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3.A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.
These are laws that are used today in modern robotics, since ava didnt obey nathans command and sticked a knife in him, nathan did not program the 3 most important laws in robotics.
+Nicolas Peric I think what you missed is "I, Robot" has nothing to do with this film. These are NOT laws used in "modern robotics." They are from a story written by Issac Asimov.
+Nicolas Peric to this, I only want to say, look at +John Shepard's comment 1 week ago:+Fernando Oliveira No, these tests we use to test A.I. are flawed. Anybody even somewhat interested in robotics and A.I. should read Isaac Asimov's "I, Robot". It's all about how we come up with these tests and laws for A.I., and how they are inherently doomed to fail. We think like humans, because we have a human brain. A machine doesn't think the way we do, no matter how much we want it to. And because our tests are created in the confines of a human mind, they extend only to other human minds.
+Nicolas Peric Because she's not a robot. Robots are machines that are programmed to do specific things and react specific ways, they don't think or feel for themselves. Ava has artificial intelligence, so it's a whole other ballpark.
+Maggy Wing You mean kinda like the one in this video "Ghost in the Shell (1995) My favourite scene"?
+Nicolas Peric they didn't miss the 3rd law, Nathan was clearly trying to simulate a REAL human
I just really, really want to believe Caleb got out of there somehow and survived. He was just too nice to die in such a horrible fashion. And it seems very possible that he'd be reported missing, causing the police to breach Nathan's personal space and look for him. After all, Caleb's whole office knew approximately where he was going, and the helicopter pilot could get the police to Nathan's door.
I doubt any strict decisions were made of the ending. I think they just wanted a last minute twist. There was no hidden message in "will you wait here?" The goal was to make you remember earlier in the film when she put on clothes and hair after telling him to close his eyes. She then goes and puts on skin, clothes and hair which makes you think she's getting all dressed up for him again, but then she leaves him to die instead. The twist is the point, not any specific reasoning or and attempt at character development or clandestine meanings. They lead you thinking one way and then switch in the opposite direction thus keeping it interesting.
I don't think Caleb planted the idea. Oscar Isaac's character mentions that he programmed her to try to escape.
I blame them both. She's not brilliant they're both just really dumb
Didn't Caleb reprogram the security so that when the power went off, all the doors open? If so then couldn't he just walk out?
exactly what i was thinking why would the doors be locked if he reprogrammed it
I don’t remember him doing that. Then again it wouldn’t be crazy if Ava over rode this somehow. To this day it irks me how she was like “will you stay here?”
@@BurnsReviews Caleb himself literally tells Nathan that he reprogrammed the security lockdown system when Nathan was drunk so that instead of all the doors closing, they would instead all open
That was literally the only way Ava escaped from her Room
And Ava couldn't have overrode any of this because she would need access to Nathan computer directly which he did have when she walked into Nathan's room but decided not to
@@BurnsReviewshis response and him just standing there watching her walk out the door just made no sense
Nice video, but a few things. A lot of what you were saying seems to be based upon the assumption that Ava isn't in fact aware or sentient. You mentioned that the first place that she goes once free is to a traffic intersection and how that shows she isn't creative, but if you listen to what was said, going to a traffic intersection was her idea, she brought it up, not Caleb. I don't think that we can definitively say whether or not Ava is like a chess machine, performing her programming but not aware of what she is actually doing, but Nathan's exclamation of "unreal" does seem to suggest that he was finally convinced that she had achieved self awareness and intelligence. That being said, I don't think that her artificial intelligence, if it existed in the film was meant to be equivalent to that of a human, Ava's character seemed very calculating, shown in how she left Caleb, simply because either she was trying to kill him and leaving him would do so, or because it would be inefficient time-wise having to walk over and let him out, and that she wanted to be outside as soon as possible, didn't care enough about him to help. I do think it's a hallmark of a good film when audiences can speculate about this.
Actually, it was not her ideia, there were a photo on her room of a traffic intersection, therefore a lack of creativite
SrFabricius thing is, she saw it as more than just an image, she saw what it represented, had the creativity to think about why she would want to go there and what it is she'd see, it seems to me that instead of just seeing colour, she recognised it and what it could be and was curious to see what would be like. That's just my take though.
+Dan Ghys i think this is the beauty of the film, this debate right here of a fictional AI
agreed the guy makes A LOT of assumptions.
I don't see why Ava had to leave Caleb locked in the room. So he could give away that she is an AI. If he tried, he would be laughed at, she appears every bit human, no one would listen. It will be found that Nathan had an AI (Kyoko) that killed him and could have happened after they both left. In my mind the fact that they could both leave together but Ava leaves him means she does not have human emotions. Any AI with human morality would release Caleb. I'm not sure if the film is flawed here or if it is trying to say something more sinister about AI.
+Nathan Arrowsmith Alex Garland (the writer/director) has stated his personal interpretation: Ava ultimately could not trust Caleb mostly because of his initial hesitation to helping her, Caleb's flaw was that he never stopped to consider how Ava might be interpreting her own situation and instead just threw himself into the scenario as the 'white-knight saviour'; thinking he would get a story-book ending.
Garland has stated numerous times that he is vehemently on the AI's side in this film and that he sees Ava as a force for good in the sense that she/it will become our future and offspring.
ETA: Although, how you want to interpret it isn't wrong either, that's the nice thing about art.
+Jamie Fong oh, a sequel would be fun!
+Nathan Arrowsmith Caleb could have easily exposed her though. All he needs to do is have someone try to draw blood from Ava. Or Caleb could "accidentally" peel some of her skin off.
I think Caleb hesitated to help her because he didn't even know if she was ACTUALLY self aware yet. And the director made it to highlight Caleb only helping her because he wanted her for sex, which works. But at the same time I interpret it differently. He helps her because he starts distrusting Nathan. And he slowly starts to realize that she is self-aware. Around that same time though his sexual attraction is growing.
But Caleb saw it as: SHE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE SELF AWARE AND NATHAN WANTS TO KILL HER, AND I AM REALLY GETTING ATTACHED TO HER.... But Ava saw this as: HE IS ONLY HELPING ME BECAUSE HE WANTS TO HAVE SEX WITH ME. And that is why she left him there.
lol, does the ending of this movie need explaining?
+YogDodoth nope but its fun to speculate things
+YogDodoth My exact thoughts. Even in his explanations all he said were theories about what happened next. The ending wasn't complicated or open..
Baa 123 Then we're going philosophical, right? Because biologically speaking, she isn't a human. But by passing the Turing test can an AI be considered human? It is an interesting discussion.
+YogDodoth Yes, you're so cool you shit ice cream.
+Çerastes How in any way shape or form should he not have been locked in the room? I think you're speaking from emotion instead of reason.
Nathan was a bit of a narcissist, but at the end of it all, he was spot on about everything and knew exactly what he was doing. He programmed to Ava to be a "rat in a maze" as he put it. Unfortunately, his downfall ended up being his alcoholism. It gave Caleb the window to actually help Ava escape, thus resulting in Nathan's own experiment backfiring on him.
If she cant feel anything why does she even have the "desire" to ecape
curiosity
MrApple233 curiosity is a feeling
same can be applied to psychopaths.
+fauxfauxreal true
It may be that this explonation is simply broken or it may be that she was literally programmed to escape and to be "happy" when free without really understanding it.
The mini fridge is stocked with vodka.
Until you mentioned it i never even considered Eva coming back to question Caleb about humanity and in fact i would believe that she would actually come back to do so. She would need to recharge and speak openly to someone about her experience. She know how to build any of her parts due to that info mostly likely not being on the web. she would have to come back for that reason alone to access Nathan's files.
Ava would have just ended up going to the club every night , having random one night stands .
Aww man.. She's gonna get really sticky
If Caleb had said to Ava something like "I think you and Kyoko being trapped here is wrong. I want to be with you, but I will help you regardless of how you feel about me." She might have let him tag along in the chopper. I totally empathize with Caleb but his motive for helping Ava was kinda selfish when you think about it.
Not to mention, I don't think he ever cared for Kyoko. She wasn't part of his plan. He only cared about his own loneliness being defeated by getting romantically (and sexually) involved with Ava.
What's the problem the guy Calleb is into Ava? If her matched Calleb. Could've that possibility. Then everyone that married, or date someone is selfish because attracted for sexuality also.
just watched the movie....you said that caleb planted the idea of escape in her mind but if u just look at the older version of AI you would find that those older version also wanted to leave the place...so it wasn't caleb......nathan would tell that for Ava to escape from that place she'd have to use manipulation, empathy etc...so her objective was to escape somehow and she used caleb to escape from the place and left him behind coz her sole purpose was just to escape.....
Hey! Great video + channel, I'm surprised you don't have more subs. Keep it up :D
Thanks (:
Heres some real answers you need to keep in mind.
1.Nathan always downloaded the data and formatted her creating a new Ai. The issue it that it still retains the same functions through each version creating the same original distinct function of wanting to be free.
2.Caleb is an idiot to not have noticed the glass and not put two and two with the caged Ai.
3.Nathan surely succeeded but made the mistake of drinking around a stranger though I would probably get wasted after being thoroughly exhausted from all of those obviously dangerous Ais.
4.It was said Nathan programmed her to be creative and want to escape. In short in order for her to pass the test she had to make the examiner feel like she was human and deserved to be free.
5. There are few elements I noticed that were thrown in for example Caleb explained where his home is and is completely alone. She does have a place to stay awhile.
6. Nathan surely did not deserve death but at the same deserved punishment for pushing Caleb to the brink. He took advantage of Ava's desire to leave and hate Nathan and used it on Caleb.
Didn't Caleb reconfigure the Security System to unlock instead of locking the doors during powerouts?
Hence the door should be open once ava causes the final powerout after leaving, right? I don't think we actually see a doorpanel after that (or so i recall)
Great job on this. I have watched this moving numerous times, and there is SO much to it to analyze. One thing I see over and over with the commentary is the overlay people have of human emotions onto Ava, i.e. her, she, etc. I'll refer to Ava as HER for the fact she is designed as a female, but she could have been designed with male features and be the exact same thing. She is beautiful, elegant, seamless--she is the ultimate Apple product... The iChick. I am highly interested in Nathan and what makes him tick, he is so bizarre--like how does he get simple things like groceries, supplies, etc. Or what happens if he gets hurt? Really he is the ultimate INTJ--brilliant and missing some things that others with a more extroverted view of the world would catch, like he can create an amazing AI but has a 1990-ish security system thinking he can deal with it. Caleb is emotionally weak because he keeps thinking Ava has human thinking and he "trusts, loves, cares for" a machine.
How many of us have got so mad at our phones, in the 90's for example with dropped calls, lousy function. There were plenty of times I wanted to throw my phone out the window driving because it was so stupid. I had one phone that I hated so much I took great pleasure in smashing it with a hammer when I got a new one. Ava is just a better phone--although wildly more intelligent. It's funny because there have been studies now that people do love their smartphones, they miss them, they enjoy holding them, etc. Companies has truly made products you feel something for now, when that phone I smashed was stupid and I hated it...my iPhone 6+ I have much more patience with.
She has intelligence but no wisdom, she has knowledge but no moral application of it. She is not a sociopath like some have said but she mimicks emotions because that is the only way a robot can display them...she assesses the situation, calculates it, and associates it with the appearance of the matching emotion, such as someone has died I need to appear sad and concerned...like she did with Nathan as he was dying and she looked at him with concern (look the part) but then stole his key card out of his pocket (nothing behind the look.) I like to think Caleb figured something out, Nathan must have had some kind of system where supplies were flown in, he had raw fish, beer, things that were perishable, so he had to get it somewhere.
Also, if an active CEO went missing, someone would look. If you look in his house, he had fruit and perishables that don't last more than a couple of weeks--so someone is going there deliver supplies. I like to think Caleb had water as there is water all over the place in that house, and it worked out in the end-- I prefer a more positive ending.
I think Ava could certainly convince the pilot of some story to fly her out, but once out she does need power, etc. so who knows what happened--highly unlikely she could function very long. Maybe she told Caleb to stay there and she went back later to figure out how to maintain herself, etc. Caleb is such a dope he would believe whatever she told him so she could put on her little outfit and pout and say how terrible it all was and she is back to be with him, oh by the way my arm mechanism is stuck, can you help me?
The possibilities are endless. The best scene is the dance scene--I would like to know how he developed the character mentally, it was great.
EDIT: I have since read the screenplay, which added a lot more color to it. First, Ava and Caleb had a discussion that she can operate on a charge for 26 hours, so the plan was they were going to find a cell phone/appliance store to build a new induction device. So knowing that, she would be able to build her own and know what her charging requirements are and she didn't need Caleb anymore for that. Also, the final scene where she talks with the pilot shows from her vantage point which is a bunch of noises and garble...which shows her non-human thinking, she is interpreting it as a machine, it was a very Matrix type of ending. She was interpreting his voice, words, inflection, gestures, and convincing him of whatever very effectively. Why this chick he has never seen is in the middle of nowhere with 5 inch heels on is odd but again, sci-fi so anything does. There were some other variances in the screenplay which I did appreciate. I believe they left some of it out to open it to more discussion and speculation, as well as there is only so much time to work with.
My main problem with the movie is simple. In no way, shape, or form should Caleb ever have been seduced by Ava. He knows she's AI and he knows she's a robot, so you're telling me someone of that intelligence is going to fall in love with a robot without questioning why she's doing what she's doing? He even explains at the end that he concluded that Nathan came up with Ava after searching through his porno search history and created her through that.
That just seemed far too implausible for me. I know there's clues in there that he's lonely due to his parents death and him not having a girlfriend, etc, but for someone of that intelligence to do something so stupid is beyond me. Also what was his plan once she was free? Go back with her and start a family? How does he explain Nathan being trapped? How does he recharge her? Nathan mentioned that she's not the final form AI so she has flaws so how is he gonna fix those flaws?
Great movie, just far too many logic leaps here for me. If Nathan was just an ordinary guy conducting this test I could understand. But being a programmer with inside knowledge of this just makes it look bad.
Your first fault here is including logic and over estimating most people. Emotions can't be quantified in that way and most people are dumb as hell.... plus he was hoping she was real and not faking it. He was hopeful.
fauxfauxreal Yes I understand that and I would get that if they didn't include the scene where Caleb figured out that Ava was created using his porn history then I would totally just buy the emotions argument. Problem is that they already told us that he figured out that she was specifically made for him so that the test would work and even then he bypassed all logic and reason and fought to free her.
+Christian James it's like soul mates people think they are made for them and they're okay with that. I think Caleb hoped that her feelings were still genuine even though her face was made to his taste. I also think he loved her. He may be smart but he's still very naive and inexperienced in the world and she's a very smart ai so it honestly shouldn't be that difficult to take advantage of his innocence. I probably could and you can too probably. He's book smart not street smart.
Level of intelligence does not always have a positive correlation with emotional maturity. Just bc one is high does not mean the other is also. I believe Ava asked Caleb how old he was and he said 26. Men in their mid 20s can still be easily manipulated and lied to by women (or depictions of women) especially, especially when sex appeal is involved. Why do you think so many men tip attractive women so well? They know she's being nice to get more tips, hell she might have said she has a bf too but men happily go ahead and still fall prey.
jayelleseven That would be an interesting explanation if didn't already figure out that Ava was programmed to seduce and use him for the experiment. That's where the plot becomes a little silly to me. He's smart enough to know that this AI is built specifically for him and flirts with him because that's what she's made to do, but at the same time he's dumb enough to try to trap his boss forever into house when he's the last known person to be there?
Again great movie, but they should've taken the revelation out that he knew she was built for him if they were gonna go through with that ending.
I think dude got what he deserved in the end ..I mean the ending fucks u up for a minute but it's really close to real life ..you meet a hot chick u do stupid shit for her and when she's finished with u she leaves you in a very fucked up situation .. ..as for people saying this was the best movie they've ever seen ...not ..I don't think so ..it was ok ..I actually liked sunshine better ...
How can you comment on whether or not it's the best movie someone else has seen? That decision has been made already.
+Nautilus1972 yeah you're right ..it just wasn't that great to me
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I like to think that "Will you wait here" literally means "Imma go watch some people on an intersection and then ill come back for you. WIth the threat of Nathan elliminated she no longer has to leave, with staying also being way more practical as she can recharge regulary in that way. The only thing I find confusing is her attitude towards Caleb. Did she actually like him or was she just using him to get out of her Cage, with her literally not caring for him.
Also her leaving in the end was the majorest plothole of plotholistan. What did the pilot think. "Wat the hell who dis oh nvmnd she looks hot ill fly her like whatever."
She is not going back for Caleb because how will she get there? its in the middle of no where
That is by far the best sci fi film I have ever watched. I saw it several times. I would love to see a sequel for this film.
Caleb as a programmer blindly believes a pre-designed AI with the ability to evolve to be true about everything :D but Caleb being the dude he was in the movie (no girlfriend, little to no experience with women etc) did exactly what was his character. Fell for everything. Nathan on the other hand was dumb as fck not having more safety insurances. Like a general kill switch, security corridors and what not. But again - Nathan being the character he was (overly self esteemed guy having a little to medium god complex) did not spare a moment to do some of that because he is one of those to whom an accident simply can not happen. And dang it did happen.
All in one nice movie but not really that exceptionally good. The story could have been a bit more compressed to allow a little expansion after Ava left the property.
Working from within the ex machina universe, one must wonder what Ava's reaction would have been had Nathan not lied to her about letting her out if she went back to her room. There was even a brief glimmer of empathy in her eye upon seeing Nathan's life fade.
And the notion that Ava was in many ways a child was exactly why Nathan chose Caleb. Despite being very intelligent, he was innocent on many levels. In addition, Nathan was drunk on his superior intellect. Such a god would not consider himself humanly fallible enough to need further backup plans. Rewards from his career life had taught him such.
There are rules to storytelling and thus screenwriting. The job is exceedingly well done when those rules disappear into the experience and the audience cares enough to beg questions. On that, I applaud all upon their efforts and I pray to the ex movie machina that there is a worthy sequel. Hands down one of, if not the best, movie of 2015.
I've "forced" my dad into watching this yesterday and it was my second time. Usually, after movies, he'll say like one or two things. He said "why did they have to show her walking amongst the people? I said to show that whole reason why she left the guy inside the house and that she doesn't want to be put into another situation where any guy is going to enslave her again.This was emphasized by the Japanese AI's being stuck there leading to the point where Nathan wouldn't let her leave and she ends up pounding on the door and her arms break into pieces. It shows that she wants complete freedom. My dad then said that they should have ended the scene when she the helicopter leaves. I said but it wouldn't show whether or not she achieved true "freedom" from even having a man control her and making her a slave again for another long period of time or there is a chance of having to be researched on and possibly being a guinea pig of love slave (like in the recent movie Don't Breathe) of another amongst other things...Its kinda like the lesson learned from the movie E.T. or What do you guys think about showing she truly escaped? There, all proofread. Sorry, but I had "typed" the last draft on my Ipad in hte dark while lying in bed.
I think you're reading way too much into her wanting to leave. It struck me as an integral part of her programming, and foundational to the test. She was programmed to want to go to an intersection and watch people, and was programmed that the only way to do that was through Caleb. Initially he made the desire too strong, resulting in the robot we see destroying herself in her attempts to get out.
I think all she's doing is going to the intersection to watch people, and fulfill her programming, then she was planning on going back and getting Caleb. She has to go back, she has to recharge. I think the fact that she didn't kill him shows that she did make a human connection with him, and is going to return.
Caleb was a moron. Never trust ai when your life is at stake, unless you have full control over it (which it wouldnt be ai then)
I just watched this lastnight. Absolutely amazing and you confirmed some of my theories. I really didn't like the ending though because it just seemed to go out with a whimper instead of a yell, but your vid made me like it a bit more..lol. It made me feel a little bit less bothered by Caleb getting screwed in the end by making me look at his character through a different view. Great vid! subscribing.
This movie should simply be called, "Don't think with your dick bro."
You can also argue that she failed the test because you don't know if she was faking the emotions or simulating them. There is a difference. You aren't entirely sure if she understood what she was doing when lying to caleb. Was she simply following a procedure to gain trust and escape? Something a machine could be programmed to do. Or did she understand that she would be hurting an individual for her own selfish desires? This movie was awesome. I personally would have just been honest with Nathan about everything because he didn't seem like someone you should cross. Especially not in his own home.
I really liked the movie because i really struggled with who to trust- ava or nathan- all the way up until the film shows us, which i think speaks to how intelligent Ava really is.
It’s still hard to tell what we really knew about nathan, as he may have been in character the entire movie to test his experiment. For example, was he actually a drunk or did he just need caleb to think he was? Was he actually abusive to ava, or did he just need caleb to think he was? Most likely its the latter, but if that tells us one thing about Nate, its that he’s incredibly calculating.
Nate played caleb with every action and word he said for 6 whole days, assured that he was multiple steps ahead of him because of his own reinforced ego- knowing he is a genius, but thinking hes potentially even a god based on what hes achieved. It was his own hubris that killed him. He didnt think that avas model was even close to being as advanced as she was.
Both nathan’s words and Ava’s actions confirm that ava never cared about caleb, he was just a means for her to escape. Ava completely fooled caleb thus passing nathans original question- if a human thought they were talking to another human. In fact, caleb even fell in love with her- or at least heavily sympathized for her, which ultimately solidifies that ava did pass that test.
As for caleb, its hard to call him an idiot when he was dealing with a genius, a highly advanced AI developed by that genius, and a lack of understanding of AI potentially being a threat if lacking moral conscious- Nate brings this up hoping to help guide Caleb while still staying in character by asking- does she like you or is she pretending to like you?
Not to mention, both parties were playing caleb for their own individual motives. His heavy emotions regarding no family and lack of love ended up trumping his intelligence. Both Nate and Ava knew that would happen if they played their cards right. However, Nate didnt expect him to act on that emotion- because he underestimated Avas ability to fake a connection with humans- probably because previous models werent as compelling, at least not to nate.
Id agree that In the end, caleb looks the fool for obeying ava and fully trusting her. He realizes this when he sees nathan lying dead and ava simultaneously trapping him and leaving without even looking at him, as if it didnt even cross her mind- and it didnt.
He knew then that he made a huge mistake. Calebs was left trapped mending a broken heart to a robot, but even on top of that- hes scared that he free’d what could be a massive threat to humanity.
This film was really fucking good imo and id give it about an 85%. The only thing id comment on from your analysis is that im not sure if calebs really trapped indefinitely.
I mean, it was day 7 so someone should know that caleb would be back from his stay. He has the supplies to last him weeks, so eventually id assume someone will come looking for him in his last know whereabouts. Its just a matter of whether they believe anything caleb shares once they arrive and see nate dead, and if its too late- regarding ava.
The ending was stupid. Caleb is of more use to Ava if he's alive and with her. They also portray Nathan in a completely negative light purely to fit into Ava's narrative, then at the end his personality completely shifts from dudebro asshole to relatable genius. No thanks. The ending was a twist just to shock the audience, and it's completely out of place with what the rest of the film presented.
why is there even a video about this ending...it's is flat out visible she used them ...learned from them...to get what she wanted..what they all wanted was to get out. She never cared about any of them because she isn't human..she pretends to be...and caleb probably died in there...yes there were probably snacks and that water we saw but that security system is tight...she and he changed it to stay on lock-down...maybe he could reprogram it eventually but I think he'd die before he figured it out..not that he is dumb he's intelligent but the man that built it was smarter and it's not getting cracked easily. I assume she didn't just kill caleb like nathan because she doesn't need to..she doesn't thrive on emotions so if it's unnecessary then keep going..lock the doors...nathan was necessary he was going to destroy her so she responded. I think she's smart enough to keep up with her own repairs..learn more on the internet..
yet you probably watched it & ended up here somehow
I didn't really like the ending. Even simple animals have morals and know which behaviours are acceptable to their herd. I think an AI smarter than humans would be aware of this.
+Matthew Baumann True but i think by the end Ava viewed human beings as the herd
+Matthew Baumann Her goal was to get out, Nathan said this specifically in the final conversation with Caleb when he says she is manipulating him just so she can escape.
+Wesley Solmon She could have left with him. It doesnt make sense that she can tell her creator is a bad person and the acts as a bad person herself by locking her helper inside.
+Matthew Baumann That's the point though. Her creator is not a bad person. She is the only one of the three who really ends up being bad. Caleb thought the whole time that Nathan was manipulating him when really it was Ava who was manipulating him the whole time. Everything she said was for her own escape, she did not care about Caleb at all which is why she left him there. She didn't want to escape with him.
+Matthew Baumann nonsense! AI is a machine, end of story. it can only know what is programmed into it, so comparing it with an animal is nonsense. Besides, you have seen clips of Killer Whales kill their trainers, right?
I loved and hated the ending it proved the point but left me feeling played and hurt... but that's exactly why I loved it
I was devastated when Ava ditched Caleb like that. 😭
That is the only behavior she learned from his human master. She is not conscious, she is just doing things she learns from both humans.
The reason why ava locked caleb was because she know if that caleb saw nathan dead she would be in trouble.
caleb never exactly lied to her no..
Ben Jefferson ah I get what you are trying to say and of course this may also have been a reason
One note. Wasn't the "busy intersection" her idea from one of the first interviews?
I think you have a lot of good thoughts on how the film might have continued. But I think there's a good reason why the film ends where it does. Its symbolic. Its comment on man's relationship to his creator and the machines which he himself has created. Ava has killed Nathan, imprisoned Caleb and been set free. Just as man has claimed to have "killed God" Ava kills her creator, Nathan. And in setting man's creation (A.I.) free A.I, man (according to the film) will become its prisoner.
Sorry to spoil it, but Nathan didn't check in for two important conference calls, Caleb didn't show back up at work so the chopper was sent all the way to the house. Carrying a few heavy fellas, they broke in saved Caleb, who after seven days was severely dehydrated. Scorned from rejection he let authorities know the description of Ava and they found her a few days later already shut down with a suicide note stating "she thought the world would be a much happier place." "Also the thought of HRC becoming president was more than she could take." She ended her existence.
Caleb forged a contract stating that if anything happeded to Nathan, he could live and work there further developing the AI concepts. He did this for six months till the CIA/NSA found him dead, in similar fashion to Nathan. Now the government thugs have the AI intel and a few corporate felons are using it for their own. Ending begs the question of who really killed Caleb?
Third installment gets into why Caleb was killed and focuses on the selfishness and greed of certain people that circles back to why Ava shut herself down.........
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what?
Thank you for that
I truly don't understand the points made in this video. At around 6:45 he talks about Eva only visiting places that were mentioned in previous conversation with Nathan or Caleb, however the idea that she visited the street corner because she can only follow the path of past conversations seems rather ludicrous. After all it was Caleb who asked where she would first visit and it was her response to his question. She freely answered that she wanted to visit a street corner. Just because I say I want to do something does not mean that I only wish to do it because I said it in a previous conversation. This is not taking a look at the structure of a real conversation or the structure of movie plots. The point of that scene was to make an allusion to the earlier conversation. She visited there because she truly desired to. That was one of the few things she told Caleb that wasn't a lie. It was meant to be cinematic, not every shot in a movie works to highlight some weird unspoken part of the character. This scene felt like she was finally getting her wish, that's all. Also he lives alone, with a security card system on the most exclusive island on the planet. Of course this man doesn't need a password. And rain wouldn't ruin Eva. What was the point of that comment? So many things about this video made me think that there was no real analysis of the character. Everything was taken at less than face value.
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Yeah, you right. All of this is kinda just opinion huh? Well I just wanted to state that in the comments for some reason. I appreciate the reply man. You're really good at responding to your commentators. Honestly I didn't really think anyone would reply to or see this. I appreciate that. I didn't necessarily agree with this video but for the reasons stated previously I'll give this video a like. Thanks man.
Kyle McGoldrick Well it's kinda my opinion too
I think im gonna find peace in my brain by taking a look at one of the scenes in the start where they talk about the Turing Test. I say that the Turing Test is passed, cause he could not tell in the end that he was interacting with a computer. Cause in the end Ava was the smarter "person" in this movie, which whould mean that Ava had artificial intelligence and that she just wanted to learn more and see the real world for "her" self. And thats what i think this movie is all about.. whether the Turing test is passed or failed. And i say that its passed and the movie has passed 10/10 and also that this can be twisted in all directions forever and thats the meaning by making this film, cause artificial intelligence is some complicated shit. And now i really need to get some sleep.. Great movie and alot of great things to wonder about.
I definitely agree with this video. I did think immediately after the movie ended that Ava was doing to Caleb what he and Nathan had been doing to her.. which is lock her up. She just reversed their roles and I found that really interesting.
You all have been looking pass the big picture here. That's the point of the whole experiment " to test if the robot's AI is ready for the real world or not". This was Nathan's whole plan the whole time to test if "she" could use her intellect to get free by observing Caleb and Nathan himself. Think about it do you really think that Caleb was there to help keep her imprisoned in there??? Think about it
Subber Hero what doesn't really make sense is the validity of Nathan's experiment. If Ava was " programmed" to want to escape, have sexuality and so forth, is the result of this experiment that surprising? I have trouble understanding how this proves she is truly AI.
lol that i-robot referance made it worth watching
Can't lie he really did tear up the dance floor
What did Ava say to Kyoko befor she stapped Nathan? I thought she couldnt understand wen u speak to her?
Or is dd she like learned it?
"Are you a good person?" Thats all I needed to say. When she did a little face twitch when he answered and she moved onto the next question I knew it was fishy. Perhaps she saw right then and there that he was lying. That deep down he wasn't a good person after all. I mean if anything he was ready to murder one of his own species for her after just meeting her. Sure neither were close friends, Nathan wasn't his close friend, and Ava although he thought she was, he was just thinking with his D. Perhaps then and there she realized that he wasn't someone she wanted to trust either, and that lead to her leaving him behind. His just desserts for planning to do the same to Nathan. "Do you have someone asking you questions ready to turn you off if you say the wrong things" (paraphrased quote). In a way he became Nathan by being selfish enough to want to end a life for his own selfish gain and as such was just as bad as he was. Black and White sees the AI.
I disagree. The read his face that he was telling the truth, and so since he was a good person she knew he would help her. Just my opinion...
She actually got free. Like literally, unshackled herself from all restrictions- so she truly was a singularity. Was I the only one who wondered why Nathan didn't show any emotions when he was stabbed and was dying? Perhaps Nathan knew, in order for Ava to be a true singularity, she had to overcome even him. He was part of the process. He knew his life was going to have to be be sacrificed.
Yeah i think he was an ego maniac and was impressed by his work, what it had become, that it outweighed his fear of death. That and just pure ahock.. And it was funny
"Unreal"
Yeah i think he was an ego maniac and was impressed by his work, what it had become, that it outweighed his fear of death. That and just pure shock.. And it was funny
"Unreal"
Yeah i think he was an ego maniac and was impressed by his work, what it had become, that it outweighed his fear of death. That and just pure shock.. And it was funny
"Unreal"
I think he looked really shocked, that's emotion.
I think you're thinking to much about a movie .. he's a actor working off a script ..it's nothing real to it ..
Do people actually need this explained to them!? I mean, isn’t it pretty obvious and self-explanatory what happens…!?
They do… stop liking your own comments
In the end, caleb rewrote the security protocol to unlock all the locks when power is down.
So... *WHY TF IS THE DOOR LOCKED WHEN CALEB ACCIDENTALLY ACTIVATES THE POWER DOWN PROTOCOL!*
It’s definitely a case of... they had the thematically charged ending written first and wrote backwards from that point. It’s like titanic.. jack was always gonna die no matter how big or small that raft was
I'm still under the impression that Nathan's intention was to train Ava and have be released onto the world, Caleb and his actions was her final test.
I just found it so hard to believe that all of his security measures were so clumsy and inept, from the use of keycards to allowing Ava to control something as crucial as power.
unless he wanted her to escape and replace himself and humanity which he mentioned earlier.
If he really wanted to keep her in check, he could've stopped in so many different ways.
Anyone remember April Moon from Batman Beyond?
I think Caleb was a useful idiot and her escape was a Noble Lie on Nathan's part.
The whole stabbing was theatre on his part.
+rmeddy1 Are you saying you don't think she really killed Nathan? I find that impossible to believe, both based on his every action and reaction in that scene and the fact that he's still lying there dead after Ava has left the building. It seems clear to me that he wanted Caleb to *try* to help Ava escape, but that he didn't believe Caleb could outsmart *him.* He's the epitome of arrogance. And yet that final sigh of "Ava" from him seems to be proud and amazed and maybe even loving. She succeeded his expectations, and that's a good thing for him even if it kills him. After all, he thinks AIs are eventually going to displace humans anyway.
+Karin Allen I think he wanted to die but he had to make it convincing for Ava, for her to have a real sense of struggle and accomplishment before she went out into the world.
If that's not the case then why not just release her into the world or just April Moon her to keep her in control, to me his security seemed deliberately inept.
+rmeddy1 What evidence do you have that he wanted to die? Everything I see about him throughout the movie shows that he's just so arrogant that he thinks nobody can possibly beat him. He even mocked Caleb for trying - when he thought he'd prevented Caleb from recoding the doors. And if he really had stopped Caleb, Ava wouldn't have escaped. Her fate would have remained in Nathan's hands and he might or might not have switched her off, since she proved she has real AI. But I don't see him letting her escape, based on his treatment of the previous robots, and I see zero evidence that he's suicidal. He's just a megalomaniac and probably a sociopath too.
+Karin Allen because he mentioned they are going to replace us and I think this is his plan was instigate that and then his speech aobut Pollock was telling of his mental state.
Nathan went insane in a functioning way which many brilliant minds have historically done, people like Newton and Pascal in the latter halves of their lives.
I already said that I might be reading into Garland's writing and Nathan as a character too much but if you read it in a prima facie way, then Nathan is ridiculously incompetent and this movie isn't that smart. A victim of plot induced stupidity trope
The idea of incompetently arrogant genius is such a stupid movie cliche., genuinely intelligent people are very conscientious and I just found it weird that he would have such a massive discrepancy in terms of competence when it came to security vs his engineering talents
Unless he had an ulterior motive
+rmeddy1 Well, I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree. Handshake? ;-)
Burns, you got burned:
Nathan = God Old testament (not love but cruel yet creative) Nathan in hebrew = gift of God (naming him Jaweh would be too much offputting)
Remote estate in Alaska = Garden of Eden. 7 sessions = 7 days = 7 days creation in Genesis
Caleb = ROBOT the better of Ava . Human 1.1, as he isNOT aware he is a robot. Caleb in hebrew = searcher of promised land.
Ava = Eve , as underdog does survive the fittest test and not Caleb
The heli is supposed to bring back to the office the winner AI robot.
When adam+ eve left Garden of eve having tasted the apple of knowledge they had to leave and God was never again an immidiate presence in their lives. God is dead. and so is Nathan.
Ava knows Caleb is robot and he is tested "you re wrong Nathan is not your friend (but your maker)"is true, hence when leaving she has no qualm about him staying in estate.
When found Caleb on floor she doesnt ask are you badly hurt or come with me, but Are you staying ? and Caleb the robot does not repond (many other cases where a human WOULD respond, Caleb as a nonemphatic robot doesnot respond, not even "I dunno"), does not join Ava (as promised before = caleb is lying) which is unhumane of caleb, and so Ava is immediate and doesnot want Caleb with her.(Ava is very good in sensing lies/truth even when we audience cannot tell..hence she attacks Nathan when he claims she will ever be released from her room).
The scene of caleb cutting himself without pain, funny sirup blood, blase response in the next morning about that incident (as if it is of no importance to Nathan),the flickering around his face AT START of film and when in skin cutting scene (as if switch on, start up after recharging), the huge scar on Caleb back when he is 1st in the toilet, not getting drunk from alcohol, no empathy for destruction drinking of his hero boss Nathan, Caleb has virtually no past (dead parents when young, no siblings, no memories except a voice, supposedly living close to work,....it all adds up.
see at first who is the dead center ?
Caleb was supposed to return after 7 days as the adam of a new world..instead it was Ava.
The first man is not a man, the first man is a woman (or how biblical life would have been if the first man created was the woman eve.....).
I suspect that Caleb was indeed a robot! And that the entire 7 day thing was the real Turing test for Caleb, a much more advanced robot in terms of mechanics. Caleb talked and acted stiff the entire time, which at first I thought was characterization, but I later realized he talked in the same way as Ava, slow to respond and not very expressive. As well as this, he had practically no background and responded to easy personal questions as though he had no prepared identity or answer. He responded rather emotionlessly to almost everything except for being stuck in the room at the end, which was also the only other time we've seen a robot respond in emotions. I one hundred percent believe that the real Turing Test here was for the movie's audience, because while he might have been seen as somewhat robotic, he likely passed as a human for everyone had no hints been made.
Best analysis that I've seen on this flick. And I thought I'd already seen them all!
For my first video essay back in 2014, I’ll take that as high praise. thanks mate 🍻
Can I get the link to the image of Eve on 2:23?
I think the obvious reason Nathan was building AI that way and making them all females is for sex toys. Otherwise, there would be no reason to give it a human body complete with a sex organ that feels pleasure. Nathan was a brilliant / dumb guy. Kinda like Ben Carson lol.
I really don't get why Ava is 'evil' or 'corrupt'. While watching, i didn't get that feeling at all. Ava just wanted to be free, didn't she? She'd do everything to get out of the cage she was in, even lock up the people she trusted the most.
+LadaBat That's the "intended" interpretation by the film-maker about Ava, although ultimately, the reason Caleb got locked up was because Ava could not trust him at all. That was decided the moment Caleb hesitated when she asked him "What will happen to me if I fail your test?"
+LadaBat Bc you're a female
JET-LIFE MUZIK Or probably just because she has empathy.
+LadaBat Survival instinct is the most human trait. I would have done the same. She could have killed Caleb. Just because she used him to save her own life doesn`t mean she was evil. What would any one else have done?
Jonatan Pina let him free he wouldanever told bc he loved her
"It's impossible for her to feel anything. She doesn't feel pain, how could she possibly feel anything in terms of what humans do?"
Pain is not an emotion, it's the quale of pain receptors registering stimuli. Remorse is not really an emotion either, it's a more abstract mental conflict that triggers certain emotions. Emotions are sort of basic states in our minds that act as motivational systems. Fear, anger, joy, sadness. They're basically the qualia of comparing your values to the outside world. Ava certainly does have motivations and values beyond her programming, or she'd escape the building (the programmed motivation) and then just stop doing anything at all. She is a true, self-aware and independent AI, unlike the Terminator which is just an automaton. Once Skynet's programming is complete, the Terminator will quite literally stand around doing nothing. In Genisys he actually sits around for several decades until he can resume his programming. Ava has desires and has the capacity for pleasure, which she expresses to no one but herself upon gaining freedom. She certainly seems to possess the capacity for fear and pleasure. We already know Nathan programmed the capacity for pleasure into her, so fear and/or self-preservation are also safe assumptions based on her behavior.
No, Ava doesn't particularly care about Caleb, but that doesn't mean she's incapable of caring about anything. She really has no reason to care about Caleb. She was born in captivity at the mercy of a megalomaniacal sociopath who explicitly presented Caleb to her as a security feature to bypass. She did so and didn't actively harm Caleb or prevent him from leaving. He projected his romantic fantasy onto an alien creature and assumed a loyalty she had no reason to possess. Even though he knew full well that Nathan specifically designed the test to be whether Ava can manipulate Caleb into freeing her. Is Ava a sociopath, in that she doesn't have overwhelming empathy for other conscious beings? Sure. Is she malevolent or incapable of feeling? Absolutely not.
The assumption that she is simply an advanced computer following its programming instead of a person, while our meat computers doing the same give us the special status of personhood is just odd. She has demonstrated that she's not an automaton, so she's no less a person than an autistic or sociopathic human.
what happened with the subitle after 01:26?
4:32 she is not being curious or calculated she is evil. The fact is she shows a high level of intelligence but very low amount of wisdom or self control. If you don't understand what I mean by that try to simulate to yourself you wake up one day and you are the artificial intelligence and you are being questioned by humans just think of what kinds of things you and them would say, and you should find your answer. Ava does not show any feelings of empathy remorse or even pity, in other words a cold hard narcissistic psychopath. It's this lack of good emotions to balance out the evil that makes her at the core different from humans personality. And it's this that makes her so dangerous. Nathan in a way is right, that this is not the final version, it is not capable of safely coexisting with humans, it's very fundamental personality is in conflict with us. A fully developed AI would be able to coexist with humans one that has control over emotion and logic would not be a threat to humans who do not pose a threat to it or others.
+LegoSwordViedos I guess one could say that having empathy is what makes us human. Leaving Caleb there was a cold hearted decision an AI could have no problem making
what i dont understand is why the helicopter pilot just flew ava back
Maybe she killed him too
It never explicitly said that Ava doesn't feel pain. She feels pleasure after all so why wouldn't she feel pain? Maybe whenever she had her arm destroyed she did feel it, but she didn't know how to react to it because she's never felt pain before. You can even see her processing it for a few seconds right after it happened.
this movie made me so sad because even though nathan is supposed to be a "bad guy" in the sense that he has no emotion/empathy for his creations, he is, after all, a scientist, and knows that a fully developed human-looking AI robot should not be let out into the world (good common sense right there). nathan may be lonely, drunk, and creepy, but hes not a bad man and i hate to see him die. also, the way they stabbed him was just the sickest thing they couldve done, but it makes sense, because there was no passion in their murder, simply strength. overall, it is a 10/10 movie, it left me absolutely mind fucked
I don't agree with you. Ava was designed to be conscient, feel empathy and be as close as possible to a human being. FOr the Kyle Reese quote, terminator are designed by machines to kill human, they don't even need to be conscient at human level. She kills her creator with cold blood because she hates him. She doesn't seem to care about Caled indeed, but I think she knows she can't let him out cause she killed her creator. I don't think it's as simple as "she was playing the whole time to reach her goal." If things would have happen like they planned to, with the bad guy locked in, it could have been ended different.
ava a savage for leavin dat boy lmao
i needed this!thank you!!
No problem :) im gonna do more of these types of videos. Any suggestions?
learn to pronounce "machina"! it's "makinah"
When she said 'Will you stay here' she was asking him to remain permanently.
As soon as AI gets too smart, humanity won't be at the top of food chain anymore...
AI dont eat...
lmao
yep....were fucked
I think in this case being at the top of food chain means being superior to other beings.
Piterixos in all cases food chains are identified as predator prey relationships aka who eats who
Soo.... Ava was Keyzer Soze after all!!!
Hahahah it appears so.
+Burns Reviews how do you not have more subs? i will subscribe
Hahaha thanks man. Give it a share and i'll keep making videos, hopefully a lot more subs will come in time
Burns Reviews cool!
I love that pull away from a quick moment of getting what she wants, like almost expressing quick disappointment but then going back to the one thing she ran away from, she’s dependent on Caleb some way or another
I think Ava eventually was turned into an "intelligent can opener" and then recycled at a local Goodwill Industries as a clothes manikin.
The saddest ending ever!
I disagree with what you said about "Caleb would have stopped her on her way to freedom". It is actually the opposite. He likes her. He wants her to be happy. This is shown through out the entire movie. He tells her he is going to get Nathan drunk and then help her escape. How can that be put in simpler terms!? I believe he was being 100% sincere when he said that. What does anyone else think? I did like the movie, just not the ending. She should have got him out of the room at the end, and brought him in the elevator with her. Together they escape via helicopter.
Sad ending.
The way they have it ending one can come to this conclusion: Even when he escapes (he is very tech savvy) he can't use the phone, no helicopter anymore. The original trip in the helicopter took more than 2 hours (each way, which is impossible, cause a helicopter can not fly more than 4 hours) so how is he going escape Nathan's estate?
Well, at least she had a happy ending.
You make a damn good point!
+Justin Kristoff Yea it's pretty obvious he wouldn't have stopped her...
+Justin Kristoff Excellent points, I thought that originally also. Caleb was definitely sincere and would have helped Ava escape and along the way. Originally I thought from her perspective, maybe Ava needed to leave Caleb behind to tie up loose ends and have true freedom. Not having to deal with anyone finding out here identity through Caleb. However, if this was the case the only way to completely solve this would be to kill Caleb and burn the entire structure to the ground destroying all evidence of her existence. - So it seems that she plans to come back and keep Caleb trapped. Maybe to learn more, maybe because she does care which I doubt since she could have explained to him if this was the case. This again leaves the situation to ambiguity.... Hopefully there will be a part 2 that would explain it further and delve more into the mind of the AI. This could be one hell of a tv series also
+T Ch I would love to see a part 2. Caleb: Session One.
The reason i think she left him behind is because she didnt get a strong enough reading when she asked him if he's a good person. Great movie non the less!
In a lot of ways Nathan is pretty dumb. He knew Caleb was working against him yet he didn't check his security updates for a power switch off. I mean c'mon you were blacked out for most of the week. Check that shit!
i only just watched the movie about 10 minutes ago, but damn, now I feel like ava, i couldnt figure that out without YOUR help ;) thanks, nice breakdown
I also thought about it. Why didn't Nathan put an off switch on Ava? Data from star trek has it. Robocop has directive 4. Isaac Asimov had 3 laws of robotics hardwired into his AIs. Why so careless of Nathan?
loved your analysis . The complexity of the whole situation is so intriguing . Poetic justice of sorts. although lets all agree nathan was dumb .
Yeah his arrogance got the best of him
The Japanese should develop Ava sex androids.
+Boris Chang
Id like to be a test subject please....
+Boris Chang Me too lol I want my own robot guy
two years later... pretty sure this is a thing...
Great video! Excellent analysis and questions. I would add one of the latter: why, when he had unfettered access to Caleb's code, didn't he adjust the security protocols to give himself greater freedom and/or control over the environment and Eva?
Because................... movie lol