Just wanted to let you know that you're one of the best teachers on youtube. While you're not pretentious, you're obviously incredibly knowledgeable and you share your knowledge in a way that is meaningful to us lay folks. Thanks again for your willingness to share your experiences and knowledge! Michael
This young Thomas was speaking already a whole lot of truths! I bet, though, that he did not calculate then how many hundreds of thousands of musicians he would help and inspire in this great journey that Orchestration Online has been and still is. Thank you for being such a generous soul, one can argue that almost single-handedly you have raised the level of Orchestration worldwide, God bless you!
You are literally exactly what I need in my life right now. I was torn between physics and music at university, I went for physics, but have kept music close to my heart. Thank you thank you thank you!! I'm reading rimsky korsakov at the moment, it is a weird book!
I'm exactly the type of person that follow's his heart and doesn't really care about rules and such. But I've seen now that I have to give more tought into orchestration. The thing about not lasting long is probably true and I can totally understand that. I'm happy to have found you here on youtube :)
I am self-taught composer. I started with improvised music about two years ago for some short films because I am fascinated by the soundtracks of the movies since I have memory. Now, I write music a bit more elaborate (I use Sibelius 7 for this) and all the "orchestration" I make based on scores of James Horner, Jerry Goldsmith, John Barry and John Williams, mainly. And I find these video tutorials, frankly, are great. Even if possible, I would like to send via email a few fragments of my scores
I'm a musician that plays trumpet and I'm new to learning the basics on conducting, orchesrtration, arranging and composing. I'm planning to take up private lesson in my area real soon. Wonderful tutorial!
I'm so glad I came across this! I'm a young composer who's currently working on orchestrating a violin concerto and my first symphony (talk about a lot of work...), and I can't wait to watch all of these videos! I also taught myself orchestration through Stravinsky's Rite, as well as with Petrushka and the Firebird. He is certainly a master of his craft! Thanks a ton for these videos!
Thank you so much for this wonderful video series! I am a teacher of beginning band students but I like to arrange and compose a little too, and I am enjoying the excellent and very reality-based refresher. (And my working percussionist family members appreciate your smacking idealistic intellectual would-be composers into reality for their arms/backs/sanity.)
I'm a music student who just got started learning how to write orchestral music, and funny enough, the first piece I'm learning from is the Rite of Spring! I'm definitely looking forward to watching more of your videos.
This is so true and important. I've been making orchestrations for 4 years now, and my first one was terrible. There're nowhere to learn in my city and just a few people makes it so I just run into it and... well, colide into it. As the first concert had a good reception, I keep it up and ask every musician in the orchestra about their complains and that's how I ended up learning quite a lot. This series will help me a lot to refine what I know and learn new valuable elements and I'm excited about it. I won't be able to leave this city for a few more years to study music in college, so this is gonna be and unvaluabe help :)
Thomas - the one in the photo is by Clinton Roemer. If you combine that book with Kurt Stone's "Music Notation in the 20th Century," that will give you practically everything you need to know about the mechanics of scoring and copying. Keep in mind that each scoring program has its own engraving rules, which impart much of this info automatically.
I use US legal size paper - that's similar to metric B4 paper size. And the paper weight is 120 gsm (I think that's 40-pound). That is a fine size for most scores. A4 and US Letter sizes are too small to be readable in rehearsal. A3 and US Ledger size are easy on the eye, but tend to get folded in half by the conductor when he puts it away in his briefcase. Therefore US Legal is the best, as most printers can handle that size without choking.
@prsergiomilk Arrangement is any recasting of one manuscript into another instrument or set of instruments. It could be anything from a piano arrangement to a kazoo ensemble. One form of arranging is orchestration. That is the the recasting of an idea or manuscript into the parameters of an orchestral group, which has at a bare minimum a string section, and can go up from there.
Thank you for making these videos and sharing them! I have already subscribed and I'm gonna be watching this series. I'm also gonna share your videos with my friends, this is bound to be a great resource!
As a young composer working on my first post-college orchestral piece, I look forward to learning everything you have to teach. Orchestration and instrumentation manuals can only take one so far.
@BleakAutumnMist I really appreciate your confidence in me as an instructor - but I'm getting too old to do anything except for what I'm good at! ;-) And that would be work, instead of the huge enjoyment I get out these orchestration videos. But look around, I think there are a few other channels on TH-cam with harmony tutorials.
Amazed that this video on such an obscure topic has gone over 10 thousand views in two years! Of course, that's peanuts compared to your average cute animal video, but still... Time for a remake, I think.
Please see my segments on orchestration manuals, in which I discuss the topic at length. Berlioz is historically interesting, but outdated. Modern orchestrators should study Samuel Adler's book, with the Walter Piston as a backup.
Hey Thomas. Again thanks so much for the videos! The opening picture shows a title called 'the art of music copying'. I find several on amazon. Who is the author of that one? Is it one that you could recommend? Best regards, Thomas Bryla
Actually, "today's composers" compose in a dazzling variety of styles. There are maximalists, minimalists, neo-impressionists, neo-expressionists, and many many other styles. I would never presume to dictate to my viewers how they should or shouldn't orchestrate.
@stamstuff Haven't seen that channel. If he approaches me for advice and I have the time, then I will let him know. And if a general observation is in order, I will comment on his video.
Ouch, it's quite expensive. Regarding the work you show: What paper size do you hand in to the conductor? It looks like standard A4? Also which paper thickness/weight is it? It seems quite heavy. Best, Thomas
I think you're completely off-base here. As a composer, I've learned a ton from Mr.Goss, and truly appreciate his YEARS of expertise, which are offered here -free of charge. If you find nothing of value here, move on. Don't tear down someone's charitable contribution to the art of of composition and orchestration because of your misguided, elitist point of view.
I would love to know how Haydn,Beethoven and Mozart use Orchestration.! If you know any book or links or if you posted any videos on this topic please send me a link!
I'm not a very good sight reader and I usually learn "by ear" by listening very carefully and attentively to the different parts of a piece that inspires me .. Is it a wrong approach ? I am a complete beginner to orchestration
I think you are asking me to teach a high-level, narrow approach that is popular right now amongst scholastics and aesthetes. While that's a valid form, it's by no means the only acceptable approach, nor is it very useful for beginning orchestration students. What's more, it would require months of preparation in securing permissions from living composers, orchestras, and musician's unions. Sorry, this is meant to be a joy for me, and not an endless nightmare of busywork.
I'm sorry, but that is completely incorrect. I do not support any style of orchestration, or any school of composition. And please spare me such pejorative judgements as "superficial." If you like my videos, great. But you are missing the point of this whole channel, which is about craft, not style. Student orchestrators have to start somewhere. To skip over centuries of beautiful, instructive music would be criminal. But don't mistake my lessons as promoting an outdated approach. That's wrong.
After watching the complete series of videos about orchestration, I missed something about the orchestration model currently in vogue. This model presented here (derived primarily from school of Korsakov) is only a superficial knowledge for the today's composer (like the harmony of four voices). I think the model of "duplication of material" supported by the classical books on orchestration has no place in today's orchestras (unless you are a film composer).
Good for you. Don't even worry about money either. Just work on being a well-trained composer. 18 years old is too young to be worrying about your age.
Just wanted to let you know that you're one of the best teachers on youtube. While you're not pretentious, you're obviously incredibly knowledgeable and you share your knowledge in a way that is meaningful to us lay folks. Thanks again for your willingness to share your experiences and knowledge!
Michael
I agree! Thanks!
This young Thomas was speaking already a whole lot of truths! I bet, though, that he did not calculate then how many hundreds of thousands of musicians he would help and inspire in this great journey that Orchestration Online has been and still is. Thank you for being such a generous soul, one can argue that almost single-handedly you have raised the level of Orchestration worldwide, God bless you!
You are literally exactly what I need in my life right now. I was torn between physics and music at university, I went for physics, but have kept music close to my heart. Thank you thank you thank you!! I'm reading rimsky korsakov at the moment, it is a weird book!
Haha, I am in a similar position just about 5 years later
I'm the same 8 years later.
Update, 9 years later, I'm working as a software dev whilst studying a masters in film scoring. Weird how life works out.
All your videos on orchestration are really a great contribution to all and I really appreciate it ! Thanks a lot . GOD bless you and your family.
I'm exactly the type of person that follow's his heart and doesn't really care about rules and such. But I've seen now that I have to give more tought into orchestration. The thing about not lasting long is probably true and I can totally understand that. I'm happy to have found you here on youtube :)
I am self-taught composer. I started with improvised music about two years ago for some short films because I am fascinated by the soundtracks of the movies since I have memory. Now, I write music a bit more elaborate (I use Sibelius 7 for this) and all the "orchestration" I make based on scores of James Horner, Jerry Goldsmith, John Barry and John Williams, mainly. And I find these video tutorials, frankly, are great. Even if possible, I would like to send via email a few fragments of my scores
Thank you for your time. Excellent lessons. Much to see/hear and much to learn from you. Once more: Thank you!
I'm a musician that plays trumpet and I'm new to learning the basics on conducting, orchesrtration, arranging and composing. I'm planning to take up private lesson in my area real soon. Wonderful tutorial!
I'm so glad I came across this! I'm a young composer who's currently working on orchestrating a violin concerto and my first symphony (talk about a lot of work...), and I can't wait to watch all of these videos! I also taught myself orchestration through Stravinsky's Rite, as well as with Petrushka and the Firebird. He is certainly a master of his craft! Thanks a ton for these videos!
Please continue to make videos! This is great information for people who love making music! Thanks!
I think your desire to share your knowledge they way you're doing shows you have a passion to teach - Thank you.
I just want to orchestrate for the joy of it, I will never be a pro (too old) but I love orchestral music. Thank you so much for this channel.
Thank you so much for this wonderful video series! I am a teacher of beginning band students but I like to arrange and compose a little too, and I am enjoying the excellent and very reality-based refresher. (And my working percussionist family members appreciate your smacking idealistic intellectual would-be composers into reality for their arms/backs/sanity.)
I'm a music student who just got started learning how to write orchestral music, and funny enough, the first piece I'm learning from is the Rite of Spring! I'm definitely looking forward to watching more of your videos.
Thanks a lot for taking your time, your videos are exactly what I was looking for!
Thank you so much for all of these videos! They are invaluable to me!
This is so true and important. I've been making orchestrations for 4 years now, and my first one was terrible. There're nowhere to learn in my city and just a few people makes it so I just run into it and... well, colide into it. As the first concert had a good reception, I keep it up and ask every musician in the orchestra about their complains and that's how I ended up learning quite a lot. This series will help me a lot to refine what I know and learn new valuable elements and I'm excited about it. I won't be able to leave this city for a few more years to study music in college, so this is gonna be and unvaluabe help :)
... this was done to know the opinion of a professional like you on my work.
From Mexico, Greetings.
thanks so much for sharing so much inside and taking so much time for us to give away free lessons. My sincere and deep thanks
Thomas - the one in the photo is by Clinton Roemer. If you combine that book with Kurt Stone's "Music Notation in the 20th Century," that will give you practically everything you need to know about the mechanics of scoring and copying. Keep in mind that each scoring program has its own engraving rules, which impart much of this info automatically.
I use US legal size paper - that's similar to metric B4 paper size. And the paper weight is 120 gsm (I think that's 40-pound).
That is a fine size for most scores. A4 and US Letter sizes are too small to be readable in rehearsal. A3 and US Ledger size are easy on the eye, but tend to get folded in half by the conductor when he puts it away in his briefcase.
Therefore US Legal is the best, as most printers can handle that size without choking.
@prsergiomilk Arrangement is any recasting of one manuscript into another instrument or set of instruments. It could be anything from a piano arrangement to a kazoo ensemble.
One form of arranging is orchestration. That is the the recasting of an idea or manuscript into the parameters of an orchestral group, which has at a bare minimum a string section, and can go up from there.
Thank you for making these videos and sharing them! I have already subscribed and I'm gonna be watching this series. I'm also gonna share your videos with my friends, this is bound to be a great resource!
I genuinely feel enlightened now
Very useful and well explained, thank you.
thank you sooooooooooooooooo much! im going to binge watch these
I really like everything here so far.
This is just what I have been looking for!
I am also working on finding some good books on the subject.
Looking forward to dive into your videos :)
wow this is exactly what 've been looking for thanks for sharing your insights!
Thank you for sharing your vast knowledge....
My channel has several videos about orchestration manuals, along with a monthly orchestration book club I just started this year.
thank you sir. These are gonna be great.
David Jaffe is the preeminent living maximalist composer of our era. Past examples include some of Ives' work, Varese, and Frank Zappa.
Yes! Wonderful! I love studying Stravinsky too. That, and a lot of Alkan.
As a young composer working on my first post-college orchestral piece, I look forward to learning everything you have to teach. Orchestration and instrumentation manuals can only take one so far.
IM GLAD I FOUND THIS PAGE! AWESOME. APOLOGIES ABOUT FB. NEVER HAD THAT PROBLEM BEFORE.
Thanks Mr. Goss.
Hey thanks for this. II"m excited to learn from your videos and wanted to thank you! -Sir
@BleakAutumnMist I really appreciate your confidence in me as an instructor - but I'm getting too old to do anything except for what I'm good at! ;-) And that would be work, instead of the huge enjoyment I get out these orchestration videos. But look around, I think there are a few other channels on TH-cam with harmony tutorials.
Thank you.
Sure, Luis, please send your score anytime. I'm very busy, but I will try to look at it soon.
Amazed that this video on such an obscure topic has gone over 10 thousand views in two years! Of course, that's peanuts compared to your average cute animal video, but still...
Time for a remake, I think.
OrchestrationOnline how far we’ve come!
Please see my segments on orchestration manuals, in which I discuss the topic at length. Berlioz is historically interesting, but outdated. Modern orchestrators should study Samuel Adler's book, with the Walter Piston as a backup.
Hey Thomas. Again thanks so much for the videos! The opening picture shows a title called 'the art of music copying'. I find several on amazon. Who is the author of that one? Is it one that you could recommend? Best regards, Thomas Bryla
Actually, "today's composers" compose in a dazzling variety of styles. There are maximalists, minimalists, neo-impressionists, neo-expressionists, and many many other styles. I would never presume to dictate to my viewers how they should or shouldn't orchestrate.
@stamstuff Haven't seen that channel. If he approaches me for advice and I have the time, then I will let him know. And if a general observation is in order, I will comment on his video.
Great Work.
Thank you
thank you good sir!
Thank you so much
Thanks!
Does "Orchestration Online" have any information, e.g. videos, articles, etc. about how to score for chorus? Thanks.
Ouch, it's quite expensive. Regarding the work you show: What paper size do you hand in to the conductor? It looks like standard A4? Also which paper thickness/weight is it? It seems quite heavy. Best, Thomas
THANKS!!!!
im totally suscribed !
I think you're completely off-base here. As a composer, I've learned a ton from Mr.Goss, and truly appreciate his YEARS of expertise, which are offered here -free of charge. If you find nothing of value here, move on. Don't tear down someone's charitable contribution to the art of of composition and orchestration because of your misguided, elitist point of view.
does anyone know what is the book in the beginning with the astrology symbols on it?
great. suscribed.
I am a horn player... definetly don't object to that comment about high C's. 😂
I would love to know how Haydn,Beethoven and Mozart use Orchestration.! If you know any book or links or if you posted any videos on this topic please send me a link!
I'm not a very good sight reader and I usually learn "by ear" by listening very carefully and attentively to the different parts of a piece that inspires me .. Is it a wrong approach ? I am a complete beginner to orchestration
Amazing!
thank you!!!)
Thanks for posting!
who would you recommend as a good example of a "maximalist"? Thanks
MAHLER!!!!!!!!!!!!
yeah
Fantastic...
Did I just fall into Wonderland?
I think you are asking me to teach a high-level, narrow approach that is popular right now amongst scholastics and aesthetes. While that's a valid form, it's by no means the only acceptable approach, nor is it very useful for beginning orchestration students. What's more, it would require months of preparation in securing permissions from living composers, orchestras, and musician's unions. Sorry, this is meant to be a joy for me, and not an endless nightmare of busywork.
I am 18 years old, do I start composing orquestral stuff too late? :(
Don't worry about age. Just focus on passion.
Can someone please tell me what the intro music to this video is?? Please and thank you!!
Steven Treminio Capriccio Espanol by Rimsky-Korsakov
Steven Treminio 4th movement
Yikes I'm 32, I feel like I'm a _little_ late to the orchestration party after being a pianist/organist for so long.
Don't worry about that. 32 is adolescence for a composer/orchestrator. It's only old age if you're a gymnast or a ballet dancer.
Rimsky korsakov the best composer
Unison melody.
To become a great artist, you must first be a better artisan. That's what I got out of this video, and it's so true. Amen, lol
5:53 because I need to feed my family... OK !?!
I'm sorry, but that is completely incorrect. I do not support any style of orchestration, or any school of composition. And please spare me such pejorative judgements as "superficial." If you like my videos, great. But you are missing the point of this whole channel, which is about craft, not style.
Student orchestrators have to start somewhere. To skip over centuries of beautiful, instructive music would be criminal. But don't mistake my lessons as promoting an outdated approach. That's wrong.
Rimsky-Korsakov The Best for Me
After watching the complete series of videos about orchestration, I missed something about the orchestration model currently in vogue. This model presented here (derived primarily from school of Korsakov) is only a superficial knowledge for the today's composer (like the harmony of four voices). I think the model of "duplication of material" supported by the classical books on orchestration has no place in today's orchestras (unless you are a film composer).
I don't care about money. I would prefer 100 times more being poor and do great music than being rich and do worst music.
Good for you. Don't even worry about money either. Just work on being a well-trained composer. 18 years old is too young to be worrying about your age.