Why Don't You Believe In God | Brent-LA | The Atheist Experience 946
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- The Atheist Experience 946 for November 29, 2015 with Matt Dillahunty and Don Baker.
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A big fan of this call. I rag on some of the show's callers because they try to speak from a position of authority that they don't, and can't, hold. Brent struck me as a person just trying to figure things out without the anger, fear, or arrogance other callers have shown. Wishing you well on your journey, Brent!
Agree. This caller showed humility. I also agree with your observation that many of the callers to the show are arrogant and assume they have all the answers. Ironically, it is typically those callers who are the least prepared to defend their positions and claims.
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Yeah, this is easily one of the better calls.
This comment had me thinking about how, when online, I try to be careful, mindful, and quick to apologize and correct myself if I, or the person I am speaking to points out an error, but offline, I am sometimes quicker judge the sincerity of the person I am talking to, and I think that's because I can see the other person's facial expressions.
It's funny how different those wo interactions can be; when online, people get the largest amount of my patience as I will forgive what would be seen as utter disrespect offline, because I can't tell why they responded in such a way.
Yes. This was a very good call. Brent is definitely showing humility and honesty.
I love how Matt takes serious calls seriously. He can be the biggest jackass in the world when the caller goes that way, but if the caller is genuine and honest he's the nicest person in the world.
Yea I completely agree with it all. Well said
yup, Matt catches a lot of flak, but he tends to give back what the callers give.
It shows to haters of Matt that he can be nice just be honest first.
Honesty is difficult for those who call in with one or more agendas. They come off as scripted and absurd without even meaning to... so excellent when he chops em up.
@@hardryv3719 Yep, they deserve the chop!
I do have to say that for all the callers I have seen on this show, Brent was very calm and genuine in his debate with Matt. Very unusual demeanor for these callers.
And notice how that brings out Matt's best demeanor. He calls it Zen, I see it as coaching/mentoring mode.
This was a GREAT call. Even though Brent clearly hadn't formed his ideas and objections very well, he was willing to listen, responded to the best of his ability, and his replies were HONEST. Good dynamic between Matt and Don too, which absolutely wasn't always the case.
Sadly, many other theists don't want to listen, they'll simply repeat their claims without offering any scientific evidence supporting their claims and pretend they "win".
@@walnutoil100 have you presented any scientific evidence that a God does exist ?
@@walnutoil100 you get no further answers or evidence from me until you can begin acting like an honest interlocutor and answer my questions.
Go back to the posts where you've been ignoring my questions after I've answered yours and answer my questions.
@@walnutoil100 William hasn't claimed a god does not exist, and therefore doesn't have the burden of proof to provide such evidence.
@@_Louch_ NHE spends all his time trying to shift the burden of proof.
It's almost like he knows he has no scientific evidence supporting the existence of a god.
I enjoyed that video. An actual, genuine caller not looking to preach, get hysterical, or argue in circles. Honestly sounded like someone who’s simply worried that they might be questioning what they believe, and is seeking advice outside of their own social bubble. Kudos.
Ya, refreshing!
All that stuttering, happened because his thoughts were contradicting his belief. It’s beautiful, this man is in the same path I took 10 years ago…
As long as he can figure it out before he's conditioned to ignore that cognitive dissonance.
yes, great call, and Brent is courteous, a thinker, and a listener, and an honest communicator. an explorer with a heart. very productive communication.
**DNA : the story of the genetic revolution**
by James D. Watson, with Andrew Berry and Kevin Davies
, The genome sequence provides a detailed parts list for assembling the organism but doesn't actually reveal how to build it or how it works. pg476
*DNA : the story of the genetic revolution*
by James D. Watson, with Andrew Berry and Kevin Davies
Actually the deeper you study things the more impossible it is to have faith in evolution...
bv12 Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
A god would send eloquent apologists to the comment section armed with convincing arguments, but all we get is gramps and no hope enterprises.
And a trans bigot who fakes accounts.
@@ajclements4627 who?
@@poozer1986 He’s got a ton of alts.
Hambone Jomamma/Ham Bone/Atheism Exposed/Rev. Cletus/Rev. Bubba Flavel/Christen Dom/Rev Fester Bester/Reclus iarch/Joe Crank/Truth Bomb/Reverend Festus/Festus is Bestus/Tom Me/Thug Life/Fester B thuggin/Joe PhoneBone/No Hope Enterprises (Possibly, as JPB and Hopeless share a lot of the same stock responses)/A.J. Clemants (started to try and impersonate me a couple of days ago)
He’s also got five fake Ook the Librarian alts and four or five fake Blargleman the Skeptic alts (all misspelled).
@@ajclements4627 and I'm sure you have evidence to back this up. Most likely not, and just paranoid.
@@poozer1986 The evidence is all over the threads, it’s not hard to see.
Maybe it’s just selection bias of which clips pop up in the algorithm, but it seems really rare for there to be honest callers.
It's a time-thing.
Years ago, we had genuine callers - theist or not.
The ones we get now are on the same level as our resident trolls.
Honestly, I used to watch the streams. It's not the algo, it's a selection bias of who calls in. People call TAE to argue and push BS, and do so to a lesser degree on shows like Talk Heathen.
i think they've just been trying to flood the airwaves with their BS, its like they're part of a group and calling each different show each with the questions the last church circle troll was asking, just to waste time and kill the show, but its not working
I started the same way as this young man: think and ask questions.
Religions tell us that god created mankind with a brain; but let's NOT use it, and have Faith instead.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 just gonna ignore that faith problem, buddy?
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Oh, for goodness sake. . . The word you're looking for is *creatureliness!* Get that right, at least.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 You get a god, he gets a god, everybody gets a god. All cool and all of you to give a god for everyone, but where do you get all these gods? You pull em from your ass?
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Faith is useless.
3000+ gods believed in around the world based on faith.
There is no evidence that ANY of them exist…but let’s say one of them does - That means faith has a 1/3000 chance of getting you the correct answer.
That’s 1500 times less reliable than just flipping a coin.
Yeah, definitely credit to that kid for engaging in honest and thoughtful dialogue. It's amazing how this God of theirs purposefully intended the creation science and logic. Two of the biggest tools responsible for stripping away claims of his existence and deeds. He's either a sado-masochist, an idiot, or just not there.
There should be a "Where Are They Now" segment for this one! Great clip!
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Mine's in the land of magical fairy tales :)
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Ah, so you have evidence of gods not being imaginary?!?
I'll be happy to hear your top 3 proofs explaining that.
So far from what I gathered, there is NOTHING that can show me wether gods (in general) are imaginary or not because no one can prove a negative and because no religion has shown any evidence.
The burden of proof lies upon you and baseless assertions like your previous comment don't work in the real world.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 ..............Boring Delusional Daddy is back to provide us with evidence for his delusions and latent homosexuality. Always talking about sausage fests and never providing any evidence for anything he asserts about his god. His ignorance is encyclopedic. He knows so little yet knows it so well.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 I am evidence that my parents had sex.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Evidence is a body of facts which are positively indicative of, and/or exclusively concordant with one available position (or hypothesis) over any other.
I am asking:
What are your facts, what is your evidence and MOST IMPORTANTLY: --> why is it positively indicative of, and/or exclusively concordant with your position.
Unless you reply with a proper/valid answer to this question (preferably with a list of your TOP 3 REASONS/PROOFS WITH EXPLANATION),
*you would forfeit your position* as your "argument" would be considered unsuported useless rabmling by any honest or reasonable person/standard.
If the above was too hard of a concept for your brain here's the short and dumb version:
You said: "You are evidence (of god)"
I say: "Show me why"
Just saying: "Yes you are because I say you are honey" ain't gonna cut it.
Whenever I meet a honest believer I get no great thrill in watching them struggle with the facts not in line with their beliefs . Its painful for both of us but much like a vaccination jab its ultimately a necessary pain.
As a believer, though not a traditional Christian, I appreciate and welcome challenges to my belief, because a belief based on unchallenged assumptions is simply a security blanket. I watch this channel because the better arguments are the anti faith ones, and it is only the difficult questions that help us think.
I get the feeling that Brent may be a budding atheist. Having grown up in a very religious environment, these sound like questions I would have asked when I was young and beginning to doubt. Instead I spent a few years in a religious order until I asked myself why a perfect God would create an imperfect universe and punish us for its imperfection.
Edit: which is basically where the conversation went. 😊
Thanks, AXP, for bringing this episode back. This is one of Matt's best hosting sessions: he explained his views clearly and listened closely and gave the speaker the opportunity to present his views, i.e., ask his questions.
it is because caller is not dishonest and is not wasting time compare to recent callers do.
It would be nice if any gods would please stand up. I'm sure we all want to know the truth. Unjustified beliefs will not get us to truth.
"Will the real creator diety please stand up? Please stand up, please stand up."
How is atheism justified?
@@walnutoil100 How is theism justified?
@@walnutoil100 What do you mean?
How is this stupid argument about an undefined imaginary thing justified.
I really enjoyed listening to this, it's so nice when a caller has an honest conversation rather than refusing to stop what has been demonstrated to be fallacious argument or line of reasoning. It was refreshing and I genuinely hope this guy calls back sometime so we can see where he went from here.
I miss seeing and hearing some of the earlier hosts like Don.
Me too.
Not like Matt gave them a chance to talk…
The problem is that AE & all the other shows essentially became 'The Matt Dillahunty Show'
I miss them all
I really appreciate this guy's (kid's?) willingness to have an honest discussion. I think I saw his eyes slowly opening over the phone.
Great call.
Sounds like Hiith!
People complain that Matt is very abrupt and rude, but he clearly feeds off of the caller. A caller that gives honest responses is treated with respect.
Two things God/Jesus Christ hates most. Unbelief and Idolatry. Every person/soul/spirit will be judged one day. Believers will be judged for the work they have done while on earth and rewarded accordingly. Unbelievers unfortunately will be judged concerning their eternal destination, because they chose not to believe the gospel of Jesus Christ, they will spend eternity separated from God/Jesus Christ their Maker for all eternity in a place of torment. Day and night they will cry out for relief.
this conversation without question shows the thought process that brings so many of us to the final conclusion that we do not believe simply because there is no evidence to conclude otherwise.
Two things God/Jesus Christ hates most. Unbelief and Idolatry. Every person/soul/spirit will be judged one day. Believers will be judged for the work they have done while on earth and rewarded accordingly. Unbelievers unfortunately will be judged concerning their eternal destination, because they chose not to believe the gospel of Jesus Christ, they will spend eternity separated from God/Jesus Christ their Maker for all eternity in a place of torment. Day and night they will cry out for relief.
@@paulgemme6056 horseshit
@@paulgemme6056 you can't threaten people into belief. If your god existed, it would know exactly what evidence would be needed to convince us, and yet either withholds that evidence on purpose, or is incapable of showing us. Why should we be tortured forever because of your god's failure?
I think that we were watching the birth of a new atheist in this conversation 😁
The caller seem to actually think about what Matt was saying and to actually take in the information! When Matt pointed out that he can't tell the difference between a world with free will and without free will the correct answer is to admit that we don't know, the caller agreed, and when Matt drew that back to theism, the caller obviously hit a mental stumbling block but I do not think that this was the last time the caller thought about this 💡
I would not be surprised at all to hear that they had become an atheist 🤞
I love when Matt patiently and respectfully walks people through their logically fallacies. VERY REFRESHING.
So refreshing to hear a reasonable conversation instead of illogical assertions.
In a thousand years we are all dead and possibly forgotten. There may not be any ultimate eternal purpose, BUT there's a purpose right now. We are all alive on earth now. Let's try to make it liveable. Be worthy of life. Don't waste it, but make it mean something. Find your own purpose.
Brent-LA : honest caller. Nice discussion.
For the same basic reasons you don't believe in any of the 2999 other gods in human history.
Two things God/Jesus Christ hates most. Unbelief and Idolatry. Every person/soul/spirit will be judged one day. Believers will be judged for the work they have done while on earth and rewarded accordingly. Unbelievers unfortunately will be judged concerning their eternal destination, because they chose not to believe the gospel of Jesus Christ, they will spend eternity separated from God/Jesus Christ their Maker for all eternity in a place of torment. Day and night they will cry out for relief.
@@paulgemme6056 since you can't prove any gods exist or can/will do the things you assert, we don't believe you. Just like you don't believe the unproven claims/mandates of Allah, Zenu, Buddha, etc.
Btw, you didn't even read the Bible. Jesus is quoted therein as only requiring giving your possessions away & follow the 10 commandments. Since you have access to the internet, you violated that directive & shall eternally burn.
@@arthurunknown8972 The bible is God's/Jesus Christ's love letter to you and me. He's Love is AMAZING, his GRACE is greater than our sin, his MERCY endures forever.
2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god (Satan - the devil) of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
@@paulgemme6056 just keep ignoring other people, troll. You obviously have invisible friends.
@@paulgemme6056im pretty certain you are scientifically illiterate, because if you were actually were scientifically literate then you wouldn’t be advocating for a soul or spirit. There isnt sufficient evidence for a soul. As you keep quoting the bible as if it MATTERS EVEN THE SLIGHTEST BIT TO THE DISCUSSION OF TRUTH. It doesnt. Science is currently our best methodology to determine the best possible tentative model about the universe.
I'm now almost all the way through this, and have to say I'm very impressed how patient Matt is being and how Brent appears to be thinking about things rather than blindly throwing doctrine like the majority of callers.
Can't watch with this bad sync, have to go down to the comment section and look for theists to troll.
I like that brent actually had questions and wasn't there to argue his point.
Yes, that sets him apart from a lot of the callers they have. When Matt asked questions, he went looking for answers, not excuses to justify or rationalise a position he'd taken. That requires a significant amount of intellectual honesty and curiosity.
@@richarddavis2530 Two things God/Jesus Christ hates most. Unbelief and Idolatry. Every person/soul/spirit will be judged one day. Believers will be judged for the work they have done while on earth and rewarded accordingly. Unbelievers unfortunately will be judged concerning their eternal destination, because they chose not to believe the gospel of Jesus Christ, they will spend eternity separated from God/Jesus Christ their Maker for all eternity in a place of torment. Day and night they will cry out for relief.
Why would god remain secretive? If it's so good, why not make itself obvious?
@Atheism iIs A cult don’t be so hard on yourself. You might not be very intelligent but you’re not THAT dumb. You’re just in denial.
If you were god, and you'd made the mess that the world is in, would you own up to it?
@Atheism iIs A cult Prove that you ever stopped doing that
Because god likes playing games
@Atheism iIs A cult Can you share what led to your disbelief in the evidence for god? So far you've shared that the failure of prayer, falling for red scare propaganda, and a poor grasp of history has all contributed to it. Anything else?
I was so confused with the initial questions. I'm glad you were able to sort it out.
What an amazingly logically conducted conversation from Matt, and Don. This should be an eye opener for the young man, and in the long run, hopefully, he will let the great insight from Matt and Don to shape his understanding our environment and Universe, and with the complete openness that we are still discovering things, and it is ok to say "I Don't Know", when we truly don't know, and not fill it with religious suppositions or other falsehoods. Thank you Matt and Don, and good luck, and congrats to the young man for having such a great attitude and openness to an honest conversation.
That's assuming (insert religoun here ) is a false hood.
Believing in anything without evidence is always highly questionable!
But choosing to believe in invisible overlords that have been given contradictory superpowers, rules, agendas, judgements and requirement systems..... says more about the believers than the claims or the doctrine.
So atheism is questionable
@@ministryofarguments5257 ...or simply based on rational scepticism...when no evidence exists!?
@@humanitech damn, you got three trolls to respond with their scripted responses. Impressive.
@@walnutoil100 hmm...well considering Atheism is not a belief but is just a position to take...when there is insufficient proof or evidence of a god claim.
However.... if (and it's a big If) there is new evidence that is sufficient proof of a god... then that position automatically changes.
But judging how humans like to trap themselves in their views and values...I am sure like religious folks...some atheist s will reject the evidence and remain unconvinced
@@humanitech - so we should be skeptical of atheism
He answered his question even before asking!!!
This may be my favorite call ever taken on this show.
What a lovely caller, didn't backpedal or be dishonest when pressed, and seemed to be genuinely interested in fleshing out his thought process. I hope they call back, that was great to watch :)
Surely one of my favorite clips.
Good caller, sound and thoughtful discussion.
The Socratic Method. The damn thing actually works sometimes! If the caller is honest, as this one was.
If this God knows exactly what's going to happen, then that must mean that rapists and murderers are doing God's will. All praise the sadistic God
Think about how terrible god is if it exists. It just watches people commit horrible crimes on other people, and does nothing to stop it. But - will help someone find their keys!
@Atheism iIs A cult God just witnessed humans rather than designing and creating them?
@Atheism iIs A cult god designed rapists. Some god you worship
@Atheism iIs A cult no it's not as we didn't create the murderer, your alleged god did and knew they wher going to be murderers and still allows it , I suggest if you created people you would not create the same scenarios because you would use morals to judge unlike your god supposedly done
@Atheism iIs A cult Is that witness the Almighty and All-knowing creator of said murderer, their victims, the scenery, the situation, the laws of physics and the whole time-space continuum? If he is, then that witness is not only the witness but the actual planner, executer and benefactor of the murder.
What a great call, an honest and productive dialog.
I found Brent to be a very intelligent young man trying to figure things out. Watching Matt and listening to him, is like listening Socrates, aka my questions and pointing out where the inconsistencies are..well done to all involved.
I heard the caller's brain break at 18:02
Why do people who have copy and pasted "a philosophical argument for God" from the internet feel the need to beat around the bush for the first few minutes? Just get to your point dude.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Your parents must be so proud of you, wasting so much time online acting like an idiot.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 *Your God copy pasted you creature*
Does it use ctrl-c, ctrl-v? Or does it right click like a god damn heathen!?
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 So you know god copy and pastes but don't even know if he uses ctrl-c, ctrl-v!? Well you're useless.
Even good philosophical arguments for God, still rely on special pleading for any particular god.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 ............Boring Delusional Daddy is back to provide us with evidence for his delusions and latent homosexuality. Always talking about sausage fests and never providing any evidence for anything he asserts about his god. His ignorance is encyclopedic. He knows so little yet knows it so well.
This was such a good call focused on learning and understanding. Would love to have a listing of similar others!
A vital ingredient of this conversation was nobody was being told what to think. It was an exploration of the thinking process, how decisions are made and what we can and can not know about it. I think Brent became aware that some presuppositions had to be dropped in order to make any progress.
It’s called genomic sequencing Helen. They have been able to construct essentially the entire history of all taxa
Leave it up to Matt to light another Theist up. Never fails.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919.............. Boring Delusional Daddy is back to provide us with evidence for his delusions and latent homosexuality. Always talking about sausage fests and never providing any evidence for anything he asserts about his god. His ignorance is encyclopedic. He knows so little yet knows it so well.
I don't know...is that good enough!
Brent, thank you for showing us how to follow logic without fear. 👍🏼
""I have very dirty and disturbing thoughts. Do you believe I can held my imaginary friend responsable ?""
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 You miss a comma or two somewhere. (I have a brain instead of a god)
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Actually, no. I made everything, including your and Trixie's brain.
I am also all-knowing, meaning that when I say "I'm not a god, just a creator of brains amongst other things," this is necessary true.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 *your God made your brain creature*
In that case you should ask for a refund. You got ripped off.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 yes, I have three God regardless creatures. I have now fed them but one of them is distracting me now so I must be going.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 No, I'm not a 😺
Brent is concerned that if everything in a secular universe is predetermined, including what we think, life is pointless. Well, shoot, Brent!
1. If the god of the bible exists as it is written there, then he predetermined the universe, and since he is unchanging, nothing can change. Blame God, then.
2. If god doesn't exist, then like Matt says, what is the problem with everything being predetermined? You can't change it, and you don't KNOW what is predetermined anyway, so play the game (life).
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 .
I don't have a God, anyone who thinks I do, I expect them to prove it.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 ..............Boring Delusional Daddy is back to provide us with evidence for his delusions and latent homosexuality. Always talking about sausage fests and never providing any evidence for anything he asserts about his god. His ignorance is encyclopedic. He knows so little yet knows it so well.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Please provide a definition of “God,“ and then tell us what “God” they have.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919
No, you're INTRODUCING god as a PREMISE. And that is irrational.
this was a golden response from Matt!!!
I really enjoyed this call. It gave me a lot to think about as a new atheist
I would like to thank God for making me an atheists. Who are we to question his wisdom?
How can a atheist make that statement.if u believe there's no God
@@anthonyspencer6475 Come on now! We know what the comment means and no way imply believe in a god or gods.
@@anthonyspencer6475 its called a joke, Anthony.... or did your "god" not give you the ability to decipher meaning through text?
@@facelessdrone jokes have a little truth two them.i would never joke there's no God
When someone asks me "Why don't you believe in God"? I ask them "Why don't you believe in Santa Clause"?.
"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool."
Voltaire
This is an ideal conversation, sounded like they were opening his mind and was actually seeking guidance
All meaning resides in the individual. Nothing has any meaning other than that - there is no "objective meaning."
Is this claim objectively true?
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Where, bubba?
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 I found my god creature at the pet store. So cuddly!
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 No, I sought out and found my cuddly God creature, and that's enough for me. I shall LOVE him and SQUEEZE him and call him George.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 ................Boring Delusional Daddy is back to provide us with evidence for his delusions and latent homosexuality. Always talking about sausage fests and never providing any evidence for anything he asserts about his god. His ignorance is encyclopedic. He knows so little yet knows it so well.
Reminds me of a quote from _Dune_ "The human requires a background grid through which to see his universe."
Dune was the book that taught me what religion is about.
Fantastic call.
I'm not even paying attention to the subject because I'm in awe at how clear this call is.
I wish questioners wold look at previous debates and not keep asking the same question that’s been answered.
Just because it’s old hat to you & me, doesn’t mean it’s not worthwhile. We often have to meet people where they’re at.
Brent is called into a show that opposes his worldview. Then seemingly had an honest discussion with hosts he MUST know are considerably more educated on the topic than he. That’s pretty impressive.
sounds like an "unsure" about god, but following out of worry due to others
The essence of religion. 👍
Most religions' claims would be met by immediate, total disbelief without the indoctrination process (including the normalization of ideas through socialization) . Few people go into religions of their own will - I think the numbers of faithful reflect this. If we were to stop indoctrinating children for a whole generation, I'd doubt many that haven't heard the story already would adopt the religions on offer.
Most of the believers are like this. I'd call them "passive" believers. My family, for instance, is easily in this cathegory.
Best call ever. Thanks Brent!
You can hear the little cracks in the damn growing. Beautiful.
How can you keep answering the same questions,week in and week out without going completely loopy, I very been watching a long time now and I am yet to hear a call in with anything new
Skeptics do not elect to believe anything . We are left no choice but to accept belief in what is evident . Of course , we are all fallible and might be fooled either by will or circumstance to believe something has been proven evident that truly is not . That is why a skeptic does himself a favor in questioning what beliefs he has .
Great conversation between thinking people
This sort of Socratic dialogue (pretty much) is genuine therapeutic philosophy. It's really trying to help his mind contemplate and work through life more than anything else.
Two things God/Jesus Christ hates most. Unbelief and Idolatry. Every person/soul/spirit will be judged one day. Believers will be judged for the work they have done while on earth and rewarded accordingly. Unbelievers unfortunately will be judged concerning their eternal destination, because they chose not to believe the gospel of Jesus Christ, they will spend eternity separated from God/Jesus Christ their Maker for all eternity in a place of torment. Day and night they will cry out for relief.
@@paulgemme6056 So by your view I'm given free will and then punished for not doing exactly as I'm supposed/ wanted to? Sounds tyrannical.
Why would there be "Day and Night" in a non corporeal realm? Why would there be "Pain"? It would have to be a sadistic addition specially made for those who didn't obey.
If we are conscious like we are now, eternity itself is torture. Regardless of eating sweets in clouds or playing volleyball with Jesus like these stories.
This is madness, how would the energy transfer of a "Soul" (interesting to still use ideas from Ancient Greece) work? We should be able to measure that.
And yet you still use this fanciful stuff to try and intimidate me? To threaten me into obeying you.
The question HAS to be, "why DO you believe in God". The truth is, that you didn't, until the indoctrination started.
All early humans believed in a God or Gods.
@@diegesis4939 how early did humans start believing in a God or gods?
@@amtlpaul since the earliest time.
@@diegesis4939 which is what time, and what is your evidence for that?
@@amtlpaulcave drawings and much more. look it up.
Does anyone know why Brent’s voice was crystal clear, when most callers sound like the are speaking into a down pillow underwater?
I like to think it's because God wanted us to hear as clearly as possible that belief in him doesn't hold-up under questioning. Good acoustics were required.
Better Internet connection, caller using an actual mic rather than his phone or his laptop's built in mic, etc.
In the old days they use to get real calls (Phone number), now days they have internet calls, so people use the Mic on the laptop or wifi call and don't know why but is not that good.
A great and thoughtful discussion on whether we have free will or not ( if our reality is predetermined) and what kind of role would a God have in all this and how could you prove it anyway. Hard for me to articulate these concepts. Caller sounds like an Agnostic to me. Let me know when you find provable proof . Great segment!
What a civilized conversation , loved that
I HOPE THEIR MATCHING SHIRTS WERE PLANNED! (:
Issa MIRACLE!
I never found any of this difficult … I simply asked myself what made the most sense
How about you elaborate? Do you actually think that a moist rock (or some other atheist cause) has the INTELLIGENCE, POWER, PURPOSE, RESOURCES & MEANS to create/design/produce the human being, 10 million DIFFERENT species & ALL the co-existent DESIGNED bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in the human body and THESE SAME DESIGNS seen in MILLIONS of other animals?
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It’s not often I get to say this but “I’ve got a much better foundational understanding of the evolutionary processes than you do”
@@borthwrenblanston6632 "10 million DIFFERENT species"
Are you saying that Noah crammed 20 million creatures into his ark? Wow!
@@holgerlubotzki3469 Critical thinking isn't Neppy's strong suit when it comes to religion.
@@borthwrenblanston6632 Nothing what you say matters until you prove whatever ridiculous god you're claiming.
Poor Brent,he's confused as all hell. Matt,I didn't know you had so much patience and compassion. Well done,Matt!
Their infinite patience with this guy is astounding
Good for Brent having the courage to ask his questions. Very few decide to become religious. Most of us were indoctrinated into a belief system as a child. That was our basis. And all organized religion has a vested monetary interest in justifying and not questioning, thus these beliefs have persisted. Fortunately the combination of critical thinking, facts, and the internet is an antidote.
These poor people, there mind is on an elastic string that springs shut as soon as they are shown logic.
There was a little glitch on this too, where Matt tried to work through some logic and eventually decided that it wasn't going to be understood.
Many of us are practiced at these basic methods of reasoning, but the caller evidently couldn't follow. It was along the lines of "We haven't established that A and B are mutually exclusive. So proving that A is false doesn't automatically make B true."
refreshing to have a caller answer the hypotheticals directly and honestly and not trying weasel out afraid of engaging the argument he called in to have.
Thanks Brent! :)
Brent, are you still around? Call back, let us know how you are going!
How many times does he have to answer these same questions?
@Michael Pondo Argument from adverse consequences? Really?
The existence of free will is something even atheists struggle with. I thought at first the caller was a bit challenged but as the call went on I realized he is a deeper thinker than most.
Whether or not we have free will in some esoteric sense (i.e. whether we control what information we receive or how we process it), we have the perfect illusion of free will: We must still make decisions based on the information we have and deal with the consequences of our actions.
@Magical Chemical Daddy You have any evidence, or you just like running around in comments sections asserting things you can't prove?
Spoilers: it’s the latter.
Its just attention seeking. He never got past being 7 years old.
Back when young theists would call the show without some presup garbage script, trying honestly to have a conversation.
And evidence that destroys haters of Matt image that Matt can never be justified in being jerk.
never seen Matt be so calm before
Perhaps because the caller was so honest, on-topic, and didn’t interrupt. He was a young person seeking earnest discussion. No reason to blow up on them.
5:00 Woops! Here we see it again: A person who has difficulty thinking, also has difficulty expressing their fractured thinking with words: A sure sign that someone is thinking straight, is the ability to talk straight!
Yeah, the brain stopped working in there when reality and logic started to touch it. Oh man.
The time to believe in something is when there is sufficient evidence supporting it.
The more extraordinary the claim, the more stringent the evidence required.
Without evidence, belief is not warranted.
Theists claim a god exists, and yet whenever I ask theists for scientific evidence supporting the existence of a god, they never offer any for consideration. Makes me wonder why they don't?
The time to believe in something is when there is sufficient evidence supporting it.- So its not time to believe atheism
@@walnutoil100 you get no further answers or evidence from me until you can act like an honest interlocutor and answer my questions.
Go back to the posts where you've been ignoring my questions after I've answered yours and answer my questions.
@@williamtarry4405 - so its still not time to believe atheism
@@walnutoil100 It is not time to believe the straw man of atheism that you usually peddle, no.
@@walnutoil100 again for the reading impaired, you get no further answers or evidence from me until you can begin acting like an honest interlocutor and answer my questions.
Go back to the posts where you've been ignoring my questions after I've answered yours and answer my questions.
@18:12 "Logical input...does...not...compute!...commence shut down!!!"
This is pretty much what made me start to walk away from religion: how does free will work in a universe where an all powerful, all knowing being created everything.
If I as a designer am expecting a particular result from my design, and the design works in accordance to my knowledge, I was cosnciously and willfully responsible for what happened. If it doesn't happen according to my expectations, then I made a mistake either with the design or my analysis of it.
Matt's perfect logic is just simply beyond the grasp of the broken minds of theists
Before I watch this, I'll predict no one will define the word god.
Well well, "a higher power" (nuclear fusion?) and/or a supreme being (Beyoncé? Kimi Raikonen?).
At least there was an attempt. Well done.
Ex theists are still arguing about their beliefs.
Belief is not reality.
Reality isn't contingent on belief.
Good call on kimi 👏
Here's the definition of god. "God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance that's getting smaller and smaller and smaller as time moves on." -Neil DeGrasse Tyson.
@@davidn.211 god is an idea to explain reality. But in reality, reality explains itself. I tell theists that my god is reality. If their god is outside reality its not real, and if it's in reality, its a subset of my god, so my god, reality, wins. lol
@@supertouring22 he is great
I had an ad for a Christian revival, in a town near by, before this video. Haha!
WHY would it be nice to think we're not predetermined??
There are really only three possibilities:
● Everything is predetermined to a minute detail.
● Everything is pure randomness.
● Some combination.
That's it. Nothing else is even possible. Not even if souls were real. Because the same exact thing would apply to souls. They're either predetermined, random, or some combination.
Now, it's obvious that we're not pure randomness, because we can predict a lot of things.
SOME amount of randomness may be a part of our universe, and ourselves. But everything we value about ourselves, everything that makes sense, every skill we have, everything that works, is due to "the predetermined".
It's dumb to lament the very thing you're made of.
Why can't Matt be like this anymore? Just calm, collected and respectful. No cursing. The show really declined into a "roast trolls" thing. Absolutely horrendous. Losing patience just bc he's been doing it for so long is no excuse. If he can't deal with them anymore he should retire and guide from the background. I want respectful conversations like the one shown. I can't stand the new episodes they make me angry every time.
Totally agree, it’s hard to watch him now. Such a shame because his arguments are excellent.
because years of dishonest callers plus today less honest callers to point rarity will make you grumpy for reason and as viewer you cant complain as he his dedicated intelectual who happens lost patience justifibly.
@@klemenhudobreznik3421 you're right, 15 years of the same arguments and endless dishonest theists would lead anyone to anger, but still, he isn't effective anymore because the balance of anger to accurate argument is swayed and he's embarrassing now. He needs to step aside in my opinion, for his own good. It's not good viewing, not like it used to be.
@@norswil8763 not his fault when again i seen less honestb callers no matter the age today. From all calls ever he talk to rare were unjustified to be jerk, one of them is mans right one.
@@klemenhudobreznik3421 It his bis fault because he owns his own body and mind so he is in charge of how he wants to react. He chooses to let his emotions take over. So it's his fault. Furthermore, they can screen the calls. They don't have to take the bat shit crazy callers. You do realize that they do that on purpose? They choose the craziest people on purpose because the community loves when Matt tells them off. But how does that help throats who want to understand their belief system and possibly convert to becoming unaffiliated?
The best evidence for god existence is existence of dogs. What kind of miraculous and unnatural creature dog is. Only some kind of god could manifest a creature like dog. And you can trust a dog, mostly, until it chews your furniture.
Well humans made human selection of dogs according to human preferences, so dogs are only evidence of evolution.
Yeah... the modern canine is the *best* physical evidence for evolution.
@John Wood DOGMAN
Every dog in the world is descended from wolves through selective breeding by humans without any deities involves. Fuck all the gods. They aren't necessary.
The bible does not say good things about dogs, the holy book disagrees with you. Also dogs were domesticated from wolves.
That was a really good call.
Brilliant